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Don’t be VAT stupid

Don’t be VAT stupid

By Herman Cain
November 21, 2010

There’s one message from the 2010 elections that many so-called policy makers, political elites and analysts did not hear. Namely, the American people are not as uninformed and stupid as they think we are.

President Obama’s Debt Commission and the Bipartisan Policy Center’s Debt Reduction Task Force have both floated its ideas for reducing our nation’s runaway national debt. As CNNMoney.com reports, both sets of ideas echo each other in broad strokes. And both sets of ideas could confuse and confound the leaves off a tree.

These ideas are a long way from becoming law, but they are generating, as intended, much discussion about the merits of each idea.

The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes.

Here are three of the biggest reasons the national retail sales tax is the worst idea on the table.

First, we have a spending problem in Washington, D.C. not a revenue problem. The Commission claims their goal is to reduce the deficits by $4 trillion over the next decade. The task force says its plan would save $6 trillion by 2020. It’s sort of like dueling promises that would never happen, because when has a proposed cut in Washington D.C. ever produced the intended savings over 10 years? Never!

Even worse is reason number two: In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax.

For the liberal naysayers who say that would not happen, you lose! Just look at the Social Security system, Medicare and Medicaid. Over the years since their inception, taxes have gone up, benefits have gone down and they are still on a path of insolvency.

Both the Commission and the Task Force say very little about how costs would be contained, because that’s the real big bodacious problem. Even if their plans could achieve their stated goals over the next 10 years, the current administration and Congress have increased spending nearly $4 trillion in the last two years. And the only hope that it will slow down is the new change of control in the House of Representatives.
Giving the administration and Congress another tool to tax us and confuse us is like giving an alcoholic a key to the liquor store with no supervision, only to discover that he locks the door after he is safely inside.

A national retail sales tax on top of all the confusing and unfair taxes we have today is insane! It gives the out-of-control bureaucrats and politicians in denial one more tool to lie, deceive, manipulate and destroy this country.

The third reason the national retail sales tax on top of all the taxes we already pay is a bad idea, is that there is already proposed legislation that replaces all of the federal taxes we pay. It replaces all current revenue. It supercharges our national economic growth, and puts the power of taxation back into the hands of the people who spend their money.

It’s called the Fair Tax. It’s as easy to understand as ABC!

That’s the problem. It’s fair. It is simple and understandable. But the politicians and bureaucrats do not want to give people more control of their own money. That’s why even though the legislation has been introduced in every session of Congress since 1999, it has not advanced.

People are not stupid. Maybe they will hear us in 2012.

COMMENTS

  • Read Chesterton

    as soon as they see their first overseas H&R Block storefront. When I saw one of these in New Zealand of all places, I realized you can’t hide from the statist onslaught. You have to fight it where you stand.

    • izoneguy

      Remember the luxury tax imposed on yachts and such?
      All it did was put the yacht builders out of business.
      The result? Less taxes collected and more people out of work.

      Even if Obama did an about face and embraced all of the Republicans ideas – I doubt the economy would turn around anytime soon.
      Business does not trust Obama. Period.
      (Except GE, but we are on to their game)

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        as they raise the price of everything, esp incl necessities. They also discourage consumption in a nation that must consume to grow the economy, all of which is necessary given the need for the strongest military on Earth in order to maintain Liberty. The pre-bate is a terrible Big Brother so-called solution to the inflation of necessities. it would have the government micro-managing everyone under $30K.

        more later

        • Jim Tomasik

          I just can’t resist asking you how you ever came up with this notion?

          “it would have the government micro-managing everyone under $30K.”

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            and applying common sense and an aversion to Big Government handing out manna to more and more dependents. Sales taxes are fine when they are low, but not when they have to be high enough to fund a federal government. I also don;t like the idea of the feds being so intimately involved with every business in America and with the hidden nature of VAT.

            VAT, sales, whatever, I think they are the worst kind of tax among admittedly poor options.

            more later if desired, as I have written several columns that detail my aversion and opposition and may do another soon given the holidays and more free time.

            Hurdle #1 that makes it a waste of time to even consider sales/VAT is the necessity to amend the constitution to repeal the 16th in a nation that couldn’t pass an amendment with the super-majorities required, to affirm mom and apple pie, much less baseball and Chevrolet!…smile

    • izoneguy

      Higher Taxes Won’t Reduce the Deficit

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704648604575620502560925156.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

      • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

        Deficits have gone down under higher tax regimes, but only when a major technological innovation overwhelmed the negative impact of the tax hike. (Eg. Google Timothy Berners-Lee)

    • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

      I remember a couple months back Glenn Beck spoke about “going all John Galt” and how he has often wished he could just get up and disappear the way Galt did in Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged. But then he said that the one big difference between Rand’s fantasy world and reality is that in fact there is no hidden valley where we can go to get away from the madness.

      So you are right on point with your comment, we have to fight for freedom where we stand, here in the U.S. Although perhaps some states are worth allowing to fail for the greater benefit of the country overall, if for no other reason than to demonstrate the insanity of liberal policies.

      Anyway, with modern media I believe that conservatives are well positioned to win because when our message is heard, it is heeded.

  • Finrod

    I’ve been a big fan of the FairTax for a while now. I think that it needs to be passed with a rider that says unless the Sixteenth Amendment is repealed within say 3 years of implementation of the FairTax, that the FairTax is then repealed– that would make sure that we couldn’t have the FairTax and the income tax both active.

  • Tbone

    but things do change, I guess.

    PFFFT!

    • http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

      except for a book tour and a presidential bid, what exactly has changed?

      As you say, pffft.

  • fedsocdan

    I had been a staunch “Flat-taxer” for years. Funny enough, it was Europe’s embrace of the system that actually caused me to rethink my position.

    Among the many things that sealed the deal for me was the realization that countless companies form across the globe would relocate to the U.S. should the FairTax be implemented. Bye bye unemployment.

    I firmly believe the FairTax is the key to eradicating poverty in our society; there’s no question in my mind.

    Now if someone could come up with a video game to get kids interested in the FairTax, we could make some real progress.

    -Cain/Pence 2012

  • acat

    Just about any tax change is an improvement over the current mess, and the FAIR tax, as outlined at Mr. Cain’s link, may be just what we need. Not a huge fan as I’d rather see Fed taxes collected indirectly, from the States – and let each State figure out how to collect – but this would be a good step.

    Simple to explain, infrastructure to implement already in place, and all that. (just about every retail outfit already collects taxes, eh?)

    I can support this, and I do hope it sees the light of day in the next couple years.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    Lowering taxes actually increases tax revenue

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    Specifically, marginal rate reductions can increase receipts (especially for high earners), because the money that would go to the government gets invested and grows the tax base.

    A lot of cuts reduce receipts, though. Tax credits, especially those used for social engineering (e.g. a credit for a green car), tend not to lead to increased investment, but reward a behavior. This cost has to be covered by someone else’s productivity.

  • boxedquad

    Perhaps the flat tax or VAT would do some good, IF: the tax code is reduced to zip., no deductions. period. no exemptions for anything.

    The Rate Then may be smaller than any thing presented..

    Of Course that is stupid… no one will vote to pay tax for themselves or family… look out congress… you are a target. Everyone is watching.

    Move elections to December and take office in January, shut down the government at the end of November. no lame duck sessions, we no longer need November to January for horse drawn carts to get to DC.

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    . . . as it is often (effectively) mocked as nonsensical by critics. Also, it is an incorrect argument without additional explanation. Honestly, unless you explain the Laffer Curve and acknowledge that there is an optimal tax rate to maximize government revenue, it is easy for uninformed (“independent”) voters to dismiss the proposition out of hand.

    When you use this line you ALWAYS should explain the theory behind it because it isn’t one of those one-liners that “works” automatically . . .

  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679
  • Bill S

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  • Scope

    and right from the horses mouth, so to speak.

    I am going to link this diary everywhere I can.

  • Jim Tomasik

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