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said that racism was a bigger problem than terrorism too. What a schmuck.

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

Same clenched jaw, same pointing finger, same wide-eyed incredulity.

Same as when he stood behind that podium and said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman..." Go look at that video again, and compare the Bill Clinton denying his affair with Monica to the video of Bill Clinton denying that he sat on his, um, hands instead of nabbing Bin Laden.

That's what my poker-playing friends call a "tell."

"Every time some nitwit college student burns a flag on camera, that's one less idiot who can ever run for public office." - Crank

as you obviously are incapable of recognizing truth if if bit you in the butt, why would anyone want to?

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n February 15, 2001 the Hart Rudman report yadd yadda

Any specific elements in the report? Time? Location? Means? No, of course not. As we had been attacked about every 18 months during the Clinton regime there was no insight necessary to come to their conclusion.

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On August 6th, 2001 CIA Director Tenet delivered a report to President Bush entitled, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”. yadda yadda

Again, what was new here. Even the feckless 9/11 Commission acknowledges the report itself was a retrospective not a prediction. What is noticeably absent from the report are mentions of a time, location, means, etc. In short, there was nothing in the report to act on.

Also the 9/11 Commission report demonstrates that the hijackers themselves didn't set the date for the 9/11 attack until the third week of August.

If you want to know the real warnings available to the administration read this, it is more than a couple of lines so I hope your lips don't get tired before you finish.

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Cheney was the head of the anti-terrorism task force yet held only one meeting during those eight months, even though Richard Clarke had been pleading for a meeting the entire time. yadda yadda

How many meetings did Clarke have under Clinton? Maybe Cheney picked up on the fact that meetings with Richard Clarke didn't produce results.

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When are you people going to admit that Bush’s war on terrorism is a complete catastrophe?

Well is hasn't been. Since 9/11 there have been 0 terrorist attacks in the US. There have been no successful attacks on US facilities overseas. Lots of bad guys are dead. Lots more are enjoying a Caribbean vaction. The rest are looking over their shoulder. What did Clinton do? Don't bother answering that was a rhetorical question.

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Don’t forget, at least Clinton tried to get Bin Laden, yet he was criticized for doing so by the very republicans who criticize him today for doing nothing.

I missed the part where he did anything. I remember a pharmaceutical plan being hit by US missiles and killing a night watchman. I remember an ineffectual missile strike against a sand heap in Afghanistan. Is that what you are referring to?

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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

You seem to be a knowledgeable guy, so can you tell me, is this list all lies? I honestly want to know.

I'd have to say that you are asking a rhetorical question.

I was actually hoping you'd be able to respond to the points listed. Sorry if the URL puts you off.

How about this article? It seems reasonably balanced. Certainly not a glowing review of Clinton's anti-terrorism record, but a fair assessment, with both the good and bad. It seems pretty clear, though, that the Clinton administration was putting out a decent effort.

Mogadishu
Bombing SANG/OPM
Bombing Khobar Towers
Bombing Embassy in Nairobi
Bombing Embassy in Dar es Salaam
Bombing USS Cole

It's really up to you to decide if the rest of that noxious and undocumented list was real or eyewash. Having lived through that decade I have no doubts as to the answer. As another poster points out, the list gives credit to the Clinton administration in instances, like the Millenium bomb plot, when the plot was uncovered by sheer accident.

It's striking that there are no links on the web site you offer to back up the assertions made.

For example, it says : Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.

The facts:The attack was stopped, but it had nothing to do with Bill Clinton.

It was for his suspicious timing. Clinton grew a sudden and short-lived interest in terrorism right around key "Monica Moments." THe day after his "I had an inappropriate relationship" speech, cruise missiles suddenly began flying around the middle east. Then, nothing. Until impeachment, when Clinton got a strange new hankering for doing something about Saddam, bombing him and building up troops along the border, until the House announced it would have an impeachment vote anyway. Then the troops stepped back from the border. Clinton's concern for Saddam then cooled off for the remainder of his presidency. But despite that, the left chants "Bush lied, people died." Why short memories leftist, with the help of the news media, have.

" yet he was criticized for doing so by the very republicans who criticize him today for doing nothing."

This is almost exactly what Clinton himself said in this interview. Doesn't appear to be true - I've compiled a bunch of quotes - unedited, with no screening - here.

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Capital University website
Center for Competitive Politics website

You seem to conveniently overlook the election of 2000. You forget to mention that democrats refused to accept the election as legitimate. Not surprisingly, when President Bush assumed office every single department head, and any of any authority was a Democrat party loyalist.

The new president was too busy fighting off challenges to his authority for him to get anything done. he had to reshape the entire governement. It took Clinton two years to get the wheels turning after he took office. The congress and senate were too embroiled in partisan guerilla warfare to have protected us.

Clinton's legacy of undermining American security extended far beyond the defeat of Al Gore, it extended to a virtual insurection when things didn't go his way. Look at how vile he becomes over a movie that is unflattering. Unflattering by the way to a lot of people, democrat and republican alike.

Clinton and Gore continued to use every effort to undermine the ability of the American government to function effectively until their clock stopped on September 10, 2001. William Jefferson Clinton is dangerous, always has been. He is a daring, dynamic leader of the same southern mold as that other Jefferson. Davis.

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You think you know it all uh? Well did you know the Clinton administration didn't give the incoming Bush administration any information on inelegance they knew and had collected on BinLaden and terrorism? All they did was ruin the offices and left the Whitehouse a mess. They purposely told them nothing out of spite because they thought they stole the election. That is why when the 9/11 hearings were going on that one Clinton official(can't remember his name, but he was charged) stole (put in his socks)and destroyed documents to erase information they had that they didn't inform Bush.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Did you know that an average of three people per year are killed by misuse of Q-tips?

I wonder how long this guy has left.

1. We don't blame Clinton for what Al qaida did. We blame al qaida and we highlight the lessons to be learned from the course of action and inaction prior thereto. What matters is preventing attacks and defesating an enemy of AMERICA, not Bush or Clinton. To win we must learn lessons from the past. We can't be so invested in any man.

2. Bush, like all Presidents, inherits a policy that his predecessor established to the world as American policy. It would have been difficult for Bush, to say, re-invade Somalia, or invade Afganistan on day on citing past attacks that Clinton did not respond to on the same info.

3. Bush did tell Condi he wanted to stop swatting at fliesand orderd a plan for regime change in Afghanistan. that shows a level of understnding light years ahead of clinton.

4. Clinton , even after 911!!!, still doesnt get it.

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I mean look at this.

Start with an ad hominem attack. A fair amount of which is incomprehensible.

Move on with allusions to stuttering ? Followed with a straw man argument mischaracterizing the prior posts finsih with a non sequitur. Bush is president not a superhero. He doesnt actually go out and catch terrorists.

Next build up to misconstruing the actual job of the presidency as something nefarious. Heres a heads up, the U.S. has had a very long deep and good relationship with the house of Saud. It has gone through both republican and democrat administrations and they have their own problems with islamic extremists. Oh and yes most people much prefer a sitting pursuing diplomatic relations with foreign heads of state to expresidents making paid speaches to the same to undermine the country.

Back to misconstrue to create a strawman. Nobody blames everything on clinton most are just upset about his getting a pass from the media. I guess thats a little to nuanced for you.

And a finish with the boogeyman karl rove and an unsupported conspiracy theory. One of these days I want someone on the left to explain how changing a warning no one notices was supposed to affect an election.

I give your troll a D-. No subtlety and little better than name calling. I suggest you give Hugo a call and you both scream at passing pedestrians in central park.

Review them, and tell me that they were on the ball on the foriegn policy front. Les Aspin? Rwanda?

Stop it. Just stop. You have every right to hate Bush if you like, but your "analysis" of foriegn policy in this thread is pathetic. Clinton didn't do more about Bin Laden because the polls told him not to. This truth is well documented. And maybe he was right. The US of the 90's would not have stomached the assassination of a foriegn hero, and the anti-American riots in the arab streets that would have ensued. People simply weren't in the mood for such foriegn adventures.

A great historical analysis of Clinton as a "man of action" was something that he did, that many here will tell you was wrong, but that I think was right: Bombing Kosovo. Between the time that Clinton decided to intervene and the time his pollsters gave him the lowdown on the political upside/downside -- three more towns were "cleansed" -- with over 200,000 killed. Let that number ruminate next time you and the rest of the Kossacks blame Bush for "murdering 100,000 innocent Iraqis". For clarity, 100,000 die freeing 26 million from a man who murdered more than 1 million during his reign vs. 200,000 die waiting for Dick Morris to run the numbers.

And I liked Clinton as a president overall. In many ways he was the right man for the times. But Clinton was always a politician first and a leader second. And he's lying now. No matter how he may have felt about Bin Laden, he let the political constraints of his times make him hesitant to act. He simply cannot and will not admit this.

It's amazing how a man who threw so many helpless women and children off of badly needed governement aid ("welfare reform"), only to spend that money killing innocent civilians in a fight that had no bearing on the national security of the United States (Kosovo), gets so much of a pass from progressives and pacifists.

I guess the "D" is all that matters, right?

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My number one complain with President Clinton during his rein as president was his inability to lead.

For clarity, 100,000 die freeing 26 million from a man who murdered more than 1 million during his reign vs. 200,000 die waiting for Dick Morris to run the numbers.

President Bush is a president who is willing to buck public opinion and make his decisions on what he believes is right rather than what the polls say is popular!

Presidient Clinton can bluster all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that GOP criticism against his actions against terrorism during his administration was not based on opposition to action, but merely doubt cast as to the timing!

Had the good president shown an ongoing interest in combating terrorism...even during those intervals when he was not under attack for lying under oath, or engaging in scandals (Whitewater, travel-gate, file-gate, etc) then critics might have been less suspicious of those actions he did choose to take!

AND of course, it would have helped had he not hesitated before every decision in his entire administration until the "focus group" and poll numbers came back!

Governing by poll numbers is NOT leadership!

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Are you t-t-tying to be f-f-funny, or are you just s-s-stup-st-s-stupid.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

You must be the same guy who kept doing all the annoying phhts. Why don't you just save us the trouble and ban yourself. Your writing style is distinctive and annoying.

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our friend libber was demonstrating stream-of-consciousness typing and was accurately putting his short-circuited thoughts to keyboard.

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Oh, I was thinking of that little incident in September of 2001. But as we've learned since then, dealing with bin Laden isn't a top priority and, like the president, we're not supposed to think about it much.

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