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Time to call out the dems & raise taxes on the rich

I’m sick and tired about hearing how the wealthy americans are not paying their “fair share” in taxes.  The democrats keeping beating the drumb stating that if is the rich paid their “fair share” we could solve the debt crisis.

We all know that is a bunch of BS.  It would hardy solve anything.  I doubt it would bring in even 80% of the projected revenue.  Anyone who knows anything about economics knows that a static modeling doesn’t work in this case.  Raising taxes by 10% will not bring in an extra 10% of revenue.  The percentage is will bring in depends on things such as elasticity of demand and availability of substitutes.   Raising taxes on gasoline, a every inelastic item, by 10 percent will bring in additional revenue close to that, however it still will not hit the 10% mark, as some people will not purchase/purchase less gasoline.

Secondly, additional tax revenue brought in by a tax increase will also depend on where the current rate is.  The higher the current tax rate is, the less of an increase in revenue will be seen when the tax rate is raised.

So what is the point of all this?  We need to prove to the American people that these claims of raising taxes on the rich and importance of the Buffet rule are not problem solvers.  It may be time to call out the dems and agree to a few things.  Once the problem is not solved, we have better case to America, saying LOOK EVERYONE, these changes did nothing.  The real problem is the runaway spending and entitlement society.  Americans may need to see this before they finally “see the light”

I have 2 suggestions that would certainly gain support from democrats and those who want to soak the rich.

1  – The 1 millionaire rule – Anyone who makes a million dollars or more a year will pay 25% in federal taxes, no if ands or butts.  No deductions, no anything.  Obviously the millionare will still be able to put food on the table.  They won’t be suffering, but other Americans will be as a result of such rule.

2 – Investment income tax rule – You look at someone’s total income. If you make more than 50% of you income through investment income, that that part will not be taxed at 15%, it will be taxed at at the rate of your total income.  The rest of you income will then be taxed at 15%.  For example, lets say someone made 3 millions dollars, 2 million of it was from investment income, and the tax bracket for anyone making over a millions bucks is 30%.  As i understand it, i may be wrong, this individual would pay 15% on the 2 millions dollars, and up to 30% on the additional millions.  the left thinks this is un fair, blah blah blah.  However with this adjustment, since this individual made about 67& of his money thorough investments, the $2 millions would be taxed at up to 30%. while the 1 million would be taxed at 15%.

Both these ideas could surely pass congress and show America that the rich are paying their fare share.  Clearly as we all know, this wont solve the problem we are having. The additional revenue coming in won’t be much at all, and many Americans will suffer because of the lower level of investment & less money circulation in the economy.

The point is, sometimes we need to be shown why something isn’t a good idea, we cant just be told.  When i was a kid, i really wanted to order the blueberry pancakes at the diner.  My dad swore to me that i wouldn’t like them, and they weren’t real blueberries, it was just like a blueberry paste.  He didn’t let me get them. Next time we were at the diner, i again insisted on the pancakes.  He just shook his head and said FINE, get the pancakes.  I got the blueberry pancakes alright.  He was exactly right, they were nasty.  I could barely eat a piece of them.  He sat their with a smile on his face.  He still makes fun of me about those panckaes 20 years later.  But guess what….I had to find out for myself that what i thought i would like turned out terrible……

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  • garfieldjl

    Starting with Turbo Tax Cheat Tim Geitner (sp?).

    Heck then we have General Electric not paying taxes.

    For all they yap about people not paying their “fair share,” they seem to think they don’t have to pay taxes.

    • checkmate2012

      chosen path by all, regardless of party. Flat tax for people and biz is the way to go. See ya garf!

  • sulmak

    No need to intentionally stifle growth, or even cause a recession, to prove a point. That is insanity.

    Also, may I point out, tha people do not pay 15% on investment income, they pay 15% on capital gains, which is, basically(as I too tired to explain right now), what is left after being taxed already at the corporate tax rate. The average overall rate(Capital gains AND corporate tax) on investment income, if I remember correctly, comes out to be within a percentage point or two of the the normal income tax top rate.

    • checkmate2012

      & you explained what I meant by triple taxation, the corporation already paid taxes too, but didn’t want to get in the weeds…glad you pointed that out.

    • gekster

      We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

      • checkmate2012

        by O? Unbelievable…the lies, the lies. And really, how hard is it to defund by the House all the bogus depts…NEA, Shrimp on treadmills, it is so bloated I could scream. Such nonsense. Taxing more on leads to more spending….

        • gekster

          The problem, how many see this tripe and believe it.
          It is sad to say that ‘that’ many are actually that stupid to believe
          that is is true.

      • checkmate2012

        n/t

        • gekster

          /nt/

        • checkmate2012

          so what state do you live in? Just curious and I’m sure you know I’m in TX by now. It’s interesting to see what people write from their perspective and have learned where some are from but not you- I’m a maroon I guess!

          • gekster

            The Peoples Republic of Michigan; but I don’t think so much any more. I lived in texas for awhile, so I understand the mindset.

          • checkmate2012

            Wow, love your state name as you descibe it & wouldn’t have guessed it. Sounds like your moving and yes, TX is a state of mind, except the CA’s are moving in & want to make it in their likeness, less taxes. No smoking, no this and that…sick of it. My little sister has lived in Grand Rapids for 2 yrs but husband lost his job and it’s back to AZ for them. Are ya’ll gonna let Detroit go down in flames or prop it up? Not ya’ll but MI state? You’re always welcome in TX :) even Glen Beck made the move!

          • gekster

            and let it become thier problem.
            And to me, macoroons are sweet cookies, yummy.

          • funwithknives

            Ohio would take us for free. Not even Buckeyes are that goofy.

            But a trade could be worked out. Let’s see, what does Michigan have that Ohio would like?

            Vast numbers of unemployed? No, they got those.

            Lotsa Better Made Potato Chips, Faygo Pop and Saunder’s Hot Fudge? Maybe? Detroit and a VERY large amount of this stuff just might be a winner.
            We’ll throw in some Vernors and call it good……….

            If I’m 5 miles from the border, do I go with the deal?
            I shudder at the thought of being from “Northern O–H–Ten……..”

      • davenj1

        makes decent political sense, but no fiscal sense. Any alleged increase in revenue (doubtful) would just be spent. Nice try, but I am not buying it!!!

    • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

      Boehner should grant Pelosi her request and schedule a vote on a permanent extension of the Bush tax cuts except for millionaires. He should make it clear that this is a one-time offer and the extension has to be permanent–no more one year kicking the can down the road. Enough House Republicans should support and/or abstain to achieve passage and send this over to Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats. Senate Republicans should adopt the same strategy. If the proposal lands on Obama’s desk, then O would either have to back down on raising taxes on people making over $250,000 or veto the bill. At any rate, it takes this chip off the table, since the Democrats’ answer to every issue is “raise taxes on millionaires.” Republicans can say “We did that, now what else have you got?” This would perhaps call out the fact that Dems want to raise taxes on almost everyone. Once we get a new Congress with a Republican majority in the Senate and Romney is elected President, then the Republicans can clean this up and redo the tax code.This ought to be a clean bill; no other provisions and no amendments allowed.

      • thego

        You said it perfectly, It takes the chip off the table. We all know that it wont solve anything, but it takes away their whole arguement. At that point, the dems would have to insist on raising taxes on the rich again or raising taxes on Americans of lesser income. Atleast that will again expose them as tax an spenders.

        I just think its really important to take this tax the rich arguement away from them. And if the economy suffers because of the tax hikes, well then the American people will know whose idea it was……

    • WmCraig

      1. Make it income by the hour. The higher the hourly wage the higher the income. Basically this attacks athletes and hollwood performers.

      2. Repeal the 16th amendment, apportion the debt and let the states manage money anyway they want. This will actually appeal to all states, liberal or conservative and will scare the dickens out of the imperialists in Washington.

      3. Rethink the presidential pay rate. After all, he has a private jet, and army to wait on him, all his expenses are paid. What does he need a bourgeois salary for, let him work for much less, say $35,000.00 per year. Should be enough, after all he is asking everyone to sacrifice. Make all the salaries the same for Congress and the Senate.

      Yes I realize they don’t work together, the point is to challenge the democrats to put up or shut up.

      • norris

        If the state government collected the taxes instead of the fed and sent a portion to Washington to cover the major expenses as they are needed and nothing more the oversight would be much closer. Our Representatives an d Senators should not be paid more than the average wage of their state. Their staff needs to be ten people or less.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

    • btpull

      If you want proof that tax increases do not work.

      The CBO is already predicting the US economy will slide back into a recession because of the expiration of the “Bush” tax cuts and the myriad of tax increases that kick in under Obamacare.

  • Common_Cents

    Every Republican needs to go to media boot camp on how to handle adversary media and call out the reporter/anchor on their BS.

    Then this tax the rich BS would be blown out of the water easily, along with many other Dem lies.

    They set the agenda down these phony roads and we have to battle back(poorly now).

  • checkmate2012

    are in the wrong place, sorry to say. Your #1 idea isn’t bad except I’d prefer a flat tax, not a fair tax for all. 10-15% for everyone, no exceptions or deductions. The gov’t would be swimming in money.

    Idea #2 is misguided. Capital gains is a double-taxation, if not triple, so to tax it at a higher rate when it’s money put into investments that was already taxed as income once is just wrong. Thus the reason why Reps. are failing to explain the Buffet rule in clear terms. I made money, I then invested in stock, real estate, etc., and then made a profit when I sold it therefore I paid the taxes based on income bracket, 28-38%, and now I pay another 15% capital gain tax. Double taxation.

    Lastly, I really do like your pancake example, but our economy is dynamic. So let’s say that business starts booming again, then the Dems will claim it’s due to raising the tax on the wealthy. Not true but they’ll claim it to be so. But as you said, raising taxes will only hurt the economy since the very rich will hide it in other legal ways and still won’t pay the higher rate.

    Heck, even O gave more to charity to offset his tax liability from his book sales!

    Nice try if they could pass it and idea #3 is, all additional tax revenue must go towards reducing the debt-period. Cause the gov’t will waste what they take in.

    Here’s your answer by Thomas Sowell:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/05/23/a_book_for_republicans

  • 6eorge Jetson

    (& S-Corps) to start paying their fair share by sending in an extra 15% to the IRS.