Triple-Murder in PA vs. Border Control?
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Miguell A. Padilla, 25, was in this country illegally. Living comfortably, selling drugs for years, in this country without so much as note from his mother.
In the Sunday AM touching Saturday night, Miguell A. Padilla, 25, tried to get into the members-only drinking establishment called the UVA Club in Altoona, PA. The UVA Club is in an old building surrounding by old buildings, across the street from a few newer retail places with parking lots, right next to a low-clearance railroad bridge under which trucks sometimes get stuck. Miguell A. Padilla, 25, was not a member of the UVA Club and thus was not allowed to enter.
Miguell A. Padilla, 25, returned to his Jag, retrieved a gun, and shot and killed the club's bouncer, 58-year-old Fred Rickabaugh and the club owner, 61-year-old Al Mignogna. Also shot, also killed, was 28-year-old prison guard Steve Heiss. He had pushed his date to safety in time for his blast.
Miguell A. Padilla, 25, phoned 9-11; Blair County District Attorney Dave Gorman revealed that Miguell A. Padilla, 25, told the operator that he had been experiencing blackouts but believed he might have hurt someone. Miguell A. Padilla, 25, is being represented by Blair County Attorney Tom Dicky, a man who has made a career of defending such cases. (Somebody has to do it.)
The Jag in Padilla's name had been impounded by the Feds last January when it was involved in transporting drugs. Padilla himself was not arrested, according to radio station WRTA in Altoona, because "he was only believed to be the owner of the vehicle being used to transfer those drugs." He got the vehicle back easily from the Feds.
25-year-old Miguel Padilla, am Illegal Immigrant living in Gallitzin, was arraigned in front of Magisterial District Judge Kenneth Garmen on three counts of criminal homicide following the shooting.
Meanwhile a make-shift memorial was set up at the entrance of the UVA Club to remember those gunned down by Padilla. ... Police say Mignogna died at the scene. Rickabaugh and Heiss died shortly after in the Emergency Room at Altoona Hospital.
Padilla remains lodged in the Blair County Prison. No preliminary hearing date has officially been set.
Is this an immigration issue, or is it a triple-homicide? Remember, Miguell A. Padilla, 25, was not the hardworking illegal immigrant talked about by the President, the kind who fill jobs Americans are unwilling to accept. No, this guy is of the ilk that Tom Tancredo wants to lock in a giant dungeon under Elbert County.
It shouldn't be surprising when illegal aliens break the law, since breaking the law was their first act on entering the country.
There's a certain disrespect for our laws inherent in their coming here, so dealing with these kind of criminals is just what comes with not enforcing our immigration laws.
Hunting involves killing things. Am I therefore more likely to kill people? If so, the public policy consequences could be enormous.
Jumping from sneaking into this country to being willing to kill is illogical.
Care to share on the stats on that? Or is that just your person speculation?
Maybe serial killers, since they get away with enough to be "serial" in the first place, are smarter than your average killer. But beyond that I don't see why they would be more likely to be white.
Although, I am not sure how that excuses the fact that cops impounded his car for drugs and didn't bother to check on his immigration status. Seems like a big red flag would have gone up somewhere along the way, and had the guy been deported, he probably wouldn't have killed anyone-at least not here in the US.
I will go find a google on the stat, if you just have to have it, but my degree and background are in criminal justice, so I know the stat is accurate.
A majority of Americans are white and a majority of violent criminals are male. So I meant relative to population proportion.
Mostly I disagreed with your analogy. The reality is that illegal immigrants are a) more likely to commit a crime than a citizen and b) shouldn't be here in the first place, so the crime could have prevented by enforcing existing law.
I actually agree with you that it was a bad one.
I was just point out that the majority of serial killers are white males.
Studies vary-they tend to range from 10-15% of serial killers being African American, which would put African Americans either just under or just over their percentage in the population. Whites are still slightly more represented (about 80% of serial killers are white) because the percentages of Asian and Hispanic serial killers are lower than their representation in the population.
There are other studies, and the above link is the HTML so kind of hard to read, but it had the best tables.
But you made the contention illegals are not more likely to be criminals, per capita, than citizens, which struck me as technically impossible (they're all criminals just by being here) but also incorrect even in the way you meant it-- this is a massive problem in the SW and serious elsewhere.
On the serial killer side topic, it looks to me like, once you adjust for age (especially given the hispanic population is disproportionately young), there is no racial pattern. Serial killers are not old by definition but generally they do not earn that description without a lengthy period of murders, and often are somewhat middle-aged when caught.
If whites were more likely to be serial killers, it would just indicate they are better at getting away with crimes, since in the case of all other murders whites are guilty very rarely per capita.
But you made the contention illegals are not more likely to be criminals, per capita, than citizens,
I don't recall saying this, can you quote me?
"There are illegal immigrants that are violent criminals. Just as there are legal immigrants and natives that are violent criminals. And I've seen nothing to support the idea that illegal immigrants are any more violent than the other two groups."
You did qualify this with 'violent' crime, so the 'illegal' aspect of their mere presence would not be a factor. Even so, not only is their rate of violent crimes higher, it is MUCH higher.
Maybe serial killers...are smarter than your average killer. But beyond that I don't see why they would be more likely to be white.
what it seems like you're saying? Or am I reading this wrong?
the same person.
I didn't think the original post was yours but somehow I got confused. Apologies.
The key word in "illegal immigrant" isn't "immigrant," it's the other one.
Had he been kept out or deported, the murders (of someone else) could have been handled by the Mexican police.
but many states and cities have regulations that prevent their police from even inquiring into the immigration status of anyone, even people they suspect of or catch committing a crime. It might indicate racism, you know.
These states say that they don't get paid to enforce immigrations laws; it's a Federal issue.
The cities call themselves "sanctuary cities."
I don't know if Pennsylvania is such a state, or Altoona such a city.
who in a discussion-I have made similar mistakes.
policy to have.
It isn't racist to make sure a person is in the country legally with the correct paperwork in order.
While I am not an anti legal immigration person (I am one who actually thinks we should raise the # of legal immigrants permitted and the proccess made easier/cheaper), I think we should have a zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration.
"Even so, not only is their rate of violent crimes higher, it is MUCH higher."
Not saying it's false, but it would be nice to see a source for something like that.
Not saying he can't, but I doubt it. The FBI's annual Crime in the United States report, which is the basis for virtually all statistics in this area, does not distinguish between Whites and Hispanics. They do break out American Indians, but I don't think you can be both an illegal alien and an American Indian. They also break out Asians and Pacific Islanders, but those folks haven't been storming the beaches in sufficient numbers to make much of a dent.
The Democrat-run big cities do not report illegals when they commit crimes, so it is never recorded that the offender was an alien.
Also note that some people come into the US for the express purpose of committing crimes-- usually drug related. So you have the general population of illegals, of which a certain number are criminals, but then dedicated criminals that cross over illegally.
It's tough to say exactly but the crime rate amongst illegal aliens is significantly higher than the legal population-- my guess would be they are several times more likely to commit violent crimes, but if adjusted for economic status it might not be quite as bad.
"It's tough to say exactly but the crime rate amongst illegal aliens is significantly higher than the legal population-- my guess would be they are several times more likely to commit violent crimes, but if adjusted for economic status it might not be quite as bad."
I really think that statements like these deserve to be grounded in fact. I'm not sure that a statistically significant number of illegals come to ths US "for the express purpose of committing crimes", though I'd hate to be the guy who had to come up with methodology for that survey.
FTR, I am 100% behind tightening our southern border. But fear mongering based on anecdotal evidence isn't needed to make that case.
Who knows? They're bureaucrats. In any case, it turns out that the people running the jails are not so hidebound. They do break it out, and I found that here [Warning: pdf]. As of 2003 (last data available) Hispanics were 15.4% of the population in our jails and correctional institutions. Off the top of my head, that sounds like it's about the same as the percentage of Hispanics in the population... which would make the poster's assertion false.
This is emotion and not rationality. There are illegal immigrants that are violent criminals. Just as there are legal immigrants and natives that are violent criminals. And I've seen nothing to support the idea that illegal immigrants are any more violent than the other two groups.
Most serial killers are white. Does that man a difference when handling whites in law enforcements?