Much of the world has been mesmerized by the situation in Iran following the election on June 12 and Ahmadinejad’s questionable victory over Mir-Houssein Mousavi.
As the protests have increased in number and intensity and the official violence directed at them has surged, much of the American public as well as the press has rallied to the cause of the protesters. The US government has also jumped on the bandwagon. An obligatory resolution supporting the protesters passed the House 405-1. Obama had ice cream. It short, the attention of the government has been riveted on what is going on in the streets of Tehran.
But does the outcome of this really matter to us? Or does it matter in the way a lot of folks think it matters?
What we’re getting wrong.
The narrative being constructed in the media portrays the Iranian protests as the spiritual descendant of the Solidarity protests in Poland in the 1980s, People Power in the Philippines (1986), the Velvet Revolution in former Czechoslovakia (1989), Georgia’s Rose Revolution (2003) and Ukraine’s Orange Revolution (2004-05) in which widespread discontent at repressive regimes led to their overthrow. They aren’t.
While there is no doubt that there are some number of protesters who wish a more liberalized political structure in Iran and an Iran more closely integrated with the rest of the world, there is no evidence that they are present in these demonstrations in large numbers.
Simply put, Ahmadinejad represents one faction of Iran’s ruling elite. Mousavi represents another. The demonstrations are a falling out amongst thieves over the future path of the 1979 Islamic Revolution.
Far from being a popular revolution the demonstrations in Iran largely are indistinguishable from the falling out between the followers of Stalin and those of Trotsky in 1926-28. I, for one, find it really hard to identify good guys in this picture.
Why The Outcome Matters.
When one cuts to the chase, the outcome of the street demonstrations matter for one reason. Tehran is on the cusp of acquiring a nuclear weapon. Our national objective should be to forestall the development of such a weapon but when that ultimately fails, our objective must be to ensure that weapon is neither used to solve the “Jewish problem” that obsesses the muslim world nor as a bludgeon to cow its neighbors.
Outside the cognoscenti, few people view the Tehran regime as a reliable, or even suitable, partner for negotiations. The regime is corrupt to its core and Ahmadinejad and his ruling claque are determined to spread Iranian influence, by any necessary means, in the Persian Gulf for no greater reason than simply to be able to say they have done so. Tehran and its nuclear ambitions are not going away in the foreseeable future but Ahmadinejad limits the tools we have to deal with the problem.
In the plus column, the regime is corrupt, unemployment is astronomical, the nation is virtually bankrupt, and drug abuse is endemic and none of these ills show signs of abating. The world economic downturn can be expected to aggravate all these conditions.
While Mousavi makes pleasing noises to Western ears about privatization of the economy and the rule of law, one cannot lose sight of the fact that Iran when Mousavi was prime minister of Iran was an enthusiastic exporter of revolution and terror. Neither should one discount what “law” Mousavi is advocating adherence to or what would be done with the extra income generated through privatization.
Nothing in Mousavi’s past or his rhetoric mark him as an inherently more stable or malleable partner in any negotiations, or capitulation, the White House is contemplating. His rhetoric on the subject of Israel during his eight years as prime minister was as inflammatory as Ahmadinejad’s, He was closely allied with Ayatollah Khomeini. His rule was characterized by the suppression of dissent. It was under him that Iran began its quest for a nuclear weapon, that the IRGC began its mentoring of Lebanese Hezbollah, that the Marine barracks in Beirut was bombed, that Pan Am 103 fell to terrorism, and the undeclared “Tanker War” was waged in the Persian Gulf.
As detestable as Ahmadinejad might be to our eyes and ears, to date he has achieved little of note beyond driving Iran’s economy farther into the crapper and ushering in a veritable Age of Aquarius of corruption and cronyism which is eroding the credibility of Islamic Revolution. Mousavi is an acolyte of the late Ayatollah Khomeini. He understands the damage done to the Islamic Revolution, especially by the incumbent, and wants to bring back the integrity of the 1979 revolution. Why we would hope Mousavi prevails escapes me.
Why Supporting the Protesters Is Necessary.
So while I think we have dreadfully misread what is afoot in Tehran, this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do something. Or in the words of some philosopher, “it’s a shame to waste a crisis.”
It is necessary that the United States to be seen as supportive of popular movements directed at unpopular regimes. I was an early adherent to President Bush’s Democracy Agenda and remain as convinced today as I ever was that the true road to suppressing transnational terrorism is government that is responsive to an electorate. Despite the odious nature of both parties, neither the people protesting nor anyone else should think that we have abandoned our commitment to human rights and liberty. Regardless of the beliefs of the demonstrators they are protesting a stolen election and the hijacking of the rule of law. Even if you violently disagree with what follows, everyone should honor the protests for the sake of our credibility. That these protests weaken Ahmadinejad are most assuredly a feature not a bug.
It is necessary that Iran’s government be replaced. Were the protesters a spontaneous gathering of heretofore closeted Jeffersonian, Hamiltonian, and Jacksonian democrats we would have to carefully calibrate our actions to prevent a repeat of the inadvertent bloodbaths our rhetoric inspired in East Germany in 1953 and Hungary in 1956. That is not the case. We are witnessing a public split amongst the revolutionary elites. Without wishing to appear overly Machiavellian, the best outcome for the United States is violent repression of the demonstrators by the security forces of the regime. There is virtually zero chance that the street protests will cause the fall of the Iranian government but they can create a permanent rupture in the inner circles of the Iranian government, further discredit Ahmadinejad in Iran and the muslim world, and weaken the regime. Those seem to me to be great outcomes.
It is necessary to forestall Iran’s possession of a nuclear weapon. As counterintuitive as it seems an Ahmadinejad regime is much less likely to be able to develop a miniaturized nuclear weapon and delivery system than a Mousavi regime. An Ahmadinejad regime weakened by internal dissent is weaker than one that it unified. A Mousavi regime that stresses privatization and anti-corruption measures, on the other hand, could very well lead to a more stable government with greater popular support and more resources to expend to develop and proliferate nuclear weapons. Given the options, dealing with a weak, discredited Ahmadinejad regime seem preferable to all others.
Why the White House is wrong.
The White House is doing its best to do nothing while giving the illusion of doing something. There view in undoubtedly shaped by the virtual certainty that neither the Army nor the Pasdaran will acquiesce in Ahmadinejad’s ouster and they will have to deal with him. This goes a long way towards explaining the White House’s tepid response to date.
Working from that assumption, the administration seems to have concluded that if it does anything more substantial than having an ice cream in the honor of the protesters will damage future negotiations. From the number of times the administration has denied interfering in Iran it seems as though Obama is working under some sort of Prime Directive. Not interfering is really not an option. By not endorsing the protests, Obama is in practice endorsing Ahmadinejad and labeling our 30-year national policy of supporting human rights as a fraud. The idea that staying silent on the protests will produce an Ahmadinejad who is more cuddly is nothing short of wishful thinking.
By their actions thus far the White House has chosen the worst of all decisions.
Its milquetoast endorsement of the protests calls into question US policy in regards to human rights in countries from Belarus to Burma.
By running like a scalded dog from the word “interference,” the administration has lost the ability to interfere in any country at any time and given a license to any despot to do whatever they wish while we safely “bear witness.”
From a purely realpolitik standpoint the administration is choosing to deal with a strengthened, emboldened Ahmadinejad in any negotiations rather than an Iranian leader who is weakened.
Even the most charitable observer must conclude that the administration’s response to a major opportunity in Iran has been fitful and unfocused. Each day more of the opportunity for us to strengthen our position in the region, and in Iran, at the expense of the Iranian government slips by. As someone smarter than me said, the reason Obama is eating ice cream is because he doesn’t have a fiddle.


It was a golden opportunity squandered.
icbm Tuesday, June 23rd at 5:43PM EDT (link)He could have helped give the (pro-Western) Iranian people a chance at overthrowing the Mullahs and gaining their freedom.
Freedom in Iran would greatly further the long-term goal of liberalizing and thereby pacifying the Middle East - more than any other step, in fact.
It would also make the question of whether Iran acquires nuclear weapons much less important. We would still care, but a democratic nuclear Iran would not pose an immediate threat to us or our allies.
what exactly are you proposing?
sheba Tuesday, June 23rd at 6:47PM EDT (link)While we are all hoping the protesters succeed, I’m not sure exactly what you propose that the US should do here. How can we help the people overthrow the Mullahs? Are you proposing sending in the military? That seems like it would do much more harm than good. Send monetary or supply aid to the protesters? Not sure how much that would help. Likewise, stern verbal rebukes, or a US “endorsement” of the protests aren’t going to make anyone change their minds. I’m really curious to hear if there are any promising proposals out there, cause I don’t see a good way to really be productive in our aid. Iran is a sovereign country and there’s only so much we can do from the sidelines. Right now I see an outpouring of solidarity from the Iranian community here in LA, and it’s amazing to watch them every day to gather in protest. I hope that their voices are heard and that things will change, but I just don’t see any way that getting our government involved will help things for the better.
i was proposing that Obama help the protestors gain their freedom
icbm Tuesday, June 23rd at 7:39PM EDT (link)1. He can start with “soft power” steps, as spelled out recently by Bill Kristol:
Statements of support for fair elections and peaceful protest; personal outreach to endangered opposition leaders (if not by us, then by Europeans–though how dramatic would it be if Sec. Clinton placed a phone call to Mousavi to make sure he’s not under arrest and is free to talk?); an immediate infusion of funds to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s Radio Farda service, which provides invaluable information from and within Iran; technical assistance against the regime’s attempts to block websites, shut down cell phone networks, etc.; suspension (by the Europeans) of various cultural and commercial contacts; pressure through international organizations on behalf of the Iranian people
2. If that doesn’t work, he can take stronger action (not that this president ever would), such as working with India and Pakistan to curtail or shut down access to refineries.
3. Ultimately, military power must be option for preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons - though I’m NOT saying we should intervene militarily now on behalf of the protestors.
Interesting
sheba Tuesday, June 23rd at 10:42PM EDT (link)Thanks for the clarification! I’ll admit, I don’t know much about the details of how things work over there, so I was curious to see what kind of ideas are out there. I completely agree with #1. I get a little nervous about more forcible acts toward regime change, since it is their country and not ours. Though we would have preferred a different outcome, It’s not improbable that Ahmadinejad did actually get a majority vote, though numerous analyses indicate that the reported margins are fishy, he was winning in the polls prior to the election, from what I have read. Meddling in foreign election results would be a dangerous precedent, though a full review of those election results would be appropriate. Anyways, I’m just rambling now.
Thanks for the discussion.
I think it is good to be nervous about that
icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 11:54AM EDT (link)although a nation’s sovereignty might not deserve the same respect when the rulers
1. seized power without proper consent from the people in 1979
2. are tyrants
3. organize and fund and actively participate in attacks on our allies and on americans (most lately on our soldiers in iraq) - and threaten to do worse with nuclear weapons
Very Excellent
Tanggor Tuesday, June 23rd at 5:47PM EDT (link)Wonderful write up of the important issues (to us).
It’s quite necessary to remember what the protesters are NOT - while still giving support to our basic values, and tending to our priorities.
Too bad Obambi won’t read it.
“It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” – George Washington
It Disagree With Some of the Conclusions Here
IJB Tuesday, June 23rd at 6:29PM EDT (link)But agree with the idea that - regardless who’s right about what’s going on (or could go on in Iran) - we need to support the protesters.
(While, simultaneously, trying to do everything we can to make Obama’s handling of this *look* as bad as it is…)
Make That - "*I* Disagree..." (nt)
IJB Tuesday, June 23rd at 6:30PM EDT (link)Interesting viewpoint
redneck_hippie Tuesday, June 23rd at 9:12PM EDT (link)When Spain was threatening to break into revolution, The USSR was doing everything in its power to prevent it from happening. The pro-revolution Spanish socialist/communist, and anarchist parties were attacked by Soviet Russia operatives and propaganda. I think it had something to do with the crackpot Marxist theory that there were phases of class warfare that had to occur in the correct order. Anyway, I would like clarification around your statement that “…the best outcome for the United States is violent repression of the demonstrators by the security forces of the regime.”
Won’t violent repression quickly shut down dissent? I see there are already “special” courts being assembled to deal with the dissenters. They haven’t let any word out yet about the inevitable “special” prisons.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23.
Enemy Turmoil
jcincy Tuesday, June 23rd at 9:53PM EDT (link)Iranians fighting Iranians means Iranians are not as able to fight someone else. This is a good thing.
Our public position should have been very clear from the beginning: any violent action by either side in the Iranian election will frowned upon by the United States and the world community, throw in some diplomatic speak… crime against humanity… demonstrates they cannot be trusted… U.N. involvement… blah, blah, blah…
Covertly we should be stirring the pot.
No way
tarheels23 Wednesday, June 24th at 12:55AM EDT (link)(liberal poster)
The important thing to keep in mind here is that the Iran government desperately wants Obama to speak harshly against it, because that would enable them to harness anti-western sentiment into a rallying point.
They are distorting Obama’s words to the exact effect of what you are asking for, and the internet savvy population in Iran and everywhere else in the world sees Iranian lies for what they are.
The last thing we need right now is further military intervention, and tough talk without backing it up with force would cause Obama’s international credibility to erode.
We need to stay out of it.
nonsense
Streiff Wednesday, June 24th at 6:37AM EDT (link)1. They are already doing this so why not actually do it?
2. You’re right, they are distortting Obama’s words because to daate he hasn’t really said anything other than we must “bear witness” to people being killed in the street.
3. Why do you guys always use “military intervention” as an argument. No one here has mentioned military intervention.
A word of advice. The next time you post on a story and ignore everything that is in the story and/or make up arguments that are not in the story you’re a goner. I don’t have time to deal with imbeciles.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
I was responding the situation as a whole
tarheels23 Wednesday, June 24th at 1:00PM EDT (link)I’ll respond to each of your points:
1) The Iran government is distorting Obama’s words, as mentioned. While they will put words in his mouth no matter what he actually says, the rest of the world can see that Iran is lying, and more importantly people *within* Iran can see that their government is lying to them.
People in Iran tend to be more connected via the internet and technology than many Americans appreciate. The “twitter revolution” is just one piece of evidence.
2) Obama has expressed a respect for sovereignty and respect for universal human rights. Clearly, we have to weigh both concerns, and right now in my opinion it is imperative not to be viewed as meddling.
3) Fair enough on this point. That argument is floating out there (and is implied in even more places), but I mistakenly dragged it into my response.
I’m surprised for the banning threat. I disagreed with this author’s interpretation and explained why, without resorting to insults or sarcasm. I know this is hostile territory, but the folks posting here seem happy to debate, and an echo chamber isn’t what anyone desires.
But I do hear you on point 3. Not my intention.
more nonsense
Streiff Wednesday, June 24th at 2:39PM EDT (link)If, in fact, over 50% of the population voted against the incumbent — and truth be known we don’t really know this to be the case — then nothing the incumbent says is going to convince those people that they are American stooges. Especially since the guy they are backing is a protege of Khomeini and advocates a purer form of the Islamic Revolution that now exists.
I find it hard to believe that any sentient being actually believes that any measurable number of Iranians hop out of bed each morning wondering about what Obama said and how that makes them look.
In the past we have not viewed sovereignty as a cloak which prevents our speaking out on human rights abuses. In fact, I don’t think a single administration in our history, before the current bunch of yahoos, has viewed speech as interference with a country’s political process. This would include even the loathsome Carter. I know that tyrants routinely claim that to be the case but until this week our president didn’t take his marching orders from them.
A debate requires the participation of people who are at least vaguely conversant on the subject. Regurgitating administration press releases doesn’t qualify.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
Thank you
tarheels23 Wednesday, June 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)I appreciate the reply.
I’m confused by your first paragraph. The issue needs to be considered on a broader scale; it’s imperative to consider the thoughts of everyone within the region.
In some respects this situation is a referendum on Islamic theocracy, so it’s more involved than the election itself. I’m not sure if this addresses that first ‘graph, and if not please clarify.
I believe Iranians on both sides of the aisle are getting out of bed generally agreeing on two major points: 1) They want to retain the right to go nuclear, and 2) They don’t want the United States or any other western nation meddling in their affairs.
Here’s a link with a couple quotes from those in Iran. This is anecdotal, of course, but I’m providing this to further explain my perspective:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_iran24.43a2557.html
Obama also has spoken more sharply against Iran, but he has done so in a measured fashion. That naturally is going to earn a label for being soft, but he isn’t the first and that criticism hasn’t been limited to liberals, either. GHWB also tended toward a more cautious approach.
I think Obama must stand up for those universal human rights while taking care not to feed the Iranian propaganda machine. Again, this is about more than just Iran. Heck, even Kissinger has issued approval of Obama’s actions thus far.
tarheels23, could you please point out recent
janis Wednesday, June 24th at 2:49PM EDT (link)events or statements from heads of state in other countries that would lend credence to your claim that Obama has ANY international credibility to erode? Other than thugs and tyrants like Hugo Chavez, I mean?
Well. ...
tarheels23 Wednesday, June 24th at 3:27PM EDT (link)People are watching him very closely, but it would seem difficult for anyone to have a strong opinion on him yet one way or the other.
That said, his comments do mirror comments made from some other diplomats.
Obama: “”This tired strategy of using old tensions to scapegoat other countries won’t work any more in Iran. This is not about the United States and the West; this is about the people of Iran, and the future that they – and only they – will choose,” the US President said. “We have seen people of all ages risk everything to insist that their votes are counted and their voices heard. Above all, we have seen courageous women stand up to brutality and threats, and we have experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets.”
Ban Ki-moon (UN): The U.N. statement said Ban “calls on the authorities to respect fundamental civil and political rights, especially the freedom of expression, freedom of assembly and freedom of information.”
“He urges an immediate stop to the arrests, threats and use of force,” it added.
The statement also said Ban called on the Iranian government and the opposition to resolve their differences peacefully through dialogue and legal means.
The bulk of the statement made clear that Ban, whose only previous statement on the crisis called for the will of the Iranian people to be fully respected, was directing his main criticism at the authorities.
Where Are the Statements of Old?
wolfgang Wednesday, June 24th at 7:39AM EDT (link)When will phrases like “Mr Gorbachov, tear down this wall!” or “Icht ben ein Berlin!” or “..We will gain the inevitable victory, so help us God!” issue forth from the American Presidency again?
The current White House occupant is shaping up to be a curious cross between Neville “We can do business with this man, Herr Hitler” “Peace in our time.” Chamberlain and Jimmie Carter wandering lost, dazed, stunned, stoned and confused in the Iranian highlands.
Perhaps its because the real business of this President lies elsewhere. ijke William Jefferson Clinton, who could ill afford distractions that appeared to be random acts of terrorism in his pursuit of the Nobel Peace Prize for bringing peace between the Arabs and the Israelis, THE OBAMBI has other primary goals in mind, like redistributing yours and my wealth and income to people he feels deserve it more?
I Present to You...
wolfgang Wednesday, June 24th at 7:47AM EDT (link)… President Wafflecone.
The people are still protesting nt
mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 1:42PM EDT (link)I love this pic
mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 1:50PM EDT (link)http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/06/22/world/20090622-iran-user-slideshow_6.html
y'all should listen to this re Iran
mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 2:20PM EDT (link)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkScOfYaQKQ
I bet we are going to hear about hundreds of deaths now.
Sorry for the 2 kowalskis
we took back our bbq invitation
mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 9:55PM EDT (link)as our response to them killing unarmed innocent people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090625/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_election
An offer for Iranian envoys around the world to attend U.S. Embassy Fourth of July parties has been rescinded “given the events of the past many days,” said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs. The invitation was part of a U.S. outreach to Iran, but so far no Iranian officials had accepted.
BHO is using Community Organizer tactics...
Max Venom Wednesday, June 24th at 2:50PM EDT (link)This is the result when BHO equates Iran to a bully living in south Chicago. If we appease him enough he’ll go away.
Your comment hits the nail on the head.. “The White House is doing its best to do nothing while giving the illusion of doing something.”
That is precisely what is going on here. BHO is attempting to salvage his promise of negotiating with the current regime without precondition. In his mind, he cannot oppose a regime he has promised to sit down with. BHO is so conflicted that he respects a regime that doesn’t even respect the human rights of it’s own citizens, shooting them down like dogs in the street.
BHO is gaming Iran for political gain. In the end, he doesn’t care who wins. He doesn’t care about the people. He only cares that he doesn’t insult the regime. And that is beyond pathetic.
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