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As the Civil Rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer famously said, I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. It is a fatigue of the spirit and the body. I hope to never know it as Fannie knew it but I am pretty worn down. Oppressive government will do that, be you black or white.
For a long time and especially since the Obama tribe began their rule, productive Americans have been under attack. I own and run a small business in Texas. I give money to conservative Republicans. Small business folks are targeted for elimination and too many of my peers have crashed and burned already. Statists know that the small business types are largely in the Republican camp. If small business suffers enough, their laid-off workers can be lured to the plantation to vote perpetually for the Donks.

Statists and their plantation go hand in hand. After the healthcare cram down we know all Democrats are statists and liars. It undeniable. They know that everybody knows but they are too drunk with super majority power to give a rip. They are on a mission and the clock is ticking.
. . . . . Hitching up and starting the long pull.
My wife of 40 years and I married when we were both 19. Father Kamel first said he wouldn’t permit it because of our age and then, for goodness sakes, I was a . . . Presbyterian. It would never work, he said. Nevertheless, we coerced Father Kamel into marrying us on D-Day, 1970. We had a high time a short drive down the road honeymooning in Waco. You could say we were easily entertained. Good thing too . . . back in those days not many parents could or would spring for a Bahamas wedding gift. Nowadays most every Jack and Jill are under a lot of pressure to have the perfect honeymoon. Poor spoilt little darlings.
From the beginning the bride and I both worked, earning the princely sum of $5.95 per hour . . . when you combined our pay. We were penny-bag poor but we didn’t notice it much or covet much either. 33 pennies would buy a gallon of ethyl back them.
College soon took a back seat to making ends meet. I never got fully indoctrinated. What I did get was a pretty little girl baby nine months after Waco.
My parents were conservative Republicans. They were low born but worked their way to the middle. They tried to paint a conservative stripe on me but my unsettled character made me a squish. When Nixon got caught, I got mad and talked myself and my wife into voting for, may God forgive me, Jimmy Carter. His malaise and his pissing away of Iran and Nicaragua confirmed me as a straight ticket Republican. I figure my character began to improve about the same time.
. . . . . A life lesson on labor relations, Hoffa style.
Our circumstances improved when I got a job in Dallas at a non-union LTL freight forwarder. $7 per hour was good pay back then in Dallas. The ruthless Teamster thugs over at Yellow Freight and Roadway kept getting new contracts. To compete the company I worked for went along. I learned to really hate the teamsters and all their union work rules they inflicted on me when I had to take freight to a union dock. Those thugs nearly beat to death a co-worker for ignoring their stupid work rules. Not a damn thing was done about it. Nothing. That sort of thing leaves a mark and it left one on me for life.
I held on to the freight job and life was OK until I got one of “those” phone calls. Dad survived the wreck for 6 days. A friend read at the funeral from a piece of paper found in his wallet. Seems Dad knew I would need a little help keeping the faith. Grave-side, the honor guard played Taps and handed me a flag. Then it was over. The suddeness and the finality of death was shocking. Another mark. Miserere nobis.
By 1982 the country was coming out of its malaise. Reagan was our cheerleader. I had managed to scrape together a little pile. Well, any Texan that could put together a few thousand dollars in ’82 was a man that just had to be his own boss. With a pitch-in from friends, I was open for business.
Being unschooled in business matters led to miscalculations. The pillaging of retail customers was more difficult than it looked. Two months in, things were pretty grim.
. . . . . That’s when it happened.
Late one evening I was feeling sick over my new venture and on the edge of exhaustion. I went to a bedroom and got down on my knees. I put it all in God’s hands and said “Your will be done.” I meant it, too.
Right away, as if on cue, Fat Bill showed up looking for a job. He was a no-account no-good but he knew some things. He taught me what I didn’t know and that was plenty. I hated to fire him a year later for palming a twenty, but I did.
About the same time that Fat Bill signed on, a rep from the credit arm of a big company came around. He spent the day observing and said he figured I was good for more than I deserved at 6 over (that meant over 20% interest). I signed those papers dang quick. With the credit line in place it suddenly began to rain customers from the rust belt. Most were good people from Michigan, Ohio and Indiana where they had once made things on assembly lines. They were looking for a new start in Texas. I had the furniture and appliances they needed. If you think this turn of fortunes was fate or luck, check your premise. Some people say prayers aren’t answered by a living God. They are.
. . . . . The voluntary hand up perpetuates the best of America
It was surprising how many people along the way were willing to help. Some people call it a good old boy network. I call it a good thing if the good old boys are good and they let the girls play too. We did some good for each other and for our communities. We paid our fair share of civic rent, for sure.
The right friends and mentors are good for the soul . . . and for business. They will show you that doing good pays back 3 for 1. They’ll teach you how to stand up to looters. So I didn’t pay much attention when one of the Kennedy boys told the Wall Street Journal our type of business operated like “sharks upon the minnows.” Who the hell was he to say? How rich it was. . . to be called a crook by a dolt from a family of crooks. The whole country would be better if the Kennedys had stayed with running whiskey but apparently politics has better perks.
. . . . . The politics of business.
Since a lot of people tend to say that business gives the customer a bad deal, I became involved in several trade associations. These things are pure evil in too many ways but they are also absolutely necessary. There is power in numbers if you keep the crooks outside your number. I learned about this as president of a trade association. That was ten hard years that included a few compromises I don’t talk about.
Anyway, in the course of protecting my business from the looters in Congress, I had a chance to observe a fair number of politicians up close and personal. Some are good but they all want money.
It is only a little prejudiced to say this: virtually all Democrats are angry pricks and even the ones who seem nice are horribly misguided about how things really work. The only Democrat I ever thought I would like to know better is Charlie Gonzales from San Antonio. Hard to admit since his daddy was Henry B Gonzales. That old shoe salesman damn near put us out of business when he was Chairman of the Banking Committee. Henry made time to bash us even though he was dedicated to impeaching Daddy Bush for the first Iraq adventure. A true SOB, he was. Alas, he has gone on to his “reward” with all the other SOBs. Warmest wishes to them, one and all.
A lot Republicans are decent people, especially the conservative ones. They still want money but if you chip in, they will send you a glossy Christmas card with their family on it. By and large, they understand the things that average working Americans understand. I did meet one crazy Republican – Ron Paul. He liked to do all the talking, but that’s another diary.
You already know that a good many Senate Republicans do not have a clue what common folk are about. This is extra true about the Texas Senators, but all Senators are hard to reach because they are Royalists. You just have to learn to deal with it.
So today I am still pulling the wagon, trying to make payroll and have some left over. Recently, one of my “so whats” got clever and the EEOC knicked me really good over something really silly. Who knew a poster in the window saying “Support the Troops” would cost me 60K? The Feds also insisted I be re-educated. Seems I wasn’t sensitive enough to the rights of kook employees. It’s amazing what an aggressive new administration can do. Which leads me back to being sick and tired.
If you are not sick and tired of the current non stop beat down of productive Americans and the daily denigration of America, you must be a Democrat or a radical Islamist. Is there a difference? They both want to destroy America and they both are skilled at it. I give a slight edge to the Donks.
. . . . . The Big Shrug?
All the Obama crap of the last two years and too many incremental defeats over the last forty are calling out the Galt in me. The statists demand you keep working and keep paying for those who won’t or they will use their looter laws and their agency rules to make you pay even more. It is government larceny at the point of a gun. Ayn Rand said it this way:
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
So why not? Why not go Galt? I can’t go there because all those years ago I said “Your will be done.” And that’s the problem problem with Ayn. She was absolutely brilliant but she didn’t know God and she didn’t have any faith except in her own wisdom and the power of the free human mind. The conservative giant William Buckley knew the faults of Ayn Rand. Buckley characterized her as a mythogenist. I guess it is a bit of a stretch to imagine all the world’s productive people will withdraw to some mountain valley in Colorado. A myth, if you will.
I just can not give up on a country birthed by Divine intervention. The patriots before us risked all for freedom. They expect their legacy to be preserved. I figure they are holding a blood-stained marker on us all.

When the spirit is this troubled and the odds are stacked against you, there’s only one place to go. You go to your knees to talk with God. You promise to work to preserve the country against the statists. You ask Him to bless your efforts and to help you save the last best hope of man.
And then you set about your task, in faith. Dona nobis pacem. . . but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Very nice.
Tanggor (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 3:03PM EDT (link)I particularly liked:
“Some people say prayers aren’t answered by a living God. They are.”
Exactly and absolutely true.
“It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” – George Washington
Thanks Tanggor. Yes, absolutely true. :-) nt
texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:17PM EDT (link)A wonderful tale, one I appreciate
kc (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 5:18PM EDT (link)because I too have hauled things down that road. The crisis came for my wife and I when ahead of us on the road two criminals drove down a blind onramp and struck our son as he headed home driving the legal direction on his motorcycle. They met head on at 120 closing speed and we got to his torn body before he passed out. In the 5 weeks that followed he hung between life and death and we too had to leave things in the hands of G-d. Today he is back in society (living on his own and working) with an MBA earned from his hospital bed. He is disabled and has lost more than a young man of 25 should ever have to lose but he is still here and my wife and I thank G-d every night and share his company every week.
We have however not lost our faith in Ayn Rand. G-d gave us brains and we try to make the best use of them. Ayn’s relationship with G-d is of no importance to us. We each make up our own minds about our relationship with a Deity. What Obama and his minions are doing to the country must be reversed. Every tool that we have should be available to do this, and G-d will stand by us in the undertaking.
Good and bad things happen to every one of us – it is part of the price for being what we are. But we have to understand that politicians not only want money; they will lie every day to get it. Realizing as they do that they need the results of the producers, they will cozy up to us when it suits them. Realizing that it is the moochers who keep them in power they will turn on the producers and push them to the limit of their voluntary willingness to give and keep giving. We in turn must do what we can to find and support the politicians who understand that our society hangs by a thread and must move in the direction of individual freedom if we are to survive as a nation.
KC –This is still a free country
Thanks for your story
texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:39PM EDT (link)Things do seem to hanging by a thread.
Great post, my friend. Study the comments well.
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 5:42PM EDT (link)You’re taking thinking in a direction I like to see.
VB
Will do VB. As you have reminded
texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:41PM EDT (link)there are dragons to slay.
wish I could have your faith
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:16PM EDT (link)I had a lot of faith at one time, but not so much anymore.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Kyle8, your faith can be restored
texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 10:18PM EDT (link)You need only ask and really mean it. If you do this you will be favored.
If you can understand Hebrews 11:1
Tbone (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 9:14PM EDT (link)you will realize that faith can not be lost, only ignored.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
I just got baptized recently
Leopard1996 (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 9:36PM EDT (link)And I can tell you, I totally feel a 180 switch on things. Things that used to just piss me off to no end and totally wreck a day, have started to roll off my back, because I let Jesus into my heart.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Bless you, texasgalt, for writing this after living this.
janis (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:36PM EDT (link)You said the most important thing that I believe about how we live our lives– if we give our lives over to God, then whatever happens to them will be under His direction. And if we keep the faith with Him, follow where He leads us no matter how little sense it sometimes seems to make, then our efforts will be blessed.
And so we must do what seems an almost impossible task. We must take back our country from the hands of those who put only themselves and their hunger for power first. Then we must again put God back at the head of this country. Thank you for your generosity in sharing so much of your life.
There are a handful
texasgalt (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 10:31PM EDT (link)Of people commenting on RS that I try to always read. You are one of those people.
There’s a high hill to climb just ahead. Race you to the top!
What a lovely thing to say, texasgalt! And the feeling is
janis (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:04PM EDT (link)most definitely reciprocated. You’ve been a wonderful addition to RedState. I’ll take your challenge and I’ll bring the sandwiches for when we get there. Barbecued beef brisket okay for you?
Texasgalt, this is an outstanding post, and so much power....
penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:39PM EDT (link)and wisdom and faith flow right off the page as one reads it. What an extraordinary synopsis of your life experiences. And just the plain common sense of a wise man, an educated one, without even having to think about an intellectual label.
I am sure many along your life’s path have benefited from knowing you. These words were especially poignant:
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
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penguin2, thanks
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 12:58PM EDT (link)I think the story told is one that many small and medium business folks have been through.
Our job, I think is to do what we can to make sure the country will always provide great opportunity and leave the outcomes to the individuals. If we can’t get the job done in November, the country may require a generation or so to reclaim the founding principles.
Outstanding diary, texasgalt!
eburke (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 6:55PM EDT (link)Oh, and btw, been meaning to tell you that I *heart* your sig line in a major way.
As a native Texan, born and bred just outside of Dallas, what a great part of Texas history and so very applicable to the days in which we find ourselves.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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For you eburke and any who seek inspiration- the Travis letter
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 6:25PM EDT (link)sort of fits with the times . . . at least I feel surrounded these days.
From W.B. Travis and James Bowie
To James W. Fannin (at Goliad)
February 23, 1836
COMMANDANCY OF BEXAR: We have removed all the men to the Alamo where we make such resistance as is due our honor, and that of a country, until we can get assistance from you, which we expect you to forward immediately. In this extremity, we hope you will send us all the men you can spare promptly. We have one hundred and forty six men, who are determined never to retreat. We have but little provisions, but enough to serve us till you and your men arrive. We deem it unnecessary to repeat to a brave officer, who knows his duty, that we call on him for assistance.
To The People of Texas and
All Americans In The World –
February 24, 1836
Fellow citizens & compatriots —
I am beseiged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna — I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man — The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken — I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls — I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism, & every thing dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch — The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country —
VICTORY OR DEATH
William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comdt.
P.S. The Lord is on our side — When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn — We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels & got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves –
Absolutely one of the most inspiring letters in U.S./Texas history.
eburke (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 3:23PM EDT (link)And a figure unknown to virtually all in the rest of the country, and, unless they still require the kind of Texas history I was required to take many years ago, lost to Texans as well.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Less than 2 weeks later, the Alamo fell; however, the cry of "Remember the Alamo"! led Texas to victory a short 6 weeks after her fall,
Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 3:51PM EDT (link)at a place called San Jacinto. You don’t mess with Texans; I get the feeling that enough Americans are feeling that same call to arms that the remaining soldiers felt after the Alamo felt.
As I told someone on another thread a couple of days ago, I don’t think that I am the only person who will tell anyone who will listen that “they” will only be able to take this country from my cold, dead hands. I’m not giving up without a fight, and I think there are plenty more around the country just like me…..
Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride…..
ObamaCare is Obama's Alamo
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 4:28PM EDT (link)He and his socialists think they have won a victory but will lose the war. Calling in reinforcements from Mexico won’t work either.
This war is lost Mr. Obama. Surrender now or face the consquences.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
This is so nice, 'galt.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 10:32PM EDT (link)Both the story and the voice. Actually seems like I could hear you talking.
Pretty clear that optimism is being knocked around quite a bit. Back in March I went back to daily Bible reading which is helping to keep my galt at bay. That and I can count on God to see this thing through.
There is a passage about Solomon’s son. Solomon had done God’s will, but his son, not so much. He went all King George on Isreal and the people of Isreal went galt times 100. I think I know how the people of Isreal felt.
Read 2 Chronicles 10:1 to 10:19 if you need a lift. The ancients didn’t mess around with hearings and impeachment, and a crown was no guarantee you would stay healthy (no I am not advocating violence, if any trolls are snooping around. The point is that when a people have had enough, they can get cranky.)
I keep hearing stories like this
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 6:30PM EDT (link)of people re-establishing their faith or searching for it for the first time. . . . a lot of people are carrying around a copy of the constitution. These are often the same people.
Something big is going on. +
The big sleep may be ending.
Not yet, TG, not yet... nt.
LaborUnionReport (Diary) Thursday, July 8th at 10:52PM EDT (link)“I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.” Thomas Paine December 23, 1776
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Erick Brockway (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 12:00AM EDT (link)…may just be we haven’t put enough in God’s hands. Trying to do too much on my own is when I usually crash.
He helps if we ask for it. Just have to remember to ask.
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texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 1:00PM EDT (link)Texasgalt, an obligation comes with the call to "keep the faith"
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 4:52AM EDT (link)While it may seem obvious to you that your call to faith is an improvement over Ayn Rand’s thesis “because she didn’t know God”, it’s worth considering that the term “faith” bears so many subjective and contradictory meanings in contemporary culture as to require anyone serious about using the term to be explicit about its content, because a contentless, non-objective faith provides no more knowledge of God than you say Rand had.
I urge you especially to consider the prudence of making unqualified theological statements, some of which are not grounded in the most authoritative of sources.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
One thing Ayn Rand didn't have...
rabidcaveman (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 7:39AM EDT (link)What faith is, can ONLY be, that God IS the authority. God is the arresting officer, prosecutor, judge, jury, and warden. He is also the authority over all things good and right. The only thing Ayn Rand didn’t have, was a defense attorney. That defense attorney is Jesus Christ. “Contemporary culture” should have no place in the life of a Christian. Though we try our best to avoid it, we sometimes fail. You are correct to say that “content-less, non-objective faith, provides no more knowledge of God than Rand had.” This can also lead people of faith, astray, as they try to sum up a relationship with God, that suits their own purpose, instead of His. Great post, texasgalt. It’s good to hear positive stories, what with all the negative stuff, the MSM feeds us everyday!! Thank you!!
Cinco, I need to think about the "obligation"
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 1:23PM EDT (link)I may not be worthy.
I find I always need to read your comments 3 times. You operate on different level than I. I mean that as compliment and hope to catch up some day. In the mean time thanks for making me ponder.
Anyway, I have no moral authority to tell anyone what to do or think, and my experiences and opinions are offered up for people to consider and reach their own conclusions.
Texasgalt, you have my sympathies
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 8:57PM EDT (link)My children long ago learned the art of gauging the glaze in dinner guests’ eyes and cheerfully interjecting “What Dad’s saying could be put another way …” before said guests face-plant into the kimchi. My “level” is simply an attempt to aim for clarity in theological discourse in this era when ambiguity, confusion and contradiction normally prevail.
Here’s my point. In current American culture the term “faith” has come to mean quite different, even mutually contradictory, things among different sectors of the population, even as borne out by the small sampling of comments to your OP. In particular, it has become increasingly common in recent decades for Christians, when speaking publicly, to allude to any faith-related matter in a generic, unqualified manner which implies that the matter applies indistinguishably to one’s audience.
For example, it would seem that no one could argue with your clear admonition that it is good to pray to God in difficult times. The Scriptures*, however, are a bit more, shall we say, restrictive, speaking of a God who can be approached only by faith in the merits of a bloodied God-man who rose bodily from his own tomb; while this God indeed promises to hear the prayer of those who love him, he also makes it clear that that is not a generic prescription for humanity, and that there are those whom he will not hear:
My exhortation to you is simply to identify the basis of your theological statements in the form “according to X” or “speaking as a disciple of Y” or “it is written in Z” rather than speaking on your own authority. The former relieves your readers–especially in a mixed setting, as here–of the burden of thinking “what did he really mean when he said that?”; even though they may not agree with you, they will know precisely what you mean, and in a post-Christian republic such as ours, that is really a helpful step toward profitable discourse. Or … you could attempt to build your case without such references at all.
* This is what I meant by “the most authoritative of sources” rather than anything to do with “moral authority”. Actually, by making public, propositional truth-claims about theological matters, as you did several times, you are actually, according to the Scriptures, making a de facto claim to “tell [some]one what to do or think’–else why did you make the statements at all? One of the marks of the imago Dei is that our words express our heart’s deepest belief. Best to be found having our words aligned with those of … the Word.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Cinco, just say I was talking thru my hat
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:15PM EDT (link)and I will get that. We will just have to differ on whether or not America is a post-Christian republic.
I am not going to get into a theological debate nor do I feel it was required to give a scriptural citation for by assertions. The diary was already too long.
I think most readers know you can pray your tail off without results depending on whether or not they accept the Son. If a Muslim or Tiger Woods was reading and didn’t get it, I really don’t much care. Respectfully, of course.
I’ll accept your sympathies and take refuge in the wisdom of TS Eliot when he wrote in Little Gidding, “All manner of things shall be well . . . . (when) the fire and the rose are one.”
Folks will just have to decipher TS for themselves.
http://www.tristan.icom43.net/quartets/gidding.html
Well done, texasgalt. Well done.
janis (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:20PM EDT (link)You get roasted red potatoes and Vidalia onions with the brisket.
Let me know what TSE says when he rises from the dead. Until then ... -nt-
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:47PM EDT (link)Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
What is your MAJOR disconnect on...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:52PM EDT (link)Religion and RUINING peoples dairies with your holier-then-thou attitude! I wonder how you and your EGO even fit in a room with other people!
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Ain't THAT the truth, Jaded?
janis (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:08PM EDT (link)Comes around a lovely diary like this and can’t bear to just leave it alone. Got to have his holy fingerprints all over it. Even Mailloux, the sweetest man that ever wrote a diary here, couldn’t stand this guy.
I bet God’s not looking forward to the day that Cinco shuffles off his mortal coil and shows up to tell God how it’s REALLY done.
ROTFLMAO.....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:16PM EDT (link)I just couldn’t believe what I was reading after all the beautiful things that had been said. This diary was an uplifting diary to let Conservatives KNOW that indeed there is true HOPE & CHANGE coming and just stand in there and BOOM he blows it up….so pathetic really!
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I can never get enough reminders
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 2:28AM EDT (link)of my utter and eternal need for an imputed alien righteousness.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Quick Cinco, save yourself and come down off the cross....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 7:15AM EDT (link)I believe only ONE human was meant to die that way!
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Some people may not
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 3:53PM EDT (link)bother with cinco’s writings (I’m one of them).
But my abstention doesn’t mean I’m not irritated by an instance of the tribe of the know it alls. Seems a Christian can’t witness on RS unless they pass the cinco test. Sad, really.
Wow! Cinco, it is time to consider efficacy as well as accuracy
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 3:33AM EDT (link)“I urge you especially to consider the prudence of making unqualified theological statements”?
Cinco, this is primarily a political site. Not every comment needs to be up to the level of a theological PhD thesis. Moreover, the conversions we are trying to achieve are political, not religious.
I acknowledge that the phrase “keep the faith” is essntially a cliche in modern parlance. I further acknowledge that the usage of this cliche really bothers you. I would suggest that you take some satisfaction that “keep the faith” is a more popular saying than “religion is an opiate for the masses” or “God is dead” or some similar drivel.
Does not efficacy matter? Who is your audience? What are you trying to accomplish?
You presume that the reference to faith is empty because it does not come footnoted with a scriptural sitation? You are in many ways your worst enemy. I generally enjoy reading your comments, but it pains me to see how you diminish the effectiveness of what you are trying to accomplish by the ways in which you try to accomplish them.
Jesus made favorable comment to the faith of children. He didn’t chastise use of the word “faith” in the context of children. There is certainly no example in the gospel of Jesus shredding someone for an incomplete theological statement.
Paul speaks of faith, hope, and love, not rigorous theological constructs that are fully supported with mathematical precision.
Do you use ever use the word love without specifically clarifying whether you refer to agape or eros? If so, why chastise someone for similarly referring to faith?
Will you argue against someone’s use of the word “hope” because the speaker or someone in the audience does not believe in Christ? The words faith, hope and love are far older than Christianity, and regardless of what happens in the hereafter, nothing in scriptural Christianity gives Christians an exclusive monopoly on those words.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
JSobieski, good to see you
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, July 14th at 5:28AM EDT (link)I think the heart of your questions will be answered downthread in my interchange with civil_truth.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
I disagree, and find the necessary clarifying language
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, July 14th at 8:00AM EDT (link)on uses of the words such as faith, hope, and love to be detrimental to their use in every day contexts. As a married man, I have learned that the attempt to be fully accurate sometimes makes me wrong. Efficacy of persuasion is something that God the Father himself factored in to his conduct, asking mankind in the form of baby steps to proceed from one admonition in a garden to the law and finally to the Word.
Put another way, if I find that what I say or write ends up turning off 99% of what should otherwise be a more supportive audience than the public at large, its time to at least try a different way to communicate the same message.
I do enjoy as a general matter reading what you write. However, not every reference to faith/hope/love/religion in the political sphere requires full theological substantiation. Attempting to do so cuts against the attempt to persuade others of what is a political argument.
I have several conservative Sikhs, Mormons, and Jews in my circle of people who I trust both politically and personally. To purposely and needlessly exclude such people from a point of political persuasion is a mistake.
While the Founding Fathers were undoubtedly religious people, they didn’t need to argue purely theological concepts such as the Trinity or virgin birth in order to make moral arguments in the public sphere. They understood the need for efficacy in persuasion.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
JSobieski, I'll end here
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Thursday, July 15th at 3:36AM EDT (link)Before going to the point, however, I have to mention how hilarious it is to see you reminding me that “the conversions we are trying to achieve are political, not religious” on the immediate heels of redneck_hippie’s chiding me for single-handedly chilling the right of “Christians [to] witness on RS.” Priceless!
Your warnings hang on the premise that I “presume that the reference to faith is empty because it does not come footnoted with a scriptural citation.”
But that premise is demonstrably false. Texasgalt’s title and close clearly posit the phrase “keeping the faith” in antithesis to Ayn Rand’s lack of a defined faith, which would make no sense were the phrase as contentless as you suggest I saw it. The OP makes five explicit references to God; one of these is used in the phrase “living God”, which not only appears 15 times in the Old Testament and 13 times in the New Testament, but is a foundational concept running throughout both Testaments using other terminology. He refers early to his and his wife’s church backgrounds, makes several references to life incidents related to his own faith, throws in a comment about the eternal destiny of political/professional opponents, makes a confident assertion about the current wishes of the long-dead, and concludes with a stirring exhortation for the reader to follow his example in prayer and faith-driven action.
No, my charge to texasgalt “to consider the prudence of making unqualified theological statements” was based on his advocacy of a particular course of action–prayer and faith, which are inextricably linked to theological presuppositions–without specifying either where he was standing or to whom he was speaking. I was not asking texasgalt for an efficacy-detrimental definition of the term “faith” but rather for a qualification of the context in which he intended it to be understood, which is easily done using “according to …” or “it is written in …” or even “out of my own head”. As I said downthread, if the source of his authority was the 5 green mice under the toadstool, I woud have had no further interest. But the apparent Christian context did concern me, because I am a Christian, and–efficacy or no–could not leave the several inconsistencies of his account unremarked.
Two last thoughts, JS. First, given your concern for efficacy, is that the strategically-placed caveat lector–as in, “speaking as a Green-Mouser…”–can save the reader precious time. Second, I urge you to not fear that the occasional theological position statement of an individual author will cause an irremediable exodus from the site. The knowledge that one cares more for truth than his own standing in the community can have a powerful impact on certain people.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
How does putting a "Support the Troops" poster lead to a $60,000.00 fine?
jimmyg Friday, July 9th at 8:03AM EDT (link)This part of your story is really outrageous. How can this happen? How can an employee sue you for putting up a sign in your window saying you support the troops and win $60,000.00? No wonder you sometimes get down.
I know I would pay $60K to avoid a jury trial in any city
Achance (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 1:19PM EDT (link)with a significant minority population. EEO is really just a shakedown racket in Democrat controlled places and even sometimes under Republican control if the government isn’t paying attention. An EEO office is ALWAY staffed by activists, usually liberal lawyers, and they find discrimination in every allegation and won”t credit employer defenses. Then they offer you a consent decree in which you don’t have to admit being an evil, discriminatory employer if you’ll just pay the complainant $X or give them the job they want and pay them or some such. If you don’t pay the extortion, then you get sued and have to face 12 morons with driver’s licenses with EEO either being the one sueing you or testifying for the person sueing you.
In Vino Veritas
Yep
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 6:42PM EDT (link)Just a shakedown racket.
And if we ever get an upper hand, purge, purge, burn, and bury the ashes.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
You amaze me sometimes, really you do.
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:45PM EDT (link)cause what you described is what happened.
I was really mad when this bogus claim was made by a brand new pacifist employee for whom we had already provided a religious accommodation. Then the legal expenses started. Then the feds accepted the case instead of issuing a simple “right to sue” letter.
It really came into focus for me when the court assigned mediator looked at me and said, I believe a judge could easily make a summary judgement against you based on the merits of he case. These religious cases are tough for an employer to win. I turned to my heretofor confident big city attorney and he was staring at his shoelaces. Not good.
So, I swallowed hard and bailed, but it was a heck of lot less than what they originally asked for . . . and it was over.
After we had tentative agreement, we were negotiating the term of the actual consent decree and the EEO attorney said, I’ve got to have a 2 year injunction with site inspection and training because you are getting away with a minor financial penalty. . . and I will have to explain this during my annual review.
I wanted to choke that woman.
Great diary
Return to Revolution (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 9:32AM EDT (link)I’m no doubt a fan of Ayn but the rabid atheism is the biggest thing that keeps me from being a card-carrying objectivist (probably a few other things too).
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Objectivism is interesting
aesthete (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:13PM EDT (link)and certainly appeals to a sense of individuality, but I think that where Ayn goes wrong (besides her militant atheism, of course) is in her rather Nietzschean view of society; all of her stories have certain, larger-than-life “great man” characters who are inherently better than others from the get-go. I won’t deny that people have talents and specializations, but I’ve come to find that success is more about hard work than inherent attributes, though a wise person will use both to his advantage.
Similarly, I won’t dispute that individuals are important (where would Apple be without Steve Jobs?), but tends to miss the fact that free market processes involve and require more than the creative giant, and that all involved, and their respective excellences, are vital in the scheme. Adam Smith’s making of the pencil couldn’t have been engineered with a single “great man” directing the traffic, even in a free market environment.
She is at her best when she appeals to the dignity and nobility of human life, and the rightness of self-ownership, but ironically, this is also where she falls short: without a Creator to ascribe the “divine spark” to, or a rationale for why protecting self-ownership through force is morally superior, we’re left with relativism as a mainstay of her philosophy (which is not to say that atheists are inherently immoral, but that arguments for absolute morals in an atheist system fall short).
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Don't know if I completely agree with that assesment
Leopard1996 (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 4:52AM EDT (link)Atlas Shrugged, had many great men, the theme of that one, was pretty much, what would happen to a society that worked by leeching off of producers to fund the non-producers, then turned around and villified those same producers (doesn’t that sound like what we are living in right about now). Now the Fountainhead, did have have the “one great man”.
Also as far as needing “devine spark”, as I posted down below, I think religion and belief in God needs to be a personal thing. I would like to believe that 80% – 90% of society are decent people that do not look to screw other members of society, and the 10% that are, some wind up suffering consequences such as jail, death, etc, and there are probably a few that can get away with their bad dealings. That is why the only thing, I ever thought government should be used for is to be the provider of information to satisfy that whole “full information” assumption that is talked about in Economics. If we had “full information” on all things that are considered “issues”, the economy would have self regulated itself. Example, if I really felt that I did not want to support a business beacuse of some issue like “diversity”, I should be able to go to a repository and search on that issue, and find the companies that score well in that catergory, and those that score poorly, and I can do my business accordingly. But since we don’t have that, government passes arbitrary laws, to address those issues, and cause more harm than good.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
I agree
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 3:37PM EDT (link)Religion can’t be forced, and shouldn’t be subsidized or mixed with government in any way. That said, I’m not sure how well a country that’s 80-90% atheist would function, at least if they were the nihilistic sort. The “great man” thing pops up in Fountainhead and in a lot of Ayn’s personal writings about Objectivism. I don’t hate Objectivism or anything because of it, I just don’t self-identify as such.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
For What It's Worth. . .
msctex (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 12:59PM EDT (link). . .and not to be overly confrontational, since so much of this Diary makes perfect sense, but it IS possible to believe in the US Constitution, to recognize Obama, Barney and Nancy as manifestations of 21st Century Evil, and to share essentially the precise same Values as the author of the above. . .
And to have no religious faith whatsoever, nor feel the slightest need for it. Rand was using a fictional framework to impart enormous philosophic notions, and to do so was essentially forced into mythic terms, because her Heroes had to embody such grand ideas. Galt had to border upon moral perfection for much the same reason Christ had to embody it — the story could not be told any other way. There are those of us who recognize the immense contributions made by Christian Values to Western Civilization — one need only glance at the alternatives to be unavoidably so aware — yet who simply are not so constructed as to feel the need to worship anything, nor humble ourselves before any Higher Power. But we find ourselves as men and women without a country, from a philosophic point of view, because the godless have substituted a self-serving Altruism in place of religion, while the Godly still, to some degree, make would allow choices to be made involving other people’s lives, based upon what their Faith tells them God would want.
Rand built an entire philosophic construct — or more accurately, noted that such one’s personal construct can and should be built — on the fact that a=a, and 2+2=4, each and every time. I’m just making the point that for some of us, that can be enough, and that we know a brand of peace all our own.
msctex, I recognize you have free will
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 1:10PM EDT (link)and I’m glad we sem mostly in sync.
For me, I feel a need to humble myself. I only wish that 2+2=4 could find unanimous agreement.
But where’s the man that explain infinity? Not of this world, I think . . .
Well. . .
msctex (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 2:37PM EDT (link)Maybe there’s no need to explain a concept which by its very nature cannot be explained. If there is so much matter in the universe, and this matter is composed of particles, what need beyond the hypothetical would we have for a number higher than one which accounts for all those particles?
Just a thought.
Get This Man in Congress! nt
Locke (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 1:00PM EDT (link)You guessed it...another socialist appointment
halothane Friday, July 9th at 1:34PM EDT (link)In a move that many will find completely in character, Mr. Obama slipped in another socialist as a recess appointment. Realizing full well that because he and his advisors are just THAT much smarter than the rest of congress, he clearly felt any debate would be counterproductive; a time sink that would detract from the primary mission of dismantling all of the social conventions that made this country a world leader.
I share with you a quote from the clearly left leaning Mr. Berwick (without mandate or consent out new administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) :
“Any health care funding plan that is just equitable civilized and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent health care is by definition redistributional.”
While the gulf between Mr. Berwick’s philosophy and my own is simply galactic in scope, I just wanted to ponder one aspect of his quote. Why is it when people fail to prosper are they dubbed as less fortunate than people who do?
While at least in the last several years I have had some measure of personal and financial success, I have had many episodes of what Mr. Berwick might call ‘bad fortune’. I’ve been laid off, passed over for promotion, downsized and at least one just plain fired. I’ve been married, divorced and remarried. I’ve struggled for years to get my small business off the ground and watched money that I put aside for retirement shrink due to the slings and arrows of outrageous economic fortune. During all of this I’ve worked 50 – 65 hour weeks, missed countless family occasions and holidays, and taken very little vacation. I’m sure my experiences differ little from those of most people reading this.
I might argue that the thing that Mr. Berwick calls fortune is dimply diligence and perseverance. This begs the question of why should a lack of dedication and perseverance merit reward? Why should people be spared the natural consequences of their decisions?
I see nothing just in the plunder of wealth honestly obtained. To quote Ayn Rand:
“It only stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.”
Lurker brought forth
jaydebull Friday, July 9th at 8:47PM EDT (link)By an enjoyable read Texasgalt, thank you.
Don't be a stranger
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:50PM EDT (link)Let us hear from you. Every voice counts, today more than ever.
I may not agree with Rand's belief in religion
Leopard1996 (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 9:11PM EDT (link)But I can understand it. Too many totalitarian states used “religion” as a hammer to rule over society. Looks at the Arab world today, the USSR using the “religion” of the state, or go back to the days of the Borgias using Catholicism as a hammer to rule over the masses.
Knowledge of God does have a place for the individual, but when it gets into the hands of Government be ready to resist with all of your might. Look at the “social justice” teachings coming out of the progressives today.
“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
Your caution is warranted
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 10:58PM EDT (link)as the history you cited proves. Thanks for commenting.
Ditto
aesthete (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:17PM EDT (link)Growing up on a USAF base in Latin America tends to heighten one’s appreciation for the manipulative uses others have found for religion.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Particularly liked the "Warmest wishes to them" line
civil truth (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 9:55PM EDT (link)…assuming that was a reference to their eternal abode being in a very warm place.
Remarkable testimony of perseverence and diligence in a world that preaches entitlement and grievance, or independent labor and community in a world that wishes to control and regulate all human commerce through those who have appointed themselves as the wise and powerful (c.f. I Cor. 1:20 ff).
I appreciate your wisdom in avoid the siren song of Randian objectivism, which denies not only the Gospel, but natural law as well. Today we do see a populace too many of whom live by heart (or more accurately stomach) without mind – but mind without heart is evil too.
The Marxists in their idolatry to their philosophy are lead to heartless and sacrifice the individual to the utiliarain “good of society” – and unfortunately, the Randian worship of reason and the ability of individuals to make wise decisions on the basis of reciprocal obligation is fundamentally flawed as well (though certainly less harmful than the totalitarian worshippers of reason).
Thank you for sharing your life story – it gives me encouragement to stand up to the far lesser attempts at degradation that come my way.
The Psalmist lamented how the evil prosper and the good laid low, but it’s hard not to think of trusting God to be mere platitude and want to take things into your own hands – but that certainly doesn’t work out so well in the end. Patience is not a virtue wasted on youth, but patient waiting doesn’t come easily to those of mature years either.
So your keeping on going sets a good example.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
That's the "gospel" of American Civil Religion in a nutshell
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:17PM EDT (link)Everyone has the choice to be Good or Bad; Good people–who will be known for trying to “save the last best hope of man”– go to heaven; SOBs–which include by default Democrats, radical Islamists and statists–go to hell.
I apparently have too old of a Bible. It speaks of a Savior who did not come to call the righteous, who came to save dead-from-birth sinners, and a God who justifies the wicked. Amazingly, not only did prostitutes and flat taxers–tax you till you’re flat broke–get swept in while most–not all–of the highly moral, observant Pharisees got swept aside, but even some the half-breed Samaritans and big-government, gentile dog Romans started popping up in the kingdom as well.
Couldn’t happen now, could it? No, our 2-party system makes it much easier for God to keep the lines straight. WE’re all in, THEY’re all out.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Cinco, do you deliberately seek out ways to find offense in order to attack other posters?
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 2:36AM EDT (link)It’s sure starting to look that to me. If I don’t in every post spell out the right formulaic statement of the gospel by your standards, you take that silence as occasion to launch an attack
I don’t have the slightest clue how you put the words in my mouth that you attribute to me under the label “gospel of American Civil Religion” based upon my rather supportive comments regarding the author’s steering away from the siren song of Randain objectivism, and from that attack me on the basis of what I didn’t say but what you think I should have said.
And your playing the “victim” that your Bible is “too old” – that’s rhetorical game-playing that I don’t plan to engage.
It’s now no longer what I say, but what I don’t say that draws your sniper fire.
Or is your intent is to bully me out of commenting on any thread that touches on religion or bully me out of attempting to provide my religious perspective and Biblical understanding?
I take serious offense at your presumption at trying to read my mind.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
No, CT, the comment was addressing merely the subject of your title
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 2:49AM EDT (link)that is, texasgalt’s paragraph which culminated with the “warmest wishes”. Beyond your reference to and approval of that paragraph in your title, nothing in my response addresses anything in the body of your comment, much of which I actually agree with, and which I had no desire to detract from.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Kowalski
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 2:52AM EDT (link)ie my opening pronoun “that” should have been specified. Nothing more was intended.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
No such intent with my title, Cinco
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 3:09AM EDT (link)I thought the author’s phrase about “warmest wishes” was a clever play on words and wanted to favorably acknowledge that to the author. I enjoy wordplay quite a lot and often engage in it myself.
Nothing more was intended with my title/opening sentence – and I certainly was not attempting to express a theological position of mine with that.
But since you didn’t identify what you were reacting to – and since it didn’t even cross my mind to think anyone would view my title as a serious theological statement, I had no idea at what you were taking offense, which then started the cascade.
I’ll chalk this one up to crossed wires.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
kowalski - and I suggest putting the safety on your rhetorical rifle
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 3:27AM EDT (link)You’re a bit too tigger-happy towards other posters here at RedState.
And it would certainly be more comfortable around here if most of the time you would point your muzzle over the railing rather than at fellow shipmates. Lots of ships with hostile designs out there.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
It is to be hoped, civil_truth, that we all value truth above comfort
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 11:38PM EDT (link)Since you and I met on similar ground recently, I hope to extend rather than merely repeat that exchange.
We clearly differ over the efficacy and appropriate limits of theological discussion at this site. To the frequent objection discourse must sound like a chapter from Berkhof or the Institutes to qualify as theological, I call to witness that in no other realm is the distinction made between using terms appropriate to a discipline and engagement in the discipline: while the mention of a brisket is no guarantee that a meal will appear, the word itself constitutes culinary discourse. I propose that three forms normally occur, with little controversy, under the employment of rules of civil engagement in a theologically-fragmented society. In the first, a commenter becomes known by his theological position, but little or no import is attached to the identification: thus Kenny is rarely probed, and rarely offers any comment, about the theological implications of Judaism; to my knowledge, Martin has been probed only once about a specific element of Islamic thought, and has offered nothing beyond; you and Art are never probed about no longer being what you once were, although you have both made historical reference to the fact; and most of the “none-of-the-aboves”–excluding the inimitable-but-departed birdmojo, and even msctex in this thread!–tend to shoot at temporal targets only. In the second, a commenter self-identifies as holding a particular theological position, and then alerts his readers that he intends to address only those of like mind: both Mailloux–to fellow Catholics–and I–to co-evangelical Christians, have occasionally used this “keeping it all in the family” approach on a particular topic. The third form of theological engagement is more rare but more direct, is clearly intended for what is assumed to be a majority of the readership, and is intended to provoke a response of agreement rather than discussion: that is what occurs when the directors put up Christmas and Easter threads.
The three forms share a clear identification of the theological position of the initiators of the content. In form one, the civil response, if any, takes the form “Oh, that’s what he is? Whaddaya know ’bout that”; in form two, either “Guess I don’t have to read that” or “Wow, he knows what I’m thinking”; in form three, either “I don’t need to crash their party” or “I’m glad for this reminder”.
The form exhibited in this thread and some others, however, is cut of different cloth because it lacks the safeguards of the above forms. The OP moved from scattered references to theologically-rooted activity (keeping the faith, implications of church marriage, prayer), through a cleverly-worded anathema against political/professional opponents and an appeal to current desires of a subset of the dead, to a generally-addressed exhortation to participate in theologically-rooted activity in the closing paragraphs.
Since the piece lacked both a clear self-identification of the author’s position and a caveat of recusal for those of different positions, the piece seemed intended for the general readership, and subsequent querying confirmed that a Christian audience was indeed assumed by the author. As a Christian, therefore, and one who disagreed with various elements of the theology of the piece, I am under greater obligation than site rules or even a sense of “not disturbing the peace” to call for the theological justification of those elements. Were I not to do so, and having the opportunity, an aware silence on my part would be equivalent to agreement with something short of necessary truth. What’s more, were texasgalt to announce his own ground more explicitly, as by naming a confession or canons which define his position, it would be a very simple matter, as mailloux and I long ago did, to say “well at least we both know which side of Trent we stand”. From what he has written to date, however, his words bear much affinity with American Civil Religion, which is not only pervasive and sub-Christian, but entirely lacking in support from the Scriptures or even church history. To imply, as his post does, that to be the same as the faith once delivered to the saints, which even now beckons men, women and children to come and die, invites questioning.
You have more than once warned me, CT, that such questioning is the equivalent of unprovoked, premeditated, intentional friendly fire. Passing over the delicious irony that I have endured a higher ratio of unprovoked ad hominen attacks here to substantiated charges of my ever making the same than many here, what am I to make of your clear assumption that a questioning of theological inconsistency or weakness, real or perceived, is the equivalent of a discordant attack on a person? Did any Christian martyr ever have to say “No fair to asking us to account for the hope that is within us!” How much less any of us, still for the moment on fairly friendly soil?
To your analogy, CT, I must reiterate the point I made in mailloux’s thread, that while there are indeed hostile ships abeam, not everyone is best employed at the rail, and some who do belong are grateful to know they will live longer thanks to the painful strokes of the surgeon’s knife or the DI’s tongue. More bluntly, if conservatives value thought as much as is claimed here, it should not surprise you that some of us are concerned enough, in seeing fellow conservatives have difficulty defending their core presuppositions even to their own fellows, that we are compelled to instruct and clarify, especially when much of the battle will involve a mastery of … thought. Much less should you claim that such work hinders the fight.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
In which I Kowalski your Kowalski and propose an Alternative
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 2:29AM EDT (link)Civil_truth, I want you to know that I am appreciative of your concern for not giving unnecessary offense. But in many societies, some are more wired to use their polemical skills for equipping, sharpening and toughening up their comrades–who are eager, but ill-equipped, for battle–than for direct combat themselves; I happen to be one of those.
What are the alternatives to my fourth form of theological exchange? You clearly advocate non-engagement. The gentleladies upthread have gone a bit further to dissuade me of my abusive behavior; I remain fascinated that they found it necessary to carefully set forth their case … on explicitly theological grounds.
Safer than even the safety on my polemical gun would be for a poster to consider three times over whether his desire to make any unqualified, general-audience reference–direct or indirect–to the things of God actually conforms to the perspicuous Word of that same God about references to himself; and if so, to be able to defend it, and if not, to find another way to tell his story.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Still mulling a worthy response, cinco
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, July 14th at 2:58AM EDT (link)But you’ve made your purpose quite a bit clearer.
Rather busy with other matters this week, haven’t had much time for politics.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
CT, I hope this makes things even clearer
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, July 14th at 5:25AM EDT (link)I have also been mulling more than writing, due to work, but I think I could make a more concise summary of my particular stance; hopefully it will make your response, if forthcoming, easier, by an example of the above thoughts.
X posts an OP which has several direct or indirect references to his belief that 5 green mice under a toadstool told him* to take political step Y. Would I respond? Only if I knew something about Y–which would provide common ground–and even then unlikely, but not on your life would I mention the mice thing.
That’s analogous to how I have tried to treat Kenny, Martin, the Mormon fellow(s) that popped up a couple days ago, and as I mentioned above, you and Art, and even Mailloux when he is writing explicitly as a Roman Catholic. There’s nothing more I’d love to do than have any of the above into my livingroom or a more neutral place (or with X, in his Bellevue room), to go back and forth all night if need be, in attempt to communicate the biblical gospel of Jesus Christ; but this site, for many reasons, including biblical reasons, is not that neutral place.
But back to X. He might have added “and the 5 green mice under the toadstool told me that biblical Christianity is all wrong.” Since X has entered my domain by denying my foundation, I am now free to make a rebuttal along the lines of “actually, someone else said otherwise”; but once the position line is drawn it must be dropped for the reasons above. Actually this goes on all the time here, when brief defenses along the lines of “get yer facts straight about my beliefs, pagan!” are raised, and it is always best when those are posited and then dropped before turning into irresolvable–here–shouting matches. If my own posting history were examined, I think it would show that I have rarely made even the initial rebuttal against the inevitable and unwarranted charges made about my intent to rid the world of Free-Will, nor do I recall probing you, for example, about your own earlier history.
But one other thing could happen with X, and that provides the analogy for my typical, as several have called it, “attacking” MO. Z comments to X, “Hey, I’m a Green-Mouser myself! Could you please explain why you said there were 5? In the Translations from the Lapine of the Word of Frith, it states clearly that there have ever and only been 4 green mice under the toadstool. Wassup?” Here, both X and Z at least claim a large degree of common ground, which in civil society forms a starting point for probing the extent of similarity and dissimilarity.
Now X has the choices of a) telling Z that he–X–was in error and appreciates the correction, b) asking Z to clarify the dispute, c) refuting Z with an alternate reading from the TftLotWoF, d) asking Z for more time to find a suitable response, e) politely telling Z he declines the question, f) asserting to Z that no dispute exists, g) ignoring Z, or h) calling fire down–or spores up?–on Z for even daring to raise such a self-esteem-destroying, discord-engendering, hate-filled, question.
My MO has been most typically engaged when an author makes a theological assertion about the Christian faith with no indication that he is either representing, or addressing, a branch other than my own. My reason for asking “on what basis do you make such a claim” is always to merely draw the lines so that all can see if we actually are standing on common ground or not, and if that question were treated with any of (a) through (g) above, much of what has been decried as division or discord would not have proceeded very far. Sadly, however, some have an apparently irresistible urge to jump straight to (h), which is lowest on the civility scale.
Another post’s author today raised, with apparent relish, the prospect of starving blue-city dwellers–which includes myself and most of the people I know and love–into submission or death at his and others’ hands. Another starvation, however, has not only been underway for generations, and across Left and Right as well, but, as evidenced by the utter contempt for theological clarification even here, is even welcomed and lauded. That gleeful, self-imposed starvation is the massive rejection of objective, propositional, theological thought as a category of public discourse. In its place is what one of my elders mocks as “the god between my ears”, which has the advantage of being whatever one desires it to be. Such a god blesses all, even those who have a quite different god, provided it is never disturbed with gnarly questions; those who do so must be put out of the camp.
Sadly, many conservatives used to mock the liberals for doing just the same.
Sadder still, there are not only potentially eternal consequences to such a devaluation of doctrine, but even societal, cultural, and even political ones as well.
Why am I thinking of Moishe the Beadle all of a sudden?
* sorry, re-re-…-reading Watership Down in awake downtime
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
The reference was intentional
texasgalt (Diary) Friday, July 9th at 11:18PM EDT (link)>>patient waiting doesn’t come easily to those of mature years either.<<
So very true!
Thanks for adding to the conversation.
I thought it was clever wordplay, myself nt
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 4:21AM EDT (link)“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I liked that line the least in the diary, CT
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 11:57AM EDT (link)I am not picking up an argument with you or Texasgalt, and I recommended the diary because it is an excellent witness testimony of the trials and hardships of life. I also know that a lot of things some of the SOBs do will continue to give us grief after they are dead. But for me the hate stops with their death. I just do not allow myself to think about what their hereafter will amount to. I’ll let God be God.
Which is why I generally shy away from such references in my writing, penguin
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 1:20PM EDT (link)…because the whole matter of hell and eternal damanation has such an awesome weight of responsibility, which rests in God’s hands alone.
But there is also room for some levity/fantasy. Plus, as I said, I am a sucker for clever wordplay.
As for those individuals directly affected, I also would tread lightly in judging them as they deal with the evil that lives on after the responsible agent has passed on and have to resolve the mixture of feelings and anger regarding the person as the conseqences. It’s easier for me to speak from a distance when I’m not in their shoes.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
ok fine, but I'm not penguin. :^) nt
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 1:41PM EDT (link)Gotta pay closer attention it seems -nt-
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 4:25PM EDT (link)The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
LOL. Civil_Truth, had to run over and see what mischief I had caused....
penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 1:45PM EDT (link)Pilgrim and I have been mistaken for each other before. I’m glad I am not on the hot seat for this one though. Will read it through when I get a chance.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots
No hot seat for you
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 4:24PM EDT (link)…and I won’t start digging.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
I see your point, Pilgrim
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 2:30PM EDT (link)and I have no argument with it other than I thought the line was good for a grin.
Great peice!
conservativecrusade (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 12:54AM EDT (link)If it is not moved to the front page, we lose out. Hope everyone gets to read this and learns from it..
Well done!
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
Kind words and thanks nt
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 10:50AM EDT (link)Thanks for the inspiration!
kmacwayne (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 8:29AM EDT (link)TexasGalt,
I grew up in a family business similar to yours. Learning how to work hard, be honest and provide good service and value to our customers from my father have served me well in my life. Dad grew up on a cotton farm in Oklahoma. He and his six brothers and sisters have all made remarkable lives for themselves through hard work, economy and perseverance. I loved our customers because they really appreciated our service and our willingness to respect them, something not many high class or even middle class retail stores would do. We knew their names, their childrens names, where they worked, if they had a death in the family, etc… It was a relationship and it was rewarding.
My last job at the family business was working with personnel. The bogus work comp lawsuits, the “entitlement mentality” of young employees and the constant feeling that the employees were continuously looking for ways to sue us did me in.
We were one of the few companies who attended arbitration hearings for unemployment claims, especially if the employee had quit. We were willing to defend our rights – something most businesses didn’t do until after they’d received a percentage hike in unemployment ( dad learned the rules the hard way). But the ones we settled were hard for me. If felt like blackmail, and it was blackmail by the federal government and by socialist progressives. This is a powerful tool to advance their agenda. It is a hard decision to make, paying out your projected bottom line profit for a month, quarter or year based on the case. Especially if it’s for a trumped up charge or something like what you are describing.
When I describe my dads business and the way he valued his employees to liberals on other sites, they make fun of me. Dad believed everyone who worked for him had the opportunity to build a life for themselves just as he had done. He held open the doors for promotion based on our ability and encouraged us to educate ourselves and provided constant training. Our employees were promoted from within, with our current President starting at a delivery level position and our CFO starting in sales. This is business at it’s best – this is labor relation at it’s best. There are some employees who simply want a job without the added responsibility of management and these we value highly as well.
Growing up with dad, I never got why he seemed angry every day at work. It wasn’t until I was grown and faced the same inane government policies everyday that I figured out it was that and not me he was angry about. I imagine what our business would be like if we weren’t having to defend ourselves against the government and unscrupulous employees as part of our daily operations. We could spend more time and money on developing our employees, increase their pay, and lower our rates. Contrary
to popular belief, we do not stuff our beds with cash or laugh all the way to the bank. We have a respectable profit goal and reinvest in our employees, our community and our company.
When my mother became our CEO after dad passed, she bought the Lord with her. She prays daily for our company, our employees and our customers. I stand in confirmation that this has seen us through the worst of times, hurricanes, Congressional attacks and the like. She relates her Sunday school lessons, especially ones about David to her senior staff and encourages and reminds them of who is really in charge. It is interesting to see how hard these guys and gals work for her, for the company that they built and are responsible for and for our employees.
Texasgalt – your story hit so many heartstrings with me and my dads life and the business he built – he too joined trade associations, and worked hard to get the federal government to issue rules and regulations for our business to force out the unscrupulous dealers among us. Dad believed in himself, people and the Lord. I hope through one of the associations I get to meet you someday. As I am now retired, I have followed this administration from the get go – I keep our senior staff informed and I’m working to loose the grip the government , unions and progressives are taking on our country. I believe every American ought to have the opportunity that my dad had and that his employees have – to build a life based on their willingness to work, willingness to wait and willingness to believe in themselves.
You’ve got a buddy from Florida,
k
kmacwayne
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 12:13PM EDT (link)http://www.redstate.com/texasgalt/2010/07/08/keeping-the-faith-and-denying-ayn-40-years-of-pulling-the-wagon/#comment-192
You've put your finger on the greatest reward
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 10:43AM EDT (link)that comes from a small business. It is seeing an employee rise from the bottom to a position of responsibility- to his benefit and the company. I know you have thought about how hard it is for them. They have to ignore pop culture and especially their “so what” co-workers. They have to make good choices and sacrifices that Mr So-What laughs at.
But to see it happen, to see someone rise above their circumstance thru guts and hard work. That alone is enough to make the grind worth it, as long as the politicians will let you make enough to support it all.
You made me grin when you spoke about your dad always seeming to be mad. I had a young employee meet with me once to tell me “everybody calls you Mr Negative.” I laughed out loud but quickly let him off the hook with a promise I would do better.
Thank you so much for chiming in. I know you, if not literally then I know you from what hundreds of others like you have whispered to me over dinner.
Darn it. Intended as a reply to kmacwayne -nt
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 10:49AM EDT (link)Small business hiring retreats
texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, July 10th at 3:27PM EDT (link)Via Hot Air
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/09/small-businesses-losing-their-steam/
I really enjoyed this diary
hickorystick (Diary) Sunday, July 11th at 2:08PM EDT (link)I have fallen into a habit lately, of when I read a diary that touches more than just my head, to decide to think about it and get back when I compose my thoughts. Too often I have failed to get back and acknowledge an inspiring diary, so I am just going comment now.
Growing up in Seattle, I should know more about the trucking business, but I don’t. Somewhere between William Boeing and William Gates Junior, a guy named Dave Beck ran this town. People from that time still grumble.
The only other thing I know, is if you see a Sea-Land short hauler coming while your driving your car, you better get the he** out of the way.
This probably isn’t much of an encouragement, but everything happens for a purpose. Perhaps God wants you to write more, or has some things in addition to what you are already doing, for you to do. My parents always gave this advice when I was down, and I always hated it, so it’s probably not worth much. but I think they are probably right.
My favorite lumber supplier has an enormous support the troops sign on his main building. Curious switch of places, Texas. If the new employees don’t like it, the are made to conform. The sales counter is saltier than the fish market. Great Old Seattle place. There was a new guy that came from Michigan, just out of the University, that had all the liberal, poorly thought-out theories of why things are the way they are. Between the employees and myself (carpentry business) we had him re-programmed in six months. One less Obama minion in his ranks.
Please keep writing your thoughts. Perhaps some young kid, just out of college, unemployed, is looking for answers.
Hickory, I nearly overlooked this,
texasgalt (Diary) Monday, July 12th at 9:33PM EDT (link)your comment, and that would have been a shame. Thanks for the encouragement and stick with the reprogramming. There’s a lot of that to be done.
Yes, things happen for a purpose but the modern day Einsteins say everything naturally tend towards chaos. Hmmm. . .
Texasgalt, you must have written this
lineholder (Diary) Wednesday, February 23rd at 10:17PM EDT (link)right about the time I started coming here. I didn’t see it, and wish with all my heart that I had.
Today is 23rd Feb, 2011. You’re leaving. So are some others. I don’t know them or you, but my heart is grieving all the same.
Thank you for this, sir.