Obama To Curb Veterans Health Care


What's that To care for him who shall have borne the battle crap, anyway?

Throughout the course of the 2008 campaign we heard a relentless woof-woof from the Obama campaign of how they were going to take care of veterans and how John McCain, an actual disabled veteran, was going to screw veterans.

When McCain proposed allowing veterans to seek treatment outside the VA medical system by using vouchers, a blessing if there ever was one, he was pilloried by the Obama camp and the sycophantic group of faux veterans organizations that seemed to spring up like mushrooms after a rainstorm to support Obama.

Back in 2005 Obama professed to be incensed over the fact that troops in hospitals were being billed for their meals (even though those charges exactly equalled the tax free basic allowance for subsistence/separate rations allowance the soldiers were drawing).

He was serious, I tell you serious, about taking care of veterans. He was appalled, just appalled, at the insensitivity of the military departments and the VA. He appointed retired general and reputedly heroic truth teller Eric Shinseki to be his secretary of veterans affairs. General Shinseki was going to make it right:

“No one will ever doubt that this former Army chief of staff has the courage to stand up for our troops and our veterans. No one will ever question whether he will fight hard enough to make sure they have the support they need,”

Now in the midst of a $1 Trillion orgy of spending the truth becomes apparent. When it comes to veterans health care this Administration may be the most hostile to veterans since the Bonus Army was routed from DC.

Historically, service connected injuries have been treated under the famous Pottery Barn rule. You break it, you buy it. When you process onto active duty you get a physical. You get periodic physicals while on active duty. When you retire or separate from the service you get a physical. Unless otherwise documented by an investigation, it is assumed that the difference between your ending condition and starting condition, with certain allowances for fair wear and tear, are service connected. Now your service connected disability may not rise to the level of being compensable, but if it does you are entitled to medical care through the VA medical system until you are healed or for the rest of your life… which ever comes first.

In an unprecedented act, the Obama adminstration has plans to change all this:

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Now the Administration is trying to whistle and tap dance its way out of this mess by saying the insurance burden would only be shifted to those policies which can be second payers on claims.

Consider the broad implications of this.

Under the current system an employer might be said to have a financial incentive to hire a disabled veteran. In addition to getting a solid citizen as an employee, and a couple of blocks checked off on any equal opporunity survey, he can lay off the cost of health care for that employee on the VA. Essentially, he can reduce his overhead pool by some amount because the compensable veteran is already insured.

If the changes considered by the Obama Administration go into effect this would change radically. An employer hiring a veteran would have to consider whether or not the veteran had a disability which required ongoing care or therapy as this would, in most states, result in the cost of the company’s health policy going up. With a big company that has bargaining power this really isn’t much of an issue. With a small business it is a huge consideration.

Contrary to what TPM’s Elena Schor says (I don’t link to TPM), this is not a “movement to the right” by Obama. One has to assume they are calling it a move to the right because it is obviously going to cause a firestorm among veterans groups and members of congress who want their votes. If it is anything other than stiffing wounded veterans for grins it is a calculated move towards establishing the employer’s health insurance as a piggy bank for all medical expenses.

Make no mistake. This is not the privatizing of veterans medical care that Obama criticized McCain over, a policy which would have increased the access of injured veterans to medical care. This is an absolute abrogation of a century or so of policy.

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Unbelievable nt

Caleb Howe Thursday, March 12th at 1:55PM EDT (link)

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Obama anti-military and anti-corporate

teresamerica Thursday, March 12th at 8:39PM EDT (link)

Since Obama hates the clear idea of the military as well as the corporate world, he is killing two birds with one stone. He is the biggest liar of the democrat party. He wants to deplete our military of any dignity as well as depleting all the funds from hard working small business owners. I just wish the American people had seen through his charisma during the campaignand seen that he hates everything that America is all about. He wants to change this countries core values. Hopefully, the american people will see how much he is hurting this country and the economy.

America is a great country, now elect me so we can change it...

DONTREADONME Thursday, March 12th at 8:53PM EDT (link)

or something to that effect. If America is the greatest country then no one needs to change it because what is greater than greatest exactly Mr. Zerobama, Mr. Constituional Proffessor and worlds smartest man. Sheesh.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

Daggummit, greatest not great...

DONTREADONME Thursday, March 12th at 8:55PM EDT (link)

brain and keyboard not working as one tonight.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 

Core values are still intact

teresamerica Saturday, March 14th at 3:21PM EDT (link)

Our country is still a great and wonderful nation where, for the most part, Freedom rings!!!
Obama is like a heretic to this country, saying he loves this country, but proving he hates it by wanting to take away our freedoms.

The people who believe in the core values, that this country was founded on, will rise up and take it back, if Obama starts to turn this country from a republic or democracy into a totalitarian nation.
People who believe in the core values will rise up and inspire a new revolution against the leftists!!!!
He is the liar-in-chief or devil-in-chief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
 

Thanks for writing about this.

Old_Crow Thursday, March 12th at 1:57PM EDT (link)

I’ve only seen the information on some military sites and emails. Unreported in the media.
As you stated, this will be a show stopper for many small companies hiring disabled Vets.

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
“So this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause” — Star Wars III

No, it's a gotcha for companies hiring disabled vets.

Achance Thursday, March 12th at 2:08PM EDT (link)

Instead of a disabled vet preference, you get a ADA liability. It won’t take long for the word to get out and disabled vets applying whose disability isn’t obvious won’t mention it until they’re offered the job. Once the job is offered, then you have the obligation to reach reasonable accomodation and as soon as you make that hire offer, you’re on the hook for the health insurance if you offer it to others similarly situated.

In Vino Veritas

I think the gotcha

Streiff Thursday, March 12th at 2:11PM EDT (link)

is going to be a reluctance to hire veterans in general because you don’t know if they are hiding a disability and you can’t legally ask them.

Veterans are already covered by ADA, I don’t see where laying off health costs would have a lot of impact in that direction.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

I was using "gotcha" in the sense of just palming

Achance Thursday, March 12th at 2:14PM EDT (link)

the liability off to the employers using the ADA as the tool.

Currently, a lot of employers give powerful preferences to disable veterans. They won’t repeal them, because that would be impolitic, but they sure won’t go out of their way for them, so you’re right about the general reluctance.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 

Sickening...nt

Attack Mode Thursday, March 12th at 2:20PM EDT (link)

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Typical of Democrat projection

LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Thursday, March 12th at 2:43PM EDT (link)

Every single time a Democrat accuses a Republican of having some nefarious plan in mind it is an announcement to those with ears to hear that the Democrat will do that very thing if given the chance. The difference is the Democrat will give his plans some “politically correct” name to confuse the voters, whom he believes are easily fooled rubes.

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”

–Frederic Bastiat
 
 

This is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy

Jeff Weimer Thursday, March 12th at 2:31PM EDT (link)

Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Why would Obama want to shuffle off veterans from government provided care when he wants the rest of us ON it?

Does he just not appreciate that they have given a portion of their lives in service to the nation and government, and thus have a HIGHER claim for assistance than those who haven’t? Why does it seem he’s so hostile to those who have served in uniform?

“We stand at once the wonder and admiration of the whole world, and we must enquire what it is that has given us so much prosperity. This cause is that every man can make himself.” - Abraham Lincoln

“Cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience asks the question, is it right?” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

This is part of a larger agenda

Ed54 Thursday, March 12th at 3:01PM EDT (link)

It’s not about veterans for Obama. It s about doing away with private health insurance and going to single payer. Under that system, it won’t matter if the vet has a service-connected disability, since we’re all getting our health insurance from the same provider, who will be barred from considering preexisting health conditions as a basis for rates.

Of course they deny this, but you have only to look at the sum total of policies being presented to realize the truth. They are systematically setting the conditions to make private health insurance economically unviable in the next decade.

“If all men were just, there would be no need of valor.”
- Agesilaus

right on target

Streiff Thursday, March 12th at 3:08PM EDT (link)

there is no doubt that this is an effort to move towards a single payer system using the employer’s health insurance as an intermediate step.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

 
 

Obama lies

10ksnooker Thursday, March 12th at 3:28PM EDT (link)

And doesn’t care. Down in the hood it’s called jive talking, the polite way of saying “he is talking in lies”.

The simple fact is the ACTING president don’t know lie from truth. Do you think the average Kenyan would even care, as long as they were being promised free stuff.

 

Stop this Mad man now.

bobojake Thursday, March 12th at 4:17PM EDT (link)

America can not afford obama inconsistency and lies. obama tells every goup five different stories to see which one falls out, it time for obama to fall out. We don’t need or want obama knives in our back.

 

Stop this Mad man now.

bobojake Thursday, March 12th at 4:17PM EDT (link)

America can not afford obama inconsistency and lies. obama tells every goup five different stories to see which one falls out, it time for obama to fall out. We don’t need or want obama knives in our back.

 

It surely is going to cause a firestorm among veteran groups.

Steph C Thursday, March 12th at 5:42PM EDT (link)

I do site maintenance for an org here that works with homeless vets. This is going to seriously hamper their efforts as much as all the other considerations listed above.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

 

The administration has to know this is a line they simply cannot cross.

Kenny Solomon Thursday, March 12th at 6:58PM EDT (link)

The only saving grace I see is on that CNN article quoting Senator Patty (Way Left) Murray that this would be “dead on arrival”.

But Teh Mess-I-Yah will cross the line anyway, because he’s looking to take total control…… and if he has to incite a possible/probable revolution to do so, then that’s what he’ll do.

Over-reaching on steroids.

Tipping point getting nearer and nearer, day by day.

Pitchforks and torches time is almost upon us.

Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.

 

We Need a Lemon Law

daves_not_here Thursday, March 12th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

for elected officials.

“I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.”

that is so funny!!! (nt)

mom2oneson Thursday, March 12th at 7:58PM EDT (link)
 

dead on arrival - one can "hope"

anotherindyfilmguy Thursday, March 12th at 8:44PM EDT (link)

The only soldiers brownshirt nazis like the left care about are the ones who keep them in power… even the ones who bring them to power are not safe, like the originals who were purged by Herr Hitler after they helped him grab ultimate control of Germany…
Obama + Socialist = Illinois Nazi…

 

i question the timing...

ddlbb Friday, March 13th at 8:22AM EDT (link)

of michelle’s new cause, reported on all major news outlets this morning. our first lady is championing our military families. sounds like a smokescreen to me.

 

Whoever would have thought that some day I'd be counting

itrytobenice Friday, March 13th at 9:11AM EDT (link)

on Democrats on Congress. But right now I am. They are the only thing standing in between the US and total destruction. And I’m not sure they’re going to make it until the mid-terms.

The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

about counting on the congressional democrats:

ddlbb Friday, March 13th at 9:57AM EDT (link)

won’t happen. speaker pelosi is enjoying the trappings of power, and there’s no way she’s going to make waves. there are not enough blue dogs to speak reason to power and, for now, we have take it. the conservatives in this country get fed up and kick out our bums when they let us down and don’t vote like conservatives. sadly, democrats are either too power hungry, too eager to stick it to the man, too ill-informed, or just too ignorant to hold their representatives to any sort of measure. i started to say “liberals” instead of “democrats” but i don’t think most people who vote democrat are liberal; i truly think they just don’t know any better.

I think we'll get at least a couple

itrytobenice Friday, March 13th at 10:02AM EDT (link)

to help block card check.

And they’ve put the brakes on the limitations on charitable deductions and now it looks like they’re going to slap him down on screwing the vets.

They are certainly not going to save us on everything, or even most things. They are still a bunch of suck weasels after all, but I have to be glad for small favors at this time.

The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

 
 
 

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