Mark Sanford Admits To An Extramarital Affair


Governor Mark Sanford’s mysterious absence has been explained.

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford says he’s been having an affair and will resign as head of the Republican Governor’s Association.

This is a crying shame. Governor Sanford had much to offer to his country, especially at a time when the federal government seems to have lost its wits in regards to fiscal sanity. It is also a shame because it means we may have to endure yet another Mitt Romney candidacy as fiscal conservatives look for a home on 2012. On the positive side, it is better we find this out now than a year or two from now.


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Really Disappointed

exitsfunnel Wednesday, June 24th at 2:52PM EDT (link)

Of all of the names thrown around for 2012, Sanford was the one guy who could have kept my vote out of the LP column. This is really, really, really disappointing.

Sigh.

-exits

If this guy was the only guy that could keep you from voting LP,

Tbone Wednesday, June 24th at 2:55PM EDT (link)

you’re a fool.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

5 (nt)

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 2:56PM EDT (link)

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

Definitely doesn't help, though

mikefisk Wednesday, June 24th at 3:05PM EDT (link)

At this rate, the odds of the GOP nominating a candidate that libertarian-leaning conservatives will consider as a strong choice is getting less and less.

For somebody like myself, it’s becoming less of “will the GOP pick somebody I’d vote for” and more “will the GOP pick somebody that won’t make me vote Democrat just to spite them”.

The sad thing is how this will pretty much end Sanford’s career, when, in terms of his performance on the job, he’s still one of the best we’ve got.

Witness the power of not seeing the forest for the trees.

“Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant.” - Michael Fisk

7.88, -1.97

 

tbone...

swami7774 Wednesday, June 24th at 9:06PM EDT (link)

…he is.

 
 

And as long as Republicans continue to care...

farstar99 Wednesday, June 24th at 5:23PM EDT (link)

And as long as Republicans continue to care, the Democrats will win.

Their mantra, that having standards means you’re a hypocrite, has really taken hold in the conservative consciousness, hasn’t it?

 
 

Who needs idiots that either can't stay faithful

Tbone Wednesday, June 24th at 2:53PM EDT (link)

or keep from getting caught?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Fortunately we have better men and women to run

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 2:56PM EDT (link)

So back to 2010. Back to the Obama agenda and the miserable failure of the stimulus.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

Warren Buffett: U.S. Economy In "Shambles" .. No Signs of Recovery Yet

izoneguy Wednesday, June 24th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31526130

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Maybe the naive bonehead Buffet should talk to Obama

Jack_Savage Wednesday, June 24th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

After all, he’s the one that said Obama was “the man for the job”.

I hope Warren Buffet dies penniless. He did much to innoculate Obama against the “socialist” charge prior to the election (is there any question now), and he deserves every portfolio disaster he gets.

If Buffet dies penniless, Jack Savage, then Dick Durbin

janis Wednesday, June 24th at 3:21PM EDT (link)

needs a slice of that, too. I do believe that he invested in Berkshire-Hathaway back in Sept. when he got the news about the market getting ready to tank. What a swell bunch of guys, aren’t they? Just reading the news these days should qualify a person for some kind of medal if they can stomach what is going on and still remain sane and functioning.

Agreed

Jack_Savage Wednesday, June 24th at 10:02PM EDT (link)

And that goes to show that if Durbin weren’t in the Senate he wouldn’t be able to earn enough to feed a cat, much less himself.

 
 
 

A better Buffett quote

Erick Brockway Wednesday, June 24th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

Would be the one I heard today where he trashes Cap and Tax. On my phone so I can’t provide the link atm.

Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
Ronald Reagan


Chip in to get rid of “Babs” (Yes ma’am) Boxer.

Words to live by

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 4:01PM EDT (link)

The best Buffett quote is 1000% true:

” Buying a small growth stock is like seeing a rattlesnake in the corner and giving it a kick to see if it is alive.”

Of course, he said that back in the 1980s, before he lost his mind.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

But I prefer another kind of Buffet quote

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 4:02PM EDT (link)

Jimmy Buffet:

“It’s five o’clock somewhere.”

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 

Warren Buffett Slams "Cap and Trade" as a Regressive Tax on All Americans

izoneguy Wednesday, June 24th at 4:08PM EDT (link)

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

As Tanya Tucker once sang...

Jack_Savage Wednesday, June 24th at 10:03PM EDT (link)

“It’s a little too late to do the right thing now…”

 

That's it! nt

Erick Brockway Wednesday, June 24th at 11:31PM EDT (link)

Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
Ronald Reagan


Chip in to get rid of “Babs” (Yes ma’am) Boxer.

 
 
 
 

I'm beginning to believe that those "better men and women"...

wesmorgan Wednesday, June 24th at 6:17PM EDT (link)

…won’t be found among the current crop of elected officials, Republican OR Democratic, at least not at the Federal or State level.

2012 might well be the Year of the Political Unknown on both sides of the ticket - and I’m beginning to consider that a potential Good Thing(tm).

 
 

best

centryt Wednesday, June 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

to weed them out now.

 

tbone 5

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 4:35PM EDT (link)

Why can’t these men use more discretion. At least out of respect their wives and kids if married or family if they are single.

 
 

I pray

digitalhap Wednesday, June 24th at 2:56PM EDT (link)

that God protects the hearts of his wife and children.

– digitalhap

I know could you imagine

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:15PM EDT (link)

It’s difficult enough to process your own emotions and then have to deal with reminders on the media too. I would take my kids cabining or something to get away from the media.

She did just that, mom2oneson...

wesmorgan Wednesday, June 24th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

Sanford said that his wife and their kids are at their beach house, and asked the media to leave them alone. I hope that the media will do so, but I doubt it…

good for her & I hope she calls the police if the media knocks or calls nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:34PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

Timing was awful

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 2:58PM EDT (link)

but he is now obviously not the answer we needed.

He has committed the ultimate politically stupid act while hurting his family and himself.

Report (MSNBC) was that a SC newspaper has sat on this story for several months.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 

Reminder to self

AKSteveB Wednesday, June 24th at 2:58PM EDT (link)

never have blind faith in a politician, this sucks :(

Hell is other people - Sartre

A lesson all the Obama voters will learn as well

wennejunk Wednesday, June 24th at 5:03PM EDT (link)

n/t

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis

Yep, I think some of them are already figuring that out nt

AKSteveB Wednesday, June 24th at 8:34PM EDT (link)

Hell is other people - Sartre

 
 
 

Sorry, I'm Applying The 'Clinton Standard' To This

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 3:00PM EDT (link)

Having an extramarital affair does nothing to disqualify him for running for the Presidency with me.
Ditto Ensign.

At this point, all I care about is policy & philosophy.

I don’t care if you’re into furry animals - if you’re right on the issues, and you have a realistic shot at haymakering Obama, I’m still listening.

As others have said before...

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

If you’ll f–k over your wife and family, you’ll f–k over your constituents.

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

Character counts

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 3:08PM EDT (link)

So let’s all cross Sanford off our lists and move on to watching the President.

Because CNNBCBSABCNYT sure won’t.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

Yep.

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:12PM EDT (link)

Sanford is now just another person to add to the list of people to ignore.

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

 

A short time to vent is okay, Neil

civil_truth Wednesday, June 24th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

…but you’re totally correct that we do need to keep our eye on the ball - and that is all the bad stuff going down in Congress THIS WEEK, and the President’s continued mendacity in his speeches, and his mishandling of Iran.

Not to mention keeping abreast of that North Korean ship to find out if we’re going to be a paper tiger.

 
 

agreed with IJB

mangrilla Wednesday, June 24th at 3:12PM EDT (link)

I think it’s a logical fallacy to say that if he has an affair, he’ll not work for his constituents.

After all, what is he going to do, cheat on them with Arkansas (or maybe some “exotic” state like Hawaii)?

I claimed that the Bush administration had encouraged things like this:

- but I refused to give examples, when pressed.

It's not that he absolutely won't work for his constituents

Frozen_Man Wednesday, June 24th at 6:41PM EDT (link)

but how can you trust him. If a man can risk destroying his marriage, family, career, and mental harm to his children because he cannot master his lust for sexual intimacy how can you trust that he will not succumb to the lust for power, fame. money, etc. I don’t think that just because he had an affair means he will not work for his constituents but I do think it means he has made himself the center of his own world and that is a dangerous quality in a leader (although allowing self to be the center of your world can be overcome it is difficult).

“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, Thy will be done, and those to whom God says, All right, then, have it your way.” – C.S. Lewis

I want a leader who says the first statement.

_____________________________________________________________
“This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practice ourselves the kind of behavior we expect from other people.” C. S. Lewis

“Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” – Ronald Reagan

“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.” – C. S. Lewis

 
 

h/t Jaded (nt)

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:17PM EDT (link)

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

 

Absolutely !

lholsenbeck Wednesday, June 24th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

Your wife can’t trust you, and you think the country should ? Siren’s go off when I see officials like ensign and the gov.I love newt, but he’s got the same problem.

Geez, gov. You knew over a year ago that you had a shot to be president sometime in your life and you threw it away, not to mention your family’s rising star too.

And for what ? Most of us are tempted by wrongful love or lust in our lives at least once, especially those with great careers; but most of us stop short of throwing away our careers, marriages, commitments, responsibilities to others and our word.

What a loser.

Eat ‘em up Houston Cougars !

 

not true. marital infidelity does not indicate infidelity to constituents.

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:50PM EDT (link)

we make a big mistake when we exclude from politics anyone who is not fully virtuous in his personal affairs. such persons are sometimes fine public servants, even if they are flawed otherwise.

icbm, it indicates a selfishness thats best kept away from power -nt

Alberta Wednesday, June 24th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

so you would have thrown alexander hamilton out?

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 5:41PM EDT (link)

why rob ourselves of political talent to punish a personal vice?

 
 
 
 

Why would you trust a person to be POTUS just because they say the right words, but who can't keep their word?

Vaughn Harold Wednesday, June 24th at 3:11PM EDT (link)

A conservative Obama, doesn’t bet a liberal Obama.

 

It's not what he's "into" it's integrity

Frozen_Man Wednesday, June 24th at 6:17PM EDT (link)

This man made a promise to his wife when he married her and vicariously to his children. If he cannot seem to keep his word to the people that he should love the most in this world why would there be any belief that he would keep his word to perfect strangers just because he happens to represent them. He chose to do what he wanted to (in direct violation to promises he made) because it was his desire to do so. I hope that he receives grace and mercy from his family and most importantly know he can from God but it does testify as the the nature and character of the man if he cannot keep his vows.

_____________________________________________________________
“This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practice ourselves the kind of behavior we expect from other people.” C. S. Lewis

“Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” – Ronald Reagan

“Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.” – C. S. Lewis

 
 

I blame it all on

izoneguy Wednesday, June 24th at 3:02PM EDT (link)

Viagra….

These horny dudes will be the end of us.
And I think many of these affairs are cooked up by political enemies.

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Where is the anti-Viagra?

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:56PM EDT (link)

Should be a big demand for it in political circles.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

Inderal nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:58PM EDT (link)

Prozac

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 4:09PM EDT (link)

n/t

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 

I've said this a million times...

MacAoidh Wednesday, June 24th at 3:03PM EDT (link)

…but in our political culture the only folks who would put themselves through the media ringer we require in a campaign are the kinds of people whom we would shudder to have govern us.

That doesn’t excuse Sanford. What it says is we need to put some serious limits on the kind of power over our lives we give to folks like him. Does anybody really think Sanford is that much worse a guy than the gang in Congress or Obama’s administration? I think not.

You are probably right.

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 4:01PM EDT (link)

Some of them just haven’t been caught yet either by the press or by their conscience. And you can’t get much worse than Teddy K or Bill C.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

So long Mark...

TxCon Wednesday, June 24th at 3:03PM EDT (link)

we hardly knew you. Stupid moron.

 

Romney was going to run again in 2012 anyway.

NightTwister Wednesday, June 24th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

And I’m not convinced that’s a bad thing.

If we want to run *against* Government Motors it is bad (nt)

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 3:07PM EDT (link)

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

Neil, considering that we were "arguing" an hour ago ...

ZootSuit Wednesday, June 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

it’s nice to be in agreement with one another again.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

 

I had the over/under at 5 mins.

NightTwister Wednesday, June 24th at 3:19PM EDT (link)

On your reply, that is.

You won.

 
 
 

Gov. Sanford has plenty of time to fix this

sickofitall Wednesday, June 24th at 3:04PM EDT (link)

If he can attain forgiveness from his family and his Savior and from the populace of SC there’s no reason why he can’t run in 2012. After all were he to win the nomination he’d be going up against a guy who has made tons of money by proudly describing his teenage cocaine abuse. He just needs to handle this in the right way- humbly and honestly- those are two characteristics that no Democrat can bring to the table.

“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.” - Rep. Paul Broun

When a a Republican

TxCon Wednesday, June 24th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

politician come back from this to win on the national Stage? He is toast and deservedly so.

Cannot be fixed

Thomas_Hauber Wednesday, June 24th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

He was one of the candidates that I was looking at for 2012. Unfortunately if his wife cannot trust him then I certainly cannot trust him.

Next!

 
 

RE: "Sanford has plenty of time to fix this"

Josh Painter Wednesday, June 24th at 4:15PM EDT (link)

You can’t fix stupid.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

 

You can't fix stupid

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 4:18PM EDT (link)

Did he seriously think he could shack up in Argentina for a week and no one would notice?

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

Newt overcame infidelity

sickofitall Wednesday, June 24th at 4:26PM EDT (link)

Obviously he was much less stupid about it (as far as not leaving the country, etc) and he’s got a great shot at the ‘12 nomination. Then again he had 10 years to do it and even now it’s unclear if his candidacy is anything more than wishful thinking on the part of pundits and think tanks. But it can be done.

“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.” - Rep. Paul Broun

So did Guilliani (nt)

Karina Wednesday, June 24th at 4:35PM EDT (link)

Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama

 

It isn't even the infidelity

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

It’s thinking the a sitting governor can leave the country for a week to shack up and no one will know. It’s leaving your four kids on Father’s Day for “get exotic” in Argentina. It’s your staff lying about your whereabouts, whether by your direction or not (doesn’t matter; the buck stops here, etc.).

Why anyone with presidential aspirations would so much as park their car in a red zone is beyond me. If I were in such a position, I wouldn’t so much as be alone with a member of the opposite sex I wasn’t married to.

So it’s a question of judgment — or lack thereof. Of arrogance. Of hubris. Of stupidity.

Don’t we already have enough of that in the White House? I don’t want to have to defend it in my own party!

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

Not yet, he hasn't

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 6:03PM EDT (link)

“A shot” isn’t getting elected. There are plenty of people who won’t vote for him, and this is one reason why.

To the extent that a successful presidential candidate needs the support of social conservatives, Newt and Rudy aren’t going to get it.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 
 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Sanford. (nt)

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

And thanks for nothing. (nt)

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

 

Argentine Tango Uniform Career

blooch Wednesday, June 24th at 3:17PM EDT (link)

Maybe he’ll be the next Old Guy on “Dancing with the Stars”…couldn’t be worse than Jerry Springer.

“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth

"Dancing with the Stars"--

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

I was hoping that he’d come back to tell us that he’d been in Argentina learning the tango for DWTS. Instead, he’d just been tangoing.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 
 

Ouch

jfpurdue01 Wednesday, June 24th at 3:07PM EDT (link)

I am very disappointed. Perhaps this is why he has continued to refute anyone who suggests he might run for President. I would still vote for him if there was no other fiscal conservative that I thought would stay true to those principles.

You are one of the few. nt

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 

More than what I just wrote, infidelity

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:48PM EDT (link)

tells others more than what you believe, more than what you think. It tells people what you are. If you’re a Democrat, it doesn’t provide new information, but for a Republican it’s important and disqualifying.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

Correction

wennejunk Wednesday, June 24th at 5:14PM EDT (link)

but for a Republican it’s important and disqualifying.

I’d say “for a conservative it’s important and disqualifying”.

One of the reasons the right gets hit, and hard, with charges of hypocrisy is that we profess to believe and support certain values, but then go on to show we believe those values apply to others and not ourselves.

The left makes no such professions - everything being relative - and therefore it is hard to pin stuff like this on them.

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis

 
 

agreed, jfpurdue

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:52PM EDT (link)

what counts is policy

 

agreed, jfpurdue

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:52PM EDT (link)

what counts is policy

 
 

Fortunately, Pawlenty and Baldacci (Maine gov) might lead the way

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

That is, Baldacci could be a good alternative for non-Leftist Dems

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)

The Baldacci that signed the gay marriage bill?

sickofitall Wednesday, June 24th at 3:17PM EDT (link)

Sorry, he belongs in Hell not the White House.

“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.” - Rep. Paul Broun

He's a Dem. The Dems embrace that stuff now.

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:23PM EDT (link)

I would love it if a new Dem leader rose up to oppose gay marriage, but I doubt it will happen

 

That's a bit much, no?

Old_Dominion Wednesday, June 24th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

I hardly think he deserves a place in hell for something as trivial as that.

Where did the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah end up?

sickofitall Wednesday, June 24th at 4:06PM EDT (link)

Unless the offender (and in this case the enabler, though I don’t put ANYTHING past a Dem) asks for and receives forgiveness from their Savior, homosexuality is certainly a damnable offense.

“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.” - Rep. Paul Broun

Huh?

jonreagan Wednesday, June 24th at 4:51PM EDT (link)

I’ll assume you’re serious….but your reaction seems a little severe.

As to party labels, and “not putting ANYTHING past a Dem”, that’s a little simplistic. I’d probably take Ben Nelson over Olympia Snowe at this point, and two (maybe even three) Democratic Governors over Mark Sanford.

Not serious?

sickofitall Wednesday, June 24th at 5:08PM EDT (link)

I think that Gay marriage in specific and the advancement of the homosexual agenda in general is as big a threat as there is to the moral underpinnings of America. A Governor of any state, let alone a state that should be solidly Republican, signing a bill like that atrocity of his own free will represents a mighty blow to the strength of our union and the future of our children. Yes I’m serious.

I should have been more clear about the comment you quote- I meant that Baldacci is not a homosexual as far as I know, but I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if he pulled a McGreevey, especially in light of his endorsement of that abomination of a bill. As for the rest of your comment- Snowe and Collins are an embarrassment to the party. Sanford slipped and it hurts, but his head is in the right place as far as policy goes. He can redeem himself if he puts his mind and his heart into it.

“You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany.” - Rep. Paul Broun

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

No Loss Here

LAWizard Wednesday, June 24th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

I never really cared for him. Glad to see him dropped from the picture.

 

My two cents.

Chemical Sam Wednesday, June 24th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

I’ll point out one major difference between Sanford’s affair and others, and then quit.

He’s being compared to the likes of McGreevy, and Spitzer, already. Haven’t heard a peep about a comparison with Bill Clinton, yet, oddly enough. After all, Clinton has his pants around his knees in Little Rock as soon as his other hand was down from swearing in.

What makes Sanford’s extramarital affair so much less egregious than those of the Democratic counterparts I mention above is that he didn’t abuse the power of his office.

I don’t know where Senator Ensign’s potential abuse of power may lay, so I can’t really side him up. But I do see the difference between what happened here, and what’s happened elsewhere. Where this sort of thing is half-expected, it’s often fully realized.

The only people that should have a beef with Mark Sanford are his wife, family, and friends. We have nothing to do but learn from his mistake, and ensure that the Democratic Party doesn’t make a wholesale mockery of the man for their own political gain. Hands up anyone who doesn’t believe they’ll try to run the entire GOP to the ground for this, like a bunch of shameless hyenas.

Do I want him to resign? NO. I want Governor Sanford to keep throwing money back in the federal government’s face. And then I want every other governor who hasn’t followed that lead to start doing the same.

My way out of a recession or depression: Start a new company and start making some serious money! The lab is now ready! — http://www.criterionchemical.com

That said, I do think he's <I>persona non grata</I> for the White House now.

Chemical Sam Wednesday, June 24th at 3:22PM EDT (link)

Bill Clinton set the unhappy precedent, and it helped catapult Tammy Wynette into the NY Senate seat, where she will probably live out her life, and I hope we may never see such a thing again.

My way out of a recession or depression: Start a new company and start making some serious money! The lab is now ready! — http://www.criterionchemical.com

 

Taking Sanford's type of trip would have jeopardized

Uma Richie Wednesday, June 24th at 3:32PM EDT (link)

the security clearance of the Pentagon’s janitor. I’d categorize it at the same level, in public trust terms, as Spitzer’s behavior.

I do appreciate your positive outlook, even if I don’t share it.

……………………………………………………………………………..
“We hold our heads high, despite the price we have paid, because freedom is priceless.” -Lech Walesa

 

he also didn't break the law (as far as we know)

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:54PM EDT (link)

unlike spitzer with a prostitute

and clinton with harassment and then perjury

Actually...it has to be noted...

wesmorgan Wednesday, June 24th at 6:23PM EDT (link)

…adultery is a crime in South Carolina.

$100-$500 fine, 6-12 months in jail, or both.

If he committed adultery in SC (as opposed to Argentina), he did break the law. We could certainly debate the law’s importance in the 21st century (SC also renders fornication criminal), but it’s on the books.

 
 

Im not familiar, did this guy run on or make a bid deal out of family values?

Alberta Wednesday, June 24th at 4:04PM EDT (link)

because if he did he needs to resign yesterday.

GOP is doing a great job of cleaning up that brand image, by the way.

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

He did but I think he needs to finish his term

Karina Wednesday, June 24th at 4:12PM EDT (link)

They don’t need Andre Bauer in office. This whole state administration has been full of problems.

Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama

He may not get a chance to finsish his term.

Josh Painter Wednesday, June 24th at 4:22PM EDT (link)

Word out of SC is that Sanford’s enemies in the legislature are going to impeach him.

http://tinyurl.com/ljxv4r

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” - Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

That Will Destroy The SC GOP

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

I hope they’re not dumb enough to even try that.

That’s about the only thing that will permanently send SC back to the ‘D’ column.

They are dumb enough

Karina Wednesday, June 24th at 4:31PM EDT (link)

The SC legislature (leadership) is vindictive and will be out for his blood. Sanford has stomped on too many of their toes too many times. They needed it and more but unfortunately, I can see them going after him regardless of the cost to the state or the GOP.

Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama

 
 
 
 
 
 

Exit Stage "Buh Bye"

kowalski Wednesday, June 24th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

“I spent the last five days crying in Argentina.”

There should be a questionnaire or something for prospective Republicans now when they want to aspire to national politics:

“Are you screwing someone other than your wife?”
“Are you screwing someone who gave you money?”
“Are you screwing yourself?”
“Are you screwing your dog?”
“Are you screwing people in Argentina’s dogs?”
“Are you an idiot?”

Kowalski, I fear that last question would eliminate ALL our potential candidates [nt]

ZootSuit Wednesday, June 24th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

They still don't get it.

kowalski Wednesday, June 24th at 3:32PM EDT (link)

Professional politicians who have these kinds of liabilities just cannot be a part of the Republican Party.

The Democrat party will still welcome and forgive them, but it doesn’t go, and will never go, for Republicans.

Mitt Romney is now my odds-on favorite for the next Republican nominee. That’s probably disastrous because no Conservative wants him. I respect the people who don’t, but I don’t see any choices right now.

Besides, as Mark Sanford has proven today, it’s all smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t matter who the nominee is in Republican politics today. We could nominate Bozo the Clown posthumously and he’d be more electable than anyone we have right now.

Congratulations to Team Obama: they have successfully eliminated all their potential adversaries.

Looks like 8 years of Barack.

Kowalski, I laughed so hard in agreement with your post ...

ZootSuit Wednesday, June 24th at 3:35PM EDT (link)

that I literally started to cry.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

I'm not happy to say it

kowalski Wednesday, June 24th at 3:46PM EDT (link)

But it’s like, you could SMELL this coming. When the AP started jumping on the “where’s Sanford” bandwagon you knew the whole thing was going to end in disaster, because the conclusion was already known in advance.

Sanford ended it before someone trotted out the pictures. It’s also payback for John Edwards. Did any of these guys think they were not going to have that kind of payback when the Democrats swept the country?

Barack Obama and his people are some of the best political minds in the world. They have structured their administration to eliminate adversaries, even within their own party at the highest echelons, and maintain an aura of invincibility. They didn’t neglect the potential Republican challengers to the throne.

Republicans who didn’t realize this are being shown how wrong they were.

It’s payback for John Edwards and it’s also an excellent move in the chess game. Republicans have to stop playing the game like they do if they want to win.

5 Kowalski nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:53PM EDT (link)
 
 
 
 
 

My two cents.

Chemical Sam Wednesday, June 24th at 3:16PM EDT (link)

I’ll point out one major difference between Sanford’s affair and others, and then quit.

He’s being compared to the likes of McGreevy, and Spitzer, already. Haven’t heard a peep about a comparison with Bill Clinton, yet, oddly enough. After all, Clinton has his pants around his knees in Little Rock as soon as his other hand was down from swearing in.

What makes Sanford’s extramarital affair so much less egregious than those of the Democratic counterparts I mention above is that he didn’t abuse the power of his office.

I don’t know where Senator Ensign’s potential abuse of power may lay, so I can’t really side him up. But I do see the difference between what happened here, and what’s happened elsewhere. Where this sort of thing is half-expected, it’s often fully realized.

The only people that should have a beef with Mark Sanford are his wife, family, and friends. We have nothing to do but learn from his mistake, and ensure that the Democratic Party doesn’t make a wholesale mockery of the man for their own political gain. Hands up anyone who doesn’t believe they’ll try to run the entire GOP to the ground for this, like a bunch of shameless hyenas.

Do I want him to resign? NO. I want Governor Sanford to keep throwing money back in the federal government’s face. And then I want every other governor who hasn’t followed that lead to start doing the same.

My way out of a recession or depression: Start a new company and start making some serious money! The lab is now ready! — http://www.criterionchemical.com

This is a repeat of a reply above.

Chemical Sam Wednesday, June 24th at 3:27PM EDT (link)

Use the upper one to vent spleen, please.
Let Sanford finish his term and cause Obama lots of trouble.

My way out of a recession or depression: Start a new company and start making some serious money! The lab is now ready! — http://www.criterionchemical.com

 

I wouldn't go quite that far...

wesmorgan Wednesday, June 24th at 3:39PM EDT (link)

You wrote, “What makes Sanford’s extramarital affair so much less egregious than those of the Democratic counterparts I mention above is that he didn’t abuse the power of his office.”

Leaving the affair out of the picture:

1) He basically abdicated his job for a week.

2) He did not tell his staff how to reach him. Law enforcement authorities (i.e. folks who report to him) could not reach him.

3) He did not ensure the continuance of executive authority. (Heck, our last Governor turned power over to the Lieutenant Governor before undergoing a two-hour outpatient surgery, just in case anything came up while he was sedated…)

4) He went abroad solo, without security. (This is arguably minor, but Americans ARE often targeted abroad.)

All of these show a frightening level of irresponsibility. Whether it’s an abuse of one’s authority to do all of the above “because one can” seems a distinction without a difference.

I still don't buy this one.

evanm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

1. It’s called a “vacation.” Important people take them from time to time.

2. “The governor said he cut his trip short after his chief of staff, Scott English, told him his trip was gaining a lot of media attention and he needed to come back.” Sounds like he was reachable to me.

3. This is governed by the South Carolina constitution.

4. This threatens him, not the state.

Do I think this was awful? Yes. Do I think he should resign? Yes. But Americans do not require our politicians to wait on us hand and foot to keep us safe. Especially at the state level. We are perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves, thank you very much.

I’d rather more of them disappeared from time to time, personally.

This was not an abuse of power because he didn’t use his office to elevate himself above the law.

 
 
 

I like Pawlenty, he's a little under the radar

Cheryl Wednesday, June 24th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

and that’s an ok thing (IMO) at this time.

and accomplishing great things in minn

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:26PM EDT (link)

we'll see after the supreme court ruling...

naraht Wednesday, June 24th at 3:30PM EDT (link)

I’m not sure Pawlenty has any good choices after the State Supreme Court rules (if it rules for Franken). Just about every choice ticks off someone.

what does the supreme court ruling

Cheryl Wednesday, June 24th at 5:45PM EDT (link)

have to do with Pawlenty? I’m sure they’ll rule in Franklin’s favor,

 

Cheryl's question is mine, too

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 6:59PM EDT (link)

What’s the connection?

 
 
 

Wanted: One Asexual Politician

juumanistra Wednesday, June 24th at 3:31PM EDT (link)

I’d be willing to settle for a eunuch, though.

Honestly. Given the number of pols who in the past few years have been humiliated or deposed because of their sexual antics, one would think that the great lesson of keeping one’s pants on would’ve sunk in by now.

Unfortunately, doesn’t seem to have for the good Gov. Sanford.

Maybe its time for a women

wennejunk Wednesday, June 24th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

Not that they can’t/don’t drift too, but I’m guessing Sarah Palin would not have this problem.

There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ -C. S. Lewis

 
 

Don't Throw Romney Under The BUS

texas214 Wednesday, June 24th at 3:32PM EDT (link)

Just because somenone we all liked has completely let us down is no reason to throw Romney under the bus. He may in the end be the best candidate for the job; without trying has more chops on foreign policy than Obama and will look like a genius on fiscal/economic matters. “It’s the economy stupid!!!!” and that may be where Romney shines.

Every chance they get...nt.

NightTwister Wednesday, June 24th at 3:33PM EDT (link)
 

Spitzer or Vitter?

Swisher Wednesday, June 24th at 3:36PM EDT (link)

So does he resign like Eliot Spitzer? or stay on the job like David Vitter, Ensign, etc?

He resigned from the Gov. Association...

George Claghorn Wednesday, June 24th at 3:40PM EDT (link)

…so we’ll see what he decides to do with respect to his job.

“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.

For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.

You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline

 

Spitzer broke the law. You know... the law? nt

randy streu Wednesday, June 24th at 8:45PM EDT (link)
 

ARGH!!!!

ContraMundum Wednesday, June 24th at 3:37PM EDT (link)

I am SO SICK of these idiots who keep getting elected into office.

I am sick of them all!

———————————————————————–
“It must not be supposed that folly is as powerful as truth,
just because it can, if it likes, shout louder and longer than truth.”

–Augustine

 

Very disheartening

peg_c Wednesday, June 24th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

I’m more than a little sick of politicians who can’t keep it in their pants, I mean seriously. Are they all immoral idiots?

When you have no character or morals (i.e. you are a DEMOCRAT), this is a career-enhancer as we all know. We need better Republicans, unless we really are going to cease being the party of character and values.

Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.

or at least learn to be discreet nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:48PM EDT (link)
 

Don't "Lott" This Guy

Bob_Frazier Wednesday, June 24th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

Please let’s not destroy our own yet again. He hasn’t killed a young woman in his car. His boyfriend is not running a homosexual whorehouse out of his apartment. They didn’t find thousands of dollars in his refrigerator.

After all, its ok to lie about sex. Plus, its between him and his wife. We have learned that at least. Just call his accusers trailer trash.

All these democrats (and republicans) who have suddenly become social conservatives. Don’t buy it.

Don’t destroy our own. Don’t “Lott” the guy.

5 Bob nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:46PM EDT (link)

"After all, its okay to lie about sex." ORLY?

janis Wednesday, June 24th at 3:49PM EDT (link)

Since when are there instances that lying is hunky dory? Go ahead, point to the Commandment that is phrased “Thou shalt not lie–unless it’s about sex.”

I will

Bob_Frazier Wednesday, June 24th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

You can find that commandment in 2nd Clinton, Chapter 1998 Verse 1-12,543

 
 
 

So wait...

flip Wednesday, June 24th at 3:43PM EDT (link)

Was he having the affair while he was missing? Cause if you miss fathersday with your kids and wife to have an affair that might not be something you can come back from…

a bit of advice "flip"

Streiff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:49PM EDT (link)

you’d do well to stay out of this conversation. This doesn’t involve you.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Chill man

flip Wednesday, June 24th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

I am just asking question, why the heck doesnt this involve me? You have no idea anything about me…

you seem to be under a misconception

Streiff Wednesday, June 24th at 3:58PM EDT (link)

1. I checked your comment history.

2. When I tell you to butt out you’d be well advised to do so.

3. None of this matters any more because you were too freakin stupid to figure out #1 and #2.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

 
 
 
 

Senator Thurmond

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 3:44PM EDT (link)

He had an affair with a fifteen year old employee of his family, they had a child, he wasn’t even involved in raising her, he served forever. Why the double standard and Sanfords resignation. Why did the republicans allow him to serve forever and Sanford is getting thrown under the bus.

The media

flip Wednesday, June 24th at 3:50PM EDT (link)

Blows everything out of proportion nowadays and its just bad PR so to defend themselves they will try to distance themselves. In actuality although what he did was wrong it doesnt affect his ability to run a state. In cases where powers were abused definetly a different case.

 

excellent point

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

n/t

i didn’t even know that about thurmond

 

Let me count the ways.

Flagstaff Thursday, June 25th at 1:39AM EDT (link)

From wikipedia

It happened in 1925, when he was 22 and not in politics. He would have been a Democrat at the time. He piloted a glider into France on D-Day. He didn’t enter national politics until he ran for President in 1948, when his daughter was 23. He didn’t abandon her, he helped support her.

IOW, it was irrelevant. And he’s dead.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

I'm just sick right now

Karina Wednesday, June 24th at 3:46PM EDT (link)

I campaigned for a state senator with Sanford and respected him as a person. This is all very disappointing. Sad to see a good one go.

Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama

 

Why the shot at Romney?

rfpzzzzz Wednesday, June 24th at 3:49PM EDT (link)

I am curious why you took a shot at Romney . He would have done much better with the economy than any of the other candidates.

 

Well, if Sanford wants to be President

mbecker908 Wednesday, June 24th at 3:49PM EDT (link)

all he has to do is change parties now and wait until 2016.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

funny -nt

Alberta Wednesday, June 24th at 4:08PM EDT (link)

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

 
 

One Point to Make

joezilch Wednesday, June 24th at 3:53PM EDT (link)

Why do so many of you hold politicians up to an abnormal standard? About 50% of marriages end in divorce, mostly because of infidelity. Do you stop working for your boss if he has an affair? Do you fire employees? Do you stop eating at a local diner because the owner wasn’t faithful? Do you demand a new mailman or dogcatcher?

Of course not. You look at job performance and move on with your life wishing the families get through everything okay but knowing that dysfunction is the new nuclear family.

Learn from the (D)s here — The Personal is only Political if you let it work against you and your interests. They own it and move on, you let shame overtake you and walk away allowing them to win and thus keeping the personal political.

Somebody, somewhere, said something smart enough to be in my signature, I just cannot decide which statement, from when, should win.

5. Just 5.

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 4:02PM EDT (link)

If people want to understand why the GOP is in such disarray, and *LOSING*, you need only look at this thread.

Sorry folks - at the point, all I care about is *winning* with someone who will implement an *agenda* that I support.

That’s it. Everything else is bupkis…

Not quite right.

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 4:10PM EDT (link)

Sorry folks - at the point, all I care about is *winning* with someone who will implement an *agenda* that I support.

Mark Sanford is now no longer electable at the national level. Every story about him would start with, “Mark Sanford, who had an extra-marital affair…”

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

Indie Voters Don't Care About This Cr*p

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 4:21PM EDT (link)

And neither do D’s.

The only ones who do are a shrinking slice of the GOP electorate who will alienate the rest of the party if they keep these antics up of shooting every imperfect candidate all to Hell.

As of right now, if a GOP Primary came down to Romney vs. Sanford, I’d put hard money here that Sanford would still beat Romney *today* (and will beat him by much more in about a year’s time).

Just so we’re clear here - I’m in the camp that would like to see marital adultery restored as a *chargeable criminal offense*.

The fact is, it isn’t, and won’t soon be.
Further, almost no one in the electorate cares about this stuff anymore, as shown by now-prevalent ‘Clinton Standard’.

(And Spitzer of McGreevey are in a totally different category on this one - what those guys did is so much worse than Sanford, it’s laughable to try and equate them.)

All I, and I’d wager to say most GOP voters, care about at this moment is getting a candidate who can 1) beat Obama, and 2) implement a truly conservative agenda.

As of right now, Sanford hasn’t done enough to be credibly eliminated as a possibility of being able to pull this off.

+1

joezilch Wednesday, June 24th at 4:26PM EDT (link)

Well said IJB.

Somebody, somewhere, said something smart enough to be in my signature, I just cannot decide which statement, from when, should win.

 

Without excusing in any way the mess Mark's made

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

I find myself in agreement with much of what you’ve said here,

Does the fact that someone broke their marriage vows play into my evaluation of his/her character? Absolutely. Do I think this is no big deal? No, I haven’t changed my party affiliation.

I know of people who have never cheated in their marriages whose other ‘qualities’ such as temperamaent, patience, generosity, etc. are wholly lacking. I also know those who, for a variety of reasons unique to their own situations, possessed all and more of the above traits who became so frustrated in their marriages that they did the unthinkable.

But the feeding frenzy I’m witnessing here reminds me of some of my ardent pro-life SoCon friends who wouldn’t get behind Fred for the simple reason that, despite everything else he accomplished that they agreed with, he wasn’t in favor of an HLA.

That’s why I think the most cogent phrase you wrote may have been: …(They)will alienate the rest of the party if they keep these antics up of shooting every imperfect candidate all to Hell.”

We do have the tendency to let the pursuit of the perfect become the enemy of the good.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

 

Certainly, Dem's don't care.

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 6:38PM EDT (link)

At least they don’t when it’s one of them who does it. They care a lot when it’s a ‘Pub and they can make hay with it. And the ones who can make hay with it are the ones who publish newspapers and write alphabet news copy.

You can assert that “Indie Voters Don’t Care About This Cr*p,” but it’s still just an assertion. I assert that there are plenty of I’s who would consider the whole thing as very poor decision making during critical times. Not a good point for anybody.

Who would win the ‘Pub primary, Romney or Sanford? There won’t be one. Sanford just removed himself as well as John Edwards did, even though I agree with you that Sanford’s level of error is far below his or any of the people you mentioned. The important question is, who would win the general election, one of them (or someone else), or Obama?

Further, almost no one in the electorate cares about this stuff anymore, as shown by now-prevalent ‘Clinton Standard’.

The press can make them care, as in the Mark Foley affair. He went down for practically nothing, and he took the rest of the ‘Pubs with him. (I just searched for “representative sex scandal” and Mark Foley was the second entry, and two of the first five.) And he was simply a Representative, not a Senator or Governor with Presidential aspirations.

As of right now, Sanford hasn’t done enough to be credibly eliminated as a possibility of being able to pull this off.

This is called whistling past the graveyard. He may not even be able to pull off remaining in the governor’s seat. And, BTW, Sanford has done nowhere near anything to make me think he would have been the best candidate for 2012, even without this scandal.

Also, BTW, don’t mistake someone making a short analysis of the situation as anything other than that.

The only ones who do are a shrinking slice of the GOP electorate who will alienate the rest of the party if they keep these antics up of shooting every imperfect candidate all to Hell.

Seems to me that this candidate shot himself. But it’ll be the press who buries him if he tries self-resuscitation.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 
 
 
 

What an idiot

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 24th at 3:57PM EDT (link)

Never mind the moral implications, he’s a complete moron. I cannot even begin to list the ways in which what he’s done is beyond stupid. I am sputtering with anger at the way he’s made the entire GOP and conservatives look dumb.

He didn’t just betray his wife and children. He betrayed us all.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

Can We Set This In Stone Once and For All?

ATLconservative Wednesday, June 24th at 4:09PM EDT (link)

As a politician, especially a Republican one, please assume you are being watched 24/7, and that any indiscretion you make will be made public.

So, please do one of the following based on your particular situation:

1) If you either have or are of the character type who could possibly commit adultery, do not run for office. (I know using “potential” as a filter disqualifies a lot of people, but isn’t that the point - to be picky when choosing office-holders?)

2) If this urge to merge comes along once you’re already in office, pull a a Specter before you’re found out.

That is all.

 

Sanford MUST resign Governorship

Lee Hempfling Wednesday, June 24th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

We cannot scream at Clinton, Spitzer and the rest if we don’t back that up with cleaning up our own house! Sanford has much in his closet that would preclude ANY comeback, so take the position… an idiot who makes this move does NOT deserve to rule ANY government, especially as a Republican. Kick the jerk OUT of the party, make him resign his office, get RID of this slime ball NOW!

This Is Truly Idiodic (nt)

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 4:13PM EDT (link)

Yeah, let us know how that goes

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 4:14PM EDT (link)

I’m more interested in going after the President of the United States for taking over, totalitarian-style, General Motors.

And threatening to do the same to medical care nationwide.

But you do let us know how your vendetta against Sanford goes. Me, I just plan to oppose him in any future primaries. That should do the trick for taking a stand for values.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

I agree with you about GM.

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 7:59PM EDT (link)

Why is it that nobody outside of Fox News even mentions it? Does the WSJ take it on? I don’t think even CNBC cares.

If government-run health “care” can destroy private insurance, what will GM do to Ford?

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

I don't know why that would be the case

Streiff Wednesday, June 24th at 4:18PM EDT (link)

I think his viability as a presidential candidate has suffered a sucking chest wound but what he did really wasn’t a crime. Resignation seems a bit extreme.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

 
 

I promised Achance I would say this, so I will ... Stevens

Dave_in_Fla Wednesday, June 24th at 4:16PM EDT (link)

Everyone jumped on Stevens with a lynch mob mentality, and look how that turned out in the end. So I’ll be the one to say it. I don’t give a rats rear end if Sanford had an affair with a goat. Guess what? When I look at the field of candidates for 2012 I don’t see Jesus among them. Shall we run down the list of people who have had affairs that are politically viable?

Clinton (x3 million)
Gingrich
Guilianni
Vitter
McCain
Kennedy (if he wasn’t on death’s door)

Fine, enjoy your expression of moral outrage, but I find it interesting that while expressing disgust and pledges to ostracize Sanford from a political future, y’all immediately decry how horrible Romney is, while he fully meets all of the moral criteria you insist on.

So make up your minds, what do you want? Because you are rapidly driving toward 8 years of Obama and Jesus isn’t going to be on the ballot.

As for me, I don’t care too much, I plan to vote for Jindall, Palin or Romney. Sanford was never on my list.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

List is way off.

Flagstaff Wednesday, June 24th at 8:07PM EDT (link)

Two of them are Democrats, and we know they can get away with manslaughter without even being tried.

Three are senior ‘Pubs who have never stepped in front of a national camera to say “I cheated on my wife.”

You think Vitter is viable?

Ted Stevens was tried and found guilty. The fact that his trial was rigged is a different problem.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

I feel horrible for his wife and kids

aesthete Wednesday, June 24th at 4:17PM EDT (link)

I can’t imagine how much suck it must be for them to hear this only two days after Father’s Day–or after any day, really.

That said, I think that it’s unwise for us to pretend that this has to do with his performance as Governor in SC, which seems to have been pretty good, by all accounts. Had he been an unknown quantity, I would probably see this as more important than it is, but given that he’s apparently governed in a manner consistent with conservative principles for some time, I don’t see how this revelation really affects much of anything. It’s unfortunate, both from a political and personal standpoint, that he couldn’t keep it in his pants and be faithful to his wife, but it would be even more unfortunate if his resignation meant that the taxpayers of SC would get screwed by the new Gov. Next primary, get rid of the bum, but until then, the damage has been done, and we have to keep in mind that it was a grievous sin committed against his wife and God, and not against the taxpayers.

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand

“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC

 

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone

Kyle-MI Wednesday, June 24th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

Affairs are not just a problem of politicians or celebrities. Just look at the divorce rate and out-of-wedlock birth rates in this country. If we set a standard of moral perfect for office then we might as well adapt anarchy because no-one will be qualified.

As far as I have heard the story, he did not break any laws and did not abuse the office of the Governor. In addition to the affair he did a few foolish things that will count against his re-election, but they should be balanced against the rest of his performance as governor. I don’t see anything in this situation, yet, that requires him to resign.

In addition to the moral damage, this does hurt him politically and will count against him for both re-election as governor as well as a run for any other office including the presidency. Should it disqualify him from seeking any other office? I refer you to the title of this post. Let’s see how he handles his office and personal life for the next few years.

 

What a Hypocrite!

joezilch Wednesday, June 24th at 4:30PM EDT (link)

I thought the GOP was against outsourcing and illegal immigration!

j/k — I couldn’t help it when I heard from where the mistress hailed.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Somebody, somewhere, said something smart enough to be in my signature, I just cannot decide which statement, from when, should win.

5! :-) nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 4:37PM EDT (link)
 

Too much snark in this piece

Kate_Shanahan Wednesday, June 24th at 4:37PM EDT (link)

not enough substance. I look forward to a Mitt Romney candidacy. A bit of intelligence and restraint would be refreshing.

I’m wondering when we can stop demeaning our candidates and talk about their positions. We’re lucky to have someone of the caliber of Mitt.

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

Agreed, Kate

The_Rebel Wednesday, June 24th at 6:06PM EDT (link)

Now we just have to convince Streiff and a few others around here. :)

 
 

I Think Sanford May Be Redeemable

Swamp_Yankee Wednesday, June 24th at 4:40PM EDT (link)

He seems like a man in serious distress; very remorseful and got out in front of it as soon as he could.

As far the Governor’s Office, I’ll let S. Carolinians judge him for that.

The biggest setback for him is POTUS 2012. That’s over. He doesnt look like a guy emotionally stable enough to handle a 3:00 A.M. moment and he wont for a long time.

Who knows what will happen some time down the road.

 

"Endure" Romney in 2012?

GOP84 Wednesday, June 24th at 4:42PM EDT (link)

You must be joking. Romney is by far the best shot we’ve got at winning the White House in 2012. I’d even say he was the best shot we had in 2008. If we hadn’t blown it by nominating the worst possible candidate (McCain), we could’ve at least closed the gap.

This only reinforces the fact that Romney is the right man for the job in 2012. Huckabee’s a joke. Gingrich has scandals of his own. And Palin might make a good VP but I don’t think she could win at the top of the ticket.

We’ve got to face it, unless we nominate some unknown dark horse with no skeletons in the closet, Romney’s the only chance we have in 2012.

And here we go......

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, June 24th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

Can’t we wait just a little while longer before we start pitching our favorites and deriding the rest?

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

I was just about to boost Bob Corker for 2012.

the_invisible_hand Wednesday, June 24th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

Come on. Surely you have some sympathy for dreaming of getting rid of Obama?

Bob Corker 2012!

Can't let that one go.

toughintn Wednesday, June 24th at 6:12PM EDT (link)

Corker is another moderate-leaning McCain type, and would lose.

(Ironically, he even looks similar to McCain.)

Corker's work opposition and work against the automakers was great.

the_invisible_hand Wednesday, June 24th at 9:51PM EDT (link)

Did you see how he stuck up for working taxpayers against the union handouts in the Senate?

He is an awfully intelligent Senator who is young and effective in what he has done, but he hasn’t been there long enough to have skeletons or enemies.

Corker is someone to watch and I don’t think he is like McCain at all.

Bob Corker 2012!

 
 

Corker is good

Kate_Shanahan Wednesday, June 24th at 9:26PM EDT (link)

work on his elocution. His accent will be his undoing. Smart man.

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

 
 
 
 

I would like to invite all of the Fiscally Conservative but Socially Liberal Republicans to stand up for Gov. Sanford...

Aaron Gardner Wednesday, June 24th at 4:46PM EDT (link)

what’s that sound I here….ahhhh yes…crickets chirping…lovely.

Aaron’s Archive

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Since when does social liberal=support adultery?

the_invisible_hand Wednesday, June 24th at 5:24PM EDT (link)

If it were up to me, Sanford would not be disqualified from running for office due to personal weakness. His fiscal conservatism is a beacon of hope to me in this morass of socialism in government. But I know that he is dead in the water because a majority of voters, especially in Republican primaries, have come to the conclusion that personal weakness is a disqualifying factor.

Bob Corker 2012!

 
 

Governor Sanford: Resign........ Today....... NOW.

Kenny Solomon Wednesday, June 24th at 4:52PM EDT (link)

Putz.

Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.

What good will that do?

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

Let’s focus our fire on the Democrats.

We can take care of Sanford simply by never backing him for public office again.

But let’s save the outrage for Obama and his cronies.

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

One word, Neil..... One word.....

Kenny Solomon Wednesday, June 24th at 5:37PM EDT (link)

Trust.

Governor Sanford’s lost the trust of anyone with a moral and overall compass.

If this guy was hittin’ it for almost 8 years and spouting off as being “one of us”, a Conservative, he’s got no place in a position that requires trust.

Just my opinion.

Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.

 
 

Why. Where does it say marital fidelity is a requirement for public office?

Tbone Wednesday, June 24th at 5:30PM EDT (link)

Sanford is a fool. However, when you get right down to it anyone who seeks public office has a screw or two loose, or, in this case, a loose screw or two.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

Where's Mike from SC?

ashevillelib Wednesday, June 24th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

I want a genuine take on this.

"Genuine take?"

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 5:12PM EDT (link)

Huh?

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

Hopefully, not Argentina.

Tbone Wednesday, June 24th at 5:31PM EDT (link)

nt

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

And these are just the ones who got caught...

Big Apple Infidel Wednesday, June 24th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

Alabama Governor Don Siegelman (D-AL) found guilty of bribery, mail fraud and obstruction of justice 6/29/2006, sentenced to 88 months.

Connecticut - In 2004 Governor John G. Rowland (R-CT) Rowland resigned from office during a corruption investigation, and later pleaded guilty in federal court to a one-count with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax fraud.[7] He served ten months in a federal prison followed by four months house arrest, ending in June, 2006.

Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich (D-IL) charged with conspiracy to commit mail, wire fraud and solicitation of bribery. He was also accused of “Pay to Play” schemes, including the sale of President Barack Obama’s vacated U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder. He was impeached and removed from office (January 28, 2009)

Illinois Governor George H. Ryan (R-IL) illegal sale of government licenses and contracts as Secretary of IL State. Convicted (2006)

Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards (D-LA) convicted of extortion (2000)

New Jersey Jim McGreevey Governor (D-NJ) Resigned from office 11/15/07 after admitting his homosexuality and the inappropriate appointment of his alleged male-sex partner to a government paid office.(2004)

New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM) withdraws his bid to be President-Elect Obama’s Commerce Secretary due to an investigation by a federal grand jury into how a California company that contributed to Richardson’s political activities won a New Mexico transportation contract worth more than $1 million (January 4, 2009)

Ohio Governor Bob Taft (R-OH) pleads no contest and is convicted on four first-degree misdemeanor ethics violations (2005)

Puerto Rico Governor Anibal Acevedo Vila(D) indicted by the United States on 19 counts of corruption and conspiracy. On August 19, 2008, he was indicted a second time, with four counts of Honest Services Wire Fraud, 18 USC 1343, 1346 and 2, and a fifth count of Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering, 18 USC 1956(h).

Alabama Governor Harold Guy Hunt(R-AL) convicted of improperly using campaign money and removed from office (1993); received a rare full pardon due to the confession of his accountant, Gene McKenzie (1998).

Arizona Governor John Fife Symington III (R-AZ) convicted of fraud (1997)

Arkansas Governor James Guy Tucker, Jr. (D-AR), convicted of fraud conspiracy (1996)

Oklahoma Governor David Lee Walters (D-OK) pleaded guilty to misdemeanor election law violation (1993)

West Virginia Governor Arch A. Moore Jr (R) guilty of mail fraud, tax fraud, extortion and obstruction of justice, (1990)

Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) Governor of California, Admitted to inappropriate conduct with women when he was an actor and professional bodybuilder “on rowdy movie sets” (2004)

Paul Patton (D) Governor of Kentucky, Became public after a former mistress alleged retaliation against her business (2002)

Jim McGreevey (D) Governor of New Jersey, admitted that he had an extramarital affair with the man he appointed as homeland security advisor. When threatened with a lawsuit he admitted his homosexuality and resigned in (2004)

Eliot Spitzer (D) Governor of New York used the Emperors Club VIP prostitution service to meet $1000/ night escorts. No charges were filed since no public funds were used, though he resigned anyway. (2008)

Bob Wise (D) Governor of West Virginia, affair with state employee (2003)

William Jefferson “Bill” Clinton (D) Governor of Arkansas. Whitewater scandal (1994-2000) independent counsel Kenneth Starr (R) investigated the Clinton’s role in peddling influence for the Whitewater (real estate) Development Corporation while he was Governor of Arkansas. No criminal charges were brought against either President Bill Clinton (D) or First Lady Hillary Clinton (D)

William Jefferson “Bill” Clinton (D) Governor of Arkansas. Sex Scandals from multiple women including Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers, which culminated in his impeachment for perjury while President.

Governor David Patterson of New York (D). On the day of his inauguration admitted multiple sexual affairs and drug use.

Greetings from occupied territory!

5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 (nt)

Neil Stevens Wednesday, June 24th at 5:13PM EDT (link)

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

It's Been Going On Since The Beginning of Time:

Swamp_Yankee Wednesday, June 24th at 5:19PM EDT (link)

- Ben Franklin fathered an illegimate kid.

- DNA tests all but confirm that Thomas Jefferson had a kid with a house slave

- Grant was a drunk

- Lincoln was depressed

- JFK probably is guilty of every sin of the flesh known to man.

Thanks for the perspective Swamp.

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 6:01PM EDT (link)

What do all the men have in common?

They contributed greatly (well, with the possible exception of JFK) to the formation and furtherance of this country, despite their personal and moral failings.

People in glass houses……

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

 
 

BAI - Please post this as a diary.

bs Wednesday, June 24th at 6:07PM EDT (link)

Thank you.

Decorum is fo’ suckas

 
 

Sanford went to Argentina; Sarah Palin is going

septembergurl Wednesday, June 24th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

to visit our troops in Europe this week.

Let’s say you’re the conservative governor of a state with a rambunctious legislature who fights you every step of the way as you try to limit the damage done by the so called stimulus. That you spend every day fighting off the attacks by envious rivals, ankle-biters, loons, stalkers, backbenchers, leftwing local media, leftwing national media, your own party, etc. That every move you make is scrutinized to determine how it affects your Presidential plans. Pretty stressful, right?

So what do you do after the session ends? Do you sneak off to spend a week with your mistress after promising your wife to break it off, on FATHERS DAY weekend yet, leaving said wife to cover for you ?

or do you go to spend your free time with our soldiers, who Sarah always calls “Our Heroes”, lending her stature and charisma to the worthy cause of reminding America how much we owe our troops?

I have a big problem with the idea, stated above and often, that we are losing some kind of great leader here due to this “tragic event”. On the contrary, we dodged a bullet. despite his manifest lack of charisma, limited appeal and lack of political skills, Sanford was considered a top contender for 2012.

If you want to get a picture of what I mean, check out his press conference today, all of which I listened to on CSPAN. It was a compelling mix of cliches, fatuousness, bathos, wierdness (pointing out people in the audience and reminiscing about when they played Little league or whatever) evasions, torturous logic, circumlocution, begging, weeping, apologising, equivocating, blaming others, way TMI, etc.

It was what I think of as The Full Nixon. (And I LIKE Nixon).

I'm glad you noticed this, too.

Flagstaff Thursday, June 25th at 1:53AM EDT (link)

That may be part of the reason the lefties hate her so much.

And yet she gets no respect and the guys get unearned respect.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 

It's not coincidence

redloft Wednesday, June 24th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

That Ensign and Sanford both admit to these affairs. Each have White House aspirations, and for that to happen, it’s best to air the dirty laundry now, rather than 2 years from now.

He'll need to change parties

Flagstaff Thursday, June 25th at 1:50AM EDT (link)

for it to matter.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

true, I am being realistic and not judgemental

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 25th at 2:04AM EDT (link)

by saying they are through. Sanford may just have mental problems, this was like a Lifetime B Movie plot.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

He threw away a good chance at being president.

the_invisible_hand Wednesday, June 24th at 5:08PM EDT (link)

I wish it were true that we could separate his politics from his personal limitations, but it won’t happen. Let’s look elsewhere. Nothing more to see here.

Bob Corker 2012!

We need Fred (or someone like him)

Doc Holliday Thursday, June 25th at 2:08AM EDT (link)

as crazy as it sounds, particularly coming from me, but we need Fred. I bashed him for not wanting it enough but now realize that is just what we need. Most of these politicians are ego-maniacs. We need to follow the Washington example and elect the man who does not want the job.

The Catholics say if you go into the Papal Conclave wanting to be Pope, you have no chance. I think they have that one right.

Molon Labe!

Imagine

OccamsRazor Thursday, June 25th at 2:13AM EDT (link)

The Room of Tears.

 
 
 

So let me get this straight,

Vegas_Rick Wednesday, June 24th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

we’re just gonna throw him under the bus? One of the few truly conservative Republicans, who has, by every measure been a fine Governor who walked the limited government, low taxes walk. Just the kind of guy we need right now.

There is no condoning marital infidelity.

But, having said that, we don’t know both sides of the story. We only know the public story, not the private one. And we have NO right to the private story. So, IMHO, if we are not entitled to the evidence, we are not entitled to judge, convict and sentence.

I say let him stand on his record as Governor.

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

5 Rick nt

mom2oneson Wednesday, June 24th at 5:25PM EDT (link)

Vegas_Rick, you get 5s from me for this post and 'specially this part:

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 5:58PM EDT (link)

“There is no condoning marital infidelity.

But, having said that, we don’t know both sides of the story. We only know the public story, not the private one. And we have NO right to the private story. So, IMHO, if we are not entitled to the evidence, we are not entitled to judge, convict and sentence.”

I don’t take this lightly, and am extremely disappointed in Sanford’s behavior, but history is littered with men (and women) who accomplished great things for this country who had moral failings. This doesn’t mean that morality doesn’t matter, but what is even more important is how you deal with your moral failings and the lessons you learn from them, not that you have them.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Vegas_Rick, Mom2oneson, eburke and others...

penguin2 Wednesday, June 24th at 7:57PM EDT (link)

As a wife and mother, I feel disappointment with Gov. Sanford and sadness for him and his family. There is tremendous pain for all involved. His wife, children and yes, for him also. To see so much that he has worked for and accomplished shredded-yes his fault, but still I see and accept the human side of not being perfect. Of course, we do not condone, but to condemn the individual is destructive. Forgiving and being supportive would be the most helpful to this man and his family right now.

Yes we are all frustrated, disappointed, but I will not allow the glee of the other side and anger on our side to add to the fire. Much of this and the fall out is out of our control, in fact almost all of it, but we can pick up the pieces and move on. There are some absolutely wonderful social conservatives on this site, that often are able to offer a spiritual perspective on things. I am looking forward to one of them to do so. But one thing I have learned since participating here, is that we are capable of great support and caring, regardless of the distress. This is a time that we can reach inside what we truly believe and extend that. We will be strong and not let the other side dictate our “payment” for “sin.” God does that. We can seek His strength and pray He support all parties in deep pain.

I guess, I just felt this strongly after reading the extensive threads and all the diaries covering this. I hope I have said something useful. Thanks.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

To clarify, my post is in agreement with you three...

penguin2 Wednesday, June 24th at 8:04PM EDT (link)

Messed up my original comment title. Too much thinking!

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

Thanks, penguin2. Your 1st paragraph eloquently

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 8:34PM EDT (link)

stated so much of what I feel.

As a Christian who gets up in the morning vowing to follow my Savior’s will and who goes to bed every night confessing what a schmuck I was all day, one of my favorite bumper stickers is:

“Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven”.

If Gov. Sanford believes in that, and has asked forgiveness, then it has been granted to him by the only One who really matters. That doesn’t mean that there won’t be consequences but consequences and forgiveness are two separate things.

The angst I have is reading some of the posts which seem to focus exclusively on this one admittedly large failure to the exclusion of all of his othere attributes and accomplishments. At times like these, I try to focus on the most infamous aldturer of all times (at least for a Christian) and that is King David who not only committed adultery w/Bathsheba but had her husband murdered to try and cover up the deed. David, when confronted with his sins, repented but God still allowed the son born of the illicit tryst to die, and David’s family life was a mess, just as he was told by the prophet Nathan.

And yet, God still allowed His Son, the Savior of the world, to born through David’s family.

I always try to remember that when I’m tempted to believe that sinful, flawed human beings can’t be used by God to accomplish his purpose.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

eburke, I had forgotten David's story, it fits.

penguin2 Wednesday, June 24th at 9:01PM EDT (link)

God did indeed use an imperfect individual, yet glorious good still came from it. I believe good can come out of this. Hopefully, there will be restored family relationships, healing and growth. Even for all of us on the outside, looking in, we can regroup-take a look at our personal lives and possibly improve or even repair holes that have developed.

Your analogy helps to give perspective and even comfort.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin

 
 
 
 
 
 

no sympathy for Sanford

louisiana Wednesday, June 24th at 5:25PM EDT (link)

he unzippe his pants, & his brains fell out.

 

Sanford's Fate Lies w/ S. Carolinians Now

Swamp_Yankee Wednesday, June 24th at 5:51PM EDT (link)

I see how this incites much passion amongst people. But Sanford resigned as head of the Gov’s association. His 2012 POTUS aspirations are shot. That being said, people outside SC really dont have much of a stake as to the future of the Governor of SC. If they want him, I say lets support him. If not, he;s got to go. Either way this Yankee wont go carpetbagging.

 

hes a lying politician why is anyone surprised

toddworsham Wednesday, June 24th at 5:53PM EDT (link)

100 percent of politicians are lying snakes. I dont have any problem saying that because if you find me an “honest” politician I guarantee hes got a skeleton or two.

Stop elevating these idiots to some posistion of admiration. To me all politicians deserve ridicule and scorn. To me they are all dirty rotten gangsters until they prove otherwise.

**The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants**
–An OG American Patriot–

http://www.theotherworsham.blogspot.com

 

To prospective GOP candidates...

DONTREADONME Wednesday, June 24th at 6:13PM EDT (link)

if you have a problem with infidelity or have considered to act on those urges do not run for office. This is the kind of garbage that infuriates me, everytime you embarrass yourself, you embarrass us.

Further note, if you can not keep it in your pants then why the hell can we trust you. I am glad Mark Sanford is not my governor, but Mark Sanford single handedly allowed the Democrat agenda to pass through Congress. Hang you head in shame, you’re are one big moron. Yeah, I am that mad, I defended you yesterday, and this is how I get repayed. Jerk.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the United Abominations”-Megadeth

 

Don't say it if you don't mean it.

toughintn Wednesday, June 24th at 6:21PM EDT (link)

If this link is true, and Sanford and Ensign both called on President Clinton to resign, they should face the music.

Unless you’re a Democrat, hypocrisy is always a losing strategy — both personally and professionally.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/06/sanford-and-ensign-called-on-clinton-to-resign-after-his-affair.html

The Clinton impeachment was about perjury, not an affair

icbm Wednesday, June 24th at 7:05PM EDT (link)

It was about perjuring himself during a sexual harassment suit.

Certain folks wanted to make it about the affair, and they’re still trying to. But an affair alone would not have brought impeachment. Nor, I am guessing, would it have caused Ensign and Sanford to call for resignation.

That's a given

toughintn Wednesday, June 24th at 7:21PM EDT (link)

But the uninformed public would still perceive it as a double standard, even if the legality doesn’t match. Republicans are always held to a higher moral standard — and rightly so, when absolute truth informs policy choices.

And let’s not forget that there will likely be legal issues Sanford has to face.

He has many more answers to give — including specifics about whether he used taxpayer money inappropriately to fund his junket(s) (already buzzing on the web).

This is just so much liberal drivel. Give me a break

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 9:24PM EDT (link)

So what you’re really saying is that the FACT that it wasn’t about sex but about perjury is irrelevant and that because the American Idol public still thinks it was about sex…well, then obviously we must continue to let them believe that even thought it’s not true. And then, of course, having allowed the falsehood to continue , we simply MUST hold two GOPers to a standard to which they held nobody.

What a crock.

As is this statement: “Republicans are always held to a higher moral standard - and rightly so”.

I have one question - You think its *right* to hold one party to a different standard than the other? Seriously?

It may be reality but it ain’t right and it’s a hypocritical pile of hooey that the liberal hacks in the MSM have convinced you that it is.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Your Edmund Burke quote says it all.

toughintn Wednesday, June 24th at 10:20PM EDT (link)

Good men.
Good.

Republicans usually claim to be “good men” (people), so how can it be wrong for them to be held to a high moral standard?

On the other end of the spectrum:
Ted Kennedy somehow avoided jail after causing the death of a young woman; no one has ever held him (or his family) to any standard of conduct.

Joe Biden once had to quit the presidential race because he’s a plagiarist. No one holds him to any standard. “That’s just Joe.”

Bill Clinton’s problems with the truth are well-documented; no one (well, except Obama’s pals during the recent election) holds him to any standard of conduct or speech. He can pretty much do anything he wants, and he does.

The mainstream press expects nothing of liberals, so they are never disappointed in them.

It may be discouraging and unfair, but it is realistic.

And by the way, I expect nothing from the MSM, so I’m never “disappointed” in them. What is, is.

And we can get mad about it and waste time being distracted by it, OR we can rise above it and win elections with excellence on all fronts, moral and otherwise.

We also need to hold ourselves to the highest standards, so when all the frightening truth continues to trickle out about this administration, we will actually have a leg to stand on. That’s planning ahead. That’s the way to win — not from a position of weakness, but strength.

I don't disagree with your "highest standards" statement.

eburke Wednesday, June 24th at 11:59PM EDT (link)

What I take issue with is two points you made.

1) You said that if Ensign and Sanford called on Clinton to resign then they should ‘face the music’ and resign. If they had called on him to resign solely over extramarital sex, I would agree with you. But that wasn’t the issue. Perjury and obstruction of justice were the issues. That’s a huge distinction. And when icbm pointed that out, you in effect said “well, that’s true but the truth doesn’t matter ’cause everyone thinks they did.” That’s the kind of acceptance of the MSM narrative that always leaves conservatives on their heels. It’s the whole ‘it’s not the actuality of the behavior but the seriousness of the charge’ BS that we continually allow the MSM to hang around our necks ’cause we don’t challenge their narrative.

2) I understand that the MSM’s double standard is reality; I said so in my post. But what I can’t understand is that you think that’s right. It’s NOT right. It’s a hypocritical crock that the MSM holds one party to a higher standard than the other. Recognizing it is one thing. Accepting it without trying to change it is foolish. Believeing that it’s “rightly so” leaves me incredulous.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Is your reaction the same internationally?

toughintn Thursday, June 25th at 11:55AM EDT (link)

First, I’m not arguing the difference between perjury and adultery here; one is a legal issue, the other is a moral issue.

But your anger with the MSM makes me wonder if you consider this to be any different from the way the international media treats the US and the rest of the world. The US is held to a higher standard (or at least we have been in the past) because we are seen as the moral arbiter for the world — and we’ve been willing to be put in that position because we actually care if other nations are free. When one nation fights for moral principles, it will be judged more harshly when it “fails” to meet that standard (and that judgment may be fair or unfair).

Between conservatives and liberals, if one side often claims to follow absolute truth, and the other often calls all moral views equally valid, which side is going to be judged more harshly?

Maybe it’s not “right” in the sense of fairness, but it’s certainly “right” in that it makes perfect sense with the MSM world view. It’s undeniable, and you can try to change it, but it will require change at the mind and heart level.

Yes, in a perfect world, all parties and all countries would be handled fairly and neutrally by those reporting the events. But only God treats everyone equally.

I’d rather the leadership spend less time trying to get the media to treat conservatives fairly, and spend more effort to recruit people who make smart personal and political choices.

Finally, let’s put the MSM’s role in perspective. Reagan found a way to speak directly to the people, and that should be our goal today.

First, I need to retract my 'liberal drivel' statement above.

eburke Thursday, June 25th at 5:17PM EDT (link)

Your ‘higher standards’ think struck me as being typical of moderate/libs who have decided that since we at least *want* to be moral, and they could care less, then *we* have to purge the fallen among us while *they* get to skate scott-free. Based on your subsequent responses, I obviously misread you and, thus, apologize for a) calling your points ‘drivel’; and b) calling you a liberal (a far worse offense than the first :-) )

I guess I used to see the world as you but I am so beyond sick and tired of us being held to a higher standard and, as much as it tees me off when something like this happens, I fervently believe we play into the shameless, hypocritical libs hands when we throw some of our best and brightest under the bus when they show human flaws.

They KNOW that all they have to do is find something, anything, on one of *ours* and we’ll take ‘em out for them, even though the vast majority of the electorate could really care less. Am I saddened that our culture has devolved to the point that a serial adulterer, perjurer, liar, and general scumbug could be reelected to be POTUS, and leave office w/60% approval ratings? More than I could ever tell you.

But there’s the world the way you want it and the world the way it is. And, unfortunately, we live in an American Idol society where no one seems to give a rats rear end about morals and scruples. So I am now at the point where I believe that if we stood up and told the libs and dems “we aint’ playin’ this game no more’ then at best they’d give up (fat chance but I did say ‘at best’) and at worst we get to continually point out there hypocrisy while not crucifying our own because some of them are human and screw up.

That may sound awfully jaded, but that’s where all this garbage has led me (example? this morning the sychophantic AP listed all the pols who have had affairs in the last 5 years. Guess which ones were the only ones who had their party affiliation listed after ‘em? I’m done with this kind of crap!)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

Just thought we could use a laugh!

toughintn Saturday, June 27th at 11:03AM EDT (link)

How about I post this — an excerpt for the ethical standards of the AP — and you post that link for their latest violation of said standard, and we can all laugh bitterly at the irony!

http://www.ap.org/newsvalues/index.html

02/16/2006

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS STATEMENT OF NEWS VALUES
AND PRINCIPLES

“For more than a century and a half, men and women of The Associated Press have had the privilege of bringing truth to the world. They have gone to great lengths, overcome great obstacles – and, too often, made great and horrific sacrifices – to ensure that the news was reported quickly, accurately and honestly. Our efforts have been rewarded with trust: More people in more places get their news from the AP than from any other source.

In the 21st century, that news is transmitted in more ways than ever before – in print, on the air and on the Web, with words, images, graphics, sounds and video. But always and in all media, we insist on the highest standards of integrity and ethical behavior when we gather and deliver the news.

[***** GET READY: HERE'S THE BEST PART! *****]

That means we abhor inaccuracies, carelessness, bias or distortions. It means we will not knowingly introduce false information into material intended for publication or broadcast; nor will we alter photo or image content. Quotations must be accurate, and precise.”

See?

Don’t we all feel so much better now?!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Clinton was different

Kyle-MI Wednesday, June 24th at 7:19PM EDT (link)

Don’t buy into the liberal meme that Clinton was impeached because of infidelity. He was impeached because he misused his office buy engaging in sex with an employee AND corrupted the judicial process by lying under oath in a court of law.

 
 

Oh. I see. It was "Argentinian tail" not "Appalachian Trail"

Lammo Wednesday, June 24th at 7:06PM EDT (link)

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Sort of like having the right to remain silent but not having the ability.

ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (Fr. John Corapi, SOLT)

Crime never takes a holiday. (Dennis J. O’Shea, R.I.P.)

Unlawful is against the law. Illegal is a sick bird. (Ooold joke)

Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read. (Groucho Marx)

Er... 4 and 1/2

IJB Wednesday, June 24th at 7:17PM EDT (link)

OK, even I think that’s amusing… ;)

 
 

Staying out of terrorist's houses and staying out of churches where they curse America are more important

David123 Wednesday, June 24th at 11:53PM EDT (link)

than other personal behavior failings when it comes to serving in public office.

David123

 

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