The recent El Monte Police Department chase and subsequent “Arse Kickin” brings to light the problem of Police Brutality. This fine upstanding citizen was minding his own business when a Police Officer stopped him for a traffic violation. The driver, Richard Rodriguez, didn’t feel like pulling over because I’m sure he was tired of taking a ride to the local jail (ya see, he was on Parole already for other charges). So, Richard takes off on a famed L.A. County Police Chase. During the chase, Richard flashes his gang sign to the cops because that’s what gang bangers like to do in the heat of battle. Richard places ordinary drivers and citizens in immediate bodily injury as he drives on the sidewalk and crashes into another car. Richards is only stopped after he collides with a parked car and he takes off on foot. Officers, of course, give chase. The Officers are well versed in handling gang members. The same gang members that training to engage Officer in gun battles, train to disarm Officers and train to kill Officers in hand to hand combat. The gangs’ training far outpaces the Officers training. The Officers in pursuit already know that Richard is and doing anything he can to escape. They are thinking for the worst which is gun battle. They know they can turn the corner and Richard will be sitting, waiting to ambush the Officers. The Officers also know that they may have to fight Richard once they catch him. The Officers may have the sight of recent Officers who have died fresh on their minds. They advance towards Richard and he is prone. In a split second, the Officers must switch from “Fight!” to arrest. The bleeding off of adrenaline doesn’t happen fast enough and whammo, Richard receives an attention grabber.
Again, being human stands in the way of another arrest. Which brings us to this point. What is needed is a robot. Just like RoboCop but with no offensive weapons. Humans chase the bad guys and once the chase ends they release the robot to close in with the bad guy and with a boat load of compassion, place the bad guy in hand cuffs. Until that happens, the Cops should keep doing what they are doing. Chase gang bangers who violate laws and when they catch them…..Kick them in the face. Oh yea, I hope we never get Robots.
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No excuses
SteveLA Thursday, May 14th at 11:12PM EDT (link)thecoondawg
I’m sorry, totally disagree with your point, your snark, and your mind set. There is no excuse, ever, for police abuse.
Cops are people too, sometimes they make mistakes,. This cop made a bad mistake by kicking a suspect in the face while he was laying on the ground surrendering, and doing it Live and On TV.
The good guys, cops in my view, are not supposed to do bad things and when they do I have sympathy and some understanding in a way for them because of all the crap they have to put up with every day keeping us safe, but there are rules and standards you don’t break them and we have to hold them to those standards.
The best outcome for this officer in terms of punishment will be some sort of suspension, some sort of retraining and a lesson learned. I wish this officer well, and hope he comes out the other side of this mess a better policeman.
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Steve I'm glad you posted
mom2oneson Thursday, May 14th at 11:19PM EDT (link)I wanted to post too but wasn’t sure what to say. It’s awful the way police violate people’s rights out right or through coercion and innocent people have been murdered by them and the worse part is they get off with a hand slap. The system seems to protect them no matter what they do citizens.
SteveLA
thecoondawg Thursday, May 14th at 11:33PM EDT (link)Yea, I shouldn’t have concluded with hoping the Police kick folks in the face, but my point is….They are human. Being able to switch from attack mode to arrest mode and eliminate the adrenaline and emotion from a very traumatic event is extremely hard. Being too soft on the bad guy gives up Officer safety, too hard and you get kicked in the face. I don’t have a propblem with being too hard with someone running from the Law and endangering the public.
As for Mom, I agree with your post 100% if you were to exchange police for gang members in your comments.
Well the facts
SteveLA Thursday, May 14th at 11:40PM EDT (link)thecoondawg
I’ll agree with you that this was a first class S***head gang banger, we have tons of them here in LA. But still, there are standards of use of force, and this officer is in a world of trouble right now no matter how bad a dude this piece of dog excrement of a gang banger is.
Here’s the video from a local TV station, and it’s not pretty and it’s no looking too good for this officer.
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Well that didn't work
SteveLA Thursday, May 14th at 11:41PM EDT (link)It’s on LA KNBC if you care to look at the tape…
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SteveLA, was this what you wanted to embed?
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I wish he would have just shot the little punk dead
kyle8 Friday, May 15th at 6:45AM EDT (link)anyone driving at high speed the wrong way should be charged with aggravated attempted murder with a deadly weapon.
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Lammo Friday, May 15th at 1:09PM EDT (link)ACORN: Association of Criminals Obama Represented in the Nineties. (jupitersuite)
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I saw it,
thecoondawg Friday, May 15th at 1:15AM EDT (link)I still have no problem with it. Run from the Law=Butt whoopin. Dog pile the rabbit!
And yes, I know the Officer is in a world of hurt. He will suffer more than the bad guy will. Bad guy will get a settlement and he probobly aint even hurt.
Laws and rules should apply to gangbangers and policemen
aesthete Friday, May 15th at 2:04AM EDT (link)Sorry, but when police brutality occurs, we shouldn’t cheer it on: that just sends the message that laws are only meant for certain people, and that some groups (policemen and the like) are exempt from law. This idea of non-equality isn’t conservative, and if anything, the police should be held to a higher standard, given that they are the ones promoting good conduct.
I understand that there are many stresses associated with the job, but that’s no reason to give the police license to do anything “in the line of duty”.
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I disagree
hoosierteacher Friday, May 15th at 7:42AM EDT (link)I’ve been in law enforcement for the last two and a half years. Adrenaline is no excuse for beating a suspect who is not a threat.
I would rather that friends of law enforcement focus their efforts in another direction. Almost every time that an officer has to wrestle with a subject, lawyers jump on the “brutality” bandwagon. That’s a concern for me, and endangers us because we pause before protecting ourselves.
Widening the debate to defend officers who aren’t following policy and training dilutes the defense that officers need in the vast majority of cases, which are cases where an officer is defening himself and still gets sued wrongfuly. Every time I touch a subject, I expect some kind of investigation that can threaten my career. You can believe that I (and a majority of my partners) don’t beat suspects that are proned out on the ground.
Instead, try getting a hold of film of officers acting properly, then showing the follow-up; the officer getting sued. It happens a lot more often. Even though these cases are often won by the officer, the damage is already done.
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A kick is never justified except as a purely defensive
Achance Friday, May 15th at 8:54AM EDT (link)act. Assuming that force was justified to secure compliance, and by the time of the kick, I don’t think it was, kicking is not a part of the continuum of force. If one of our Troopers had done that, if he had some seniority and an otherwise good record, the hot pursuit and other circumstances might have mitigated his conduct enough that he would only get a suspension if he owned up for it. A junior employee, one with discipline already on his record, or one who didn’t own up would be fired - and the firing would stick in front of most any labor arbitrator.
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They'll have to adopt the Thai penalty
Menlo Friday, May 15th at 11:07AM EDT (link)Thailand has a novel approach for dealing with cops who misbehave.
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Maybe we need a new law.
Common_Cents Friday, May 15th at 12:00PM EDT (link)I say, you run from the cops and endanger lives while you are running on camera or live TV, you get a butt whoopin on the spot. On camera there is no “alleged” to endangering lives, you earned yourself a little punishment on the spot.
I learned in Psych 101, the problem to changing negative behavior in our justice system is that the punishments are delayed from the action. Whatever we can do(within reason) to make it as painful (not necessarily physical) as possible on the spot of the behavior will help to eliminate it.
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