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The Borking of Joe Miller is the Shame of Lady Lisa’s Alaska

When I first found my way to RedState, now nearly a year ago, the first diary I read was by Art Chance. The man can write. His overarching message was about the use of power and how to use it aggressively, even ruthlessly. Take no prisoners. So said the aging eagle. Fascinating and written from an insider’s point of view as the Labor Relations Director for former Alaska Governor Frank Murkowski .

It is now crystal clear that the Republican incumbent senator from Alaska, Lisa Murkowski, plays down and dirty, in spades. When Murkowski found herself against challenger Joe Miller’s resume, the better angels of her nature, if she has any, went to the dark side. A girl’s gotta do what a girl’s gotta do, when she’s up against a conservative father of eight, graduate of Yale Law, a Westpointer and decorated war veteran.

After Miller slipped by the Murkowski machine in the primary, Lady Lisa was livid. It was time to triple down on the character assasination of Joe Miller. She is a scorpion and scorpions must sting.

There are scorpions with an entitlement mentality and there is Lisa, a woman given everything but the ability to smile. She’s not much on humble pie, either. It’s for the little people, doncha know. For Lisa it is power lunches and footsy with Leader McConnell. When Mitch isn’t looking, maybe a big wink for Big John. Lisa isn’t loose. She’s cunning and calculating.

Oh, how Lisa schemed and schemed. She wanted another shot in the general election and if that meant becoming a Libertarian, fine. When that didn’t work out, she declared she was still in the game and after a few days she chose to run as a write-in candidate. Well, we all know now that “Write-in” wound up with more votes than Miller on Nov 2nd. We don’t know for sure who has won. We will not know until the write- ins are validated and the absentee votes are all counted. Conventional wisdom is that Lisa Murkowski will prevail. Me, well, I’m praying justice will prevail. Lisa may be praying too, but she’s hedged her bets with the hiring of Ben Ginsberg. Yep, the famous Ginsberg who helped Bush protect his victory over Gore.

How did this come to be? How does Lisa Murkowski sit on the verge of a stunning write-in victory? She and all the porky teat-suckers went into the gutter and did their level best to destroy Joe Miller. Politics aint beanbag? The politics of personal destruction found a whole new meaning on the northern tundra. Look:

Oh yeah, that little Mudflats blog (click at your own risk). It’s written by a real lefty with a big hate for Sarah Palin and now she’s a big hater on Joe Miller. She snooped around and found that a Joe Miller in Alaska had received $14,000 in farm subsidies from Alaska. Joe emphatically denied it, and well, there are a number of Joe Millers in Alaska, but who needs to be sure? So out it went to the world where it was picked up by Huffington and then repeated as “fact” across Alaska, and beyond.

The diggers dug deeper and with a FOI found real proof that Joe had received $7,000 in farm subsidies on some small acreage he owned in Kansas. The horror! The man did what virtually every little crop producer in Kansas does. The fact that it was 7k over a seven year period starting two decades ago didn’t matter a whit. The Murkowski machine and its allies (those for anybody but Joe Miller) screamed they had the goods on the the small government, tea party candidate. They said Joe Miller is a fraud and a hypocrite and the good Lord knows in these days there is nothing worse than being called a hypocrite. It is just so very comforting to the serious sinners who enjoy their sins so much.

Evil Joe Miller. Evil. Really? If you repeat rumors, lies and unsourced stories over and over, they become true. Joe Goebels said so. Dammit, I hate Nazi tactics.

Man oh man, has there been some deep background opposition research, or what? Going back almost twenty years? It takes a lot of money, but money and Murkowski are pretty much the same thing. It also takes a certain type of politician to get down that low and dirty. No sweat! Lisa is made of stone cold. Nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of Daddy’s gift. When she was beaten fair and square in the primary, she called in all her favors and then the dirt rained down on Miller. She even said she was doing it for Alaska. Will that sell in the frozen north? Maybe.

Apparently any old dirt will sell in Alaska. Did you hear that Miller’s 8 children were once on a state sponsored health care subsidy? Did you know he was once disciplined for unauthorized use of state owned computers? Oh, and my personal favorite . . . did you know Miller is so paranoid he has security cameras installed in his personal residence? Plainly, Miller is off his rocker. He has to be. . . because it benefits the machine and the crowd that lives off the machine.

Hey, crazy Joe, you don’t really really believe that the Anchorage CBS affiliate was conspiring against you, do you? Come on, do you really think they wanted to find a child molestor among your supporters? What are you going to believe, KTVA management’s ridiculous excuses or your own ears? I mean it was a butt dial, right? Except it wasn’t . . . and now the two “reporters” involved are no longer with the station. Gone like greased lightning they are and the Alaska media aint exactly in hot pursuit of them or anything close to the truth.

As iff the above isn’t enough dirt to gag a maggot, consider the Tony Hopfinger affair. Alaska Dispatch editor Tony Hopfinger tried to force a confrontation at a Miller event and winds up in cuffs, detained for police. The press went wild, but if Miller security was out of line, where are the charges?

No matter, the national lamestream, and even a few so-called conservative pundits scorched Miller over this incident, but they have shown no interest in checking the history of Hopfinger or the Alaska Dispatch. Who publishes and owns the Alaska Dispatch? It’s married well billionaire Alice Rogoff Rubenstein, formerly of the Carter Administration, Washington Post and current trustee of the Carter Center in Atlanta. She stepped in to save the struggling online news site enabling Hopfinger to continue his fierce pursuit of Palin and now Miller. Thanks to Alice, Tony has a real desk from which to work make stuff up. Oh yeah, Alice from wonderland is a max contributor to Murkowski.

As we wait for the process to run its course, it seems Joe Miller gained 900 votes in the first day of counting absentees. And then comes this.

At this point, you may be asking yourself why any of this matters since whomever wins will caucus with Republicans? It matters a lot, for reasons that matter most: big things like liberty, Constitutional governance and fiscal responsibility, any of which are more important than just adding another Republican vote to the Senate.

Alaska should be ashamed. Lisa should be shunned. But don’t hold your breath. Alaska runs on pork and Alaska intends to continue to pick the pocket of the lower 48 states. Oink, oink! It’s the language of mutual agreement between the M & M’s, Murkowski and McConnell.

COMMENTS

  • itrytobenice

    This is why politicians rate lower than used car salesmen in the trust and respect categories.

    Shoot, they ought to rate lower than thieves, whale poop and well diggers. There’s never been created in the history of the world a more sanctimonious class with less reason to be so.

    Unfortunately, as our enforcer against this kind of crap, we have jellyfish McConnell, who will probably make Lisa Muckcowshitski top R on every committee she wants to be on. My contempt is so large as to be inexpressible.

    • texasgalt

      but that could change, depending on how events develop.

    • Flagstaff

      I figured that Mitch “No Lips” McConnell was simply afraid that Lisa would flip to the Democrat caucus if he stood up to her. Since that will continue if she is confirmed, and it will be true no matter who is minority leader, do we have somebody in the Senate, ANYBODY, who would tell her “no”?

      Did Joe Lieberman keep his senior perks when he came back as an “independent”? (Of course, that was a different situation, too. They kicked him out from the top rather than from the bottom (primaries).)

  • Scope

    Joe Miller is being Borked. God Bless him for continuing his fight, too many Republicans take their losses, and go home without fighting the machines. I’m not hopeful for Joe at this time because the princess and her degenerates seem to have sprinkled enough pixie dust over the electorate, and, more importantly the Alaskan courts.

    If I am not mistaken, the AK supreme court, who decided to go with the intent of the voter, “after the election” ruled in favor of the Murkowski dynasty. I was sickened today to hear Judge Herman Munster Napolitano go with the court decision, easily forgetting that the decision went against all prior election laws, and, conveniently forgot that you can’t/shouldn’t change the rules after the action has already happened. What a dope.

    I am sorry for Joe, and all of the other candidates that find themselves in the line of fire, especially from those in their own party. When I think of McConnell retaining his position as the top Republican in the Senate, I am only more thrilled that the Republicans did not get the Senate majority. McConnell was denied the ability to take the Republican party down even further.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      I can recall. Her sense of personal entitlement to the office esp by one that inherited the job, disgusts me to no end.

    • cactusjack

      I had had in my gut this strange feeling I could not articulate, that winning the House was great but not winning the Senate right now, was…not that bad. You put it into words why, thanks.

    • texasgalt

      Buck hurt but there’s just something really galling about this thing in Alaska.

      I guess maybe it is because the battle for Alaska is such a good metaphor for what the tea party and conservatives are facing.

  • JadedByPolitics

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    • Scope

      on both counts. How despicable.

    • Green_Lantern

      for your aggression, bro. That’s a little extreme. You don’t mean that stuff, you are my Ace on here. I love what you write and I see a lot of myself in you. I hate Skeletor (see the resemblance) too, but he never beats He-Man in the end.

      • JadedByPolitics

        I have an outlet for my anger it is called the TEA Party. I have watched people like Lisa and Art DESTROY this Country for their own gains. They feed off of the power of the office and they couldn’t give a wit for the people. If you think that I do not pray for salvation for this Country and hell for her enemies (and to me they are the enemy) then you haven’t truly been paying attention to what I have been saying. I will never understand the pure raw desire to control lives and to fill up your bank account at the expense of this great Country, NEVER!

        • JadedByPolitics

          I find that Lisa and Art are no better for this Country then George Soros. They all live for the same thing and that is power and control over the lives of others. To me they are all TRAITORS to this great Country!

          • proudmarinemom

            for a very long time. Art Chance, or whatever his real name is, is an arrogant, obnoxious, self-absorbed, mean-spirited, spiteful person who should have been banned from this site months before it actually happened.

            I never understood why his diaries got a reco.

            This site was vastly improved by his departure.

          • JadedByPolitics

            I never understood the slavish attention he got either but what he and Lisa have chosen to do to this Country for pure raw POWER is disgusting and should be held up to the light of day and has been.

          • Scope

            why Art Chance was given pass after pass after pass here on RS. We all saw many go down here for posting far less inciteful comments. I don’t blame the moderators at all.

            You are so correct that the RS community vastly improved once Art Chance crashed and burned. As Chesterton said on another diary, he often sucked the oxygen out of the site, yet still was seen as such an intelligent asset, even though he could never be fair or honest about Palin. I wonder how many here depended on his opinion about Palin, simply because he was an AK resident. I’m not a Palinite, but, if you ever stuck up for her at all, you were worse than a Paulbot.

          • tcgeol

            but on the larger issues he agreed with us and he said some things that we have to know in order to govern effectually. For conservatives to have a real say and be able to change government, we have to know how it works and do what needs to be done (in a moral and legal fashion, of course). We need an Art Chance or two for that type of knowledge and information. You and I don’t have it.

          • JadedByPolitics

            that WE The People are desirous to be rid of. The whole chit and that disgusting process of doing things to get things to control people, it is a morally bankrupt system that needs to thrown out with the garbage that perpetuates it!

          • Scope

            I am proud to be a Sister in Arms alongside you. It’s about our country, not about the personalities that want to stand higher on the stage than We The People.

          • Finrod

            Our enemies haven’t kept their power this long by coincidence or luck. They have methods of doing so, methods that keep us from dislodging them since most of us don’t know them. That’s why we could have the Presidency and both houses of Congress for four years and the government is still as bloated and as powerful as ever.

            Art and people like him have fought against these types and know their tactics and more importantly know how to take them down. That was Art’s most valuable contribution here: how to dislodge the enemy from power.

          • Scope

            you out yourself as the radical that Art Chance was, which is, by any means necessary. You said that he said some things that we need to know in order to govern effectually. What exactly did he advise that you adopted? Please spell it out.

          • tcgeol

            Did you not read that I said that I probably disagreed with 70% of what he said or is it your normal knee-jerk reaction when his name is mentioned?

            He knows the inside of government and gave some ideas on how to reorganize bureaucracy so that the leftists can’t use it against us so easily. I don’t believe that you really know any more of the inner workings of government than I do, and we need some people who do. Would I do everything that he suggested? Of course not, we don’t start from the same place and we disagreed on a lot of issues, but it does little good for your personal dislike for the man to blind you to good information that he did, at times, give.

          • Scope

            “He knows the inside of government and gave some ideas on how to reorganize bureaucracy so that the leftists can

          • Scope

            rather than isolating my comments for your responses. Seems that others have been on the same page as me. How would you respond to Jaded or proudmarinemom’s comments?

          • tcgeol

            I replied to you above only because you called me out over it. If you don’t want me to reply to you specifically, don’t call me out on something I said.

            Look, I know from experience that you cannot or will not reasonably discuss Art Chance. My post wasn’t to you, so lets drop it.

          • Finrod

            Our enemies have set up how the government works. It’s designed to keep them in power. We need to know how that works or else they’ll be in power forever. Art has a lot of that knowledge, and explained a good deal of it in some of his diaries here. I’m quite certain that’s the only reason he stayed as long here as he did.

            Don’t confuse knowing the enemy with being the enemy. No matter what Art is doing now, he imparted a lot of important information during his time here. If you want to ignore that, then you’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

            Settle down, please.

          • Doc Holliday

            I don’t know he had any effect on the race in AK. I don’t know that I learned anything from him about government. I think we all should let it go. If anything he must be enjoying this, it is nice to be remembered lol.

    • Doc Holliday

      He is just some guy on the net to me. I could never be that angry at him, hell I am not even that angry about Obama. My goal is to defeat political opponents/enemies (in some cases) and that is about it.

      I never had that much interest in the “inner workings of government” so I mainly chatted with Achance about other subjects, mostly history. He had some good knowledge of the subject and he wrote pretty well. We debated a few issues, but I can honestly say I can’t remember a single argument.

      The last few weeks before he left the site I was so disgusted with his attacks on Palin, Miller, and the “lower 48″ that I avoided any thread he was a part of. I just had no interest in the same argument day after day. I thought he was going to be banned long before he left, I also thought he should have been banned. I know most of us would have been for saying 1/10th of the things he got away with.

      Anyway, I don’t think about Achance or any former poster. If anything he was right about Alaska all along, to that state’s shame.

      My suggestion is to move on and don’t get so angry that you could feel that way about some political foe. But that is just my opinion, we are all free to think what we like.

      • JadedByPolitics

        I am at peace, praying is a very peaceful respite for me. I only remember to pray for their burning in hell when I see theirs names, other then that I never give either a second thought.

      • JSobieski

        AChance was always talking about taking out the entrenched bureaucracy. First time I ever heard Rush talk about doing that in a systematic way was this afternoon.

        Agree that too much is made of personalities sometimes. AChance as a person, or as a supporter of a particular candidate doesn’t really matter in the forum of RS—the fact that he had some good insights and ideas about the challenges of governing should not be dismissed by anyone who is serious about taking back the country.

  • Tbone

    Much easier to spell and a great branding ploy to boot.

    • phenne

      … darn funny!

      (I laughed soooo hard, I pissed myself)

    • texasgalt

      . . . something about what’s the difference in someone who sells out their principles and a lady of the evening,

      It brought yet another firestorm upon Miller and he quickly disowned the statement.

      • chamberD

        It’s called being a prostitute, selling your soul for temporal gain — and it’s not restricted to women!

      • Doc Holliday

        As far as I am concerned, the place is a hole. They deserve what they get. I think we all know now more people voted for Lisa, I am not wasting anymore time with these people, and that included Palin. I have no problems with Palin doing what she does, but she will not be our nominee.

        You know, Art said many times that Alaskans could care less about the United States, he said this with no ramifications from this site. He said things that would curl your hair, and I believe it.

        On other thing, Art was never banned. He as “banned” after saying he was leaving the site, check the record, I am not saying this to you TexasGalt, I am just stating a truth to all that can be checked in the record here. He said Alaskans don’t like people in the lower 48, and he might be right. All I know is I no longer care about Miller, I know longer care about Alaska. The place has become a punchline, so let it be.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          He was banned for violating site policy, as he knew he would be.

          • Doc Holliday

            I also know he said tens of bannable things prior to banning. He also said he was leaving prior to be banned. I don’t want to dig this up but I can. I was there, he said stuff that was almost seditious and remained. It was not until he said he was going to work for the Republican’s opponent and then said he was leaving the site because of the conflict, that he was banned.

          • Read Chesterton

            with his Machiavellian war stories and sycophantic following. He was an “ends justifies the means” guy and made no bones about it. It says more about us than it does about him that we gave him the forum and gathered at his feet like wide eyed preschoolers to learn “how its really done” while claiming that “we’re different.”

          • acat

            …and the truth is that most new candidates, especially those of the “fine upstanding citizen-legislator” mold Republicans seem quite fond of, will run into their first Art and be flummoxed if not outright beaten.

            The moral I took from Art’s repeated postings was that we need to elect a type of person who can either work with an Art, or who can put him down in a straight fight, and who know that the Arts of the world won’t give anyone a chance for the latter.

            Mew

          • Scope

            Yes, there are plenty of Art types out there, but, they are usually Democrats, if not outright Alinsky Progressive Marxists. We have enough Demons going after our candidates, using every vile tactic and lie they can to win, we don’t need to put our people through that battleground testing to make sure they are tough enough, or to prove they can get just as down and dirty. I think that is the wrong approach, IMHO. Look who’s race/battle he decided to join.

            I do agree with Chesterton that some gathered at his feet to hear his “How to win a War by any means” tactics, but, I can proudly say I never joined that club, as is well known in these parts.

          • acat

            I suspect you typoed, but perhaps it was freudian.

            There are plenty of Art-styled apparatchiks in both parties – the breed is a little more obvious on the Dem side, but just as present on the Repub side.

            A smaller-town candidate has very little to prepare him (or her) for an Art… especially one with a Repub lapel pin.

            It is very helpful to know what the “win at all costs” tactics are, even if one doesn’t plan to use them… first, to be aware of what the enemy will toss at you, but more importantly, to look for signs of zealotry within your own campaign.

            You’re welcome to wash your hands of the whole thing, but rejecting the value of the lesson is … short-sighted.

            Mew

          • Scope

            that there are Art’s in the Republican Party. I’m quite sure that every single one of our candidates, even the little first time hometown candidates, experienced just how low some people will go to win. For some example, look at the campaign that Dan Benishek ran. Guaranteed, I am not aware of everything he did or said, but, while I’m sure he encountered some nasty sorts, he stayed above the fray, and, ran a clean campaign, talking about his positions on the issues. Again, look at Ruth McClung, again, I’m not aware of her campaign, but, she ran against one of the most vile creatures, and, she almost won. I would be willing to bet that she never got down in the gutter in her campaign.

            Yes, I agree that all candidates need to be aware of the vileness that takes place, but, I really don’t believe that anyone is unaware that there are some really bad people out there. If they were not aware of it before throwing their hat in the ring, then they are way to naive to win any election, except Alvin Green of course. There are those that stay on message, and display class in their campaigns, and then there are the classless. I argue, Art was definitely in a class all by himself, and, he was far more bully than anything else. I would bet that a Benishek or a McClung, among others, would ignore Art’s existence.

          • acat

            … dealt with “squeaky-clean” candidates getting their heads handed to ‘em not during the elections, but afterward, when they tried to govern.

            The politics don’t end when the election is over, government is nothing like business, and a big percentage of the political appointees are Arts just waiting to happen.

            Yes, Benisheck ran a clean campaign and stayed on message. The better example, to my mind, is going to be Nicki Haley in South Carolina. She also stayed on a good conservative message .. and all the good ol’ boys gave her hell. Surely you don’t expect that to stop now that she’s won.. any more than the original Art stopped giving Palin hell after she won…

            That’s the lesson I took. We’re not going to get rid of all the little Arts in government easily, whether we are squeaky-clean or not, so our candidates had better figure out how to deal with it.

            One of Art’s lessons that Conservatives had better take seriously is to fire everyone on Day 1. If you’re a Governor, all the old appointees must go. If you’re a Representative or, God help ya, a Senator, then don’t accept anybody elses’ cast-off staff. Hire new blood or, if you’re moving up, take your people with you.

            Mew

          • Finrod

            Governing is harder than winning elections. Bureaucracies were built by Democrats for Democrats to keep Democrats in power even when they’re not in the majority. Knowing how to deal with that is what Art brought here, and we ignore that at our own folly.

          • JSobieski

            Has any Republican President in the modern era really tried to tackle the bureaucracies in DC? It wouldn’t appear so to me. I mean, the State Department by itself requires a 180 re-orientation towards furthering American interests.

            There is a reason why I think Rudy would make a great Cabinet officer—he seems the person most likely to take on the entrenched bureaucracies in a meaningful way.

            Some of use were hopeful that Condi would have changed State. Instead, it changed her.

          • http://Blackberrybear.etsy.com knitwit

            She started out with a hopeful eye toward change at State; it didn’t last long, and she was overrun and her message sullied, and the entrenched bureaucracy had effectively neutered her. I was thinking that she would do a better job of running the NFL, though….which she really wanted to do.

          • JSobieski

            but its something most folks don’t talk about.

            AChance was one of the few people on this board who spent a lot of time talking about.

            I would love to see what someone like Rudy could do to Foggy Bottom.

          • Read Chesterton

            Ignoring the demons within lets them grow stronger, Scope

            That sounds like bad theology and bad psychology. Demons thrive on attention. I know mine do. They shrivel up and blow away when I give all my attention to their sworn enemy, The Truth.

            There’s a saying that goes something like “If you work with snakes then you gotta learn to crawl on your belly.” I don’t subscribe to that. I like the one I learned backpacking in Pennsylvania: “If you travel with snakes, buy a snake rider for your fishing license that permits you to pack a pistol on the trail.”

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            …but we’ve shared a mutual respect. Right now we don’t like one another, and it’s all about that Murkowski bitch and that Palin saint. :)

            I’m actually more radical than he is, but usually save my bile for radicals at the other end of my love-hate spectrum, Marxists, not Murkowski-ites. Dynastists and Scarlett O’Hara’s only rate as a fair sized carbuncle on my behind. They can always be lanced.

            But out of deference to the Art-haters here, many of whom I also hold in high regard, neither do I know the nature of the deep venom you share about Art. They must go way back, and I’m sorry he isn’t around to swap body blows with you anymore. Seems he and I found a way to become enemies without damning the ground the other walks on. Once Palin decides not to run and Murkowksi is indicted, we’ll probably take up where we left off.

            But therein lies a moral, for what I do know is a back-alley ambush. I’ve seen this elsewhere in my life, even recently, and every time I see it I come away changed.. A mob lunching is never a pretty thing.

          • janis

            that Art added a huge amount of value to this site in terms of his historical knowledge on a range of topics. As to his political acumen, he sent me the first 50 pages of a manuscript on how to govern once a Republican was in office of any size. It was so densely packed with information that it made my eyes cross. But the man absolutely knew what he was talking about. He addressed unions, campaigns, office staffs, etc.

            As to his character, I only knew him online, but I know that he was a man generous with his reco’s, staunch in his loyalties, and he was courteous with other commenters as long as they were courteous with him. He had a troubled personal life, compounded by his professional life coming to a close with the election of Sarah Palin. I never agreed with his vitriol toward her, but he knew her and I didn’t. Therein lies the difference.

            As to what he did by working for Murkowski, I regret that. But I don’t hate him for it. He did what he thought was the right thing to do at the time. All of you who are still so gleeful at his banning make yourselves small by doing so. As I pointed out once before, those here who profess to be Christians disgrace their faith by continuing to crucify this man repeatedly for just being who he is.

            You left Jesus come down off the cross, why not Art Chance?

          • texasgalt

            Yes ,and thanks, Janis.

            http://tiny.cc/hilb9

          • janis

            And the thanks are entirely on my side to you. I know you didn’t intend to start a firestorm with this diary, but some cannot resist their lesser angels. As Vassar said way below this comment, Art would appreciate what you wrote and how you wrote it.

          • Tbone

            “He did what he thought was the right thing to do at the time.”

            And thank you for sharing your sanctimonious opinion and valued instruction on Christian living.

            So, he can’t be faulted for what he did and he can’t be crucified for who he is.

            Got it.

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            …and others are self-made men.

          • Scope

            If you take my comments to acat to be a mob lynching, or a back alley ambush, I’m sorry you see it that way. I responded to acat when she said-

            “The truth is that most new candidates, especially those of the “fine upstanding citizen-legislator” mold Republicans seem quite fond of, will run into their first Art and be flummoxed if not out right beaten. The moral I took from Art’s repeated postings was that we need to elect a type of person who can either work with an Art or who can beat him down in a straight out fight. and who knows that the Art’s of the world won’t give anyone a chance for the latter.”

            I took issue with that sentiment, as I saw it meaning that unless candidates are willing to get down in the gutter, with those that will use gutter tactics against them, they may as well save their time and money, don’t bother running. Also, since when did being a “fine upstanding citizen-legislator”, that the Republicans seem quite fond of, become something to be snide about or to be mocked? Then to say that she took Art’s moral to be, work with me (and my demands because I know more than you) or win in a straight out fight, which I will make sure you never have the chance of doing, was to adopt what message I took away from Art as being, use their own rules and tactics against them. In other words, if Alan Greyson comes out with a Taliban Dan ad against me, then I must come out with an equally low down and dirty ad against him. It means that I must bury a bag of pre-recorded ballots with votes for me, in case the election is close, and I’ll have a staffer find them in her trunk, but only as many as I need to win. That was the message I got from many of Art’s posts, if someone punches you in the nose, get a crow bar and put a dent in their head, and make damn sure they are destroyed. Achance, in his own words, said that there were many underpaid state workers, and, he made it that way, and, he gloated on that. You weren’t here back before the 2008 elections, where Art posted that Palin got to where she did, because of making “lateral” moves. Again, in Art’s own words, he bragged about taking people into an office, closing the door, and threatening them, but he made sure there was no one there to hear what he said, and indicated that spouses and daughters were involved. Look, no question we need to be tough against those that want to destroy us, on both sides,but, if I am naive to think that words, shouted out in the public square, with the truth of what’s going on don’t work, then resort to other tactics. Problem is, those on our side haven’t even given that approach a chance, until someone like a DeMint comes out publicly criticizing those on his own side for not denying Murkowski her committee positions, even after she lost the primary. I haven’t seen Jim DeMint resorting to crow bars. I never agreed with Art’s suggestions for using the Marxists own methods against them, or against those on our own side.

            I used Benishek and McClung as examples of what I consider “fine upstanding citizens-legislators” or as Art would refer to them “those true conservatives, or even worse “you down in the lower 48″ as though we down here were nothing but turnips, that hadn’t even fallen off the back of the truck yet. I agreed to the point that, yes they would come up against the Art types in the world, and yes they needed to be aware that they are out there, but, they didn’t need to get down in the mud with the pigs so they could get some slop. If they can’t win because of their positions on the issues, and an indication of how they would vote in DC, and if they were naive enough to not know what they were going to be up against in their campaigns, then they deserved to lose. I give our small town candidates more credit than that. I don’t think it is unheard of that many voters want to know what your positions and beliefs are, rather than how down and dirty you can get. I said that the campaigns that stay on message, and know that the Art types will be there trying to trip them up, they needed to ignore those types, rather than give them a bigger microphone. Again, look how many turned on Greyson after his Taliban Dan ad. That may not be the only reason, but, it is at least part of the reason.

            That was my argument in reply to acat, but, here I am explaining my thoughts in many more words. acat then took the argument to “governing”, which I was not here to participate in, and, probably would not have. I was talking about candidates, period. What a big difference in more recent elections, with many many more Republicans willing to throw their hats in the ring. There was a time when Democrats won seats by default, simply because no Republican candidates even came out to challenge them. I am thrilled that many many “fine upstanding citizen-legislators” or “those true conservatives” have woken up, and have been willing to put themselves, and their families in the limelight, in order to represent we the people, rather than the Ruling Class in DC. I am thrilled that the citizens elected some small business owners, entreprenuers (sp), doctors and pizza shop owners, thank God, it is about time. No, I disagree that they need to be put through the battlefield school of down and dirty politics so they can succeed. Many did.

            Again, if discussing peoples style, and, using Art’s style as an example is a lynch mob, I’m sorry you took it that way. I thought my replies to acat were quite civil, and, I don’t consider my opinions of Art’s style to be uncivil. If Art was here, and I, or anyone disagreed with Art’s style, yes you are right, he would deliver a body blow, and, his Mack truck wasn’t named civil, it was named ad hominem. I learned long ago, to stay away from any of Art’s posts, whether I agreed or not, yet, I would read threads where I commented to someone else, and low and behold, there was a reply to me from Achance about how dumb and/or stupid I was. I doubt that he would have ever done that to you Vassar, maybe because of a shared respect, but, also because I believe he knew that those that support you, your credibility, your earned respect, your humor and nostalgia in your diaries, would have not tolerated his attacks any more than anyone here tolerates any attacks on Penguin.

            Janis. I believe that you were addressing me, mainly, in your response to Vassar’s comment. I resent that you put words in my mouth that I am “gleeful” that Art Chance was banned. Please go back up and reread my 2 comments to acat, and, please tell me where you find any “glee” in my posts that Art was banned. In fact, go back and read all of my comments that included Art’s name since his fateful meltdown, which he brought on himself. I challenge you to find glee in anything I’ve said. I also didn’t find anything resembling “glee” in Chesterton’s comments, or in Doc’s above. Absolutely, I am not saddened that he is no longer posting, and, going after those that disagreed with him. I am thankful that I don’t have to read his comments to me, unprovoked, where I, and sometimes Jaded are denigrated into idiot status. Don’t listen to anything they say, they don’t know what they are talking about, even if a simple opinion was expressed. That is very different than being “gleeful”, it is called being relieved. Even more than that, I resent being told that I disgrace my profession of being a Christian
            because I continue to crucify Art for being who he is. Let’s turn that one around Janis. How about considering that Art continued to crucify me, and many others here, simply for being who they were/are. If you look a little deeper into that, and my posts, you will see that my approach to candidates and politicians in general is a hell of a lot more Christian than in the approach/style Art choose to adopt. It is your choice to take whatever lessons you wanted from Art, it is your choice to remain loyal to someone you admire and respect, it is your choice to feel that Art is being crucified, and, I respect your right to make those choices. It is also my choice to have taken away a much different lesson from Art Chance. It is my right to shun his approach to his fellow citizens. It is my right to shun his lessons on how to play political hardball. Mostly, it is my right to be offended that you use my Christian faith in order to make your point.

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            …but one from which I won’t bend. You and Art can spit in each other’s eyes all you want, I stay out of it. It doesn’t make either of you look very good, but both of you have qualities I admire, so I just closet that stuff off and try to go onto the next page.

            Art and I respect each other (or maybe not, you can never tell about him) so can exchange thrusts and parries with just a little glint in our eyes. We know there will be a tomorrow, and neither of us is all that interested in standing over the other and beating our chest like dumb kids.

            We’re old.

            Art has a body of work here that even his most hated detractor will have to admit is pretty impressive, and certainly not bitter or vindictive or inflammatory. I know with some of you, you just don’t like each other, but still hold you in high regard.

            So be it. Just don’t expect me to choose sides. But also don’t expect me to relax rules that are as rigid with me as the position as the North Star. Tbone breached one, and may even want to know what it is. But I cannot abide beating a guy up who can’t look you or anyone else in the eye and fight back. That is an ambush, and I despise it. No if’s, and’s or but’s.

            Art isn’t here because RedState banned him. Forever. I still mention him, but rarely complimentary, although a little nostalgically. In this post, TexasGalt also mentioned him more or less neutrally. Still, look at how the mere mention of his name quickly descended into the same vindictive name calling as if he were still here…except, and this is the kicker, he could not possibly have thrown the first insult this time.

            Go back and figure out how things hobbled down here if you’re interested. Me? I’m not. All I care about is the ambush, and this was an ambush, and I don’t like it. Period. And it takes more than one to make a mob. So no, you weren’t singled out.

          • Tbone

            “But also don

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            I have no qualms with people of irreligion, or no religion. In fact, Art was, if memory serves. But Janis found, and I agree, a moral dimension in the give and take that transpired above, which offended me on another level altogether, to wit: That if Jesus can love the lowest among us (and God knows, to some of you, Art fills that bill) then aren’t we (Christians) being a bit presumptuous to cast a man down beneath Christ’s judgment Himself?

            She made a good point. Food for thought. Worthy of Reflection….all which made you either squirm (most likely) then react violently.

            Now, it pays me no never mind whether you think that is all drivel, or “sanctimonius” bilge, or whatever, but it was a valid observation in that context. Had you made an opening remark filled with catty inanities, which you often do, I would have stayed silent, as I always have, as it was your opener, and it would have been bad manners to try to bait you.

            You violated that rule, and in doing so declared yourself small in my eyes. I didn’t name you that, you did. I can’t abide those kinds of bad manners. And won’t.

            Thus endeth the lesson.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            There was no room in Bethlehem
            for him who left his throne
            to seek the lost at countless cost
            and make their griefs his own;

            but there was room at Calvary
            upon a cross of shame
            for him to die, uplifted high,
            and bear the sinner’s blame.

            There was no room at Bethlehem
            and in the world today
            man will not give him room to live
            but bids him turn away;

            but there is room at Calvary,
            and there he stands to give
            a home to all who heed his call
            and look to him and live.

            There was no room at Bethlehem
            for Christ, the prince of heaven
            come down to earth in human birth
            that man might be forgiven:

            but there is room at Calvary
            for sinners to abide,
            and all who come will find a home
            in Jesus crucified.

            Margaret Clarkson
            ©1960 Hope Publishing

            (although written to another tune, Carol (CMD), aka O Little Town of Bethlehem, is a nice fit as well)

            There’s clearly only one place where we all can hope to be resolved. Until then, this Yankee-in-a-sea-of-blue urges his compadres to a) apply their State’s Rights convictions with full zeal to matters within geographies other than their own, b) shape their pejorative uses of the term “treason” by a sober review of the constitutional bounds thereof, c) failing (b), calculate and publish their best estimate of the percent of the nation currently meeting their definition thereof, and d) meditate upon:

            …the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things.

            How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, a world of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life, and set on fire by hell. For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.

            James 3:5-12 (ESV)

            “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

            Matthew 12:33-37 (ESV)

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            Pax vobsicum, My friend.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            .. though with sadness for the risk you may incur given my pariah status to some in this crowd!

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            …getting people to look more closely behind the curtain. We both share that road, I think.

            You are always welcome at my table. Just remember to say Grace.:)
            Then we will drink and speak of many things.

            Cordially

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

            We’ve had sharp words over some of your past comments (mostly from me, to be fair), but your contributing pastoral wisdom here like this is most welcomed.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            But the “pastoral mode” of even that penultimate of shepherds was seen quite differently, don’t you think, by one of his lambs than by the bear, or the lion … or Saul … or a certain pituitarily-challenged champion of Dagon?

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            Missed you more than I’d known, Cinco.

            Really good to see you back.

          • Tbone

            If you are willing to excuse and forgive what people do because:

          • Scope

            I could and would have left the Vassar post about those of us lynching Achance, like a bunch of cowards, when he wasn’t here to deliver his “body blows” alone. It was Janis’s post, calling any and every one of us that posted our thoughts about Art Chance, as being a disgrace to our Christian faith, that made my hair stand up. That comment was faulty, and offensive, in that we were all called unchristian like because we called out Achance’s unchristian behavior. That’s what set me off. To come back and denigrate someone for calling her on it is, how shall I say this, unchristian like. The hypocrisy of it all is evident.

          • Tbone

            I have long become immune to people questioning my or other’s faith. It is what people do who have yet to accept their own failings. Bless their hearts.

            I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of questioning other faith as a “teachable moment”. He who hath ears… Oh well. And then along comes Vassar as if it was scripted.

            As for Art. I agreed with him on most things but I found his Palin derangement syndrome down right funny. I find her better than a hot foot for getting certain people to jump up and down like a tightwad in front of a pay toilet. His Palovian response to her name was …. useful.

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            You crossed a line.

          • Tbone

            out of a rather pedestrian intellect. I tend to agree with your political positions, at least not those clouded by your occasional unfortunate propensity to let your emotions smother logic and reason.

            However, I am curious if you have ever come to any conclusions as to what turned you into a PA? It might be instructive to younger people to help them avoid doing likewise. BTW, this shouldn’t be taken as a criticism as PAs certainly have a contributing place in our society. John Kerry, Al Gore. Rosie O’Donnell and David Letterman all come to mind as people of considerable accomplishments, albeit of questionable value perhaps. Is there like a club or society to which you all belong?

            Anyway, I wish you a pleasant Holiday Season.

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            Dixit inspiens.

            I am pretty pedestrian, you know. That’s the secret to all my charm. But I can read and comprehend simple thoughts, which had you been capable, we might be discussing things a little deeper than “yo momma”.

            It must be hell being dismissed by a nitwit. That has never happened to me.

            Cordially

          • Tbone

            and your streak remains unbroken. LOL

          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            …But there’s a lesson here, isn’t there?

            All you had to do was apologize to Janis for that stupid, inane, insipid, PA-like, condescending, jackass-like comment, you made to her ABOUT A COMMENT OF MINE, and I mean, knee-walking remorse…
            …and then, we could have been friends. Or at least supped at the same table. (I do admire honest snipers.) .

            As I treasure Scope’s friendship and she knows where I’m coming from, I think we’ll do fine.

          • Tbone

            I don’t take myself seriously, Why on earth do you think I should take you or anyone else seriously? So, there are now 6 billion and 1 people on earth that aren’t my friends. I must remain strong.

            PS. Lunch?

          • janis

            in mind when I wrote it. It was a general post to all those who were behaving the same way. The fact that you felt it was directly aimed at you should tell you much about your own conscience. As to your humongously long comment in response, you love your own voice too much.

            I do not. Nor will I have anything further to say about the matter. You have shown yourself for who you are and for how you think you are entitled to behave in the absence of those whom you slam so viciously. Too bad that your presence here adds so little and detracts so much.

          • Scope

            since you have made it clear that your comment includes Jaded, proudmarinemom, Doc, Tbone and Chesterton, that they also disgrace their Christian faith, because all of us continue to “crucify” this man for being who he is, says more about you, for your unfounded attack on anyone’s lack of Christianity, because they expressed their sentiments, against his nastiness. I never saw you come out against Art Chances denigration of so many here, rather you seem to have supported his deeds. When I posted my complaints against Art Chances personal attacks on me, you posted to me that “I needed to get over playing the victim”. When Tbone used the term “sanctimonious” in his comment to you, he was on the target. You denigrate those that say what they have against Art Chance, but, come back and do the very same thing, to those I listed, that you are railing against, especially with your comment to me. How presumptuous of you. That should tell you something about your blind loyalty and allegiance to someone who had no thread of Christian kindness in his body. You said that Achance was civil to those that were civil to him. That’s an outright lie, and you know it. How many people here were at the brunt of his personal attacks, because he didn’t like or agree with those that were posting against what he was preaching, about Palin in particular. Look back at all those comments Janis. I’m sure you will see what I am saying.

            You say, you have nothing more to say here, and, that is understandable. I’ll borrow a part of Chestertons comment above- They go away like schoolgirls in a huff, if truth is brought to light. I’ll also add another element of one of his comments which pertains to the Art Chance MO- When you are in the woods with snakes, it doesn’t mean that you have to get down and crawl on your belly.

            If I add nothing to the site, and am nothing more than a detractor to the site, then I have a piece of advice- DON”T READ MY COMMENTS. I promise, I haven’t been much interested in your either.

            End of story for me on this diary. Have at it.

          • Scope

            to ask where you have been coming out in support of the Republican candidates in the mid-term elections. . I may have missed your posts, but, doesn’t seem like you have been very much of a cheerleader for our candidates.

          • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

            what they do or don’t do for anybody else. The same as you’ve said to janis could be applied to hundreds who visit this site daily or weekly, including me.

            For all of your judgments of unChristian-like behaviors on others’ part you seem to ignore your own in the very fact of pointing out someone else’s behavior in a public way not to mention little knowledge of their very real lives away from the artificiality of the internet.

            How many internet cheerleaders would it take to make up the difference in support for one candidate versus one person locally willing to go from house to house in a neighborhood to talk about what’s at stake?

            How much time did you spend as a volunteer at your local party helping to get out the vote in support of local candidates?

            How many meetings did you attend in the run up to the election?

            What did you do on election day?

            No need to answer any one of those questions because they really don’t matter except to highlight the pettiness that’s being pushed as “Christian.”

            Everything you’ve written shouts the fact that you can’t accept people as they are; that they must fit your preconceived notion of what should be in order to call oneself a conservative.

            Janis is here, when and where it suits her, not you.

            I haven’t been around in months, except for the odd comment here, the occasional diary recommend there. And here I am today, looking at this entire thread and wondering why bother being here at all.

            You remind me much of a part of that which we’re fighting against: The double standards of the left. One rule for you and another harsher rule for everyone else who don’t see things exactly the way you do.

            Christianity, and conservatism, too, for that matter, are better than that. You need to accept people as they are, warts and all, the parts you don’t agree with as well as the ones you do. If you can’t do that how is it the fault of anyone but yourself?

          • janis

            you then take your next comment to chide me for not being around much and not commenting much on candidates during this past election. How contradictory. And yet so very Scopish.

            Here’s some info for you, Scope: I don’t answer to you. And making comments on a blog is not the way that I choose to support my candidates. You have no idea who I supported or what I did to get them elected. It’s none of your business.

            You completely missed the point of what I said and what Vassar said as well. I can see why, too. You continue to flaunt your hatred of Art Chance at every opportunity. Yet he isn’t here anymore to challenge you, to correct your comments or to even so much as glance in your direction. But that’s not enough for you. You deliberately do all you can to make anyone else who shows up hate him as well. Why? To vindicate your own behavior. Small, Scope, very small. I care nothing for your opinion of me nor of Art. Should you wish to be of more value here, then it would behoove you to read more carefully and write less carelessly.

            And now I am tired of dealing with you. I used to troll hunt on this blog. I gave it up. You know why? Because at some point I realized that I was beginning to sound like you. And that is not a good thing.

            Not at all.

          • Scope

            tell me again about how unchristian I have been. It didn’t take you long to prove, once again, that you resort to little girl nasty tactics, and, yes, you do have a vile tongue on you. Again, the term sanctimonious applies. Tell me again about how little I am Janis, when you prove yet again that you are no more Christian than Achance was, and, that you have learned his personal mode of attacks so well.

            Have a good evening Janis, and, stew in your own nasty juice, better yet, pray for your own redemption. You are the small person here, and, you have proved that very well.

            Before any of us are told to move on, by the moderators, I am big enough to move on from your dribble. Again, in a very Christian like manner, I wish you a good evening. I really have no more to say to you, simply because your whole Christian preaching seems to involve everyone else but you. Like Tbone said above, he doesn’t get offended by attacks as you have done, you have your own Demons you are fighting with.

            I will say a prayer for you tonight, that you can find some kind of peace within yourself.

          • janis

            I have a vile tongue on me, do I? Show me where I started the firestorm that started on this diary. Texasgalt wrote a good piece in which he mentioned Art Chance in passing. But, like moths to a flame , some couldn’t resist taking it as a chance to build a brushpile, put a stake in the middle of it, lash the dead presence of a banned diarist to it, and then light the flames. And then celebrate as the fire grew hotter. Art detested bad manners, poor writing, and the heat of insults cast without provocation. You exhibited all of them.

            As to me finding peace, I have done so for years without the help of someone such as you. By the way, if you will notice, no one showed up to help you in your crusade to fuss at me. Does that tell you anything about the support you command at this site? If it doesn’t, it should. You are known by the company you keep. Apparently they don’t care for that label. If you’re smart, you’ll think about that and modify your behavior. But you won’t.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Scope is in her glory. She’s yet to make a rational argument for anything since she’s been here. She routinely would get pissy with Art and he would dismember her “arguments” to the point of embarrassment and she’d stomp off in a huff. Now that Art can’t dismember her dissemblings she’s pretty free to be as [insert adjective] as she wants with little fear of getting stomped. And you’ve been here long enough to know full well she’s not smart enough to think about anything. Frankly, Scope just isn’t worth the effort.

          • janis

            And I also know she always has to get the last word, no matter how idiotic that word leaves her looking. Art would appreciate some of this thread, wouldn’t he?

            If you talk to him, please tell him I and others miss his presence here.

          • Read Chesterton

            neither do I know the nature of the deep venom you share about Art.

            I enjoyed his writing as much as anyone and had no personal axe to grind with him. I thought his war stories reflected more of a “machine politics as usual” outlook than anything resembling conservatism, but never considered it my lookout regarding his deportment on the site. I regret my comment about his “sucking the air out of the joint” if it is interpreted as a personal attack. I don’t want that kind of baggage around here as a mere commenter.

            I’m sure the old saw about “crawling on one’s belly” can apply to any of us at one time or another, but Art made no bones about living up to that one. I come from a trade union family so I can relate even if I try to stay on the high ground,

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

            “Don’t speak ill of the dead”

            …as they aren’t around to defend themselves.

            And especially when they aren’t dead (such as Art) or have been raised from the dead (such as Jesus).

            I respect Art for what he had to contribute to this site (and still has to contribute towards 2012 and beyond). There are matters on which we will disagree, and I also recognize when I’m on shaky ground because there’s much I don’t know about on an issue, in which case I’m best advised to hold my tongue.

            And certainly when it comes to in-house Alaska politics, there’s much I don’t understand and, like any dysfunctional family, probably don’t want to know.

            Janis has spoken wisely here.

  • Kyle-MI

    Even if Miller pulls out a win, it will be by playing lawyer and invalidating as many votes as possible. Even under those circumstances, he will only have won a plurality of voters. The vast majority of AK voters will have chosen to go with the porker Dem or the soulless porker independent. As far as I am concerned all of those voters can take a long walk off of a short pier. The country would be better off if the seat were left vacant for six years. We would be even better off if it were to revert back to a territory. The majority of Alaskans certainly haven’t shown themselves competent in running a state.

    • cactusjack

      with my family for three years when I was sent there by my job. Some of the older Alaskans who could remember pre-1959 “Territory Days,” told me they preferrred being a territory to a State. Because there was only one government and one set of taxes to pay. And the territorial government actually seemed more citizen friendly.

      • pilgrim

        If they are not capable of a working State government, then what is the point of electing US Senators? They can send a delegate to the House in DC just like Guam does.

        • cactusjack
      • http://Blackberrybear.etsy.com knitwit

        in Puerto Rico feel too, since they keep voting down potential Statehood, though the Democrat/Socialist/Marxists keep trying to push that through down there.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Murky wasn’t happy being handed more advantages than ordinary Americans could ever dream of. She had to become the equivalent of the SEIU, and if those who voted for her are anything like Art, they mainly want a comfortable job. I read Art’s stuff and think he has a future as a writer. His interest in politics was something different. He made the point that his life got very bad when politics changed in Alaska and he was determined to get the comfy life back again. I’m more focused on saving this country by changing personnel and culture in the Beltway.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    that’s one more reason to support an end to earmarks. Even if the savings are a drop in the bucket for the federal government, I imagine a lot of Alaska’s pork habit is fed by those earmarks.

    • texasgalt

      when you consider the other spending “purchased” with them.

      • acat

        and the only people who lose in what follows are We The People.

        Mew

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …and Art is admiring you just a little right now, even tho he’ll never let on. He likes a good thrust and parry as much as the next guy…especially with a big Arkansas toothpick like you carry.
    Ol’ Charlotte, er, Lisa, is rolling in her web right now. Great piece. She may still regret every coming to Washington a second term.

    • Tbone

      Now there is a real ego boost. LOL

    • texasgalt

      I don’t feel its possible to know for sure what is in his heart. I doubt its pure black. He was often poignant but as AK began to boil over, he got on my last nerve.

      This diary really isn’t about Art, but the heifer is already outta the barn. :-)
      Moving on. . .

      What’s been done to Miller is so sad. I don’t know why he hasn’t melted down completely. I hope the right people and all potential citizen candidates are taking notes on this sordid affair.

      I also hope people will consider that in business and especially POLITICS, the way forward isn’t always between black and white. There are lots of opinions and factors that often come into play. When a decision is finally made, too often the decision maker is painted as the devil. I give you Sarah Palin’s endorsement of Carly as evidence.

      Of course, sometimes they are the devil. The wise know.

      • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

        VB

  • texasgalt

    for discussions with staff.

    http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/west/view/20101111anchorage_station_cancels_2_newscasts_for_ethics/srvc=home&position=recent

    Worrying about their credibility . . . a straight out admission and a public apology to Joe Miller is due TODAY.

    • Doc Holliday

      apologize after it is too late.

      • texasgalt
  • renny

    and if Lisa M. does win, she will find fewer of her kind grazing on tax payers’ money come Jan., and fewer to no in-house supporters when the leadership changes hands.
    And, in the bigger pix, she will be a Rep., and will not be caucusing with the Dems.

    • acat

      RINOs have always, and will always be with us.

      Look how many signatories of the Contract with America were later exposed as RINOs.

      They can be very hard to identify. Constant vigilance.

      Mew

  • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

    ;)

  • texasgalt

    Don’t miss the last 30 secs

    • texasgalt

      http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/12/murkowski-if-demint-wants-to-make-peace-with-me-he-can-make-the-first-move/

      • Scope

        he is on the high road, while Murky is on the low road.

        • earlgrey
          • Scope

            n/t

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    She can’t achieve anything on her own. First her father gives her the job. Then she loses it, and Daddy substitute McConnell rushes in to save her again. She owes vain McConnell and his group big time. If Trent Lott wants his socks darned, she’ll have to do it and make it snappy.

    • texasgalt

      >>If Trent Lott wants his socks darned, she

      • http://Blackberrybear.etsy.com knitwit

        but really darn a sock? That takes talent!

    • pilgrim
  • http://www.facebook.com/BigGator5 BigGator5

    After Lisa Murkowski is elected, I forsee her becoming the Al Franken of Alaska. A joke that the people will start to regret, almost as soon as she is sworn into office.

  • pamela1631

    Actually two questions regarding Alaskan Law.

    1. If Lisa should become incapacitated/or die prior to the election results being ratified, does Joe Miller win the election?

    2. If Lisa should become incapacitated/or die after the results are ratified in her favor, is there an appointment made or does Joe Miller step in Senate shoes with the second highest vote count?

  • andysmith

    Thanks to McConnell and Cornyn pandering to Murky, we’ve lost another shot at putting a true conservative in the Senate.
    I expect Murkowski to be declared the winner at any moment now, but with the observation (and proof for the most part) that Alaska runs off of pork and the lower 48, who can we say are the real conservatives in Alaska except for Palin and Miller? I admit I don’t know very much about Sean Parnell, Murky is Murky, Stevens was the Robert Byrd (from a spending standpoint) of the GOP, and Begich is a big government lib, so who do we have in Alaska that can help Palin and Miller carry the conservative banner up there?

    • texasgalt

      in waiting in AK. They added a few Republican seats in the election.

      Here’s the party platform:
      http://www.alaskarepublicans.com/site/c.clKSI7OSIqJcH/b.6037177/k.5B5/2010_State_Party_Platform.htm

      It looks like there will likely be 6 years of Murky ahead for AK. If this is indeed the case, I leave the state to the looters and the cold, cold nights ahead.

  • fbks

    on Friday to watch question and absentee ballot counting. It is done behind glass, there is no real “observing” with this process. There were several Miller supporters (as usual) and I joined them to listen to their perspectives. Everyone’s blood is boiling, I have seen no loss of enthusiasm or sense of “defeat”. There are lots of Lisa bumper stickers around town with “loser” and “liar” written across them as protest.
    The sense is that Alaska is set for very hard times and Lisa supporters will need to feel the pain to learn anything going forward. (Miller gained 636 votes on Friday in Fairbanks, districts 6,7,8,9 and 10 combined, amongst the absentee and question ballot totals). I saw several Lisa ballots without the oval filled, not clear if they are counted or not, should not be according to the laws.
    I have met many very dedicated conservatives in this whole process. Many are very suspicious of the Alaska Republican Party, and I have been very careful to contribute my time, yet watch my back. The earmarks for Alaska and no bid contracts for the Native Corporations must end. Alaska has the resources to contribute to the nation, yet federal policy and regulations lock most of our resources up. The 1002 portion of ANWR must be opened and federal regulations relaxed to allow the private sector to grow, and at the same time remove federal grants, earmarks and programs.
    You can call Lisa a Republican, I am ashamed to be associated in the state she may very well represent. I never did like the much revered Art Achance as he also represents what those of us who have lived here for many decades despise, the corrupt elite that runs this state. The gloves came off when the voters ditched the establishment’s choice in the make believe primary process.
    Here is a link for an interesting article on the legal aspects:
    http://www.redcounty.com/content/if-joe-miller-were-bill-hendon-would-judge-beistline-favor-federal-jurisdiction

    Whatever happens with this election, I will keep up with my new contacts and no longer blindly vote the establishment choice of “R”, but work to contest every primary and take out as many incumbents as possible. There are no “decent” incumbents from Alaska at this time.