White House wants to work war out with Congressional Democrats
considering compromise with blockheads
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The Bushies are tired of fighting, the Los Angeles Times reports. It's time to compromise with Okinawa Jack Murtha, Nancy, Harry, Rahm, Chuckie, and famed Nazi hunter Dick Durbin.
With public support of the war dropping, President Bush has authorized an internal policy review to find a plan that could satisfy opponents without sacrificing his top goals, the officials said.
The president and senior officials "realize they can't keep fighting this over and over," said one administration official, who along with others declined to be identified because they weren't authorized to speak publicly or because decisions were pending.
There are no formal negotiations between the WH and the Congressional miscreants, but the SecDef Gates and UN Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad evidently think that CFR emeritus Leslie Gelb's idea ought to bring about some sort of agreement. As you can see from the date on the NYT piece linked, Gelb has been pushing partition since 2003. Joe Biden has signed on more recently, for his Presidential campaign, and the idea is now called Biden-Gelb. (Gelb and Biden co-wrote an NYT op/ed on partitions in 2006, so the deceit is complete.)
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Does the White House think the Dem leadership will accept any "compromise" on Iraq short of surrender and humiliation, something for which they can take the blame of Bush and the Republicans to the political bank. Then again, with polls showing that the Democratic Congress is almost universally reviled, they may be willing to take a political gamble in an effort to save a little face. (No, not self-respect. They jettisoned that long before they assumed control of Congress.)
Despite their political vindictiveness, the LAT reports, an anonymous Senate Democratic aide tells them that Senate Dems "would have a hard time turning down a proposal that offers a real way out." Is the partition plan that "real way out," or is it a setup for further violence?
The White House has to remember that the Congressional Democratic leaders are looking at the war not as a war, but as a political game. No matter who wins or loses the war, no matter what happens, the Democrats must win politically. That is the only thing which will satisfy them, and the only way to achieve that would be to find some one of achieving the White House's goal of victory in Iraq while, to mollify the Dems, turning it into a political defeat for themselves. The White House wants us to win the war. This is okay with the Democratic leadership if they win politically. If they try the partition game and it works, the Democrats could claim credit for the notion. But that is mainly Democrat Joe Biden, and I can't imagine Hillary, Obama, or Dodd allowing that. (Sam Brownback's support of the partition plan will be discounted as meaningless by the media, though it could have some affect on his Presidential aspirations.)
The wild card here, as always, is the Iraqi government. If they take control of their country and do so in a positive manner, the United States could win the war and the Democrats could save face anyway.
Of course, Ron Wyden wants to invade Afghanistan, but that's another story for another time.
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Dems oppose, it's our claiming victory.
During the Vietnam war an otherwise obscure Republican backbencher named Sen George Aiken suggested that the solution was "Declare victory and get out."
Today's Democrats have a different version regarding the Iraq war: "Admit defeat and stay."
GWB will not stand and fight on issues that matter to American security and sovereignty. Only on issues important to Mexico and Teddy the Hutt.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Too few Americans, including those in the Congress and the current administration understand;
"The vast and necessary resources expended for security by the counterinsurgent always dwarf those of their opponents, and successful COIN often requires a very high force ratio. That is a major reason why protracted wars are hard for a counterinsurgent to sustain. The scale and complexity of COIN should never be underestimated. The effort requires a firm political will and extreme patience on the part of the govern-
ment, its people, and countries providing support. The widespread security requirements also limit flexibility, again ceding initiative to the insurgents."
Excerpt from "Army FM3-24 on counterinsurgency", authored by Lt Gen David Petraeus, USA, and Lt Gen Lames Mattis, USMC.
"The only way to negotiate with your enemy, is with your knee on his chest and your knife at his throat." - Anon.
I guess you and I won't be seen as Black Helicopter types on this point now. The deal was struck the first week of November 2006.
This sickens me beyond words except to reiterate what I said the day Rumsfeld was canned: either fight to win or come home now. This is much more important that egos and legacy and really cool deals to help the folks in our well-lighted shadows.
Sorry to say. The only spot where you might be wrong is the timing. It looks like this will happen much faster than september.
I may just vote bloomberg in protest.
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I may just vote bloomberg in protest.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
That's when the war got fully rolled into the "uniter-not-a-divider", "new tone" strategy of appeasing Democrats.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
the only thing wrong with sacking Rumsfeld and his failed policy was that it was at least a year too late.
Look at the progress that has occurred since the policy changed.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
I have to arrest myself from the very human response of "Oh, no, they are abandoning us... again." If this is true, it would be a vindication of an main tactic of the Left.
That is to whine, attack, moan, etc. until the opposition gives in. People only have so much stamina, and the Left tends to have more vocal supporters especially in the media (I did not say more supporters), so the 'R's tend to back down before the Left gives up.
Sadly, I read something the other day in a similar vein about Guantanamo Bay. Now, granted, it was on CNN.com, so you have to take it from that point of view, but there was a quote by an official The administration is not 'nearing a decision' on changing our long-held policy to shut down Gitmo in a responsible way.
I was thinking. What?! I haven't heard anything about caving on Gitmo.
However, everything that happens on some issues is not bad, and we should not immediately assume that it is bad until we hear the details. I'm not saying, don't take action and contact representatives to fight for the War on Terror in Iraq, just don't assume the worst without more evidence. President Bush has a history of reviewing
issues in a conciliatory gesture. Up through now, if there is anything that he has stood strong on it is the War on Terror.
Peter R - Praetorium.org
Marines are serving two and three tours in Iraq and Bush is tired?
I am beginning to regret every ounce of energy I have ever spent defending Republicans, and Bush in particular.
Maybe he should ask his old man about how that "no new taxes" thing got played by the Dems.
I was always under the impression that Bush was adamantly opposed to the partition idea. I could be wrong, but I don't see him caving that far. If anything, I can see him offering tougher benchmarks or some such thing - which I don't necessarily have a problem with so long as it doesn't hamstring our commanders.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
The Turkish government is adamantly opposed to anything that recognizes Kurdish autonomy; they're afraid that thier own Kurdish minority will attempt to seccede, and they're already claiming that Kurish separatists groups are staging attacks into Turkey from bases in Iraq.
It's my understanding that Turkey was the primary reason Bush41 didn't do more to support the '91 uprising against Saddam. I've also heard rumors that Turkish fighters sent to provide air cover for American airdrops doubled back to straf Kurdish refugees on the ground. Has anyone else heard that?
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
Bush should just continue to play chicken with the Democratic Congress until his term expires. It's a win-win for Bush and the Republicans. The Democrats won't have the guts to cut off our troops, they know it would be a political disaster for them to end Iraq this way, it would alienate moderate and independent voters. Consequently, this will only further irritate the far left, anti-war movement who could take their votes to the Green Party or sit out an election to teach the Democrats a lesson.
If the Democrats are able to defund the war, and America leaves and a humanitarian disaster ensues, the Republicans can leave that on the Democrat's doorstep. Troops that aren't given supplies like body armor and food, and an immediate evacuation of our forces will haunt the Democratic Party for a generation. They will never be trusted on National Security ever again.
Bush needs to take the gloves off and focus on wrapping up Iraq. That should be his only goal while he is still in office. His presidency, legacy, and unfortunately the Republican party's future is riding on Iraq. He needs to do whatever it takes to crush this insurgency and get out. He has taken too long in fighting this war, and was a fool to think the American people would have infinite patience in fighting a pre-emptive war like this.
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Iraq will be Bush's legacy. He needs to spend less energy pushing this immigration fiasco on everyone and concentrate all efforts on victory in Iraq. That should be the goal of the remainder of his term.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
when he is expecting multiple tours from my son's Marines. Posting rules prohibit me from an appropriate comment.
We have forty families in our Battalion (2nd Btn/4th Marines) who have had their son come home early for burial. And the WH is "tired" of fighting. Hell, thanks to NewTone™ they haven't lifted a finger to fight the Democrats yet.
This will permanently ensconce GWB's legacy right up there (or down there) with Jimmy Carter. There is no appropriate word or phrase in the English language to express my anger.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
"If the Democrats are able to defund the war, and America leaves and a humanitarian disaster ensues, the Republicans can leave that on the Democrat's doorstep."
Are you SERIOUS? That's the most ridiculous idea I've read in quite some time! I don't want our leadership to figure out a way to saddle the left with the issue, I want our leadership to fix the problems! As much as I would detest a Clinton or Obama presidency, I'm afraid that's what we're stuck with if the party is left defending charges of incompetency.
If President Bush's plan doesn't work by September, then I'd like to see what he comes up with next. But I truly think the President will show leadership and plot an exit strategy if this surge doesn't work. I have a serious hard time believing the President would leave his party in a bad situation.
Otherwise, get ready to stand in line for toilet paper....Czar Clinton could be in charge
would still be suffering from the effects of the humanitarian disaster that ensued when they bailed out on Vietnam.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Vietnam was the main reason why Republicans had such a lock on the White House for a generation after Vietnam, with only the brief Presidency of Jimmy Carter because of Watergate. Only after the Cold War ended did the U.S. elect a Democrat, and only by a plurality.
When you look at polls post-Vietnam, Republicans have owned the issue of national security. Before Vietnam, the Democrats were also known as tough on national security, with figures like Truman and Kennedy.
The point I'm trying to make is the President can't let the Democrats hobble the war effort his remaining term by appeasing Murtha and Pelosi. You either win this war or leave.
If the Democrats aren't going to let Bush fight the Iraq War, I would rather it be perfectly clear to the American people why we left without finishing. Let them do the dirty work of defunding our troops, rather than Bush.
I don't want this to happen, I care more about victory in Iraq than I do the Republican Party's short term future. But our victory in Iraq has more to do with politicians in Washington than the battlefield in Iraq.
Bush needs to play hardball with the Democrats and call them on their bluff.
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Except when it comes to immigration.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Bush seems to only want to play hardball on the issues that make Conservatives the most angry.
If only Bush put half as much energy and arm twisting in Iraq as he has his immigration amnesty, we would have already won.
"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "
William F. Buckley, Jr.
"I have a serious hard time believing the President would leave his party in a bad situation."
Too late, I'm afraid.
Then President Bush has doomed the party for 2008, and if enough of the left gets elected, they will control both legislative and executive branches with even more of their cradle-to-grave agenda and we'll all be broke!
I wish Ron Paul had a serious shot at winning.....because from where I'm sitting....things look pretty bleak!
This advice is dead on.
When did the White House START fighting?
Did I miss it?
then shame and fie on them.
If this report is accurate, explain to me why this WH CANNOT fight the Dems for the rest of its term? All eighteen months of it?
I have to think there's more to this story. Perhaps the WH fears that our military simply cannot sustain this fight much longer. Perhaps our Army and Marine Corps are showing so much strain that we'll have to draw our forces down sooner rather than later.
I am waiting for a very good WH explanation of this.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
I am waiting for a very good WH explanation of this.
I don't give much credence to the LAT and would prefer waiting for named officials who can give real, attributable quotes.
This is why I didn't offer much editorial comment when offering the LAT piece, except for a mild observation about the futility of attempting such a compromise and the fact that the bottom line is what the Iraqis do.
We're not going to cut and run.
We're not going to cut and run.
We won't be leaving Iraq anytime soon.
Can anyone here refer me to a position paper by Senator Brownback where I can read more of his partition plan?
Brownback has won my admiration on a number of issues so I am inclined to listen to him.
When it comes to foreign policy, Sen. Brownbeck falls into the error of believing the rest of the world thinks the way we do. Or at least that's the only interpretation that makes sense to me with regards to his bewildering foreign policy actions.
Then GWB is not the man a lot of us thought he was.
I doubt the stary, frankly.
I think GWB, with all of his warts, is a better man than this.
He has beaten the dhimies well and hard.
To give in now would be folly that will cost all of us greatly.
For an administration that's already alienated a large segment of its supporters on immigration, it risks doing even more damage by changing gears to appease Democrats with its Iraq policy. Let's hope the White House doesn't leave its most loyal supporters hanging out to dry.
in East/West Germany and North/South Korea. No suffering, just liberal blis for all..
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
I count the partition advocates in the same camp as the "cut off the funding and pull out now!!11!11!" crew. It looks more reasonable at first glance, but the end result will be exactly the same.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
... that being the LA Times - aka Pravda on the Left Coast - there's probably reason to be skeptical.
That said, I have to admit I fall in the same camp as my good friend becker.
Bush 43 is starting to look more and more like his old man every day. And no, that's not meant to be a compliment.
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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?
George Bush made the error of his presidency in attacking Iraq. We won the war in the first couple of months if one uses any sensible definition of victory. We had all of Iraq under our control. We could have enslaved or killed their population and taken their resources to our own use.
I am not suggesting that we should ever do that. Rather, I am suggesting that the war was won militarily a long time ago. Bush--if we are to believe his public statements--naively thought that the Iraq population would transform and be friendly to our occupation. This was stupendously stupid and ignorant. It has wasted too many lives of our boys and girls. It has depleted the strength of our military. It has wasted our hard earned treasure. For what?
Bush's war has no goal that I can see. Bush's war has made a mess out of Iraq, and Bush has made our country and the world a more dangerous place for Americans. We need a president who has some modicum of vision and competency. With Bush we do not have that.
Now that Bush has placed America in this terrible predicament we need to decide what is the best course of action. Blindly getting behind your party or your president is not good for America. Suggestions that the blame for this disaster can be good for Republicans (by politically manuevering the Dems into looking bad when we do end up having to withdraw) is putting a short sighted political agenda above the America.
Americans know that Bush has created a catastrophe in Iraq. It is time that we all admit that. Now is the time to figure out what is best to do for America.
don't think i could have said it better myself.
Granted, the Dems are primarily interested in political gain rather than the best interest of the nation. The same could be said about most politicians of either party. My only hope is that the folks in D.C. do the right thing for the wrong reasons.
Unfortunately, any "compromise" (if one is reached) will likely be driven largely by politics -- and the political CALENDAR (re: 2008 elections), and I was appalled by reports a few weeks ago that Republican Senators (and/or Congressmen) emphasized to Bush the need to change policy at some point if it threatens Republicans in the 2008 elections.
The Dems say we should leave without considering the consequences, and some fabricate the convenient notion that a plan to leave by a date certain would actually be more conducive to political reconciliation and other progress by Iraqis, which is absurd for reasons I explain in my link below, but which is also expressed eloquently in today's Washington Post by Pete Hegseth, a first lieutenant in the Army National Guard who served in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division from September 2005 to July 2006, participating in combat operations and political reconciliation efforts. Writes Hegseth:
"Most recently I was bothered by statements from Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who cited three common antiwar arguments in his June 21 op-ed, " Lincoln's Example for Iraq," all of which run counter to realities on the ground in Iraq."
"[Levin says] A deadline for withdrawal is an incentive for Iraqi political compromise. Levin thinks we ought to pressure Iraq's government with a warning tantamount to saying: "You better fix the situation before we leave and your country descends into chaos." He should consider the more likely result: an American exit date crushing any incentive for Iraqi leaders to cooperate and instead prompting rival factions to position themselves to capitalize on the looming power void."
"My experience in Iraq bore this out. Only after my unit established a meaningful relationship with the president of the Samarra city council -- built on tangible security improvements and a commitment to cooperation -- did political progress occur. Our relationship fostered unforeseen political opportunities and encouraged leaders, even ones from rival tribes, to side with American and Iraqi forces against local insurgents and foreign fighters."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/24/AR200706...
Bush and the Republicans, on the other hand, want to continue an unconditional full commitment without forcing the Iraqis (mainly the Shiites) to make progress toward the political reconciliation that everyone agrees is necessary if we are to prevent -- rather than just delay -- a full-scale civil war and all the accompanying consequences. The Shiites are showing very little interest in making the necessary compromises thus far. If their obstinance continues, there are only two possibilities: (1) Maintain our presence and role there indifinately at current or increased force levels (not politically feasible, even if it were desirable), or (2) Continue there only to eventually leave without mitigating the ultimate disaster, and after many more casualties.
As I wrote back in April (see link), the most sensible solution is to pledge continued full commitment if the Iraqis start and continue to make progress toward reconciliation benchmarks, but to make such full commitment contingent upon such progress, making it clear that without such progress, we will pursue narrower goals of combating al Qaeda and deterring regional war, but not policing and controlling civil war per se. Our primary source of leverage with Iraqi leaders is that we are keeping a lid on the civil war. We should use that leverage to force a change that is (a) necessary to achieve our goals and (b) apparently not forthcoming without using that leverage by threatening to reduce our role. I also believe that the federalist "soft partition" advocated by Gelb appears to be the best of bad options despite its drawbacks. Please see my post at link below for elaboration of all of the above. http://www.redstate.com/blogs/brooksrob/2007/apr/29/iraq_strategy_a_sens...
That works for Bush, that is what Bush does when confronting the Democrats ... either that or goes to his goto guy Kennedy for help, as in no child left behind and AMNESTY. I guess he thinks it endears him to the Democrats. It's worked so far, right?
New tone, more like tone deaf. Where is the news here?
This war should have been fought with overwhelming non-politically-correct force, not like a bunch of sissies tiptoeing through the tulips. We used to think Bush was tough, but he's only tough on working, taxpaying Americans whose purpose in life is to finance the excesses of government and to provide the great things of life to the Mexican invaders.
Bush is SCAT!
so because ONE news article proclaims what the President is going to do based on secret sources- some of you are regretting voting for him?!!
Are you too dense to realize that the liberal media actually WANTS the GOP to splinter over this- and you pavlovians do exactly that. How about you use rationality rather than emotion for a change?
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We have gone from a merely brittle administration, to one that has completely caved like a sink hole in florida.
The benefit of the doubt is gone.
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and out comes the "New Tone" again. UGH.
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