Time to pull out of Wisconsin
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From the diaries...
There were 28 shootings this past weekend in Milwaukee. After 175 years of occupation, we are seemingly unable to extract ourselves from the quagmire that apparently is Wisconsin. I say it is time America cut its losses and pulled out of Wisconsin NOW. We currently have over 7000 Army National Guard troops based there yet there seems to be no end to the carnage.
Please join me in writing to Rep. Jack Murtha to get this terrible situation the attention it deserves. 15 in Haditha is nothing compared to the horrors perpetrated month after month after month after month in Wisconsin. It's time we brought our people home.
over the border to a safer Waukegan
Please Kofi, please help us.
Safe, Cozy, Homey Wisconsin;
Then where will we put our troops?
Safe, cozy, Homey Washington D.C.? L.A.? New York, NY?
I thought the NIMBYs in Okinawa didn't want us there so much anymore.
But, I guess it'd be too much to hope for to ask for a base outside Taipei...
in the North, and winning over the locals in the West. The southeast region seems to be a hotbed of extremist activity...
I tossed in Oki because that's where Murtha wants to send the "Iraq Rapid Reaction Force".
Bottom line, the Marines are moving out of Oki and likely relocating most of the 31st MEU to Guam. No "firm as jello" timetable yet.
Bush is only in WI for the CHEEEEEEESE!
--furious
A redeployment is much preferable to a withdrawal. And if the situation worsens, we can always go back in, err, re-redeploy.
Our presence in Wisconsin has never been about cheese. Or at least, the flow of cheese has never been our sole objective there.
No, Operation Wisconsin Freedom is about creating a democracy where there has been none. It is about the human rights of Wisconsinners, such as getting lathered up and driving around on a snowmobile. Year round.
Despite what you might hear in the MSM, our presence has been largely welcomed by the majority of people in Wisconsin. Only a few in the larger population centers of Madison and Milwaukee have complained, and that chiefly because the local government wasn't receiving enough foreign aid from Washington.
I believe we should stay in Wisconsin. There is enough cheese money to rebuild their devastated infrastructure, now that it's not being used in the "Food for Oil" program.
And in other good news, Brett Favre is going to play another year. Can we do less?
would be an ensuing "Cheese For Food" scandal....
...you come to the battle armed only with a http://www.spork.org/ "> spork!
This has been and always will be about the cheese any attempt to say otherwise is just intellectually dishonest.
You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
Last year there was an intensive search for Abu Ruta Baga al Cumberlandi in the Western part of the state. Word is that he left the area over the winter but is expected to return as he has roots in that area.
So is it all about the cheese? Maybe not. In fact, I would propose that in the roughly 175 years that we have been there, we have lost sight of our original goals. If you were to ask someone why we are there now they would probably look at you with a vacant stare like you are crazy or something.
If we are going to stay, we should clearly define our goals and expections and then create a definate timetable for withdrawal.
to bow down to the conspiracy theorists who say Wisconsin is all about cheese. I've spent quite a bit of time in Wisconsin, and in fact I was born there. Pulling out now is just bad policy.
life. There was credible evidence the Packers were seeking on the open market a new quarterback. All current and past intelligence has shown this to be true.
do you think they are called "The Packers"? Is that a hint or what?
...changed my mind but in that case we need to find viable alternatives to our dependence on Wisconsin cheese - California can't be made to bare the brunt of this effort on her own!
we must help the people of Wisco prevail.
And until they are ready to stand up and tackle these problems on their own, we shouldn't continue to act as an enabler. If they won't stand up, we should still stand down! Where's Murtha? This is BIG!
See, the truth is that things in Wisconsin are not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion. The American public is way ahead of us. The United States and National Guard troops have done all they can in Wisconsin, but it is time for a change in direction. Our police are suffering. The future of our country is at risk. We can not continue on the present course. It is evident that continued civic action in Wisconsin is not in the best interest of the United States of America, the people of Wisconsin or the Great Lakes Region.
What about the Fromago Republic of Minnesota next door? Don't we worry that now we've created a power vacuum in the region Fitz Mondale will come charging across the border and make Wisconsin into a fundamentalist state?
While all of you concern yourselves with the cheese issue in Wisconsin, you keep forgetting that the state is also known for its BALONEY!
Even though WMC's (Weapons of Mass Cheese) have not been found, we know at one time Wisconsin was trying to obtain them.
...48 drug overdose fatalities in Wayne County in the past two weeks.
We have lost the war on drugs and must put an end to the senseless deaths by immediately declaring our unconditional surrender.
the Detroit winged feet...we are all in mourning ever since they went out in the first round.
we'll never be able to stop the sectarian violence between the Swedes, the Norwegians and the nasty non-Swede/Norwegian segments of the population.
They've been throwing herring at one another for years. What makes us think we can induce them to stop?????
Is that violence by old people over sixty? I always get those age-number things mixed up. Oct-tarian violence would be 80s, right?
...being of a fan of the Wirtzhawks, I have little sympathy for anyone who has even made the playoffs in the past 10 years.
...issued to Kraft and Sargento for creamery reconstruction contracts.
Demand that Dick Cheney surrender documents from the unofficial meetings he held with Precious and Borden in formulating the Nat'l Cheese Policy.
Subpoena the Laughing Cow (La Vache qui Rit) to testify before Congress as to just what's so funny.
--furious
...were used for Velveeta canisters, not centrifuges.
--furious
randomly if you ever had to eat This.
Although I understand the basis for this diary, I don't find it amusing. Yes, I know this won't make me popular here, but I call 'em like I see 'em. Let me explain my reaction...
This Memorial Day gave me opportunity to think about the bravery and patriotic values of our men and women in uniform. Their service is made more poignant by the 3,000 or so deaths and upwards of 15,000 severe injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't get me wrong -- these numbers do not signify anything about the value of our cause, good or bad -- death and injury is what our fighting men and women have always faced.
I just have a hard time comparing the hardships of combat in Iraq with life in Milwaukee. Maybe it makes me humorless, but I feel any such comparison, no matter how well-intentioned, demeans the sacrifice of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
it's a knock on Murtha...I don't think you'll ever find anyone here doing a darn thing to koock the troops, or make light of their situation.
on the other hand, that worthless sack or *&^$ Murtha....
...are misunderstood victims of society who turned to violence because Bush's economic policies stripped them of dignity and hope. The "killers" in Iraq are Bush's personal cold-blooded assassins, trained to terrorize Iraqi innocents and freedom-fighting insurgents.
It's all so clear if you just take the time to suspend disbelief and watch the evening news.
What a cast of characters you guys are!
Can this be sent to Murtha? Or maybe the NYT?
relative to Iraq?
If Iraq could comprise, say, New England + New York, murders are a lot higher in New England + New York per day, I believe.
Irony, sarcasm, satire and lampoon! All tools to ridicule the obvious hypocrisy of the left. Sorry if this offends your sensibilities, but if you cannot see the hypocrisy of the Jack Murthas, Howard "the duck" Deans and the John "I have the hat" Kerrys of this world...well, can't help ya!
Let's not stop with pulling out of Wisconsin, let's get out of the U.S. altogether as FBI stats show its clearly not safe to live here...
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/index.html
so, what is the immigration policy of Canada? Or better still, Iraq? It seems safer over there...
And to place the horror of Haditha in perspective with the unfortunate horrors that we face every day. Is the answer to run away? Apparently so for Jack Murtha. Running away fixes the problem according to his logic. It won't stop people from dying and it won't stop people from murdering. The simple sad fact is that in this world you can find murderers anywhere and until the facts are in, I am not prepared to judge. But I do know in my heart of hearts that running away isn't going to solve anything.
If the answer to terrible events such as Haditha is to run away then maybe we should apply that very same logic in, say, Wisconsin where some horrible things happened last weekend. The logic becomes exposed for the idiocy that it is when you change the venue.
Pretty soon there is noplace left to run from. As many have pointed out here ... run to where? And then what happens when the same problems happen again? Do you run away some more?
When all the running away is done and you are left with only the ground you stand on, what then?
Time for a good old fashioned belly-painting I suppose. Yellow ... applied liberally.
In the far north. We call them Outhouses!
It is like an old Monty Python movie. Murtha understands that running away taunts the Republicans so he continues to taunt them by running away some more. But maybe now he has come to the point in the script where he can wield the Holy Hand Grenade of Haditha.
Whatever, the man is a buffoon.
Oh, and after watching some clips of congressional hearings on TV today, I think there might be a certain Republican to add to the buffoon list (albeit on a completely different topic of discussion). It appears that idiocy is an equal opportunity condition.
That's exactly the opening he'd love to have!
Let's pull our troop out of California and New Jersey as well.
place for him. Based on my limited time in WI, the MOSQUITO season is coming up. Send in fresh meat from the UN they won't last a week. Immediately following the mosquito season the temperature falls to something about 70 below zero. A fine place for the UN.
Homicide Rate in New England, about 2.4 per 100,000 people per year.
Iraq has a population of around 29 million, so a similar homicide rate would result in 696 deaths per year. Unless my math is wrong, which is possible, you've not got a good comparison on your hands, there.
New York has probably about twice the murder rate, but that still puts you WAY off the Iraq numbers.
you'll walk. But it's gotta move way out of state...
South Africa, I believe, according to the last numbers I saw. More murders per capita there than anyplace, I think. The Congo hasn't been a friendly place to live either, but we don't hear about that much.
after supper to read that :)
And I don't know the answer though I do think that the suggestion might cause some Canadians to consider building a wall......
let's just take a page out of our southern border and walk north in vast numbers. What can they do?
Have you ever actually been HIT with a hockey puck?
Isn't that against the UN's Human Rights Treaty? Remember, Canada signed on. If they don't watch out, we'll march on Montreal and demand our immigrant rights.
I got the s*** kicked out of me in Wisconsin once.
Redeploy them to czechoslovakia. Open them a Hulkaburger franchise.
people who's two favorite sports are hockey and lacrosse.
The only people who could possibly be scarier would those crazy Aussies and their fascination with rugby.
when the subject of Canada comes up.
"Theres nothing in Canada except whores and hockey players" the first guy claims.
"Hey, my wife is from Canad," the second guy shouts.
"Really," the first guy says, "So, what team does she play for?"
To kick that out of someone if they've had enough Blatz. Wisconsin is one of those places where they name beers after the sounds the body makes as a result of the ingestion thereof.
And have that removed.
I lived in Milwaukee for years, and now live only 20 minutes away. What is amazing is how the city and state governments consider murder an inconvience and a distraction to the REAL buisness of government, doing whatever it can to chase existing jobs out of state, and making sure no other companies will come here, providing cut rate mortages to illegal aliens, (and then complaining that Bush won't control the border), and vetoing legislation requiring proof of citizenship to collect state aid.
Clearly you have contempt for both the ongoing violence in Iraq that puts our Finest in harm's way on a daily basis AND the ongoing violence in the streets of our own United States that puts our children at risk every single day.
Why this is funny, I have no idea. Don't write to complain to Murtha, use that energy to write your own Representative, Senator, City Councilman, or Police Chief and tell them what you're willing to do to help.
except those jobs at Harley Davidson...
I can't speak for everyone here, but many of us feel a great deal of contempt for self-righteous hypocrites like Jack Murtha who support the troops by calling them murderers and criminals.
I can't speak for everyone, but many of us feel a great deal of contempt for leftists who find outrage in a little parody, but find nothing wrong with protesters displaying their vile hatred at the funerals of our troops.
I can't speak for everyone here, but many of us, who spend hours debating and discussing the weighty issues of the day, like to, every now and then, let our hair down and have some fun at the expense of the OH SO serious leftists.
But, I don't speak for everyone...who do YOU speak for?
You don't find it funny because this is your FIRST POST.
You've wasted your time on that. Go take your nap and when you get up have your domestic partner make sure your nifty tinfoil hat is fitting right.
for me.
And Leon has spoken eloquenly for us all...
do you think the Chicken Littles of the world ever have any fun?...
what a terrible way to go through life..
in his life.
Maybe he could make a difference by volunteering to help support UN operations in Darfur. Or some blue helmeted peace keeping thing somewhere. Or, I could set him up with police ride alongs in South Phoenix...
The list is endless. Good thought.
No more "pleasure" treks up Mt. Fuji???
HooRah!
they would sooner or later get tired of whining....
This really is the funniest thing I have ever seen on here.
Flernk's earnest attempt to assert moral superiority.
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity". Marshall McLuhan
If the GOP Congress had any brains and guts, neither of which has been present since 1994-96, they'd be pushing legislation to make American cities "as safe as Iraq".
Pitch the immigration bill, pitch everything else and demand action be taken to lower the violent death rates in America's urban areas to rates lower than Iraq. Cite the statistics, again and again and again and again. Point out every day that every one of these urban areas with violent death rates higher than Iraq; Detroit, Atlanta, DC and the rest are run by a monopoly of Democrats. Tell America, "if you like what the Democrats have done for the cities they run, you'll love what they'll do for the entire country if you put them in power".
It should have been the defense to Katrina all along, "well, when a hurricane hits a third world country, which is what you have in New Orleans, Detroit, DC and the rest, this is what you get. The hurricane actually landed Mississippi, like the three hurricanes that landed in Florida the previous two years, but sense those states are run by Republicans it was handled".
Say it, "John Edwards was right, there are two Americas and the one ran by the Democrats is the third world, unless you're a college professor, Hollywood actor or run of the mill gadfly." If only Lee Atwater were still alive, someone would say it at the highest level of the party, rather than all this "new tone" pap which is getting us no where fast.
Please stay with me to defend the hallowed frozen tundra of Lambeau Field. PLEASE FOR GOD SAKES!
...the hallowed frozen tundra of Lambeau Field has laid waste to our team from neighboring Michigan? No sympathy here, bub! You're on your own!
come 09/10/06
the gods and all other powers available!
Well, I'm a regular visitor here, but Milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers began visiting here in the late 16th century... In fact , it's pronounced "mill-e-wah-que" which is Algonquin for "the good land."
We should begin an immediate and complete evacuation of Wisconsin. After several minutes of intensive research, I have come to the conclusion that there is really no good reason for people to be living there in the first place.
The primary product of Wisconsin is cold. And lots of it. The cold is sent to Chicago and from there it is distributed across the Midwest all the way to the Eastern seaboard. While it is seasonal in nature, it has a certain chilling effect that is undeniable.
While opposition leaders are worried that this evacuation will result in a vacuum that could allow certain Minnesota elements to gain a foothold, all agree that steps could be taken to mitigate this possible outcome.
One thing is certain, with the complete evacuation of everyone from Wisconsin, there would be a 100% assurance that the violence would stop and that is what is most important at this stage. Our attempts to peacefully occupy Wisconsin has failed and this is really the only strategy that seems to hold any promise.
In order to prevent infiltration from the West, all breweries will be destroyed and all stocks of beer destroyed at the outset of the evacuation. This also provides additional incentive for the population to migrate.
As for a destination for the displaced population, careful consideration must be given as to locations that could absorb an estimated 5.5 Million new citizens. An exchange deal with Mexico is said to be in the works which should result in a 2:1 exchange rate of two Mexican citizens for each Wisconsin refugee. According to my dinner napkin calculations, this should work out about right and will have the added benefit of increasing brewery investment in Mexico.
Details are still to be worked out concerning the disposition of dairy herds but there have been suggestions floated to the Minnesota Dairy Farmers Association of working a deal to trade the herds in exchange for a security fence along the Minnesota/Wisconsin border.
Overall, congressional sources say this appears to be our last best hope of ending the violence in Wisconsin.
based in limited numbers at Sasebo and there will be a small presence on Oki. So, Fuji and real sushi will still be available, just to a select few.
several times per season. That's the most help I can muster.
Actually if I understand correctly, we'll be moving more troops away from Okinawa and up onto Honshu.
More Fujisan for everyone!
of Wisconsin - the Milwaukeeans, Madisonians, and Dairy Farmers - to live together in one state. The best thing to do is to let them separate before there is all-out civil war.
Are probably getting support for their insurgency against the Millwaukeeans from their comrades in Venezuela. It's a safe bet that the whole thing is being run out of the UW - Madison campus.
only outlaws will have lutefisk.
(serves them right!)
The UW Madison campus is leading the disinvest from Israel campaign, so perhaps Hamas is aiding them too.
Mayor Barrett was on the local news last night blaming the violence on legal gun owners losing track of their guns, and letting them end up in the hands of criminals.
You guys are wrong!!!!!
The majority of Wisconsin has a low level of violence. Some counties go years without a murder!
And you aren't getting the whole story. Your only getting what the big media is feeding you. Find the local papers and get the real truth! Talk with people outside of Milwaukee and you'll find things are going great here.
Why, we're only 10,000 fake/dead votes from being a true Red State!
We do have to be ever vigilant against certain sects and tribes that come from Milwaukee and Dane (Madison) counties.
And we are more worried about the FIBs (I'd tell you what that stood for, but it would get me banned) infiltrating from Chicago than anything from Minnesota.
Come to Wisconsin and see the truth! The mosquito problem is over-hyped and can easily be controlled. Why I took my Father-in-law and my son fishing last weekend and we caught over 200 fish!
Don't be fooled. Come to Wisconsin and see the truth!
F. I. B. ?....easy. We can buy cheese and brats somewhere else!
Metatron: The Angel of Death is charged with meting out whatever justice God demands. So for their insolence, God decreed that neither Loki nor Bartleby would ever be allowed back into Paradise.
Bethany: Were they sent to Hell?
Metatron: Worse. Wisconsin. For the entire span of human history. And when the world ends, they'll sit outside the gates for eternity.
The Peoples' Democratic Republic of Canada moments ago refused to accept Wisconsin as a territorial protectorate.
Neighboring states are to be on the alert for a massive influx of refugees. The Coast Guard has been alerted to redirect Wisconsin Boat People back into the state's terrirorial waters.
Contraband dairy products are to be confiscated for redistribution to the 12th Congressional District of Pennsylvania - just declared a disaster area after 30 years of industrial and economic decline.
The Milwaukee city council is meeting today to try to overide the Mayor's veto of the electric tram network, while the Mayor is meeting with a gun store owner, because gun shops are the problem. Give me back Chief Brier.
Especially after the carnage of last weekend is proper border control to keep the FIB militias out. They are a destabilizing force that only fuel the current cycle of violence.
Not to mention screwing up traffic northbound on Friday and southbound on Sunday.
watch your economy plunder.
and as for driving, stick to tractors. ;)
Perhaps we should consider feeding this to our inmates. Recidivism would plummet! Our prison population would be cut in half, and State and County coffers would rise. Cities could redirect the savings toward school vouchers.
Perhaps Wisconson does have something to offer.
Of course, the Human Rights Commission might scream "Abu Ghraib". But if its good enough for Murtha...
I live in New England...the population must be much higher than I thought.
Or I should move from where I am. O_O
But I'm jaded from driving up north with a few on the road every weekend all summer long.
:-)
and watch the price of waterfront property and hunting acerage plummet!
That's a win for me.
try getting to work every morning on the S bound tollway, headed to O'Hare, and everywhere you look it's Wisco plates doing 30 under the posted limit.
IN THE LEFT LANES!!!
Really it does.
Really.
Ok, not so much ;-}
Is it even possible for someone from Chicago to go the posted speed limit? I thought that was against the law.
We're feeding this to the Wisconsonians? Dick Durbin was right, we really are like Nazis!
Oh, wait a minute, I think I'd rather have the glazed chicken they're serving at Gitmo.
I actually laughed when I found out what a FIB was.
We know you hate us...it makes it even better. :p
As far as speeding..it's a little out of hand. This morning was nuts.
These crazy conspiracy theorists DO have it all wrong. The cheese story is just a cover. Nobody is talking about the real reason we are there, the lifeblood of this country, the liquid gold we all need to survive...BEER!
Would we really still be there if it wasnt for that?
OK, I just looked it up. If Wisconsinites think the people from Illinois drive aggresively you should probably NEVER drive in NYC!
We're all professional drinkers. Amateurs enter the ring at their own risk.
The notorious, professional mercenary insurgents from that dastardly oraganization Al Leinie!
No wonder we have had such problems in that state!
it will be safe to actually go into the woods again during hunting season. Gang bangers could teach some of those guys fire discipline.
Someone once told me about sitting in a small town cafe and a couple of "hunters" (obviously from the city) were talking and one asked the other if he had got anything. The other says "Nah, haven't seen a thing. Got a couple of
'sound shots' though". My friend said the hair on his neck stood straight up and his kids weren't allowed outside the rest of hunting season!
"Sound" shot! JEEZ. Shooting at things you can only hear is a good way to kill someone. Or get a skunk. Either way, you're screwed.
cause the native from northern Wisco a couple years ago showed tremendous discipline popping what, 4 to 5 other hunters?..
I hear the whole state smells like dairy-air....
I thought the Holy Hand Grenade was supposed to be used on killer rabbits.
the ground squirrels in football, basketball and hockey but I didn't realize that we had taken actual physical ownership over St Paul.
I blame Bush!
According to a posting on Tim Blair's site, the tinfoil hats not only don't work, but they might actually increase government reception. The original link is here. http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/3906c0f98d07b010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrc
rd.html
I'm an agent of the NSA. Tinfoil hats tend to focus brain waves and we can pick up those transmissions. We don't need warrants for brain waves.
Because leaving equals losing. (apparantly)
You folks puzzle me.
"Over the rainbow" instead. Hmm, SNAP!, we could have a reaction force of dwarves that in case of trouble would arrive in a container airdropped from a C-17 and bust out singing ... oh, nevermind.
Frankly, with all the debate about immigration I find the lack of assimilation in WI appalling. The failure of Northern Europeans and Scandinavians to adopt our culture provides a breeding ground for their subversive alternative ethos. One needs only to look at the evident signs such as proliferation of food choices like "Brats", take home pizza you cook yourself (what kind of people own a pizza stone?) and substantial consumption of beverages such as beer. They have also decimated our language by generous use of words such as "bubbler" (who actually knows what that means?) and vulgarities such as "cripes".
I say run! Run for your lives and cede Wisconsin to Canada, now.
Debbie Stabenow and Michael Moore need to be deposed from power, I think.
Sorry to weigh in with a serious post but:
I don't think Murtha's position is so hard to understand. It isn't a position of cowardess. It's a position of concern for the well-being of our troops. The massacre was a result of mental instability on the part of troops who have been depoloyed for too long with no end in sight. So to Murtha's mind there are 2 clear solutions.
- Ramp up troop numbers and relieve the troops who have been put under tremendous strain, or...
- Come home. Because leaving an insuficiant number of troops in the field for too long means this kind of horror will only increase.
Since President Bush has no intention of sending more troops to Iraq, Murtha thinks the only viable option left to us in order to spare the troops and the Iraqi's more Hadithas is to pull them out now.
I don't know if I agree but in all honesty his line of reasoning is not that hard to follow and if you come away with the conclusion that he wants to cut and run because he is a weak-minded liberal, I can only pity the obtuseness of that opinion.
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Thank you
Compulsory canibalism. For each cell, two go in, only one comes out. Save money on food, too.
prison populations in WI and MN would go through the roof.