Boy Scouts are a Religion?

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Do you consider the Boy Scouts a religion?  A judge in San Diego said it was, and now the 9th Circuit (oh joy) gets a shot at it.

Arguments in a major Boy Scouts case unfolding in Pasadena, Calif., before a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals - a case that is certain to be headed for the Supreme Court -- centered on the contention that the revered organization is actually a religion and should therefore not be given a lease of public land.

The case was brought by self-declared agnostics Lori and Lynn Barnes-Wallace and Michael and Valerie Breen, along with a son of each, in protest of a lease of parkland in Balboa Park and Fiesta Island by the city of San Diego to the Boy Scouts of America.

The agnostics sued the city on a claim that the lease to the Boy Scouts - out of more than 100 leases, including to the YMCA, a number of Jewish groups, one of which conducts Sabbath services on parkland, and the Girl Scouts - violates the Establishment of Religion Clause of the First Amendment, and that they are suffering "inferior usage" thereby because they don't want to have to apply for permits, or pay usage fees, to the BSA. The case is Barnes-Wallace, et al. v. Boy Scouts of America, Nos. 04-55732, 04-56167.

A federal judge in San Diego granted the summary judgment to the agnostics, finding that the Boy Scouts are a "religion" because of the Boy Scout Oath, which includes doing one's duty to "God and my country," and the Boy Scout Law, which includes "reverence" as one of 12 precepts. Also, the Scouts require a belief in God as a condition of membership.

The city itself is not part of the appeal. It settled with the American Civil Liberties Union to avoid further expense, agreeing to terminate the lease and to give the ACLU $940,000 in attorney fees. The appeal continues since the Boy Scouts, if they prevail, want to be able to contract for a lease with the city again.

The case has drawn national attention because the federal judge's finding that the BSA is "a religion" imperils the future work of not only the Boy Scouts, but all organizations that recognize a transcendent higher authority, including community service organizations like Rotary and Kiwanis, Alcoholics Anonymous, which works directly with the courts and government, and veterans organizations like the American Legion, whose constitutional preamble begins "For God and Country," almost identical to the Boy Scouts Oath.



That any federal judge considered the BSA a religion is truly unbelievable.  But the idea that using the "G" word in a sentence prevents you from consideration at all by any level of government is even more preposterous.  When you see  how much religion the Founding Fathers allowed for in government by their actions, this can't possibly be a First Amendment issue.  At least not the First Amendment the way they intended it to be.  But to the "living document" judges, the Constitution means whatever they want it to mean.  Today.  Until they change their minds.  Again.

So much for the Constitution be a foundation.

There's no basis for this by PoliticalNut

I used to be an executive for te BSA.  They support most faiths but not one over any other.  So to say they are a religion by supporting religion is absurd.

Sounds to me like a liberal judge grandstanding and trying to make legislation from the bench.

9th Circus by Darin H

will uphold the ruling, and the SCOTUS will smack it down.

The instigators of these lawsuits are members themselves of a  "religion" and certain known truths, are part of their position.  The truth in this case is that the Boy Scouts is an evil institution and must not be allowed to continue to operate.  The strategy is to litigate until the Boy Scouts run out of money.  (It does not help that a city capitulated and provided the ACLU with more support.)

The solution is to replace sufficient members of the supreme court until the issue of establishment of religion is put back to pre 1970 understanding.  Clearly the Boy Scouts are not establishing any religion, and are not a religion unto themselves.  No public entity giving them support should be held accountable for anything except that the support is a valid priority among taxpayers

According to this list, most of the faiths are represented:

African Methodist Episcopal Church

African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church

Armenian Apostolic Church of America (Western Prelacy)

Armenian Church of America (Eastern Diocese)

Baha'i

Baptist

Buddhist

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)

Christian Methodist Episcopal Church

 Church of Christ, Scientist (Christian Scientist)

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Churches of Christ

Community of Christ

(formerly the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Eastern Catholic

Eastern Orthodox

Episcopal

General Church of the New Jerusalem (The New Church)

Hindu

Islamic

Jewish

Lutheran

Meher Baba

Moravian

Polish National Catholic Church

Presbyterian Church in America

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)

Protestant and Independent Christian Churches

(Available to any Christian denomination)

Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)

Roman Catholic

The Salvation Army

Unitarian-Universalist

United Church of Christ

United Methodist

United Pentecostal Church International

Unity Churches

Zoroastrian

Can anybody tell me what Zoroastrianism is?  And unless I am mistaken, Buddhists don't believe in a Supreme Being...

 
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