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This is obviously tongue in cheek. So many conservatives have their panties in a bunch lately rushing to denounce Coulter. In their lust to tell liberals and the MSM who already have us pegged as self hating fascist warmongers (in the case of minority conservatives) or racist redneck pigs (in the case of non minority conservatives) we have forgotten that every now and then we make a couple of jokes. Oh I forgot we're also fanatic fundamental Christian wackos. Why do we care so much about how liberals are going to view us. Coulter is not an elected offical-though she has more balls than most GOP officials these days, but of course she does not speak for the GOP. She also has never been given a skybox next to Geogre Bush at the RNC. She's funny, she's dead on, and I'm sick of the wusses who are rushing to denounce every cherry picked out of context quote to further the cause of "Ann Coulter doesn't speak for us." If you haven't read her book , or watched FOXNews, then I really don't respect your opinion of Coulter because your picking cherry picked quotes by the liberal media that are out of context to intentionally slam Ann. Read her books or don't-but don't slam something you have no context for. For god sakes, I joined the Right because I thought they were tougher than the whiny Left. Lately I've been thinking about a box of tissues for both sides of the aisle.

Murtha truly has come to be a liberal version of Needhemeier from animal house. Anns job is to be over the top and theres no way anyone with a sense of humor couldn't at least chuckle at this.

No comment on content, but the way you set up the quote, on the first 3 glances, it appears Murtha responds to Hawkins re Coulter.

but she's really just being a good lawyer with the way she argues these things.  If you can use your opening or the phrasing of your questions to to get your opponent or your opponent's witness spitting, shaking, irrationally angry, you're well on your way to winning.  There are not a lot of people who can think clearly while gasping for breath.

I know that in my advocacy days, my SOP was to walk in, smile, shake hands, and hit somebody up side the head with a two by four.  People will start saying you're not nice, but the only thing that counts is who won.  Nothing personal, just tactics.

Once upon a time it was thought that the right were uptight church ladies and wannabe deacons. That was their image and they owned it. The left on the other hand was willing to experiment and try anything. They were the open and tolerant ones. It was the right that shut down comedians like lenny bruce and richard pryor. At least they could make those claims untill Andrew Dice Clay came along. Then the left revealed that they were fine with comics only as long as they were being funny about things they didn't like. If you stepped on their toes tolerance left their vocabulary.

Lets face it Air America failed because they are so pompous and have their heads buried so deep in their navels theres nothing left to be enjoyable or entertaining. Heaven only knows that these people are way to stiff to actually laugh at themselves.

When the modern conservative movement can no longer realize that a joke is a joke and laugh thats when it will be time to move on. I know we are no longer near that point but it is always good to remember freedom of speach is only important when people say things you don't like hearing.

Say, if you will, that Murtha is a rambling, illogical ex-patriot who has violated every iota of the Marine Corps code and who should be sent packing to the old folks' home to spit tapioca at the television.  But some things are not to be joked about, and fragging a fellow soldier is one of them.

Ann Coulter is right on with her insights and her comments are what more conservatives should be embracing in both tone and content.  No matter what conservatives do, the left will malign them - along with the spineless conservatives who think they can somehow placate the left by pandering to it.  Every one of us should grow a pair and try be be more like Ann.

I'm aware of cases where people in the military got time in the slammer for comments like that - as jokes.

This was not funny.

You guys are starting to sound like Leon about Harriet Miers. The woman deals in hyperbole. Why do you let it push your buttons?

First, it would be a waste of a perfectly good grenade.

Second, we want Murtha out in public shooting off his mouth.  He is an anchor, and a big one, on the DNC's little sail boat.

She's hugely prominent and a lot of people, sadly, think she speaks for conservatives.  Most of us have neither the time nor the inclination to denounce every last thing said on our side we disagree with, but every now and then you have to make clear that someone doesn't speak for the movement, lest we all get tarred with everything she says.

A graphic some comic posted under video of Bush speaking.  It read "Snipers wanted."

I didn't think that was funny.  Coulter's comment isn't funny, either.

Ann does go over the line at times.  But when it comes to her, Murtha, the MSM, the 9/11 Commission, the Jersey Girls and the rest of that lot, what they all have in common is they are all political "hacks".  

The difference is Ann is the only one that is not a fraud.

that points out the conservative movement has disavowed sweet Annie? Probably not, but you can find a whole bunch that say she does. Why? It suits their agenda. So say you don't like her, but the nitpicking is a bit tiresome.

She (rightfully) threw a fit when someone threw a pie at her, but she feels welcome to call for a man's murder?

Does she realize what she's even saying?  I'd wager there are more lefties mad at her, than righties mad at Murtha, if only because Coulter's worst brain droppings get more mainstream press airplay than Murtha's.

So if she declares it open season to kill Murtha, then what's that say to the left about her?

I think it's time I removed Town Hall from my bookmark list until she's expunged from it.  That's my part in the boycott.

John Hawkins: Do you think we're going to be able to successfully help the Iraqis become a Democratic country?

Ann Coulter: I was kind of hoping they'd go Republican.

Oh thank you for posting the link to the article this woman is a gem beyond price.

every bit of it!

With all the rush to denounce Ann Coulter, I rushed out to buy her book last night.  After finding them all turned upside down in my local B&N (I returned them all to their rightful, prominent place), I happily bought it knowing it would be full of intelligent (and footnoted) commentary and scathing humour about the Left.

After finishing the first two chapters, I am not disappointed.

Since Ann is one of only a few on the Right who engages in the really scathing stuff (one - she does it well, and two - she is nearly always dead on in her analysis), maybe that's why some on our side find it so off-putting.

For myself, I find her different (much different) from the Left in that Ann doesn't stop with her scathing comments. They're almosyt always followed by insightful and true commentary on the Left.

While the left has nothing but their name calling and Bush-bashing, and conservative-hating, Ann has the truth on her side in addition to a quick whit and biting tongue.

In a media world where our arguments can not be encapsulated in a 5 second sound bite, and the MSM won't give us the time to actually explain what we believe, Ann at least gets some attention with her polemics.  

The Left doesn't fight fair, Krem, and neither should we.

I like it.

Also the reason Dishonorable Discharges are in the military justice system.

Better yet - send him to GITMO, he could develop his ties with his new 'brothers in arms'.

Before you do that consider what you will be losing.  Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell and Mike S. Adams.  If you want to do something about Anne on Townhall, contact the editor of the website and tell them that they should reconsider having her on their website, but don't boycot a good site because she is on it.  Remember, she is advertised here and yet here you are.

She did not call for anyone to kill the old dope. However, I think he should be shot, after an appropriate trial for treason, of course.

This is about her being published as part of the sitem, not advertising.

I don't think it makes sense to boycott someone because of their advertisers.  It's advertisers who support the product, not vice-versa.  I'm not going to boycott Red State because Ann Coulter's people support it in order to hawk their book.

Now, if Red State started publishing on the front page Coulter's syndicated column, I might consider leaving.  Because then it'd be RS supporting Coulter.

But Coulter is one of Town Hall's official columnists that they aggregate.  They're also helping her promote her latest book on the front page in addition to any advertising there.

So, bookmark deleted.

Let's face it, Ann's not a conservative, liberal or anything else.  She's a self aggrandizing individual who only cares about her own fame.

We all know that about her.

So when she says stupid, outlandish stuff to get more press, we shouldn't get ticked off about that.  

This really is par for the course for Ann.

And if anyone thinks she was serious, that person is stupid.  She's not serious about anything other than becoming more famous, more tall, and more blonde.

And for whoever said she would be in jail if she was in the military:  well, she ain't in the military and is under no duty to act as though she is.

about the Jersey Girls and the use of victimhood as a shield. I won't engage in this absurd piling on because she uttered--in vile, tasteless words to be sure--the truth about left-wing griefmongers. Not that Coulter minds; many more "discoveries" about what she has said and her latest tome (which I wouldn't buy or even bother to read) will stay Number One ad infinitum.

Get over it. She was right on the substance about professional victims, and there were far too few who would call the Left on that tasteless strategy.

leon guy.

They'd break her in half.  Someone give her a cheeseburger, please.  

what all I need to know. I am behind her 100%

Is it your claim that she meant to play Rep. Murtha in a good old MAP01 deathmatch, and frag him that way?

I love how Coulter's supporters always note how those who don't appreciate her lack a sense of humor AND that her books are serious arguments with FOOTNOTES.

I think both are false.  The claim that the editors of this site don't have a sense of humor is silly in the extreme.  Coulter just isn't funny.

I also think that her claims to seriousness are silly.  I have read her work.  It is populist boilerplate and over-the-top accusations.  So what if she has footnotes.  Since when do footnotes by themselves magically make an argument serious?

The reason I don't like Coulter is that she poisons the atmosphere with her ridiculous rhetoric and gives liberals a convenient cover to tar conservatives.

Just because many of her targets are deserving doesn't mean here tone and style are something we should applaud.  I find it hard to believe that she convinces anyone of anything.  All she does is stir up hot air to sell books. She leverages the emotions of her fans but at the expense of coherent and civil debate.

Ann has a spine. Thats just what we need.

Indeed.  She can't at once be a serious thinker and a humorous bomb thrower at the same time.

The two roles just aren't compatible.

It took me to a post about the Hadji girl song.

everything the Demms are again, goes bad for them.

Like the war in Iraq. Boy are we winning now. Even the MSm see's it.

we are tending to do what we sometimes excoriate the LeftyBlogs™ for doing, treating every comment someone makes as if it was carved on the obverse of Moses' tablets.

Ann is not, was never and never will be a soldier. Her allusion to 'fragging' is the kind of thing that someone who has no knowledge of the service says with casual abandon.

Murtha's comments on the otherhand is a different kettle of fish.

Just my $0.02 for what its worth.

...he can't really respond, now.  I've Lowered The Boom in the main post.

So because the hand is rotten you are willing to cut off the entire arm?  I am lacking the ability to understand this.  You don't have to read her column.  You are negating the good work of the website and the other opinion makers like the ones that I listed.  I don't read her stuff, but I am not going to do away with a good source of opinion like Townhall.  You are one of the intellectual forces on this site and I think you are making a bad choice.  And no, I am not an employee of the Hall.

Media whore.

Personally I've never criticized them for that, nor have I really been seeing others criticize them for that.

Though what I have seen is the regular excoriation of lefties who say outlandish things involving matters like shooting the President, the religious right being the American Taleban, American soldiers being like Nazis, and things like that.

Words mean things.  Accusations hurt people.  And just laughing it off doens't cut it if you make a habit of doing it.  And Coulter, like the netroots, has done just that.

You look at someone like Ann Coulter who is an attractive, intelligent, politically astute conservative and you say, what a waste.  She could have been a CCA Judge, Congresswoman, or SCOTUS nominee some where down the road if she wasn't so busy being her.

In one sense I guess she serves a purpose and she certainly has made a lot of money, but I've always been disappointed in the missed opportunities for the movement.

Boy do you know how to butter me up, heh.

Anyway, historically your analogy is spot-on.  Before penicillin, we had to cut off limbs when there was a runaway infection there.

I guess writing the note you suggest would be analgous to that pencillin.  So I'll try it, and if Coulter stays, I'll know not to go back.

thanks,

It's the act of a soldier killing his superiors while in combat.

Anti-Vietnam war activists popularized the term, but I don't know if it's older than that.

By reading the other great commentary, you are not financially supporting the website.  You don't have to pay for the great, insightful commentary by Williams, Sowell, George Will and the other great people over there that aren't Ann Coulter.  My personal favs in case you wanted to know are Williams Sowell and Mike S. Adams--this guy is really hilarious.

Though technically if he answer to my question was in the affirmative, he ought to be able to answer.

So silence really say it all, heh.

I am sure she was joking around but it is time people point out that scumbags like Murtha are putting our troops lives in jeopardy. I am sick and tired of traitors like him getting a free pass from the left and right because he was a Marine. My son is in the army,  2nd Brigade 1st infantry division 9th engineer battalion 1st platoon 3rd squad.The big red one.

I am tired of the left and right saying that they should be punished if ... Who is the enemy in Iraq? What uniform does he wear? These Marines deserve to be innocent until proven guilty, and if they are guilty they should be dealt with leniently. They are under a lot of stress and their lives are in danger. We need to cut them some slack.

Murtha is traitor like Kerry and Fonda putting our military men in danger because of his propoganda.

Redstate is spending more time attacking Coulter than the Democrats. I'm getting pretty sick of it. Don't like her? Fine. Ignore her. Don't buy her books. Whatever.

If these keeps up, I imagine RS is going to lose some people, me being one of them. I'm not here for conservative in-fighting. You want to whine because she says something about that traitor/opportunist Murtha? OK. But do it on a site that's not about furthering the conservative agenda, because this garbage does not do that.

I realize Moe wants us to all be nice little robots who don't upset our dear leftist friends. That's fine. Me personallly, I don't want Democrats to run Washington again. Call me crazy.

Sure, I understand that Moe is an ex-Democrat who has lefty friends and all that.  But I'm not, and I don't, and I still can't stand Coulter.

So what's your excuse to me?

P.S. if you want Democrats to be forever in the minority, why NOT separate mainstream Republicanism from a woman who's hateful writing can easily turn moderates away from the cause?

Seeing as how Murtha isn't really anyone's superior anymore (especially in the moral and intellectual sense)...

a fragmentation grenade into the tent of an unpopular officer is the most common meaning from the VN era.  It happened, but not nearly as much as the ant-war crowd made it out to be.

There's plenty of RedStaters who like Coulter, we get that.  But some of us happen to think that she's an albatross for the conservative movement.  Plus, we don't, ourselves, want to be associated with her.

There is no way her comment could be taken in the negative way that is being presented except by the hypersensitive. It was not an invitation or exhortation to do harm Rep Murtha. It was a statement about the mans personality.

If this is enough to get me banned well its likely that this really isnt the place for me.

If we can all look back at the days of the John Birch Society and the battle they had with WFB, we will see that by Buckley pushing them away from Conservatism he did more for the movement's infantcy than anyone else could have.  One the other hand, I would be hard pressed to equate her current position of today with the Birchers' position of yesteryear.  She hasn't quite reached that point of no return yet.  

...to remember elementary standards of politeness and decorum - which lack is rapidly becoming a real concern.  I am weary of this, and it will stop.  Now.

Moe

PS: You may want to reconsider that attitude of yours, neighbor.  Particularly when it comes to telling me what my real motivations are.  I get a little funny in the head when people tell me what my real motivations are.

I used their feedback form and asked them to drop Coulter.  We'll see what happens I guess.

the intentional killing of another soldier, especially of a superior by a lower ranking soldier, then blaming it on enemy fire.

I hope #50 doesn't but you, heh.  I was just trying to take his premise and show it still insufficient to jump this conclusion.

This is a link straight to the editor.

http://www.townhall.com/townhall/write_editor.html

I think you will get further this rout.  And send them more than one for it can be rather hard to get a reply.  Use the Andy Dufrane approach--a little Shawshank Redemption reference there.

was fragging was the resort for men who had an officer who would put them at unnecessary risk for his own greater glory or martinets who simply didn't care about their men.

So, in the sense that Murtha is denigrating the soldiers and arguably putting them at greater risk and he is a leader of the country if not a commander of troops it fits within the connotative meaning of the word.

That said, I sure wouldn't have said it, but she's crying all the way to the bank.

As is Joliphant, in case he was wondering.  I am an ex-Democrat with lefty friends.  I've kept that about as quiet as I have the fact that I'm a gaming geek - which is to say, not at all.

the free food?  Apparently I'm confused?  Whose night is it to buy?

Let me remedy that lack right now.  :)

right now as we speak.  The Cherry Wheat seasonal.  Umm-umm good.

I've been doing the conservative republican political thing for some time now...and don't need a lecture about why calling out ann coulter is bad for the ballot box.

A media whore? Needs a cheeseburger? The last one I agree with. She's a might skinny and could use some plumpin' up :-) What counts, however, is her capacity to think, reason, write, speak, drive home a point, answer questions, and give as good as she gets.

I think she is very serious about being a conservative. And she is a great conservative. According to you that makes me stupid. So be it.

Would you argue that Rush is not a conservative? Has he not also made statements that some considered over-the-top? How about Bill Bennett? Is a conservative to you only someone that does not ever offend your sensibilities? May as well go through life with your fingers stuck in your ears.

As too being a media whore, I have no idea what that even means, other than it is apparently not a ringing endorsement.

I was thinking peanut m & ms and mt. dew.  Unfortunately, my genes and general lack of self control have made those, too, outside of my reach.  Let me go straight to my fridge and pull out the bloody celery and LOW SODIUM (not even the REAL stuff) peanut butter and bemoan my state.  CHEERS.  I'm not at all cynical.

and he was polite and civil in his disagreement (hopefully he thinks I was as well). So, no, he doesn't expect us to all be nice little robots.

And he and I will disagree about whether or not Ann is beneficial to the conservative movement, but I doubt I'll be banned.

I also think that if push came to shove, he would have warned Ann about the comment before banning her. He seems to have a penchant for following procedure even when his emotions would lead him to other conclusions when acting in an official capacity for the web site. Besides, he'd probably calculate that Ann wouldn't back down, and then he'd be able to ban her by proper procedure. And he'd probably be right. :)

...and the more she gets on the news, the more encouraged she is going to be to continue.

She'll keep saying things, and keep pushing the line...so long as she keeps getting airtime and keeps selling books.

There's not much sense in all this denouncing.  Obviously she doesn't care about that or she would have stopped this line of talk after her FIRST book.  The only value it brings is distancing from her...but there aren't many who are going to pay attention to that.

That said, there's no sense defending her to those who find these comments offensive.  You can keep it up all you want, but as soon as she opens her mouth again, she'll offend more of us.

I hate to see such a strong conservative voice spiraling out of control.  Unfortunately, she's not the first.

I wish she would get the message.

I had to walk away and take a break because I couldn't believe this thread.

I thought there was thicker skin around here.

There are extremes in every movement, how this is taken so seriously boggles.

Sorry, I just don't get it.

She has done well for herself, the movement and everyone who has read her work. I learned calculas from a book called calculas by discovery it was a comical introduction to the subject. I might never have gotten interested in higher mathematics if it wasn't for that book. Ann is a comical introduction to the hypocrisy of the left and the philosophies of the right. I can't help but ask how many will become conservatives because they read her books.

While there may be higher callings, In a world filled with so many things that would make us weep we should treasure those that can make us laugh.

This is a really wonderfull site

I'd have stopped after 6 words.

Coulter does what is required to get around the PC left and those that do damage to the right with their non-PC statements.  Not exactly right, but someone is required to state the truth regardless of the lefts PC requirements.  She just does it with a bit more enthusiasm than most...  Yes, it may be over the top, but the facts are there.

I am sick and tired of conservatives bringing knives to gunfights.

Don't EVEN THINK about threatening me...I'LL SAY IT!!!!!!

JOHN MURTHA (FINGER IN THE AIR!!!)...THE REASON THE MARINES INVENTED FRAGGING!!!!! YES!!!!!!

what I have to say on its merits.  

She has a great capacity to think, write, speak, etc.  She's very very smart.

But I submit to you that you can tell what a person is serious about based on how that person acts.  For instance, Bill Buckley is a serious conservative.  He is so because he tries to convey ideas in a manner that will convince others to become a conservative.  That's what he tries to do (along with commentary, etc.).

What does Ann do?  She says things, which may be perfectly true and valid, but ALWAYS in the most asinine way she can think of.

We've already established that she's smart, etc.  So she ain't doing this by accident.  She says things in an offensive way, then, for a purpose other than convincing people that she's right.

Why then would she use such tactless methods?  Well, the choices are:  (1) she's stupid (we know that's not true); (2) she's just a crass person (I doubt that); or (3) her goal is to get press rather than to win in the arena of ideas.

DING DING DING.  That's our girl.

She's entertaining, I'll give her that.  But I would NEVER base an argument with a Lib on an Ann Coulter quote.  She's a hindrance to conservatism.  

Ann threw a "fit" for being attacked?  Those words are pretty loaded Neil.

And you read the comment about fragging as a threat on par with placing an add for a sniper?

I agree with the commentor below who calls you one of the intellectual forces on this site (I've been on your side in most of my postings lately as well).  But the hyper political-correctness applied to Ann is over the top.

I'll join ranks with the "decent" folk when our side shoots of at the mouth.  I've denounced M. Savage, and stopped my subscription to the American Spectator (years ago) when all they could do was mock the Clinton's daughter and buy into every conspiracy theory (Foster suicide for example) that came along.

5 + 5...  Oh well, never commented much anyway...

If someone threw a pie at me I'd throw more than a fit, I suspect.

thanks though!

If not for the frag bit, but for the Marine bit...

Perhaps.  But for her line about Plame sending Wilson to Niger being "a bring your husband to work day gone horribly wrong" I will forgive quite a bit.  

Quite honestly, if Coulter was an elected representative I might be more upset. I find the nearly daily mutterings of Howard Dean, John Murtha, Paul Hackett, Cindy Sheehan, Both Clintons, Nancy Reid, Harry Pelosi et al far more offensive.

I like that quote you have there and I just laughed at it.

If she could stick to that and be condescending without going over the top, then none of these diaries and front page stories would happen.

Well done I was mistaken

He's a serious thinker and a funny bomb thrower.  Only a few can pull that off well.

Okay, now that we are done bashing Ann Coulter to death, who's next? Let's say Ann stops writing, speaking, and, all of sudden, turns brunette. Who is the next great offender in our sights? Shall we hammer Rush into submission? How about Bernie Goldberg for his "100 People Who Are Screwing Up America" book? Major offender there, eh? Wait! Instead, let's pile on Bill Bennett for offending us with his racist comments that were no such thing. Better yet, let's wait until liberals tell us who offends them and then we will just pummel that person to death. See? We don't even have to think.

C'Mon all you offenders! Line up and get your come-up-ance. Because we all know here that if you offend anybody you cannot possibly be a conservative. You have other motives so you must be shunned, banned, folded, spindled, mutilated and thrown on the curb with the rest of the trash.

So, who's next on our list? YOU! Please step to the front of the line and prepare yourself.

make a boat load of dough ..and...get out votes.

period.

Huh. Can't help thinking of ole Tailgunner Joe. Shameless self promotion? Check. Over the top innuendo that is supposedly "truth"? Check. Tarring  those who disagree as traitors? Check. No way to censure Ms. Coulter however... Luckily, she's not as dangerous as the late Senator even in her wildest dreams.

I'd actually file him with Rush Limbaugh.  He's devastatingly funny and brings knowledge and reasoning to back up the humor, but he's not uncivil.

So you're going to ban me? You know, Coulter doesn't post here. And frankly I don't think she really has a significant influence on what community members do post, even with regard to people that like her.

Your 'my way or the highway' attitude has more in common with Coulter than it does with reasonable debate.

It's fine if you don't like Coulter.

But is bashing her really a priority? Are Democrats that correct in their thinking that we have to attack outlandish statements from the right... when every day, across the country, the left spews far worse?

There's a Dem congressional candidate in MN (Keith Ellison) who openly supports domestic terrorism. He campaigns with former SLA members and the like. He advocates killing police officers. And we have to talk about Coulter?

It's ridiculous, and this focus on her is making for less manners, not more like Moe is apparently claiming.

Are you saying that RedState may not really be that RED?  Okay, maybe they are become a bit toward the purple side...so what!  Sorry, hehe...minimal offense intented...

So the focus of Redstate should be attacking albatrosses on the right?

Sounds like a brilliant strategy. Did you take that from the kos playbook of electoral victory?

and disregarded #5 (throws opponents into apoplexy while you continue to eviscerate them) mentioned elsewhere.

4) By enganging negative emotion against your argument, you ensure that only the logic of it determines an affirmation of your position.

Personally, I think she's on #5 or some variant of an eye for an eye stance. She dishes what libs dish,  and they can't take it. Personally I think she keeps  her own sense of humor even when she throws the most outrageous of her bombs. She's applying trial lawyer tactics to a media environment.

Personally I enjoy it, but then again, I also enjoyed watching Pat pummel Michael on Crossfire before Pat stepped over the edge.

The context was "what's the first thing that comes to mind?"  I don't think her point is Murtha should be flagged.  I think her point is if it weren't for traitor Marines like Murtha there wouldn't be flagging.  She's not a fraud and he's the kind of guy that would get flagged is what came to mind.  That is neither advocating it nor condoning it.  That's a leap.

Get some skin.  It's called rhetoric which is different than a physical pie in the face.  

Let me guess. You're using one of many handles you're comfortable with on an IP address from your next door neighbor's unprotected wireless signal.  Fair enough, see you when you are reincarnated!

I've seen people say that. How exactly did that help the Republican Party?

--it's funny, it's just not appropriate to say in public.  

Oh, Ann.  Is she a Moby? :P :D

How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. (James 3:5-12)

You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 12:34-37)

You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.' But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother without cause will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew 5:21-23)

(All quotations from the English Standard Version of the Bible)

if this was said by a 27 y.o. Iraq war vet, Rep., contesting a Dem held Cong. seat...what would the true reaction here be?

my bet ...our darling.

I'll keep saying it, and find ways to keep coming back in.  Frankly, Ann Coulter is Absolutely Right!!  I have heard all the crap out of the treasonous left over the last few years, especially with the crap they still unload over Vietnam, Nicaragua, the Cold War in general, and now Iraq.  Frankly, in the classic sense of the term, a great percentage of the Democratic Party IS guilty of treason, and should be rounded up in trucks, put in camps, tried, convicted, and executed for their crime of assailing our armed forces in time of war.  The fact is that in El Salvador and Columbia, to name two examples, the use of right-wing death squads were extremely effective in breaking the power of the communists in those countries and elsewhere.  Maybe we're missing something here.

Murtha...

Kennedy...

Pelosi....

Kerry....

the Rev. Jackson....

Kucinich....

Bill and Hillary.....

the list, my friends, goes on and on....

and we are suppose to be the upholders of the 2nd Amendment...

Well, in the 50s the only way we could get a Republican elected President was to get a war hero so liberal he could have easily won the Democratic nomination as he did the Republican.

In the 60s an unabashed conservative Communist fighter only won the votes of those states who wanted to abuse federalism to keep racism institutionalized.

In the 70s the Republicans could get elected, but still preferred to nominate liberals.

In the 80s an unabashed conservative Communist fighter won in a landslide.

In the 90s few Republicans don't want the conservative label.

Me reading Coulter: Agree, agree agree agree, agree, laugh, agree, Ouch.  Agree, agree, laugh, laugh, What!? Agree, agree Uh-Oh!.

I take the weighted average approach in deciding that I like her.  

She has figured out a way to make a ton of money at the expense of what is good for the country.

Thats what I'm betting on.

So what? The JBS had nothing to do with any of that. If I recall correctly, it didn't even exist in 1964. Yes, Buckley moved to the center... which probably reduced his influence, more than anything else.

Changes in electoral patterns reflect changes in the parties, much more so than changes in voter attitudes (though those change, they often change across the board and not merely with one set of partisans).

Don't say that to me... I was talking about me being banned for agreeing with you.  It's possible that we may lose several to the PC crowd tonight...

See, I love it when one of you guys goes off the deep end. Its almost too easy. Its like you're TRYING to give republicans a bad name. Well, doesn't matter. If I judge the management here there going to ban you soon. So before you go, I'll just laugh and say this liberal is still posting here and you have to go change names.

P.S. Your support of death squads for the American political process is unAmerican. Traitor. Have a nice day!  :)

I agree with most of what you say here, but (you knew it was coming), to expand on your (3) point, her goal IS to get press as you say. Is this not the same goal that every public person has? Hence the term "public". I think that Ann and Rush have the same goal. To drive home the conservative message until everyone agrees with it. They both have huge fans, listening audiences, backers, detractors, and so forth, not because of who they are, but because of their message. Man, I really screwed up that sentence. What I mean is that the message draws the audience, makes the person "public", not the other way around.

As to your point about never basing an argument with a Lib on an Ann Coulter quote, Isn't that also true about quotes from Rush, Ingram, Bennett, and so on? What Lib wants to listen to any quote from any conservative?

Now on to Bill Buckley. The man is a God. I used to watch him on the old Point Counter-Point panels (If I remember the panel name correctly). He was VERY quick. Sharp. Amazing. He could take a liberal apart before the person knew that their hat was just handed to them.

As a party, Republicans are supposwed to sink to the same level as the Democrats?

So Both parties are to commit political suicide and leave a power vaccuum that God knows who/what could fill?

I know this may get me a warnbing at the least but, seriously, Are You Stupid?

of what is good for the country"    ?

come on.....you really believe that?

About the latest outrageous thing that Coulter said are just going to help her sell books and help her become more popular. I wonder how many additional books were sold by all the supposed outrage on the 9/11 widow comment? Many thousands for sure. I personally know people who ordered it for that very reason. Is it any wonder she says this stuff? Those of you who dislike Coulter are just playing into her hands with this outrage.

Anyone who is in, has been in, or has a family member who is the military should be able to laugh at this.  It's detestable.

And trying to play it off as a joke smears our armed forces as well.

Not. Funny.

I defended her in previous threads.  Can't say I can defend the fragging comment.  It's a really really tasteless joke.  That's it.  Jokes about soldiers killing their officers aren't funny.  Murtha's gone traitorish lately but as a Marine I can't assume he was anything but a stud.  I wish that Murtha was back.

The good news for our be-pedestaled editors at RedState is that the more Coulter makes comments like that the less she'll be taken seriously, and the more people will take her with a grain of salt.  Don't worry...no one will impugn the conservative movement because of her.  And so what if she did?  Lighten up a bit.  She's giving liberals back one time what they've given us tenfold.  Hard for me to get stuffy on this one.  Unlike Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, she speaks for no one except her self-serving commercial interests.  

There are better ways to do it than that.

I'm not one of those liberals who grudges someone a big payday.

I feel the need to distance myself from her, because I think if enough Republicans do it, then the damage she does to the image fo the Republican party will be minimized.

I'm just doing for my part what I expect lefties to do, when the prominent writers on their side say awful things.

isn't going to bring anyone to agree with you, which I am sure, since you ARE defensive you could care less about.  The bottom line is tossing the whole "so you are going to ban me now?" thing about is really old and the thing that most of the Koskids do.  Let's not do it here because it's unnecessary and pointless.  We're nicer than that, though if you push pointy sticks at others, banning isn't outside the realm of what you might deserve.

C'mon.  By enganging negative emotion against your argument, you ensure that only the logic of it determines an affirmation of your position.

No.  That is not a serious debating tactic.

Ann's problem is twofold. It's not wrong to be a self-promotor.  It's not wrong to say outlandish, mean-spirited, hateful things.

1.  She either doesn't know where the line is or she's crossing it.
   
2.  She is expecting a double standard for doing so because she's on the "Right."

Lemme dissect that joke about Murtha--- Is she suggesting that Our Boys murder their fellows outside the UCMJ as a regular practice?  Gee, where have I heard THAT this year from Iraq?

Buckley didn't move to the center in his fight with the Birchers.  He simply pointed out their hyperparanoia when they claimed that Ike was a closet Communist.  And if there is any doubt in his influence in Conservative politics, then what do call the Reagan Presidency?  It would have been near impossible to separate Reagan's electoral success from the influence of Buckley or National Review.

Republicans' vaunted support of the Military then, eh?