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Docs 4 Patient Care are Warriors Against Obamacare

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Docs 4 Patient Care is a group of doctors who are fighting fiercely to repeal Obamacare, or the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). For months now, they have been quietly waging war against socialized medicine without much help or recognition. However, on July 27th, Dr. Mark Neerhof (a member of Doctors 4 Patient Care) sparred with Dr. Arnold Widen (a doctor in favor of Obamacare) in a no holds barred debate on a Chicago radio station that was moderated by Milton Rosenberg.

Dr. Neerhof comes out swinging in the beginning of the debate by pounding the other side with a plethora of facts. Specifically, Dr. Neerhof uses Massachusetts as a template for the perils of socialized medicine, since government run health care in MA is now proving to be a disastrous idea.

Neerhof begins by pointing out the following facts–

*Obamacare is destructive to the overall quality of health care.

*MA now has the highest health insurance premiums in the country.

*MA now has the longest wait times to see a doctor (in Boston it is now 70 days to see an OBGYN, whereas it used to be 40 days).

*MA has experienced an enormous increase in volume in the ER since they’ve instituted government run health care.

*Eighteen out of thirty-four million Americans that the PPACA now covers will simply be placed on Medicaid, which will drown the states in debt. (IL is already almost bankrupt.)

*Obamacare is destined to fail. Three quarters of insurers in MA are, now, going bankrupt and are begging to increase their rates–it is the only way that they can afford to cover people with pre-existing conditions that didn’t buy insurance ahead of time.

Then, in closing out his argument, Dr. Neerhof agrees that health care reform is necessary, but states that it is a lie that 45 million Americans are now uninsured. Dr. Neerhof points out that 37% of those uninsured make over $50,000 a year and could easily afford to buy health insurance if they wanted it. Furthermore, Neerhof explains that 20% of those 45 million are illegal immigrants, and 33% are eligible for some kind of government programs (like SCHIPS or Medicaid). In other words, there are only between 10-15 million Americans that are uninsured and truly can’t afford to buy health insurance. (Later in the debate, Dr. Neerhof suggests using high risk pools subsidized by the government to deal with these truly needy Americans.)

Now, it should interest one to know that Dr. Neerhof’s assertions about the true number of Americans that can’t afford health insurance is backed up by this very interesting Reason TV video below, that cites a Johns Hopkins University study.

After Dr. Neerhof finished his opening remarks, Milton Rosenberg (the moderator) asked Dr. Arnold Widen if Obamacare was “spreading the wealth around”. Dr. Widen responded by freely admitting that Obamacare was “spreading the wealth around”–and surprisingly, this turned out to be his least shocking comment. Dr. Widen then proceeded to filibuster with a rant of collectivist sounding Obamaisms such as “health care is a human right”…”the health care bill doesn’t go far enough and we really need a public option”….”I really want a single payer system like Britain or Canada”…..”rationed care is the only way to control costs”….”Obamacare is a tax, but that isn’t germane and you don’t have the option not to buy health insurance”…..and my all time favorite far-leftist rationalization from Dr. Widen in favor of Obamacare—

“The federal government has every right to mandate that you buy health insurance and if you are against it, then you are against public health.”


Really???!!!!
Thanks so much for that clarification Dr. Widen. I didn’t realize that I was “against public health” (especially since I have a master’s degree in public health). Since you think that the federal government knows what’s best for me with regard to my own health care, what other aspects of my life do you think that the federal government should control? Please, please, share–I am all ears. But, I digress.

When Dr. Neerhof finally got the chance to respond to Dr. Widen (Dr. Widen filibustered for so long that Mr. Rosenberg had to remind him that there was “an equal time requirement”), he laid out an excellent six point battle plan to reform health care that would suit the majority of Americans much better than Obamacare would.

1.) Tort Reform (Obamacare has nothing about tort reform in it.)
2.) Portability or being able to buy insurance over state lines (which I can personally attest can save one thousands of dollars–more on this later.)
3.) Tax breaks going to individuals instead of employers so health care is not tied to your job.
4.) High risk pools subsidized by the government for people with pre-existing conditions that are too expensive to insure.
5.) Small business pools.
6.) Health savings accounts.

Finally, Dr. Widen closes out the debate by fallaciously stating how popular single payer systems are in Canada and Britain (yeah, that’s why anyone who can afford to comes to the US for major surgery).

Now, before I proceed to poke holes in Dr. Widen’s argument about how beloved the single payer system is in Britain and Canada, I would like to share something with you all. As some of my regular readers are aware, last fall I was diagnosed with chronic Guillain Barre’ or chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (or CIDP), which is an autoimmune disease where you make antibodies that attack the myelin sheath of your nerves. (It is similar to MS, but MS attacks the central nervous system whereas CIDP attacks the peripheral nervous system). I have previously written in great detail about my illness. (Furthermore, last spring, I was also diagnosed with hypothyroidism and Prinzmetal’s angina–if you get one autoimmune disease, it’s easy to develop another one.)

I was treated with intravenous immunoglobulins, or IVIG for my CIDP. How is this relevant to the subject matter at hand? Simple. I was living in Atlanta, GA during my first dose of IVIG, and I had Blue Cross of Georgia who stated that it would cost me a $5000 per treatment co-pay (or a grand total of $30,000, because I was to be treated with IVIG for six months). Well, when it was time for my second dose of IVIG, I had already moved to Charleston, SC, and thus was going through Blue Cross of South Carolina. Now, Blue Cross of SC told me that I would only have to make one payment of $1200 for the entire six months of treatment with IVIG (one treatment with IVIG costs $30.000 out of pocket). In other words, I saved over $25,000 by moving from GA to SC–so anyone who tells you that being allowed to buy health insurance over state lines won’t help bring down health care costs is at best uninformed, and at worst, outright lying. Now, I realize that to ideological liberals, like Dr. Widen, unicorn farts, pixie dust and big government, airy Obamaisms sound like the answer to solving our health care crisis. However, I would be willing to bet that real Americans are interested in solutions that will save them over $25,000, instead of more kitten whiskers and feel good, big brother ideology.

By the way, why don’t we take a look at Dr. Widen’s claim that socialized medicine is “popular” in England and Canada. Well, John Stossel did an in-depth report about both countries health care systems (see embed below), and he begs to differ (and so do the doctors from those two countries). For example, health care rationing has gotten so bad in England, that some people pull their own teeth (they use vodka and a pair or pliers). Acutely ill people wait at least 23 hours to be admitted to the hospital, some towns in Canada hold a monthly lottery to see who will get a family physician, and people in England and Canada wait an average of six months to see a neurologist–and then six more months for an MRI. This fact hit me particularly hard, because A.) I didn’t have to wait six days for my neurologist to get me an MRI, and B.) because I could have wound up severely debilitated if I had had to wait that long for a diagnosis and treatment (now, I am a recent medical school graduate who is planning on starting her residency in a year or two).

Oh, but there is a silver lining here. There is a clinic in Canada where you can get an MRI or a CT scan the day after you injure yourself–you just have to walk on four legs for this clinic to see you.

Furthermore, British Parliament member, Daniel Hannan, told Glenn Beck pretty similar horror stories about the British National Health Service or NHS. Mr. Hannan explained that you are “immediately sent to the back of the cue” and that, even if you are in severe pain, they won’t let you pay for pain medication–you must just sit and wait for hours in pain. Hannan went on to explain that the average wait time for a knee replacement is twelve months, surgery for a herniated disc is five months, and cataract surgery is eight months. Not to mention, if you can’t work during this waiting period, then you are losing income. (So much for the whole “free health care” thingy.) Then Mr. Hannan added the following–

“The worst thing to be in our system is elderly”.

Moreover, Mr. Hannan explained that health care is the single biggest item of the government budget, and that the NHS is the third largest employer in the world (it employs 1.4 million people). Not to mention, most of the employees aren’t doctors or nurses–they are administrators. In other words, if we in the US get something like the NHS, there’s no undoing it. We’re stuck with it for good.

So, in conclusion, I realize that some of this might be hard for our leftist friends to digest. They just aren’t into those pesky facts–they much prefer pixie dust and “Yes we can!”. However, that is why it is so important to keep fighting this health care battle by getting our message out. We have to bombard the American people with all of the facts so that they can make an educated choice with regard to this matter, and not get suckered in by “Hope and Change” again. And, Docs 4 Patient Care are just the warriors that we need on our side to help us win the war of ideas when it comes to health care/repealing Obamacare. Their website is right here if you are able to make a contribution to their fight. But at the very least, let’s all try to email the link to their website out and spread the word to as many people as we can via Tea Party, internet, family gatherings, etc. Remember, we don’t want the same people who run our DMV to run our health care system. Some things in life are worth fighting for.

PS–Docs 4 Patient Care has endorsed the following candidates for supporting the group’s fight to repeal Obamacare–

Dr. Dan Benishek (1st District, Michigan)

Mo Brooks (5th District, Alabama)

Christiana Jeffrey (4th District, South Carolina)

Dr. Deborah Honeycutt (13th District, Georgia)

Dr. Chris Salvino (5th District, Arizona)

Carly Fiorina (Senate, California)

Joe Miller (Senate, Alaska) Pending Approval by vetting committee

socialized medicine

This diary was originally posted at NewsReal and The Minority Report.

COMMENTS

  • pilgrim

    I especially liked the choices of candidates this group has endorsed, but one of the people listed, Christiana Jeffrey is no longer the candidate for SC-04. The really good news about SC-04 is that Bob Ingles is also not the candidate.

    I definitely hope Dan Beneshik wins this Tuesday, and that Dr Honeycutt wins on the next Tuesday. I am not so familiar about candidates in AZ-05.

    • Susannah

      I’ll be back for a little while at least. I had to postpone my latest exam until the end of August, because my neck and upper back spasmed out on me the night before (it’s actually a lot better now). I am going to Atlanta next week to get a spinal epidural, so I should be a lot better after that. I don’t really have to study much more, because I was done with my studying for this exam anyway (I’ll just have to do a few questions to brush up).

      Anyway, Dr. Dan Benishik’s race is on August the third, so I’m glad that I was able to write this in time for his primary.

      Take care. :-)

      X0X0, Suzi

      • ladyimpactohio

        and unfortunately he is thick-headed like Widen. An ultra-progressive brasileiro. Based on your shared diagnosis I’m sure you are under the care of a neurologist. Ohio is in the dumper for healthcare. So many people are out of work they now have no health insurance and are all showing up at the ER and then can’t pay and docs are left holding the bag. We have 2 hospitals in the Toledo area which may close because OH law mandates anyone coming to the ER must be treated even if they can’t pay and are way in the red.

        And unfortunately the neurologist I live with blames all his financial troubles on Bush. There are a ton of docs who are advocates of single-payer. When they start getting hit in the pocket-book they’ll change their tune. Except the one I live with is too stubborn to admit it.

        • Susannah

          I appreciate the support. And yes, I am under the care of a neurologist (the same one that I rotated under in medical school). Show my diary to your significant other–perhaps it might help penetrate through the Obama fog. The kool-aid is strong, but I’ve seen it wear off when even the most die-hard of drinkers are hit with the facts (and/or in the pocketbook).

          Take care and have a good night. :-)

          X0X0, Suzi

          • ladyimpactohio

            prepared by Rep. Kevin Brady. I did a post on it last week. I printed one out and gave a copy to my stubborn, Scorpio brasileiro and he didn’t even look at it.

            http://www.redstate.com/ladyimpactohio/2010/07/28/obamacare-nightmare-flow-chart-brought-to-you-by-congressional-spenders/

          • Susannah

            ….I was sick last week and trying to study when I felt good enough, so I missed this one. Great diary by the way! It is an excellent visual example of what I’m talking about–especially the part about the 16,500 more IRS agents (that totally backs up what Daniel Hannan says about the majority of these kinds of jobs being administrative jobs). Thanks again for posting it here.

            Take care. :-)

            X0X0, Suzi

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        there is nothing left to say!

        • Susannah

          I appreciate the support. Sorry that it took me so long to respond to you, but I just got back from Atlanta night before last (for my spinal epidural), and I was resting all day yesterday.

          Take care, and it was nice to hear from you. :-)

          X0X0, Suzi

  • penguin2

    way for government sponsored health care to be economically feasible.
    The story you have presented about Socialized medicine is true, and the ones who will suffer first and foremost, will be the vulnerable in our society: the chronically ill, the disabled and the elderly. Tragic irony here is that it is the poor who tend to have more health problems, thus the negatives of government care will fall on them disproportionately. If this goes forth, and is fully implemented, we need to remember that the extreme of Central Planning requires that people be useful to the State, and if one is not……

    Glad to see you back, Susannah, and hope you are feeling better.

    • Susannah

      You are totally right about the most vulnerable in society being the ones who are hurt the most by socialized medicine.

      I am glad to be back and am feeling much better. It’s great, as always, to hear from you.

      Take care. :-)

      X0X0, Suzi

      • penguin2

        that I want candidates to win, like Dr. Benishek, who is a citizen activist, not a career politician.

  • votesmart

    Excellent article highlighting the efforts of the organization Docs 4 Patient Care and the common sense rationale that they present for the need for repeal / reform of “Obama-care”. I am proud that Mo Brooks, Candidate for Congress AL-05 is in my district and Mo Brooks has been endorsed by Docs 4 Patient Care. Mo Brooks is the conservative we need in Congress for fiscal responsibility and individual liberties. Americans please donate to and rally behind those candidates that have been endorsed for their stance on the need to repeal Obamacare. That is the only way we can turn this around is to fund those candidates that will step up and make a stand for what is right.

    http://mobrooksforcongress.com/n/

    • Susannah

      …I appreciate the kind words. Good luck to Mr. Brooks, Dr. Benishik and all of the candidates that have been endorsed by Docs 4 Patient Care. We definitely need them in this fight.

      Take care. :-)

      Sincerely, Susannah

  • David123

    Also, another point can be made from your diary in passing on one of the disadvantages of socialism: “Not to mention, most of the employees aren?t doctors or nurses?they are administrators.”

    You’ve got young people starting out – what career choice will they make? Will they be able to find a job as a doctor or nurse or doing something else inherently productive, or will they be better off in a career as an administrator?

    Society overall will be better off with relatively few administrators and more doctors and nurses.

    • Susannah

      I appreciate the kind words. And, I completely agree with you that the fact that the majority of NHS employees are administrators is frightening.

      Take care, and it’s great to hear from you. :-)

      X0X0, Suzi

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    go here and browse through the column labeled NHS. Or he can read this.

    Nice, viable system, eh?

    • Susannah

      “The National Health Service is providing dying cancer patients with drugs that are five times less effective than those available privately and is refusing to treat them if they try to buy medicines themselves. ”

      Everyone who is in favor of a single payer system should read it.

      Take care and have a good night. :-)

      X0X0, Suzi

      • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

        Here and here.

        Maybe not quite as chilling, but eye-opening nonetheless.

        • Susannah

          ….Those two are definitely eye-opening–although I found the first one about the increase in solid tumors to be pretty chilling as well.

          Take care. :-)

          X0X0, Suzi

  • lineholder

    First I will tell you how glad I am for your sake and the sake of your family that you were able to get the treatments you needed to treat this illness.

    I’m studying HIM (Health Information Management). Just like every other healthcare-related field, HIM is facing its share of challenges in response to both HITECH and PPACA legislation. There are so many different facets to this situation that the general public isn’t aware of at this time.

    A lot of people don’t realize that Medicaid reimbursement rates are lower than the costs incurred by physicians. Every time a doctor sees a Medicaid patient, they do so at a financial loss. They can only take so many of these patients and yet remain financially solvent. Trying to find options that would allow them to reduce costs so that they might at least be able to break even with Medicaid reimbursement rates is a huge, huge challenge.

    I know that the health care industry as a whole isn’t in a position where it can sit around on its hands and wait until 2012 hoping that a repeal will take place or that tort reform will magically occur. I realize that they are looking at every option they can find that will allow them to minimize the impact of PPACA. I also recognize that for a lot of doctors this means sacrificing their own autonomy.

    If any such doctors are reading this post, I can only tell you how genuinely grateful I am for your willingness to do this. Thank you.

    • Susannah

      ….Thank you for your excellent comment about Medicaid reimbursements. You make an great point about doctors are not being able to stay in business because of such low reimbursements by Medicaid. I did my family practice rotation with a very liberal doctor who was a huge Obama supporter (who was a nice guy by the way), but refused to take Medicaid because of the low reimbursements. He eventually had to close his practice and join a group, because he couldn’t afford to be in private practice any more. It was sad, really.

      Thanks for your comment and take care. :-)

      Sincerely, Susannah

      • lineholder

        Actually, I have about fifty of them but I think this particular question is very relevant to the situation.

        Medicaid is a joint program between the federal government and the states. Are the tax increases we will be seeing through PPACA to cover ONLY the financial commitments made by the federal government?

        If that is true, does it mean that we could all be seeing drastic increases in our states taxes to meet the necessary co-requisite contribution to Medicaid on the behalf of the states?

        If this is a possibility, has anyone on the Republican side of this situation been drawing attention to this fact? And wouldn’t this be a good time to bring up this particular issue? Before the election?

        • Susannah

          …..Yes, states will most probably have to raise taxes in order to accommodate all of the new Medicaid recipients–otherwise, they will be drowning in debt and running huge deficits. The WSJ wrote more on this issue–

          http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704446704575206380880867088.html

          I hope that this helps.

          Take care. :-)

          X0X0, Suzi

  • tapout

    I am an Emergency Physician with a new found calling to conservative political activism. I have been trying to wake up my colleagues to the fact that as Doctors we can no longer abdicate the decision making processes in medicine to bureaucrats and beancounters. Just as we as individual citizens bear responsibility for the Government we have now, as Physicians we are also individually accountable for the current state of Medicine. We have been burying our collective heads in the sand and letting the least involved have the most decision-making power. I am so greatful that there is an organization like Docs4patientcare to really help lead and represent the opinions of most Physicians.

    • Susannah

      ….I realize that it’s hard to be an ER physician (you guys have some crazy hours) and be a political activist, but we need more experienced voices like yours. Thanks so much for your new found activism.

      Take care and have a nice day. :-)

      Sincerely, Susannah