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Why Is a Government-Run Healthcare Lover a 2012 GOP Frontrunner?

From my original at Big Government

Yes, I’m serious.

Why is Mitt Romney even in the running, when healthcare played such an important role in the mid-term elections as noted by Rasmussen:

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of those who voted in today’s elections nationwide favor repeal of the national health care bill passed by congressional Democrats in March, including 48% who Strongly Favor it.

Rasmussen Reports telephone surveying nationwide after the polls closed found that 40% are opposed to repeal, with 32% who Strongly Oppose it.

This mirrors what we have found every week in surveys since March.

Romney, as most know, is the one-term governor of Massachusetts and the creator of RomneyCare.  With two Massachusetts’s miracles for the state, a trifecta may be a tall order when presented on the national stage for the presidency–especially when Republican Senator Scott Brown, also from MA, has some questionable leanings.

But, then again, maybe not.

Quinnipiac released its latest poll showing Romney, ahead of former Governor Mike Huckabee, and edging out President Obama in 2012:

In trial heats for 2012, former Massachusetts Gov. Romney receives 45 percent to 44 percent for Obama, while the president gets 46 percent to 44 percent for Mr. Huckabee. Matched against Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, a virtual unknown to most voters, the president leads 45 – 36 percent.

Romney and Obama do matchup well, but maybe on the same side of the aisle as Romney is quite RINOish.  In addition to their love of government-run healthcare, Obama and Romney do have some other public relations commonality; they play to the ignorance of the people by capitalizing on their popularity.

 

Democrat Tom Daschle, as seen in this PBS interview, explained Obama’s situation for 2008 the presidential run:

Why the 2008 window for Obama?

I think the window is important for a couple of reasons. One, it was an open opportunity — that is, he wasn’t running against an incumbent; and secondly, because the longer he’s in Washington, the more history he has, and the more history he has, the more he’s going to be explaining his votes and his actions and his statements and his positions that undermine his message. His message is one of change, his message is one of new direction, and it’s harder to do that after you’ve been in Washington for a long time.

Daschle is correct.  Romney was elected governor after his popular role as CEO of the Salt Lake City 2002 Olympics, but did not seek a second term as MA governor under the guise that everyone expected him to run for president.  But, really, could his dropping approval ratings as governor have played a larger role in that decision not to seek a second term.  An incumbent loss would have been a PR disaster for Romney and would have crushed any hope of a presidential run.  And Obama, well, we are watching the unraveling of a radical left-wing presidency that continues to govern against the will of the people.

Entering into the 2012 relentless campaign season, both have records on healthcare and the tea partiers are not going to let Romney forget, Obama just got mauled in the mid-terms, but on the other hand will the “general” voting public remember come 2012?  Romney’s slick PR campaign, which he can afford, sanitizes his political persona.

Self-righteous and ideological politicians tend to bank their power hopes on the gullibility and short memories of the electorate.  Romney’s history on taxes and, well, RomneyCare should immediately disqualify him from the 2012 Republican nod as should his zeal to be president.  President Eisenhower once said, “Any man who wants to be president is either an egomaniac or crazy.”  Those words ring true today, don’t they?

Big Government Editor’s Note: The use of a photo of Mitt Romney speaking at Heritage Foundation was deliberate. Conservative activists don’t fully understand the role that Heritage played in passing RomneyCare in Massachusetts. Nor do they understand fully that Heritage was a pioneer of  the “individual mandate” provision that was incorporated into Obamacare.

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  • izoneguy

    Remember what happened in 1976 when the insiders supported Ford over Reagan? Ford lost to Carter and we went through 4 lost years with Carter. Carter brought us The Community Reinvestment Act which was the catalyst for the 2008 crash. It took 30 years to fester. ObamaCare will do the same thing if allowed to stay law. Everyone needs to remember what Romney brought to to Massachusetts. Romney won’t repeal ObamaCare.

    5 painful health-care lessons from Massachusetts

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/15/news/economy/massachusetts_healthcare_reform.fortune/index.htm

    • http://www.defeatobama.com DefeatObama.com

      Need to become state committee members so that we can change who the national committee members are. Just my two cents.

  • SirGladiator

    Romney bought a TON of name ID in 2008, got a huge lead in the polls, WAY WAY bigger than he has now, and what did it get him? He lost to a guy with no money in Iowa, a guy with a little bit of money in New Hampshire, and lost the nomination. Now his huge name ID has gotten him a tiny lead, and he’s likely going to be up against somebody who can raise a LOT of money, has higher favorable ratings than him, there’s really no way he can beat her. So while the early polls showing him in the lead are annoying, put in their proper perspective they seem to indicate he’s got no real chance of victory whatsoever, unless of course nobody else ends up running, then he’s got a real good shot :) .

    • http://www.defeatobama.com DefeatObama.com

      Because Palin would wipe the floor with him. I’m no fan of Palin but she can raise the money and people will work for her without being paid. I don’t see that that level of support happening for Mitt.

      • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

        and about her possible large group of volunteers. Unfortunately not every state has closed primaries and caucuses consisting of Republicans only. Out of the early states Iowa, NH,NV and SC, only NH and SC have open primaries. Open Primaries means independent voters and here in NH independents are the largest voting block in the state. Sarah Palin with 100% nationwide name recognition has unfavorably ratings with independents over 50%. That is a high hill to climb for Sarah.

      • Remington_Steele

        I agree that Palin is way more exciting than Romney, but be sure of the facts before opining. You state, “she can raise the money and people will work for her without being paid. I don

  • Scope

    they were in support of Romneycare, yet have been drastically opposed to Ocare. I can only hope that there were some there at the time, but, are no longer there. This has been a big stain on what is otherwise known to be for conservative principles, in the Reagan mold. The left, and Romney will drag them into the mud for this position, and, someone there needs to explain their support for Romneycare.

    You are correct SAH, Romneycare will sink the ego known as Romney. He couldn’t win against the big time liberal McCain in 08. He has dollars to burn, he is going to run.

    • http://www.defeatobama.com DefeatObama.com

      The state is managing it.

  • texasgalt

    for Romney but it isn’t gonna fly.

    Sorry, country clubbers . . .

    • 6eorge Jetson

      by acting as a decoy/camouflage for the true Conservative that will eventually emerge as the leader

  • calgacus

    very reluctantly, as I found him better than John McCain. Unfortunately, I think the reason Mitt Romney is a strong contender again in 2012 is because the other “big three” Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin are so weak. Palin is a solid conservative but un-qualified and likely un-electable. Gingrich is a lying weasel similar to Romney although more scandalous. Huckabee is deeply flawed on the issues, and will likely not run in my opinion. There are several dark horses but very few inspiring. I am afraid that once again we are going to have a weak nominee.

    • yarrb53

      Sad commentary for the Repuclicans, isn’t it. We have some young guns coming up, it’s time for the old guard to take a back seat and that includes Romney, Palin and Gingrich. Obama will beat them easily, despite his huge negatives.

    • edintexas

      But Palin is not? Palin had more qualifying experience than our current President, so why is she unqualified? Unelectable I can agree with. She’s been so thoroughly attacked and demeaned by the Left and MSM (but I repeat myself) that it will take years before some people quit thinking Tina Fey is Sarah Palin – if they ever do (it would require independent thought, something which many people seem incapable of employing)

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        is a bar so low as to not qualify. Palin is absolutely unqualified. Huckabee is more “qualified” than either Romney or Palin but his positions on issues put him in left field. Palin couldn’t manage to complete one term as governor for reasons of her own making. She was constantly at war with the Republican legislature and by now, pretty much all of her “signature” legislation has been long forgotten. And, like Huckabee or Romney, she is about as far from a fiscal conservative as GWB.

        No thanks.

      • calgacus

        Palin is as experienced as Obama was, but then again Obama wasn’t actually experienced. Look how Obama has turned out – although obviously his worst attribute was not that he was un-qualified; it’s that he’s a Leftist.

  • Tbone

    Yep, that’s what we need.

    Maybe if Mitt changed his name to Bob Dole he could pick up a couple points without anyone noticing.

    This diary failed to mention that all these guys trailed Palin in the primary preference. You know, the 800 pound Grizzly in the room.

    • calgacus

      She would almost certainly lose to Obama and then we would never repeal ObamaCare. Either way we would be stuck with ObamaCare forever. We need someone who is both competent and conservative. I am still waiting and looking.

      • Tbone

        In either case.

      • Superheater

        Where is there anything in Palin’s record to suggest that?

        • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          actually accomplished exactly nothing but dumping huge amounts of money programs that are now fundamentally dead. She talks a good line but governs like Huckabee – never found a “problem” that couldn’t be solved with local/state money. She’s turned the Republican Party into a toxic waste dump in AK, and when all she would have had to do to blunt the “ethics” charges and the attorney’s fees was ask the AK AG to certify that her actions were within the scope of her job as Governor, she chose to cut and run.

          Obama will beat her like a drum.

          She’s good at raising hell and raising money. She can’t run anything more complicated than a mile. She should stick to what she’s good at and leave the real work to the accomplished folk.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            no better, and maybe even worse.

          • Tbone

            Even the guys you can list who might do a better job are so far behind in money raising ability, name recognition, a nationwide sack of political favors and the ability to command free media that they are at a huge disadvantage.

            With all the negatives that have been poured on her she is really only about 4 points behind the other “name” Republicans v Obama and leads them is primary preference.

            In short, if she wants it, she got it.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            to say who’s going to win the nomination. I mean, Giuliani was going to win it in a walk last time, and look what happened there.

          • azaeroprof

            For *anyone* to say with any real certainty that so-and-so will win the nomination or so-and-so will or will not beam Obama does nothing but display the bias of the person saying it (see mbecker post above, for example).

            I have no doubt that if the election were held *today* between Obama and Palin, he would beat her by about the same margin he beat McCain (although some polls are out that show it a fair bit closer than that). But as I’ve said before, IF Palin runs (and I’m more and more convinced she will) and IF she runs an effective primary campaign and wins the nomination (2 big IFs, but not implausible), she will be a *totally* different candidate than she is viewed today and all bets are off. And I’m becoming more and more optimistic about her chances in a head-to-head with Obama, especially if the economy is still anemic. Even still, I’m not foolish enough to say with certainty that should would win or lose at this point.

          • azaeroprof
          • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

            Well put. People said she wasn’t ready 4 years ago. Well, she’s had a few years to prepare and she just keeps getting better. She’s made all the right moves.

          • earlgrey

            As President she can’t keep poking a stick in people’s eye and she really seems to enjoy doing that. If I were her, I’d stick to what she is doing.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Although if you are, you’d better get used to saying “President Obama” for four more years.

            She’s the national version of JD Hayworth with money. And that just means she will be able to afford to buy lots of air time to piss off more people.

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

            …especially as there have been some strange goings-on at RedState recently. But then I read the body of your comment and realized things were still as usual. :)

          • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

            that Obama is a disaster. Just this month alone, between the election losses, the TSA pat downs and now North Korea’s attack on South Korea. Obama’s downfall is making Romney, Huckabee and Palin all look good.

            I know Obama is a good campaigner in all, but you give him way too much credit. I have a picture of Obama bowing to the Mayor of Tampa Florida. When I look at that picture I don’t see a two term President.

  • Common_Cents

    Has he learned the lessons from the MA program?

    It’s not so bad if a state tries it and learns what works and what doesn’t.

    He could overcome this easily by saying he’s learned his lessons by trying it in a state and doesn’t recommend it nationally.

    We need to tear down federal government to a great degree and divert decisions and more budget to state/local government. 50 experiments to see what works and what doesn’t.

    • The_Gadfly

      a rep as conservative because other than Frisco you have to leave the country to find a place more leftist.

      • edintexas

        He is, at best, what we used to call a “Rockefeller Republican”. We took the Republican Party away from them in 1964 and, despite an occasional slip – see Dole and McCain) we aren’t giving it back. :-)

  • traversecityconservative

    Have you gone out to vote yet? I know I haven’t. Have you ever been called by a pollster about the 2012 election? No again, huh? Romney’s being pushed by Democrats and the Republican establishment. It’s a joke to say he has a snowballs chance.

    • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

      My answer was undecided.

  • 1stRichard

    Romney was a flip flop on too many issues. He was for abortion when he ran for governor and then said he was against abortion when he ran for President. Romney is also reportedly supporting Meg Whitman for Gov of CA and she is in favor of abortions and against offshore drilling. Or did Romney suddenly became a born-again pro-lifer again, I can

    • yarrb53

      Speaking of Logan Airport, were you aware that the man identified as John Doe #2 in the bombing of the Murrah Federal building in Ok, was exposed by local news reporter Jahan Davis as being a member of Saddams Republican Guard. If you recall in the early hours after Tim McVeigh bombing, the reports were of a John Doe #2, a middle eastern looking man, who was identified as renting the truck with Mc Veigh, by the employees of the rental agency. The interest in this man was later dropped when Mc Veigh and Nickles were identified.

      Why is this relevant? In an email sent to me by reporter Davis after an inquiry, she related that the person she identified as John Doe #2, last know address was in Braintree, Ma and was employed at Logan Airport… after 9/11 he disappeared and the folks at Logan would not comment on what his job was.

      Do a internet search on Jana Davis and the Murrah building bombing, there’s a lot more to this than the media has reported.

    • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

      That one I disagree with.

      On the Massport appointees

      Peter Blute: Fired for being on the booze cruise boat with “Giget”

      Virginia Buckingham: Fired for 9/11.

      Blute was the lucky one.

    • raider

      Unfortunately, your cut and paste post has been used at least one too many times.

      Your criticisms may be valid, but it’s time to retire at least part of that cut and paste post that has been used since at least October 27, 2009.

      There are criticisms of Romney about which I am sure we would agree, though.

  • JadedByPolitics

    expect the pushback to be the final nail in the coffin of the Political Class. They will be overwhelmed with WE The People and I would expect a third Party run and I don’t make that claim lightly because third parties give you Clintons and so the RINOs better think long and hard before they make this leap.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      RomneyCare’s respective failures removes much of my reason for supporting him, as I thought that he would be able to seize the issue better than other nominees and be a way to get independents. Now, in 2010, we have the health care issue and should get behind a more reliable conservative than Mitt.

      • acat

        If Romneycare were a one-off, one-time-only thing, I might be able to give him a pass, but during the 2008 campaign he jumped the wrong way on a number of issues in Illinois.

        To be fair, Mitt may have been misled by his corrupt campaign coordinator for Illinois, Bob Kjellander, but then I have to ask why he didn’t smell the rot. A simple google search for “Kjellander Kass” shows that Mitt should have picked someone else….

        I haven’t seen where Mitt has changed his ways, and I see no reason (other than name recognition and blueblooded wishful thinking) for him to be a “frontrunner”.

        Mew

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    These are the same people who gave us McCain; who said McCain was the only one who could win. They have a problem, though. Nobody listens to the established media any more than they listen to established politicians. With a few exceptions, that is, and those exceptions are not pushing Romney on the people.

    Any polls right now are trying to shape elections which are still two years away just as they did in 07-08. Let’s not allow that.

    People are awake and more involved than I’ve seen in my lifetime.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    While he’s not quite up-chuck inducing the way “Silky Pony” was for the Dems, Romney reminds me some of John Edwards. He’s light on convictions, loaded with money and has no other goal in life than the presidency. It also helps him to up against Huckabee and Palin.

    The GOP will have a dark horse emerge. Either that, or we’ll have to get out our telescopic devices and hope we can see 2016 from our front porch.

  • yarrb53

    To be fair, Gov Romney, a Republican Governor behind enemy lines, in Massachusetts, know that the Democrats were going to pass a State supported Health Care Bill. Romney knew he did not have the power to stop it. Trying to stop the inevitable disaster, he proposed what we have now, knowing that the Dems would pass it. I think it was a mistake to go around the country and tout it as a model for the country, as it has been running in the red pretty much since it passed. As much as I like Romney and feel that he is a very intelligent man and a good business man and conservative. I don’t think he has National appeal as “the candidate” This was obvious during the last big election cycle. There were things that Romney did during his tenure as Gov. there were good for the State, but often was stymied by our Terrets Syndromed voters who continued to put the same Democrats in year after year

    • The_Gadfly

      If only he hadn’t campaigned for it as a good program when he was on the stump last cycle. He consistently refused to acknowledge the program was unworkable.

  • renny

    who can beat little o. Who else is there?

    • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

      He’s a bit young (39), so he may not be ready to run in 2012. Only other potential negative: There’s an old story about him being involved in an exorcism that the media will lampoon, but most people who would make that a disqualifier would probably vote for a Democrat anyway.

      If Romney has core principles other than the importance of winning, I’ve not been able to ascertain them.

      • Common_Cents

        He talked about the disaster of a SOTU response speech. He said it was his fault for listening to advisors about talking slowly. He said he just has to be his energetic fast talking self. A good lesson for him as he seems much better handling the media now.

        He’s got time but not sure how much time America has! We need a serious reform minded conservative candidate who won’t take any crap and can get things done, and articulate them. It might take a strong P/VP duo to do that.

        • roguebeaver

          Regarding Romney, here’s why.

          Romney= incredibly successful businessman, savior of Salt Lake, most economically knowledgeable of any candidate. Romneycare sucks, but if he makes a firm, unequivocal pledge to repeal Obamacare, would we hold it against him?

          Pawlenty= Tim Who? Good fiscal and social record, but no one’s heard of him after a year of self-promotion.

          Gingrich= Nancy’s couch, more baggage than a Dulles porter, too old.

          Palin= probably not running.

          Barbour= highly qualified, but would a “fat redneck” from Yazoo, MS, a former tobacco lobbyist to boot, project well in a debate? If he ran, I would support him in an instant.

          All others= white noise candidates.

          As for Jindal, he’s not running in 2012, but if Obama wins in 2012 he’s the 45th POTUS come 1/20/17. He’s running for a 2nd term, winning 70-30 against whatever loser the Dems put up. I love seeing the LA press whine about how all the Dems are switching either de facto or de jure- LA is fast becoming a red state locally whether Mary of Porkulus likes it or not.He’s a healthcare expert who transformed the state system and proposed a plan of his own last year. The nominee could repeal Obamacare and replace it with his plan instead.

  • Ed54

    and Romney knows business.

  • runner12

    It is the epitome of hypocrisy that people who call themselves conservatives would support this guy. He signed into law government-run health care in Massachusetts! You cannot be against ObamaCare and then turn around and support Romney. He is a RINO and an opportunist. He is a slick, elite politician and we will surely lose in 2012 if he wins the nomination. He is no different then McCain.
    I do not buy into any polls showing him leading. I think that is LSM trying to push forth a candidate who they know will lose to Obama or who they can convince to lean their way. Rommey is a progressive through and through and the Repubs will need strong Tea Party support and Indpendent support to beat Obama and they will have neither with Romney.
    That being said, I am not in support of Palin or Gingrich either. I love Palin, but unfortunately the media has been very successful in polarizing her. She would be a great 2nd on a ticket or staff member, but I think she would have too many hurdles to jump to win. Gingrich is another elite who does not have the public trust.
    I would love to see the candidate be a dark horse that the media isn’t seeing. Maybe a great current governor or Congressman?

  • belcatar

    At the Maine Republican Convention in 2008, I saw Mr. Romney speak. I have to hand it to him, he knows how to work a crowd with smiles and aw-shucks deprecating humor. I can see how he could win people over, at least those who might not be aware of his political record.

    I can’t support him because he’s a political chameleon. He’ll put on whatever skin he thinks will help him blend in with the people he’s trying to woo. I don’t want a chameleon, I want one of those gila monsters, who doesn’t make any bones about who he is and what he wants to do.

    I’d really like to see Haley Barbour or Mike Pence make a run at it. Mike Pence seems have the right ideas about things. I know he doesn’t have executive experience, but with integrity and a firm grasp of the Constitution and the role of the President, I think he would do a fine job. Barbour has a good mix of executive experience and integrity, at least from what I’ve seen of him. He’d be a good stabilizing force in the White House. I really think we need that kind of presence there after years of uncertainty.

  • victrola

    I was a huge Romney hater in 2008, and I’m definitely against RomneyCare.

    I will say that the Democrat legislature overrode several of his vetoes and completely changed what was a more pro-market bill that the Heritage Foundation had endorsed. I could see that coming a mile away however; anytime you let government in, it takes over like a parasite.

    My issue is, who else is out there that has said they’re going to run? I would prefer Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio over Mitt, but I doubt either will run. The “surefire” names floating around worry me, and are also not ideal conservatives. I don’t think we should even consider a Republican unless they have a good shot at beating Obama. Whatever his faults, I do believe Romney would have an excellent shot at beating Obama.

    I also think there is merit to the theory that Mitt is more conservative than he lets on, but he was Governor of a very liberal state. National Review endorsed him for the Republican nomination, and Rush Limbaugh even voted for him, so I can’t quickly dismiss him.

    Unless someone jumps in that we don’t know about yet, I think he makes sense in a imperfect field.

    • Remington_Steele
  • davidabippus

    An issue that I have with Romney is on taxes. In a recent address at The Heritage Foundation and in his book, Romney makes it clear that he is not in favor of the Fair Tax or a flat tax. In his book, he says “Under the Fair Tax, Bill Gates would pay only about $17 million in taxes – his tax bill would thus drop from $200 million to $17 million.” He claims that the burden of taxation would be shifted to the middle class. I disagree. 1. It is Bill Gates’ money and he should keep more of it and be free to do with it what he chooses. The government certainly will not make efficient or effective use of it. 2. The Fair Tax or a flat tax would broaden the tax base and ensure that everyone participates in carrying the load.
    He is firmly standing by RomneyCare and is trying to shift the blame to the legislature and his successor. He chose to work with Ted Kennedy on this issue just like W did with No Child Left Behind. How did that work out? I see Romney as another establishment / big government Republican that has name recognition. I don’t think that he is the answer. I have tried to give Romney the benefit of the doubt numerous times, but he has yet to convince me that he is a conservative.

    • Remington_Steele

      You say, “He claims that the burden of taxation would be shifted to the middle class. I disagree…. 2. The Fair Tax or a flat tax would broaden the tax base and ensure that everyone participates in carrying the load.”

      If rich people pay less, than who pays the rest? Umm, that’s leaves the middle class and poor folks. I’m all for keeping my money, but even as a conservative, I don’t want to make up for what Bill Gates would not be paying into the system. We need to significantly reduce government spending and taxation. The Fair Tax site says it would raise $358 billion more than the taxes it replaces. Thus, not only would it increase the burden on the middle class, but overall taxation goes up.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    He’s the default at the moment, because not that many people actually hate him. Once real people get in the race, he’ll fade like winter bermuda.

    You know what? I guess that does make him a front runner, in the horse racing sense. A horse that bolts out to the lead at the beginning, sets the pace, and then fades long before the final turn.

    • chihank

      David Frum is hoping that Huckabee could neutralize Palin. But careful what you wish for Frum. I think Huckabee is a formible candidate in his own right. Huckabee could win the GOP nomination.

      The establishment ought to worry about Thune, Pawlenty, and Daniels. These guys hurt Romney. The question is will the Establishment chase conservative alternatives away to rally around Romney? Goerge Herbert W. Bush and his wife, Barbara Bush like Romney.

      • E Pluribus Unum

        Yes, fellow squishes like those you named can divide the Establishment/squish support. The trouble comes if we have a couple of formidable conservatives (or thought-to-be conservatives) like Palin and Barbour who split the conservative base/TP constituency, while only one powerful squish garners that whole Establishment sector.

        That would be a problem.

  • howardbeale

    …he’ll stamp it out.

    • howardbeale

      Is a waste of time. Just say no to Romney.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    It is the Presidential candidate who has never run for office before.

  • cactusjack

    when McCain started to run away with it. Romney has a clever answer on health care: it was the laboratory of States experimenting, it was just for Massachusetts not all the other 49 states, never intended as a nationwide cramdown. That will work with a lot of people including moderates but it leaves this conservative feeling still a little queasy about why did he go there in the first place. But God forbid the economy stays stuck in Recession another 12 months, and O screws up foreign policy (where Romney is pretty strong) this election will walk right up to his front door he won’t have to chase it. Inside Huckabee is a liberal waiting to get out. Inside Romney is a conservative waiting to get out. Should he be shown mercy for the big mistake that was Romneycare? You decide ,but wait awhile.

    • powertothepeople

      A Jim DeMint endorsement due to a shallow gene pool and to keep a blatant moderate such as McCain from being the front leader is a far cry from meaning we should support him now. Considering Jim is not behind Mitt this time, lets follow that endorsement or lack of endorsement instead.

      And please, do not believe us to be fools. No one here is buying the whole “conservative Romney” facade so stop trying to sell it. If you like him and he is who you want to support, fine. But stop trying to blow smoke up our ass, we do not need the smokey after taste.

      • cactusjack

        “[Romneycare] leaves this [cactus] conservative feeling a little queasy about why did he (Romney)go there in the first place ?” And I stand by the assertion, not that I want it so, but that it will happen, if the economy stays in the tank 12 months the entire landscape will shift and the Repub nomination for 2012 will FedEx itself to Mitt. A further prognostication about ground shifting – if for some reason, the nation is in the throes of an anti corruption mode – massive political corrpution with the Dems exposed, massive corporate and Wall Street further exposed – you have no idea how well Sarah will run in that setting. It is how she got elected in Alaska as Governor. Hockey Mom from small town will eat that up and even MSM couldnt stop it.

      • Scope

        “A Jim DeMint endorsement due to a shallow gene pool and to keep a blatant moderate such as McCain from being the front leader is a far cry from meaning we should support him now.” I think you can get a little stronger with your rhetoric. McCain was far more than a representative of a shallow gene pool, he was scarped from the bottom of the pool, and propped up by those that hold the same faulty genes.

        It seems that if you can turn a losing Olympic proposition around, you are good to go, even with the many facts that countries that have hosted the Olympics have gone broke.

  • cactusjack

    Dems fear so badly they won’t let on: he is the one Repub in 2012 who, as bad as things are there, could campaign in and take Michigan. Big blue industrial state Michigan with almost as many EC votes as Ohio. Where no other REpub has a chance. This would completely upset the Dem EC road map to victory. THey would have to fightand defend all over the map where they thought was safe No Repub takes the WH without Ohio in the modern era, but this actually changes that maxim which was one of Nixon’s BTW No one understood electoral college “road mapping” strategy better than Nixon and his team though Rove was a close 2nd. s

    • Scope

      why are there almost no MSM networks coming out strongly against him? The Liberal networks have for the most part let Romney slide, while they trash,bash and mash Palin. The left always lets you know who they fear most, and, from what I’m seeing, Romney isn’t on their radar to any large degree. He is on the radar of the Conservatives, and, not only articles, but all the ensuing comments are mainly against Romney. It can be taken to the bank, at this point in our political landscape, that the Liberals will not choose our candidate, as they did in 2008.

      • cactusjack

        is breaking out all over, MSMs hate-Palin every day campaign has backfired and just made her and Bristol regular celebrities, while Sarah Palin’s Alaska TLC series is killing in the ratings on TV. I was just commenting on the EC mechanics, for Repub Presidential candidates after all the other states go their way or within MOE, the EC roadmap just turns Ohio in to the battleground for the Republican to have to win or die in. But if a Repub can take MI and doesn’t have to take Ohio, it’s a sea change of the whole map – it creates about 4 different new combinations of states on the EC road map that open up for the Repub, and same number of pathways the Dems suddenly have to start defending. As they say in the military, any Republican taking Michigan is a real “force muliplier” for us in the Electoral College.

      • JSobieski

        one shouldn’t presume that the left’s assessment of a candidate is accurate.

        Remember 1980. Democrats WANTED Reagan to win because they thought he would be easier to beat. There is no reason to presume that leftists are better at assessing candidate strengths than anyone else. To the contrary, I think they are far worse.

        Relying on your adversary to tell you who your stronger candidates are and who your weaker candidates are is pure foolishness.

        It is ironic that in a comment where you point out that “Liberals will not choose our candidate” that you rely on the left’s lack of fear of Romney to convince you that Romney is a loser.

        Romney is a loser, but the meme of the left letting you know who they fear most is not a good way to evaluate candidates. The Left miscalculates more than your average pundit.

        • JSobieski

          nt

          • Scope

            that the Liberals are in any way accurate in assessing/choosing our candidate. That is a different animal than saying they let you know who they fear. Those fears will change over time, depending on who gets into the race, and how well they are received by the Republicans/Conservatives by way of fundraising, volunteers, and polling etc. I doubt many would deny that they fear Palin, and have for 2 years. That doesn’t mean their fears are accurate. Palin may not even run. I think her recent comment that she wouldn’t run if she became a distraction, only feed into their goals of making her a distraction, or so tarnished that she wouldn’t run. It was almost self defeatist on Palin’s part.

            There may be some that rely on the left’s shenanigans to tell them who is weaker or stronger in the Republican field, but, I am not one of them, and I do not think I indicated that. I do not know who all will run, and, therefore cannot decide yet who I will support, but I will choose for myself regardless of what the Liberals have to say. They will have alot to say though.

            Currently, the only R candidate that has all but declared is Romney. According to polling, his name has most often come out on the top of the heap with a bunch of other names thrown in. I think the diarist is accurate in currently calling him the front runner, because right now he is the only one standing on the stage, so to speak. I am curious as to why the MSM has not started throwing their garbage cans at him.

          • JSobieski

            “The left always lets you know who they fear most, and, from what I

          • Scope

            consider Palin 100% ineffective with respect to qualifications for the presidency? I believe that is what we are talking about here. I would say it is a very high number with the Liberals, and also a goodly number of Republicans. How many times have you seen it written and said that she is an idiot, she is a quitter, she is unqualified to be president, and on and on. Yet the Left does fear Palin, no doubt about that. So are their fears of her irrelevant because they are inaccurate? How do we know that is inaccurate, as we haven’t held any primaries yet, I don’t know if she will even run, and if no one else shows up to the rodeo that surpasses Palin’s qualifications, is it still inaccurate? I don’t think those answers can be known at this point.

            In 2008, when there was a ground swell of supporters coming out to encourage Fred Thompson to run, and, he was topping some polls, even before he got into the race, the Left went on the attack. They attacked his young “trophy” wife, and made him out to sound like a pervert because he had very young children, with a young wife, among other attacks. Were there fears irrelevant because they were inaccurate then? The attacks on him started long before most Republicans even knew much about him, or what kind of campaign he would run if he entered the race. The no fire in the belly meme began before anyone had any chance to witness how much fire he had or didn’t.

            I may be misunderstanding what you are trying to say with respect to “who they fear is irrelevant if they are inaccurate.” Inaccurate in what way? Do you mean who can get the support of the majority of the Primary voters on our side, and who is perceived to be able to beat the Democrat? Do we even know who that will be at this time? How can the Left be inaccurate with their fears when we don’t even know who is running yet. I’m stumped on your use of the term inaccurate, while I do agree that who the left fears should be irrelevant. If there ever was such a thing as the perfect candidate, the left’s fear would go into overdrive, and, they will do everything imaginable to change the peoples perceptions of that candidate, up to and including making stuff up and lying about them. In that case their fears would in fact be accurate. Their fears should be irrelevant, but, unfortunately there are still plenty of voters out there that still rely on the MSM to get their info on any candidates, and, some really do believe whatever they hear.

            I very well may have been premature in saying that Romney has still not hit the left’s radar as a fear factor, but, if he remains the favorite candidate of the Blue Bloods, some elites, and some pundits, he will surely enter the realm of Leftist fear, accurately or not, as, I don’t know where he will wind up in the primaries. I give the left’s fear factor credence only because they can, and do, try to destroy whatever candidate they see as gaining any steam. Unfortunately there are some that buy into their lies, and, if you don’t take their trashing seriously, and counter it, you can wind up with a severely bruised and battered candidate that would otherwise be solid, and in that case would be accurate.

          • JSobieski

            You are entitled to use whatever methodology you want to use in supporting candidates. However, you should realize that the left is wrong about a lot of things, both ideologically as well as politically.

            The left thought Castle would automatically win Delaware. Do you agree with that assessment? I don’t.

            The left thought McCain would be a formidable candidate in 2008? Do you agree? I don’t.

            When has the left been right about anything?

            I am not attacking Palin or defending Romney in this comment (I prefer Palin over Romney, but that isn’t saying much).

            My point is that to care about the assessments made by the left is foolish. They are more often wrong than right.

            So any weighing of candidates by factoring in how the left views them is folly in my view. If you can try to take Palin out of the equation for a moment, and realize where your logic takes you more generally, I think you would cease using the meme of the left fearing Palin because such fear is utterly irrelevant if one looks at it logically.

            There is also no doubt that the left hates Palin more than anybody else. But again, I don’t see how any of that is relevant to us.

            I don’t want the left to choose our presidential candidates. Neither to you. So why is left’s “radar” on your radar?

            To explain it a different way, if the left is not assessing things properly, then their sense of relative fear (i.e. which candidate they fear more than others) is as likely to be 180 degrees wrong as it is to be right. The left is populated by a lot of nut jobs. Their fears, hopes, and hatreds have no place in a rational discussion on our side.

  • http://www.buckforcolorado.com bjwilson83

    Establishment RINO (Romney) vs. grassroots conservative (Palin). Have we learned nothing from 2010? (Yes, I know there are others. I’m talking about *credible* candidates right now.)

  • 4commonsense

    This guy is the biggest of the little-big government crowd.