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Gun Control and the Tucson Shootings

EJ Dionne Tries To Prevent A Perfectly Good Tragedy From Going To Waste

As we’ve witnessed over the past five days the left has pulled out all the stops to gain political advantage from the tragic shootings in Tucson.

We’ve endured the spectacle of the leftist punditocracy shrilly blaming opinions opposed to the Obama Administration for the actions of an obviously schizophrenic young man who has been described by his friends as a left wing doper who was disengaged from current politics. We’ve seen the addled superannuated “sheriff” lash out, blaming everyone in sight except his own department which had numerous contacts with the shooter in the past few years did bupkis, in fact they did less than bupkis.

Having failed to hang direct responsibility about our neck — an action very accurately described by Sarah Palin as “blood libel” — they moved on to Phase II which is “everyone needs to watch what they say… especially you wingnuts who are violent and since the left doesn’t say violent stuff so we’re okay.” This, too, has wilted under even the cursory scrutiny it was given by the press. Over the past decade the calls for the assassination of President Bush, the trashing of ROTC offices, the incitement of troops to mutiny, the daily scurrilous calls for violence by websites like DailyKos and by the now happily defunct Air America were part and parcel of what passes for speech on the left. That nothing happened is due more to the lack of manliness (with the exception of Amanda Marcotte) and ambition on the part of the left than any reticence to actually engage in violent acts.

Now they have moved on to Phase III which is “we need more gun control.” For reasons that are really unclear to me, one of our own elected officials, Peter King (R-NY) was among the first on this bandwagon by proposing a ban of the possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of certain government officials. Beyond the obviously unconstitutional nature of the proposal I was stunned to find this coming from someone I was just beginning to respect after his long history of actively supporting IRA terrorists.

A more likely suspect took up the cudgel today. E. J. Dionne writes an op-ed in today’s Washington Post titled Violent Talk Blocks Sane Gun Laws.

For a long time, liberals hoped that by convincing opponents of gun control that we harbored no hostility toward the vast law-abiding majority of gun owners – or to hunting or to rural culture – we might forge a consensus around rational firearms laws to protect innocents.

But I came to realize, partly from e-mail exchanges with ardent foes of gun control over the years, that the real passion for a let-anything-go approach to guns has little to do with culture or hunting. It is rooted in a very peculiar view of how America has maintained its freedom. Rep. Ron Paul, as is his wont, expressed it as plainly as anyone.

“The Second Amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand,” the Texas Republican declared in 2006. “It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. . . . The muskets they used against the British army were the assault rifles of that time.”

And at a Washington rally last year on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) linked this view to the current occupant of the White House.

“Fellow patriots, we have a lot of domestic enemies of the Constitution, and they’re right down the Mall, in the Congress of the United States – and right down Independence Avenue in the White House that belongs to us,” he declared. “It’s not about my ability to hunt, which I love to do. It’s not about the ability for me to protect my family and my property against criminals, which we have the right to do. But it’s all about us protecting ourselves from a tyrannical government of the United States.”

Is it any wonder that the gun lobby argues that restricting high-capacity magazines is just one step down the road to dictatorship?

I’ll take second place to no one in my contempt for Ron Paul’s politics but even a blind hog finds acorn on the odd occasion. In this case Paul has it absolutely right.

To understand the Constitution you have to understand the context of the times. Our Founding Fathers were as much influenced by their perception of themselves as free, Protestant, Englishmen as they were by their experiences in the Revolution.

England, unique among European powers, kept severe curbs on its regular army. A standing army was illegal in Britain without the express consent of Parliament and that consent was given annually in the guise of the Mutiny Act. Similar language appears in Article 1, Section 8 of our own Constitution.

The Mutiny Act did other amusing things to limit the ability of the army to act to suppress freedoms, like forbidding the army to own transport of any type, restricting its movements to certain roads, etc. The militia had no such restriction, it was organized under the gentry of each county, and the 1689 Declaration or Rights (as an aside I would encourage everyone to take a look at this document), the same document that outlawed a standing army responsive only to the King, states:

That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

As the Constitution itself was being debated there was a heated exchange of views on whether a strong Federal government would soon extinguish weaker state governments. We should note here that argument persists and the anti-Federalists are looking more prescient with each passing year. Madison, writing as Publius in Federalist 46, pushes that fear aside with this reasoning:

Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. [...] To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.

Contra Dionne, the Bill of Rights was not established to protect either culture or recreational activities. Just as there is no Right to Play Cricket there is no Right to Hunt and Target Shoot. The Second Amendment grants the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. That right is rooted in the antipathy a free Englishman of the 18th Century had for a standing army and the power of the state. That for nearly 150 this right has been exercised peacefully does not detract from the reason the right is recognized.

Having pushed aside Dionne’s generous offer to give up a right granted to us as citizens for “a little temporary safety” one may ask, exactly what kind of “sane gun laws” does Dionne recommend that could have prevented or mitigated the carnage?

We don’t know because he can’t get farther than demonstrating his own historical illiteracy. Speculatively, had the sheriff’s department, or even Loughner’s community college, used Arizona’s mental health laws to the maximum extent he could conceivably have been flagged as having a psychiatric problem which could have, in addition to having him treated, prevented him from legally buying a handgun. But that would not require new laws, merely the enforcement of existing laws. In that respect the Arizona case is very similar to the shooting spree at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Why Dionne would expect someone who set out to kill another person to be deterred by a gun law of some type when they aren’t — or can’t be — deterred by the specter of the death chamber is a mystery to me. But in the coming days I’m sure he’ll clear it all up for us.

COMMENTS

  • chihank

    If the Left wants to push gun control, then the GOP Congressshould counter with measures for school prayer to illustrate how foolish gun control proposals are. If gun control takes gunsout of criminal hands, then school prayer would have provided the AZ shooter a sense of Christian values.

    • davesinsanantonio

      control over the citizens of this country for what it is! There is a reason, as stated in the post, that the right to bear arms is the Second Amendment. The Founders thought it was the second most important right to protect us from our government. Read the Amendments carefully, especially One and Two, and you understand that all ten of the Bill of Rights are to protect us from our government trying to grab control over the states or the citizens directly. We must pound that home so the indy voters can see the current danger from the Left of trying to overturn all of our basic rights–and confiscating our guns is high on their priority list for a reason. And, that is why, whenever a gun is used (and often at other times as well) you get the same gun control song and dance from the usurpers in lock step. We must remain aware of the dangers to our liberty and warn others of it all the time. There can be no let up, or we will lose everything.

      • nwick

        If guns kill, it was a spoon that made Rosie O’Donnell fat.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins.

  • jiminga

    not a representative of the people. Just like the left, he is using the AZ shootings to make us believe he can save us from crazy people with a gun. He’s not a fool, just a politician, and therefore deserves to be ignored until he comes up with a idea that would actually do some good.

    How about repealing the ban on incandescant bulbe? Now that would be helpful.

    • edintexas

      Not only a NY State politician, but one from the suburbs of NY City. I guess we should be thankful he’s no Carolyn McCarthy, also a NY pol, also from suburban Long Island, but closer to NYC than is King’s district, and she’s a Democrat. She’s also a die-hard anti-gun crusader. King is coming lately to that position, but he’ll be getting there if he keeps this up.

    • bgintn

      http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2011/01/12/special-front-sight-blog-we-will-help-the-politicos/

      As in the article,
      FEAR is nothing more than False Evidence Appearing Real.

    • aesthete

      His ostensible claim to fame (namely, being a super-hawk on the GWOT) is completely undermined by his longstanding support of the IRA mentioned by streiff. King’s not that great on social issues and is terrible on fiscal issues: frankly, I’m surprised that the Great White RINO Hunters haven’t concentrated on King (who has pushed damaging legislation) rather than, or in addition to, Scott Brown (who hasn’t pushed damaging legislation yet, or been the deciding vote on anything). He is, besides Paul, one of the most odious members of Congress (and there’s an institution that already sets a high bar for odiousness).

  • tergent

    Anything the left is against is now fair game, beause they ar in “Blame the right” mode. They must be histerical about the last election. This guilt by association has to stop, and hopefully this stuff will back fire on the purveyors. There is a good article on www.freemarketsfreepeople.net, “Breaking Political Guilt by Association”

    • conundrum_1954

      about gun control that the left is equal to the right when it comes to hateful and violent rhetoric.
      He actually makes a statement that the left do not possess the “manliness” to bring a violent act to fruition. Is he saying that the arizona shooter was “manly:.
      Does shooting a gun make one manly????

    • conundrum_1954

      about gun control that the left is equal to the right when it comes to hateful and violent rhetoric.
      He actually makes a statement that the left do not possess the “manliness” to bring a violent act to fruition. Is he saying that the arizona shooter was “manly”??
      Does shooting a gun make one manly????

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        For the record, I’m banning you because you can’t figure out who wrote the article you’re ranting incoherently about.

      • streiff

        It is Erickson not “erikson”

        That being said, Erick didn’t write this, I did.

        Actually the rhetoric and actions on the left are far more violent than anything on the right. One only has to look at the anti-globalization protesters in Seattle and DC, the vandalizing of recruiting stations, their incitement of our troops to mutiny and kill their officers.

        Evidence of the absence of manliness on the left, except amongst some of the women, is legion.

        You ignore a second reason I give which is lack of ambition.

        If you are going to criticize something, please take the time to read it and sober up before you comment.

  • edintexas

    And all the rest of the left – rationality and logic blocks gun control legislation.

    Say, he isn’t one of those Canadian quintuplets*, is he. No, I guess not. They shunned the limelight, so they couldn’t be die-hard lefties, like E.J.

    * With apologies, for an older reference, to the younger members of RS.

  • NRPax

    “For a long time, liberals hoped that by convincing opponents of gun control that we harbored no hostility toward the vast law-abiding majority of gun owners – or to hunting or to rural culture – we might forge a consensus around rational firearms laws to protect innocents.”

    And by rational he means “Complete banning of any and all firearms and confiscation of every single one not used by the police and military.”

    Sure they don’t harbor hostility. They just insult us and go on about how we’re to blame for tragedies like this. And when you try to point out that perhaps the better solution is enforcing the laws on the books, you get a confused look like a walrus trying to navigate a spiral staircase.

  • jerry39

    On first reading of E.J.’s article, I thought, “Is it even worth addressing a piece so full of lies?” Can the irony be more compelling? Can’t even the most brain-dead liberal see that E.J. Dionne is violating a common sense restriction on speech (not to libel/slander) to craft an argument for an absurd regulation of speech (no more military metaphors)? Doesn’t everyone in the world have to see through this? That the only purpose of (1/2 of) this piece is slander, (or blood libel) and has nothing to do with toning down rhetoric?

    But as if to prove that insanity cannot be topped, E.J. goes on to pretend in the second 1/2 that the 2nd Amendment which reads “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” is not really about the right to form a militia, but is about the right to Hunt? Seemingly suggesting that an assuault rifle ban would have prevented this attack with a handgun? I am pulling my hair out.

    But, yes, of course it must refuted, if there are people in this world that do not understand campaign metaphors (oops I said campaign, should I clarify that I did not mean that militaristically?) and take them as calls to violence, then there are certainly people in this world who give credence to this pack of lies and insanity.

    So Thank you for doing a fine job of refuting it.
    And is t

  • Bobcat51

    like a combined effort from the left to go all out, on all fronts.

    http://dailycaller.com/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=The+DC+Morning&utm_campaign=Daily+Email&utm_term=thedcmorninglarger_jpg

    Obama is not for gun control, but every one of his lieutenatns are ! The guy never seems to have his fingerprints on anything …, just the master facilitator ?

    Just waiting for the GOP to crumble and fold on all fronts too.

    • Bobcat51

      Lieutenants.

    • davesinsanantonio

      all fronts.” They want total power and will be satisfied with nothing less! So, no matter what they say at any moment, or how they try to divert our attention in other directions, they are always focused on their one and only goal. We have to understand that, or they will eventually get by us with some end run or flea flicker or hail Mary or other trick. (Are sports metaphors to be outlawed also, because sports are so violent?)
      We must not let up, because they will never let up. Whenever they look like they are letting up, just KNOW that they are up to something somewhere else. It may not be a coordinated effort, (this is not a conspiracy theory rant) it is just that they all have the same goal, and have all read the same books, and all buy into their system for achieving that goal. (Rush’s montages of the media all saying the same thing is proof of that!)

  • freemanja1991

    I believe any law abiding citizen should be able to carry a gun out in the open almost anywhere. I including right in front of their congressman.

    • streiff

      the jurisdictions that have passed “must issue” laws IRT concealed carry permits haven’t seen any change in homicides.

      I don’t know why I’d be willing to negotiate away anyone’s right to carry a concealed weapon.

      • freemanja1991

        I don’t Believe in Concealed weapons permits because I believe EVERY Law abiding citizen who can pass the background check to get a gun should be able to wear it in the open almost anywhere. I am a firm advocate of open carry.

        • streiff

          I just don’t agree.

          I’m in favor of open carry. I’m also in favor of concealed carry and don’t see a reason to put that up for grabs.

  • victrola

    Even a consolation prize?

    The Left’s behavior is beyond disgusting, and it’s a good reminder of how they will NEVER pull any punches, and how we can never back down.

    The best way for Republicans to react is not to pass ANYTHING in response to this tragedy. No law in a free society is ever going to stop a madman from killing someone.

    I don’t want to sound callous, but this tragedy will fade away from the public consciousness, we don’t need to any new laws to appease the media’s short attention span.

    Conservatives need to get back to work after this week taking on the Obama agenda, and not be ashamed one bit about it. This tragedy had zero to do with politics, and our response to this tragedy should also be completely apolitical.

    • davesinsanantonio

      nt

    • trutexan

      Liberals are like screaming primates at the zoo who only make a ruckus when the crowds gather at the fence.

  • Paul_In_Houston

    … and violent we (especially us Tea Partiers) are, Roger L. Simon unloads his recollections in The Sixties Were Violent, Not Today

    I’m old enough to tell you that they are dead on.
    -

  • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

    “For a long time, liberals hoped that by convincing opponents of gun control that we harbored no hostility toward the vast law-abiding majority of gun owners . . .”

    The statement above is just as false as “If you like your current health care plan, you can keep it” and any other thing the liberals will promise in order to further their agenda. Never forget – - it’s not about the guns, it’s about the control.

    No law ever stopped a determined criminal – - it they did I would be out of a job – - and no law ever did anything to protect anyone from harm. Each of us is responsible for our own safety and protection. We must resist every attempt to make us wholly dependent on the state. If we are ever disarmed, we will be at the mercy of all of the predators, both criminal and bureaucratic. There will also be a new energy source – - the Founders spinning in their graves.

    • aesthete

      that LEOs are not required to stop crimes in progress, but to apprehend criminals who commit crimes. Even if it were possible for the police to arrive on time and with appropriate equipment and knowledge, your safety is on you!

      • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

        That is why it so offensive that many big city police chiefs, who will hide behind that ruling at the drop of a hat, are such puppets for the Brady Camaign.

        • davesinsanantonio

          of the effort. Which makes me wonder why they are afraid of, or hostile to, law abiding citizens having guns! What is their real agenda?

    • nilram

      Mr. Dione did not say that liberals “harbored no hostility toward the vast law-abiding majority of gun owners”. He said that “by convincing opponents of gun control that we harbored no hostility toward the vast law-abiding majority of gun owners…”.

      He never said what his actual intentions were, only what he wanted to convince the other side his intentions were.

      • davesinsanantonio

        NT!!!

  • steve010

    This Giffords assassination attempt is eerily like the scenes in this movie. Travis Bickle could be classified as mentally ill, but he is just enough off the radar to stay out of the way of the law. He is a loner and drives a taxi at night because he can?t sleep. He begins to fixate on a politician.

    He buys guns from ?Andy the traveling salesman?. And forget about gun laws and outlawing extended clips. In NYC circa 1976, you couldn?t buy or carry a handgun anywhere, legally. NYC has always had the most restrictive handgun laws in the country. Travis buys a long barrel Magnum, a .38 stub nose, a .25 caliber automatic and a Walther with 8 shot clip, all for less than $1000 and learns how to shoot. He shaves his head. He goes to a political gathering, standing less than 1000 feet away with all the guns strapped to his body to assassinate the politician, but there is security present and the security scares him off. The only difference here is that with Ms. Giffords there wasn?t any security present.

    I can’t believe that this grandstanding politician from NYC thinks that someone who will willingly break a law like murdering a 9 year old girl, murdering a Federal Judge and attempting the assassination of a Congressperson would stay 1000 ft away. Maybe the shooter would just have to measure out 1000 ft, sit in his car with a high powered scope with an automatic AK-47.

  • talgus

    every law abiding citizen that carries a gun a felon. 1000 feet from a Federal official in public? who made Rep King a god? There are so many federal officials in public appearances (yet to be defined) that there would be no where that concealed/open carry would be legal.
    Once a felon, 2nd amendment rights are revoked. Nice plan frothing at the mouth gun banners.

  • oses

    I’m hiding 3,000 of ‘em in my garage

    • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

      They may have your address.

  • aesthete

    I wish it were not front-paged, so that I could recommend it both with this account and all of my sock-puppet accounts (kidding…). It continually amazes me how ignorant gun banners are both of English Common Law/2nd Amendment, and of how the law functions. Take King’s proposed law: it is unrealistic in the extreme to expect this law to be reasonably enforced in any way: notwithstanding rifle/handgun/hunting events that are attended by politicians or other venues where pols would both expect or be comfortable with the presence of guns, there is no way for a citizen to be aware of a pol’s going-ons, and thus no way for that law-abiding citizen to avoid situations where a pol might be present except to disarm himself completely (which is not going to happen). Blind leads and false negatives will create TSA-like situations where The recent case in New Jersey shows that inflexible gun restrictions can make criminals out of even the most innocent of persons; this law encourages even more of those types of situations.

    Who is responsible for confiscation of the weapons? Who will bring charges? What kinds of charges will be levied, and will they prevent crime while not screwing regular Joes who carry unknowingly around pols? (The answer to that question is no.) In short, this law is about as well-thought out as the “assault weapons ban” of the early 90s (which banned guns based on how scary-looking they were, rather than carbine, ROF, or measures that might actually be useful in determining lethality). I am adamantly against gun control laws in the first place, but if we have to have someone proposing them, can those someones not be so gosh-darned stupid?

  • bobmontgomery

    …..and deposits another one in its rightful place, the next victim pleads “But sir, the law says you can only kill ten!.” “And the sneering gunman chides …”No child, the law says I could only purchase ten-round magazines.”

  • melbedewy

    were left twisting in the wind with a House of 185 Republicans. Now that there are 242 what do they think is going to happen?

  • 1stRichard

    From the state with one of the toughest gun control laws in the country, likely the most left leaning state in the nation, the fact is more gun laws do not work.

    ?In 1998, Massachusetts lawmakers passed what they said was one of the toughest gun control laws in the country.?

    ?Yet, in the decade since the laws were passed, firearm-related crime has increased dramatically. Gun-related deaths alone have increased by 68%, and gun-related assault injuries have increased by 72%. Emergency room visits due to gun-related assaults have increased by a whopping 222%.?

    The answer isn’t more gun control laws, read more at

    http://www.massgunlawreform.com/

    This was the left?s best attempt at gun laws, both democrat and republican, and it only made it worse. Anyone not recognizing all the national statistics on down to the individual states is irrational and insane, how de we get him the help he needs?

    • davesinsanantonio

      only about intentions and power. And, they only use “good intentions” as a means to grab that power. Your facts will never convince the Left. So, use them to educate the Indys and to motivate the Right. You have a good post, good luck in your efforts to help others get the understanding they need to fight these kinds of power grabs.

  • markinidaho

    Gun control means using two hands, looking beyond your target to make sure that there is no unintended collateral damage from your shooting, aiming carefully and meaningfully before you fire, and firing only purposely. Period.

    What is required in civilized society is people control, preferably self-control. On the far left they want and demand total control by the government. On the far right, they demand no control. Both are correct to a small degree, but both are mostly – almost completely – wrong.

    Since the dawn of time, there have been problems for society coming from the irresponsible or violent actions of a few. Government was formed even in its infancy to protect the weaker, but necessary and vital members of the community from those that would rule over, dominate, or terrorize others by force. The United States government was formed by people who believed that it is possible for society to govern itself, without the need for Kings, Tyrants, Despots, or Oligarchs. It is a novel experiment, one that had never been tried before in the history of mankind. And, oddly enough, it actually works.

    There are several reasons that it works. One of them, and a vitally important one, is that the founding fathers of this nation realized that if each and every law-abiding citizen in the nation was armed and strong, then there would be little or no opportunity for tyrants or terrorists to control the nation. (Terrorism is nothing new.) Any tyrant or terrorist that attempted it would quickly be brought down – arrested or killed. In order to make that certain, they included in the Bill of Rights the Second Amendment to the Constitution, “A well regulated militia being necessary for the common defense, the right OF THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.” Now, many people (fearing to defend themselves – which is cowardice) wish to interpret that to mean that only the military or only law enforcement has the right to keep and bear arms.

    Not so. Understanding the meaning of this requires one to look at the society that existed – and still exists. Every able bodied, law-abiding man was required to have arms, and every able-bodied, law-abiding man was part of the “militia”. That is – or should be – exactly the case today, where laws recognize and acknowledge the need to prevent psychopaths from legally obtaining arms, but also recognizes the need for normal citizens to carry arms, at times. Of course, this assumes free – and courageous – men.

    There is the proper use of the concealed weapons permit in government. In my state, any law-abiding, mentally healthy person can obtain a concealed carry permit, simply by doing the following: apply for the permit, take a course to learn how to (or ensure you know how to) use the firearm without harming yourself or others, learn the laws that restrict the use of firearms, learn the laws that determine the consequences of using firearms. The State fingerprinted me, and did a background check, which I paid for. This is responsible government at work. It exists in many States. It does not exist in the Federal Government, or if it does, it is as rare as a flying unicorn.

    I don’t know what Arizona’s problem is with responsible government. In my state, a psychopath that has made death threats on numerous occasions, that has been dismissed from class for “creepy” and antisocial behavior, and that has had frequent run-ins with the law would not be issued a permit. But this psychopath was able to legally obtain a firearm. In Arizona, just last July they allowed concealed carry without a permit. That is not responsible government. (See http://www.handgunlaw.us/state…/ for details on concealed carry, state by state.)

    The problem has been the radical left agenda to remove the ability to carry, and the backlash from the center-right to prevent taking away rights from responsible citizens. If the far-left would shut up, and if government would be responsible about its duties, then there would not be this problem. They won’t, government (especially liberal government) won’t, so we have a problem.

    Had I been there, and able to do so, I would have had no hesitation to shooting this psychopath to stop him – two to the chest, one to the head if possible. (That will stop a person). “Possible” means that I could shoot without endangering bystanders, which may not have been the case there. (At close range, less than about 20 feet, a knife is usually more effective and controllable.) If he died, then so be it. It would have been an event that would disrupt and change my entire life, my family, my existence in this world, and I realize that the consequences of my actions would have done so. However, to save others from being victims of this psychopath, I would have unhesitatingly used my firearm, which I carry legally, to stop him. Understand, in ten years of being licensed to carry, I have never once had occasion to draw my weapon, and no one other than my closest relatives know when I have it (it is sometimes difficult to conceal when you are being hugged).

    I was not there. In fact, apparently no one was there that could stop him until he stopped shooting to reload. Six people died, and many more were wounded because of it.

    No one had the ability to stop him. No one was armed and dangerous, except the psychopath. No one at all was armed, dangerous, and under sane and reasonable control. And people died and were wounded needlessly.

    That is a problem.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      It would have been better as a diary. But, while you are lecturing us on our lack of reason let me point out that I never heard any of the right wingers here on this site say that there should be no law and order.

      We are all for law and order, including meaningful controls like trying to ensure that obvious whakos can’t hurt other people.

      The problem is that you have idiots on the left like the sheriff there in Tucson who are more interested in excoriating right wingers than in keeping an eye on whackos.

      The other problem is the ACLU and their many decades long crusade to force all crazy people out on the street, and out of places where they cannot harm others or theirselves.

      • steve010

        Why is there more murders in States that have the death penalty, than the one’s that don’t?

        Why is there more gun crime in States and cities that have the strictest gun control, than the places that don’t?

        And why did Dr. Rhee say that Tucson is pathetic as far as a trauma doctor is concerned because violence in Tucson is nearly non-existent. The only reason this thing happened is because law enforcement let their guard down, if there is no threat of violence, why should I get off my duff and head out to the meet and greet, I’ve got better things to do like arrest people for victimless crimes.

    • dmccracken

      It should be controlled by STATE laws. The Federal Government is prohibited, by the 2nd Amendment, to make laws abriding a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms.

      Intelligent, responsible government is what we all want. Moronic, infringing, tyranical government is what we need to fight against.

    • talgus

      they are loath to report issues they see that they know they themselves hold, have performed, or are guilty of.
      This makes the CCW permitting process break down. Unlicensed concealed carry is not a good idea in a city full of gun fearing, hollyweird educated citizens. But, Az has the right to do as they wish.

  • napensnake

    Why don’t we just pass a law making it illegal to cause physical harm to or death of an innocent person?

    That way, people can own their guns and nobody would be hurt by them.

  • tlhanger

    I was barely awake this morning and turned on the TV. I am not sure who was talking, thought it was Brian Williams. He was speaking of Sarah Palin, so I started to listen. He used words like small band of followers, she talked too much about herself-should of remained silent. By this time I was awake and getting angry. Everything was negative. Now I know it was NBC and he is a horses ass, but true conservatives need to understand how afraid of her they are. We cannot get faint of heart and say she is not electible just because they spout off on her every day. Think of it as showing their hand on the fear of her and smile.

  • iamwhoiam

    Out of the Mouth of Dumb Politicians (babes) comes thestupid and the ridiculous!

    STUPID BILL #1 – Carolynn McCarthy (D-NY) – wants to ban large capacity magazines (again) because of this tragic event BUT in her statement ‘ WE won’t be able to keep them out of the hands of the criminals. ‘ NO You’ll only keep them out of the hands of the Law-Abiding!
    In NY we have a magazine limit of 10. I would like to have more.

    STUPID BILL #2 – Peter King (R-NY) – wants to make it ilegal for anyone to carry a gun within 1,00 feet of a Federal Official (that’s ALL Fed employees)!
    Then 1) these Fed’s should stay inside working, 2) these Fed’s better carry a sign that says that they are Fed’s so there’s no Entrapment, 3) the phrase ‘ except for the law-abiding gun-owners ‘ should be (but won’t be) in it and 4) This is just an a$$inine Bill.

    The ‘ REAL ‘ thing to do here is to allow those of us that are law-abiding and have been granted permission to carry guns to be able to carry them everywhere that a criminal/terrorist might carry theirs, which is everywhere for they don’t obey the Law. THIS is the greatest detterent to criminals carrying and misusing firearms!
    As we obey the Law, we can get killed by those who don’t!

  • anjinconsulting

    for all government officials to remain 1000 feet away from any firearm.

    Better yet, I wonder what the reaction from Zero administration would have been if someone with a concealed handgun liscense had taken out the shooter?

    • dmccracken

      of a right-wing nutcase, who was obviously the one responsible for it all and only killed the shooter to hide that fact!

  • hendrig

    Once again the self proclaimed do-gooders are falling all over themselves to get in front of a camera and use this tragedy to further their own political agendas. I’m surprised that the current administration hasn’t figured out a way to blame this all on Bush yet. They seem to have blamed it on all the others with conservative viewpoints. I don’t care what party they are from, any politician, in my area, who uses this to advance their political agendas will not get my vote. Stop desecrating the memories of the six who were taken from us with your own selfish determination to get your political point across. You people turn my stomach!

  • miroco

    where you thought it would, that is gun control. The only real use for liberals is Target Practice! Peter King sounds like peewee queen, maybe he’s been inhaling the mercury from them commie light bulbs.

  • bobmontgomery

    in the ‘health care’ debate about how laws and rules should apply to the Congressmen who make them, as well as the riff-raff, didn’t we? And yet Peter King has the arrogance and the gall to tell me I do not have the right to defend myself from the assailant down the block from where Peter’s exalted presence is holding forth with his buds on the State of Affairs? That makes me afraid for my safety, and makes me afraid that Peter King is dangerous to my safety. Please keep Peter King at least 1,000 feet away from me. I am more important to me than he is.