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By: theobnoxiousamerican (Diary)  |  August 21st, 2012 at 03:05 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Akin’s comments were foolish and bad for the country’s chances of unseating Obama in November. Let’s not double down on the mistake.

Look, I get it. Abortion is wrong, not just because it’s murder, which it most certainly is, but also because it’s a clear infringement on the life of the unborn child. Got it. Message received. Fully understood. But it’s time to also understand that what Todd Akin said is not only vile, repugnant, disgusting, but also completely and factually untrue. And misguided. And most importantly, it will be used by the Democrats from here until November 6, and with great effect, unless this bonehead leaves the race immediately, as in now.

After four years of Obama, and with the glut of laws, executive orders, regulations, and so on, we should be united in the concept of small government conservatism. Limited government. Less laws. Abortion is settled law. It may suck, it may be wrong, but simply passing more laws on this or other social issues won’t stop it from happening. And not only is it extremely doubtful that any new laws on the subject would ever stand an ice cube’s chance in hell of passing, but equally, the push for those laws would result in an even smaller GOP minority.

There is one way, and one way only to reduce abortion in America, and that is via a major cultural change, a return to classic, American, judeo-christian-based family values. The minority party can’t change the culture, and a party with a shrinking minority changes the culture even less. We’ve seen the cultural impact a mere 4 years of Obama and his policies have had on our country. Another four, and the fact that abortion is legal will be the very least of our problems.

And at the end of the day, that’s what this is about. We can sit here and whine about how unfair it all is, and it most certainly is unfair that the Vice President can say all manner of things with minimal coverage, meanwhile some unknown candidate from MO can be used to shift a national race. But so what? Do we want to win? Do we want to wake up on November 7th, with another four years of Obama hanging over our heads? That’s what’s at stake here. One need only consider one question – does support for Akin, or excusing of his comments help us in this goal, or not? The answer is clearly, not.

If we want to stand any chance to kick Obama out of the White House in November, something that in my view is crucial to the very survival of this country, and something that is hardly guarunteed by any stretch, then it’s time to stay focused. And to shut up about the stuff that really doesn’t matter this time around.

If you’re one of the voters who helped to elect Akin in the primary, or if you sympathize with his comments, or feel we should all just get over it because he was somehow taken out of context and apologized, then I’m talking to you. Shut up. Shut up shutting up even. Now. You’re part of the problem right now, because you’re playing directly into the Democrats hands – Democrats who actually ran $1.3 million in ads to help get Akin to win the primary mind you. Sure, within your limited circle, this all sounds like speaking truth to power. To the masses at large, the very same whom we need to win in November, this sounds like kooky ultra-rightist insanity. And the Democrats understand this for all it’s worth.

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  • liberty17

    impaired his ability to be taken seriously. His comments were ignorant and false. I do believe that he is sorry.I hate the double standard, but there is no way he can win after this. I wish it were not this way, but it is.

    • thethinman

      Just roll over and give up – that’s your take. My take is that people who roll over and give up – they take all the Republicans and put them in the same box – because that is PRECISELY what the Republicans in Congress have been doing – rolling over and giving up. they don’t fight back – they let Harry Reid and his Socialist Democrats roll right over them – you don’t hear a squeak – nor a squeal – out of them. Just mumbling over in their corner. Are they there just to take home a paycheck? Is that what we elected them for. How is it that Obama tramps around the country pushing his socialist fascist agenda – and Congress wallows in the mire of their own self centered aggrandizement? Why isn’t Mitch McConnell going around the country pushing an economic agenda, or even the weepy wimpy John Boehner? those are supposed to be the Republican “leaders” in Congress – where are they? Where is your OWN congressman or senator – are they twirling around on their thumbs in the Capitol building? Why aren’t they here (or there at your place) whipping up the Conservatives to push? Why is just on the internet sites that there is any conversation – and that to the choir – about what needs to be done?

      If there is an ACORN – why isn’t there a HICKORY?

    • Lucas Black

      Right now, I consider Todd Akin is acting in a most unchristian manner. There is no question he will never sit in the US Senate. The only question is, how much damage will he do to the pro-life cause before he understands that.
      At least he has the excuse of being so emotionally involved in his sin of Pride. I don’t know what excuse people like Huck and Tony Perkins have. If he doesn’t drop out, I hope they are all made to pay a very steep price.

      • demsaresatanic

        a completely hysterical and worthless post.

        • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

          “stupid”.

        • Lucas Black

          I use that word deliberately. Not just for his sinful pride, but for the shocking lack of understanding and empathy he showed to victims of rape in his initial interview. And he still seems to think that he only made a mistake with one word, when the whole suggestion that rape victims don’t get pregnant was even more offensive. I consider that he is acting in a most unchristian manner and I pray he gains wisdom and understanding because he clearly isn’t there yet.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    I’m sorry, but I’m calling BS on this:

    “There is one way, and one way only to reduce abortion in America, and that is via a major cultural change, a return to classic, American, judeo-christian-based family values. The minority party can

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      As I see it, many of the GOP leaders and pundits not only stood by and refused to defend the pro life position, but they also used the abortion issue for their own political gain to get a nominee of their own choosing. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how that plays out, but at this point, they can either get on board and try to help “rehabilitate” Akin (isn’t that the phrase they all like to use?) or sit by and do nothing so they can absolve themselves by blaming Akin and others like pro lifers, tea partiers or whatever group they want to damage if we lose the seat.

      The saddest part to me is the exposure of so-called pro lifers who apparently have no problem justifying abortion for rape victims.

    • westcoastpatriette

      and isn’t it interesting that we are all women — you, Melody and myself — and we are all dismayed at the overreaction inside the party.

      I am still a bit stunned at the reaction I am seeing and I fail to see how anyone is behaving honorably. The GOP is fueling the left’s ploy to paint us as backward rubes who want to stick women back in the kitchen for good by reacting to Akin’s poorly worded blunder with such hysteria. As if we have to prove to everyone that we care about women who have been raped.

      This all makes me question the motives of those in the GOP who are demanding Akin withdraw. I am just ashamed at how they have attacked Akin publicly rather than speaking to him privately and accepting the fact that the decision to withdraw belongs to him and him alone. They could have just as easily turned this around to clarify the pro-life position in a positive manner, but instead, they cannibalize one of our own and reenforce the left’s view that a woman should not be “forced” to give birth to a child conceived by rape. Really stupid public overreaction in my view.

      • runner12

        disagree :( .

        There was no way to defend or “spin” Akin’s comments. When I first heard them, I wanted to vomit it was so offensive to me as a woman. I have no problem with his views on abortion, in fact I agree with them. But instead of standing on his beliefs, he tried to justify himself to the media. In doing so, he used the most offensive language possible and faulty science to boot. I am sorry, but the tone and language he used almost sounded dismissive of rape. That was probably not his intention, but it is how it came across.

        To make matters worse, he has put himself ahead of the interests of the country in staying in. He has proven himself to care more about power than principles. I encourage you to listen to Levin’s take on this. He states it better than I can.

        • westcoastpatriette

          partly because my interpretation of all of this is based on listening to the reaction from others rather than judging what was said and how it was said. Quite frankly, I have been very busy and have not taken a huge interest in this nor did Akin’s initial comments really offend me. He mangled his thoughts up but I really do not think he meant them as they came out and are being interpreted. And I think the GOP missed an opportunity to reenforce their support for life in the womb — which is the bottom line and what Akin was trying to support.

          This just shows how different we all are. And I’m sure our friendship is strong enough to withstand a true disagreement. :)

          • westcoastpatriette

            and when Erick came out with his diary yesterday morning insisting Akin step down by the end of the day, I had a flashback. It reminded me of when he did the same thing to Perry and I was really upset with Erick when he did that. Simply could not see the urgency for such a demand.

            And I think some of my reactions are a reflection of my naivete re: politics. I am just out of sync sometimes because I do not see the big picture and it seems like we are all guilty of treacherous behavior when we feel justified to throw someone from our own party under the bus for “the greater good.” Is that really how we want to act? Seems more like the conduct of the left. Self-serving and self-righteous.

            Oh, well. Time to move on for another day.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Here, in full view, are Akin’s comments:

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          • Joshua Persons

            no text

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Sure, you’re right. But so what. The point of this article is that merely standing with Todd Akin, and equally, making this election about social issues, won’t help get Obama fired.

            Anyone that seeks to take the focus off of Obama’s horrid job managing the economy is doing one thing – helping Obama get re-elected. Do you and others really not see that?

          • Joshua Persons

            You put forward the false dichotomy of “stand[ing] for pro-life” vs “Obama [] shown the door”. But I accept your walkback.

          • PowerToThePeople

            doing the right thing or in other words, standing in the gap for the unborn, is always more important that political battles.

            The thing is, we can do both. So how about you find some dummies to lecture as we do not buy into your crap.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            I’m hardly the only one who sees this for what it is. If you think I’m wrong, then you think Mark Levin is wrong. And Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh, and Mitt Romney, and so on.

            Obviously, you want us to lose this election while “standing in for the gap of the unborn” – smart theory. When Obama wins another four years, and succeeds in getting even more Americans on the government dole, we’ll see how much less your message resonates with American voters needed to win elections in 2016 (hint: even less than it does today).

            Only a fool would stand behind Akin’s comments, only a silly fool would want to make this the issue we “stand for” in 2012.

          • PowerToThePeople

            Mitt Romney, and so on are not my God. I live by his rules, not your or theirs. Politics are important to me, winning is important to me, but they become unimportant when they begin to interfere with what God tells me to do.

            Sorry you are unable to muster any convictions in your life.

          • smagar

            If the Democrats keep the Senate, there will be no meaningful check on Obamacare, much less repeal. There will be no meaningful advances in pro-life legislation.

            On this imperfect, sinful earth of ours, we have to do the best we can, when we can, with the tools we have in our hands and the situations we find ourselves in.

            ONE seat in the Senate can make all the difference.

            Is standing on principle, and Speaking Truth To Power, really worth the sacrifice? Really worth the long-term costs we and our families will have to pay? Costs to our pocketbooks, plus costs incurred by lasting damage caused to our society by Democratic Party policies gone unchecked and laws unrepealed?

          • PowerToThePeople

            It was made very clear that politics is not important to God during Christ time on earth. So it can not be more important to us than doing what is right or standing up for what is right.

            And let us not play games shall we, Akin will win, but even if he does not, let us not act as if that seat will cost us the Senate nor will it cost us the Presidential election.

            Quite frankly, tired of hearing the whole sky is falling crap. The way you and others are acting, one would think Akin said he wanted to stick the Mexicans on the back of the bus. You and the rest of the gang need to move on, he is in the race, and we have a president to beat.

          • http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/holders_revenge.html John T. Bennett

            Akin is a tool of pro-abortion politicians. That’s why Democrats pumped millions into his campaign.

            Akin has brought disrepute upon the pro-life movement that will take some time to repair. Don’t you realize that there are many conservative candidates who could step in and be pro-life?
            You seem to be operating under the false assumption that only Todd Akin can carry the pro-life banner.

            Before Akin’s remark, there was a debate about abortion ongoing in the country. After Akin’s remark, the debate is still going, only now there is new distrust and suspicion that wasn’t there before.

            Akin has just made it much harder to be pro-life.
            Supporting Akin does nothing to advance the pro-life cause, and it would be great to hear an explanation as to why you think Akin is good for the pro-life movement.

          • PowerToThePeople

            you decide to be a self trumpeting fly by night poster on one of my comments, you ask if I care about your nonsense.

            I am so tired of idiots like you who try to proclaim the sky is falling, Akin has ruined it all, and act as if he demanded man/boy love be made legal just for him because Christ said it was OK.

            Now go back to the self trumpeting on your profile page, maybe someone else will think it gives you a leg up on the debate.

          • emptybucket

            n/t

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Yes, Akin shows a remarkable deficiency in knowledge of human reproduction but McCaskill shows a remarkable lack of decency in her support of abortion.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            But what’s your point – should we cut our noses to spite our face? Anyone can defeat McCaskill in MO. But supporting Akin regardless of his comments, could cost us the white house.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Romney will just say “I said the remarks were inexcusable and encouraged Akin to resign, Mr. President when asked about the disgusting charges from Stephanie Cutter you continued to employ her and when Bill Burton said to CNN that it was a fact I can cause cancer death, you didn’t call for his resignation. When Joe Biden made a reprehensible illusion to slavery, you didn’t rebuke him. Meanwhile 23 million Americans remain out of work and 45 million Americans require food stamps to feed their families. Eye on the ball, Mr. President.”

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            I don’t overstate Akin’s importance, I understand the Mass Media’s influence on average voters.

            You seem to think that the average voter is going to listen to a paragraph and a half statement from Romney, when the news, all news, from the penny saver to the NY Times will be carrying the message that the GOP doesn’t like women who are raped.

            If you really think this can all be resolved with a statement from Romney, you’re sadly and deeply deluded. This is politics, not debate class. Politics are dirty. Go ask George Allen, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin and a whole horde of others who have been dissed and dismissed by the MSM whether this can all be settled by some snarky comment in some debate somewhere.

          • lineholder

            What you are suggesting is that we should retreat into a total wall of silence and let the MSM and the left dictate the narrative.

            For crying out loud, that’s part of what got us to where we are now!!!

            It isn’t any wonder that the general public lost confidence in Conservatives because the ever-loving’ constant fear of what the MSM will say has kept our side from standing up for what we know to be right…for what we believe in…for what we can visualize as this nation’s future…

            And when we start standing up, what happens? Lo, and behold, we actually find people more receptive to what we have to say!

            You aren’t hearing what people are saying to you, obnoxious. We agree with you that the situation Akin shouldn’t be blown out of proportion any more than it has been.

            So stop blowing it out proportion already, okay??

          • demsaresatanic

            has

          • acat

            Sperm Rejection in Human Females, [1993] R. Baker & M. Bellis, University of Manchester.

            Akin has a point… But.

            Akin failed UTTERLY not in having a point but in defending it when it counted.

            That is why I now think, despite him being maybe biologically correct, he needs to go.

            Mew

          • demsaresatanic

            hundreds of peer-reviewed articles on the subject, and I would venture to say that almost all of them confirm it.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            but I thought Eberhard’s study was with spiders and I have seen I think where frogs can select sex (and ducks because I think the uterus has more than one tube and the female can force the male into a path to nowhere) but has there been a study that concluded this was possible in humans? The only study I have seen said the only selection in humans is rejection based on likelihood of getting pregnant. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said in refuting Akin’s statement “to suggest otherwise contradicts basic scientific truths”.

            This comes from someone who doesn’t believe in abortion, period.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Has anyone told the women who were raped and impregnated as part of ethnic cleansing about these studies?

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I honestly don’t. Akin is the nominee. He was chosen by the voters of Missouri to be the nominee. The country would be better served by his election than Clair Bear’s. Nearly, everyone has said his remarks were at best impolitic but they can’t be shoved back in his mouth. He is the nominee; he has my support for as long as that is the case. He was also right on abortion and inline with his party’s platform, FWIW.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I really don’t want to fight fellow conservatives who agree with me that abortions in all cases are wrong. To brighten everyone’s day, Mitt Romney actually said this today: “President Obama, bless his heart, has tried to substitute government for free people, and it has not worked.

          • JSobieski

            Why respond to my comment if you aren’t going to be responsive.

            Heck I am not defending Atkin in any way—I just don’t see any options

          • whoframedrudy

            “You

          • runner12

            We can agree to disagree on this one.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            Our disagreements are of the respectful variety. I know we’re on the same side.

    • theobnoxiousamerican

      Before abortion was legal, it was illegal, and still practiced. This is a fact. And now it IS legal. The cat’s out of the bag. It cannot be put back in magically by making abortion illegal again. The culture has changed since Roe V Wade, and unless we change the culture, there will always be people looking for abortion.

      • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

        But I think he would have been screaming louder than anyone because we have thrown Akin under the bus for two stupid sentences. What the heck is that???

        He spent the last years of his life fighting against the double standard that lets the Dems get away with endless gaffes, ignorant statements and crude, racist remarks. When one of our candidates utters a single offensive peep, no amount of self-flagellation – short of total capitulation…er….resignation – is enough. It’s one and done on our side. Why is that double standard acceptable? The left is still doing this to us and we are allowing it.

        Make no mistake. The only reason we are demanding his resignation is because we are afraid the “narrative” will hurt the rest of the ticket. The “narrative” that the left will spin. We were not supposed to be letting them get away with this anymore and in this case, we quickly and obediently rolled over and played dead. It’s not even about Akin. It’s about the principal of the thing.

        • runner12

          While I am certain Breitbart would be loudly pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left on this one and their feigned self-righteousness. He would also take Akin to task severely, as he violated one of Breitbart’s rules in his book stating to “never pretend more than you know.”

          Akin tried to be the smartest guy in the room when going up against a Lefty media interviewer instead of simply stating bis beliefs. It was an utter fail because Akin was so uninformed and because of arrogance, foolishness, mispeak, or whatever he made an insulting statement to boot.

          In this critical election, every GOP candidate must be able to go up against the Lefty media machine and either win or come to a draw. If they cannot do it, they should drop out. Which is what Akin should do.

          • thethinman

            Cowards give up – and that’s what most Republicans are – cowards. They also have NO control over the agenda that the Democrats set for them. they have no agenda of their own – except the opposite of the Democrats – whether it’s good or bad. Why do Republicans continue to pander to their enemies – the main stream media? Sometimes it’s best to just say NO. And so often – Republicans are their own worst enemy – take Anne Coulter or the fat guy that is owned by Fox – lessons on how to just make things worse.

            Yes, Cowards – not guts or gumption – which is why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are the Republican “leaders” in Congress – rather than Rand Paul or Michelle Bachmann

          • commonsenseobserver

            And there is still a chance for a write-in campaign.

            And, seriously, Michele Bachmann as Speaker? I’d rather stick with Boehner…

          • demsaresatanic

            not the ones I know anyway, but certainly the elitist RNC Rovian types who are so terrified of the leftist media that they rush to meet and exceed them in vitriol against Akin. It is no surprise that so many great potential conservative candidates wouldn

    • thethinman

      Kill of the ‘native’ American citizens and replace them with Mexican peasants – and we don’t care how they get here – legally or illegally.

    • Lucas Black

      Rep. Akin is guilty of saying things that are NOT true – which is that rape victims don’t get pregnant. That’s what got him in trouble. Even though I support a rape exemption for abortion, I respect those who feel otherwise. But that wasn’t the position he described on the weekend and that’s why he’s a write-off. He was the one who walked into a trap – the rest of the party is just trying to get out of it.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and I’ve had just about enough of this subject today, so I’ll stop there before I say something I’ll regret. Bless your heart.

    • theobnoxiousamerican

      But the dems are just getting started. That’s the issue.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    For all you who want to debate with me about my views on abortion, I’d ask you to instead take a look at the main news websites out there. Yes, they are all MSM, which means they have a left wing bias. They are all using this to bash us, and scare voters:

    Front Page of Politico:
    http://www.politico.com/
    “Ryan pressed on Rape Exemption”
    “Can Mitt Romney survive Akin Plank”
    “Akin source was Romney surrogate”

    Front Page of CNN:
    “Opinion: Raped, pregnant, not over it”
    “LZ: Wake up, it’s not just Akin”

    USA Today
    “Obama team capitalizes on Akin’s comments”
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-team-capitalizes-on-akins-comments/1#.UDTjYqmPUdU

    Google News lead story:
    “Akin’s comments reignite war on women”
    http://news.google.com/

    Wikipedia has even gotten in on it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Akin_rape_and_pregnancy_controversy

    This is an election, it’s not an expression of morals nor is it a showcase for what we stand for. In 2008, Obama won the presidency by being vague and the MTV generation ate it up. Now you want to run on a side issue that is as divisive as they come. If we lose the election, then what we stand for doesn’t stand a chance. Wake up.

    • lineholder

      nothing more and nothing less. We become nothing more than additional metric of the American population who is willing to settle for an attitude that the “end justifies the means”, indirectly supporting what is by far one of the most hideous forms of murder every known in the existence of mankind.

      Most of us know what the MSM is saying. And many of us also realize that this has gotten blown entirely out of proportion. On your basic point that we should all calm down and stop drawing excessive attention to the Akin situation…you’re correct. That is our wisest option.

      On the idea that we should compromise everything we stand for in the process, say nothing, do nothing…forget it, that’s not happening.

      • theobnoxiousamerican

        Who is saying that we sacrifice anything? Clearly you didn’t read my article. I’m not telling you to give up your beliefs, and no one else is suggesting the same.

        We’re saying, be smart, don’t fall into the democrat’s trap, because that is what this is.

        Voters, by and large are idiots, present company excluded. While you and I may disagree on this specific point, we’ve all spent considerable time thinking about the issues, which is more than can be said for 90% of the voters out there. Unfortunately, the 10% of us can’t win this election on our own.

        As a result, we have to mute this conversation, or better yet, shut up shutting up, and keep the focus on Obama’s terrible job managing this economy. Not on contraception. Not on gay marriage. not on abortion or the varying legitimacies surrounding rape (?!?!). This election is about one thing: Obama’s been terrible for America and we need Romney to bail us out of it.

        • lineholder

          I’ll fight tooth and nail for this country, but shut up on what is right? Not a chance.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Because you won’t have the comfort of a new president if you want to make this election about Abortion when we’re facing 8.3% unemployment.

          • JSobieski

            You are telling people who care about the pro-life cause to literally “shut up” on their issue.

            Abortion is an issue in every election, but it is not THE issue.

            Circular firing squads start because one side tells the other shut up.

            The only comments or diaries that should be shouted down are those comments/diaries telling people to shut up.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            That’s exactly what I’m saying. And for good reason. In fact, the reasons cited in the article.

            Personally speaking, my main issue is the 2nd amendment, as well as lower taxes and smaller government. Guess what – I don’t expect Romney to run on a pro-gun platform, but rather to stick to the issues that matter this time around – the economy and jobs. Why? Because as much as I care about our 2nd amendment rights, I also realize that my position on this issue scares some would be romney voters.

            We all need to shut up about the “issues that matter” and focus on the failures of Obama. That’s what Romney’s trying to do and folks here are stepping on that message with their side issues. To our collective detriment.

          • JSobieski

            I think we kind of agree, except that we can’t merely focus on Obama’s failures—we need to be the party of solutions.

            it just so happens that there is no apparent solution for the Akins fiasco.

          • streiff

            socially conservative issues are where we retain at least a 10 point advantage over the Dems and we are told to shut up and fight on social security and medicare where it is a toss up at best.

          • aesthete

            This is the mistake that many activists make:

            1) Assuming that a generalized sentiment translates to support for specifics, extremes, and the consistencies (or lack thereof) that activists have reasoned or emoted themselves to.

            2) Believing that those who support an activist’s issue support it with the same level of intensity as the activist.

            The 10-point advantage that you allude to vis a vis abortion is not extant when you’re talking about abortions during the first trimester, for example — and is not an intensely held conviction at any rate.

            At any rate, I would like to find the imagined conservatives advocating for a fight on Social Security and Medicaid on the grounds of political expediency. I would simply point out that, while absolutely none of the sturm und drang surrounding gays and abortion affects anything at the federal level, modifying SS/Medicaid/Medicare dramatically impacts federal government spending, the economic situation, and healthcare and pensions.

            The practical difference between a pro-choicer who supports returning abortion to the states, and a no-exceptions pro-lifer at the federal level is zero. The practical difference between a Republican who wants to reform entitlements and the trajectory of government spending, and one who does not, is monumental.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Thanks for the informed comments.

          • garfieldjl

            And stop letting the left get away with lieing about what is really going on.

            Whenever the left starts trying to misrepresent something, call them out on it. Don’t cower under your bed afraid of the MSM, I say enough is enough!

          • fightnright

            The human – or spiritual – discrimination of the wrongness of taking a life cannot be temporarily negated or wished away by individual accident or misfortune. Turning one’s back on Divine Laws (or if you prefer, to natural law like the wrongness of murdering the innocent) can never invalidate the primary, eternal reality of those laws, no matter how our own human desires may wish to twist them to our own wills for some preferred outcome.

            *Once we can discriminate right from wrong, we are spiritually and intellectually responsible for our choices*. Trying to hide behind pages of rationalization, or pretending that you can abandon principles on a case-by-case basis to satisfy personal desires will not help us. Even the noblest of intentions does not leave us unaccountable for the good or evil of all of our choices, including the taking the life of an innocent conceived through rape. The consequential damage to any soul – and to any human mind – remain, and must be faced and reconciled eventually.

            Many of us are modeling our political beliefs on abortion, liberty and independence, the sacredness of the individual and its self-direction, etc., because of our understanding of a Divine or natural law that will not be mocked, regardless of our motivation. Therefore if we sacrifice our principles, we can not win the war. Some are perceiving that we can win this battle, but because of many on the right’s understanding of what is true and real and lasting, we realize that that must be a temporary conquest.

            For many of us, the path and the goal *are* one and the same. Many of us here believe that the purpose of our journey here is not to force others to take the same path, it is to become the path itself, ultimately uniting God/the Knower and the Known . For those of us who believe this, the end goal is realized in a spiritual state, not an intellectual or physical one. If only twenty percent of us can survive with our spiritual/political values intact, we keep the true road map alive in the world, and avoid creating a false map via a makeshift solution, with everyone blindly following an illusory detour.

            I’ve given classes in comparative spirituality, so if anyone reading is not a Christian or does not have a belief in a formal western spiritual religious tradition, I think I can re-frame into another vocabulary what other redstaters are trying to tell theobnoxiousamerican here. They don’t mind if you mess with your own eternal karma. Please just don’t ask them to mess with their own.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            You’re obviously an intelligent fellow. As such, you realize that most do not share your level of intellect. Am I wrong?

            Most intelligent people are already conservatives. Elections aren’t about values or spiritualism, they are about winning. You can be the most spiritual, and strident believer, but if your guy loses, then so does your cause.

            If anything I’m asking people who believe strongly about Abortion to hush up, precisely so their views can prevail. This point should be obvious but I guess it isn’t.

          • fightnright

            that is plain in your second paragraph.

            As far as ‘levels of intellect’, I believe that most redstaters easily share my level of intellect, and many here, if not the majority, go far beyond it.

            I will ask you to please reread my final point, summarized in my last two sentences. Most redstaters won’t need to.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            I read the last two paras, and even comprehend them, thank you very much. I still think, in fact, know, you’re wrong. It’s fine if you want this to be some sort of journey, but that’s not how elections are won in America. If 2008 proved anything, it proved that issues matter less than perception.

            This election is about perception. Prior to Akin’s comments, the perception Dems were setting was that Romney was so out of touch he had a car elevator and offshore accounts. Now they can add that he’s linked to a man who thinks there are legitimate and non-legit types of rape. That’s what we’re dealing with.

            Fine, go about your business, espouse your views, run on the issues. That’s what McCain did in 2008, to great effect.

          • fightnright

            In my response to you, I wrote only what I saw as truth. (It’s often big ‘e’ personal Ego, not spirit, btw, that makes one think that certain truths are insulting).

            Your posts show evidence of completely misunderstanding the definition of spirituality and the rigors of the spiritual path. The journey demands tremendous strength and courage. While altruistic love is necessary as a reflection of our unity in God, there is no place for the sentimental fantasies of New Agers, who tend to materialize spirituality (‘love is all you need’; ‘I create my own reality’).

            The path of any authentic tradition is no cakewalk for the weak-willed or the feeble-minded. An analogy claims that it is easier to kill thousands in battle than to overcome the desires of (lower) self. Look to the Christ if you’re seeking the epitome of fortitude and resolution, even when faced with the greatest adversary.

            Second, you say “I still think, in fact, know, you

          • streiff

            it is also counterfactual

            I appreciate the fact that you are an intellectual leader in the conservative movement and get the icky feeling when talking about abortion and gay marriage. But our abortion position is a winner.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Show me some stats that this is what voters care about in 2012. Here’s Rasmussen’s poll, hardly a liberally slanted view:

            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/importance_of_issues

            I don’t even see abortion on the list.

          • streiff

            Read the graph I sent you.

            Look I’m really tired of your asshat scthick. You haven’t been here long enough for anyone to take you seriously. Nothing you’ve written in convincing. And you are uniformly acting like a jerk.

            Unlike the other folks on this thread, I have the ability to solve all those problems with two mouse clicks. So either tone your act down and start being polite and considerate of others or I will vaporize you.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            It proves nothing. So more people are pro-life – I already knew that. It doesn’t say how many feel rape victims shouldn’t get abortions if they decide and I bet those numbers are quite lower.

            You don’t like debating me because I did prove that in terms of what voters care about, abortion isn’t it. Refute the Rasmusson poll.

          • streiff

            how about I refute you?

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            threatening to vaporize me, and I’m the “asshat”? I’m acting like a jerk? I haven’t been here long enough? (I’ve been posting here for years).

            Go ahead and “vaporize” me if it makes you feel better, but it certainly won’t make you any more right.

          • streiff

            your entire argument is just bluster. It is only valid if one accepts your premises and utterly ignores Reagan’s decision in 1980 to force the GOP platform committee to include an pro-life plank and every election since then. In every election that is run on social issues we win. How many states have approved gay marriage by referendum? Zero.

            So if I decide to punt you it will be because you don’t know what you are talking about, you are a bully, and not even amusing in the process.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Exactly where did I bully anyone? Where was I rude? Ok, so I said Shut Up in my title, it was a flourish. I’ve responded factually, passionately throughout.

            There is a difference between passionate disagreement, and being rude. Please point out where I’ve been the latter.

            I think making threats and throwing around your awesome power to delete posts is rude. I think people trying to put words in my mouth is a bit rude (I’ve never told anyone to stop holding their views, but rather to stop making hay about it in an election that we can win on economics, but WILL lose if it’s about abortion).

          • streiff

            You are a typical blog comments bully. I’m surprised you aren’t posting “First” or “I’d hit it” in the comment sections.

            I don’t answer to you. It is my job to keep the comments under control. I’ve done that for nearly eight years. The fact that you think I’m rude might be of interest to you but that is probably the end of it. I know I’ve been called worse by people a lot smarter than you and I’m still here and they aren’t.

            So if you want to be a member of this community, tone down your “passionate” responses. If that is too much of a price to pay, I’m fine with that, too.

          • Common_Cents

            Republicans fall for it and fall on their swords once again.

            This thing was blew up out of proportion by the propaganda media, just like macaca moments.

            If we don’t do anything about the propaganda media, we’ll continue to have to be perfect, while the demoncrats get all kinds of cover, and their gaffes and terrible polices/records get ignored.

            Some lib FB friends commented on how this is all over the media everywhere! well DUH????

            The propaganda MSM votes DEM what? 80-90% or more?

            What stories do you think they’ll run ad nauseum?

            Then like good idiots we all fall for it and make unforced errors sacrificing another one of our own?

            When does the left EVER do this? Why? because they don’t have to, they get the cover of the propaganda media setting the topic agenda.

            Yet we do nothing about severing the DEMS achilles heel, the media. Not a word about discussing a strategic plan by our stupid party leadership.

          • Common_Cents

            I never hear any leadership or conservative gurus talk about this, other than just complain about media bias.

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Akins comments were wrong and offensive. They make the entire GOP look foolish (granted, because of the media bias you speak of). Akin isn’t one of our own if he’s speaking such nonsense, and I wouldn’t be surprised if liberals paid him to do what he did.

          • Common_Cents

            But you never hear about them in the MSM.

            It’s not the remarks you see, as they’ll come from both parties continuously.

            The discussion should be about we counter and disarm the propaganda media focusing on REP remarks only.

            They set the agenda. We fall for it.

            Look at how many diaries and comments are about Akin on RS? and everywhere else? the propaganda media succeeded again.

          • Ausonius

            DrudgeReport already has articles about the Dems readying ads e.g. “Romney, Ryan, Akin and the GOP WRONG for Women, WRONG for America.”

            The Dems are ready to smear Romney and Ryan and all Republicans for and with Akin’s thoughtless blurt. And they will do it, and they will be successful in the short term, and have already been successful in the short term, as Common Cents mentions above.

            And what about the Economy? MAObamaCare? Iran?

            Instead, we are talking about a malapropism: “legitimate rape.”

          • Common_Cents

            How stupid can they be??

            Publicly stating Akin should step down? really? all the propaganda media jumps on that stuff to perpetuate the story. And does anything think coming out public will quash any propaganda media bashing?

            Heck no!

            Is Gingrich the only notable Republican who recognizes the outright war the propaganda media has waged on Republicans and conservatives????

          • acat

            …why can’t Akin recognize it?

            Seems to me that’s one of the hallmarks that indicates he’s a dim bulb, promoted well over his depth.

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            Shall we make a list of all the dim bulb R’s in DC?

            We are making the problem worse. The key to good diplomacy is to allow the other side to save face. This was handled poorly all the way around.

          • Common_Cents

            Republicans remind me of the keystone cops in these situations, allowing the media to set the topic agenda, and running around in circles looking dumb.

            Looks like Charlie Brown will let Lucy hold the football, once again.

          • http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/holders_revenge.html John T. Bennett

            The circular firing squad is where the good guys shoot themselves while trying to shoot the bad guy. So Akin supporters are admitting that Akin is a bad guy.

            The problem with a circular firing squad is that the shooters hurt each other (unintended), while shooting the bad guy (intended).

            The firing squad is actually lined up and facing the bad guy. Romney, Coulter, Levin, the 5 Senators from MO, the Tea Party Express, Ryan, Brown, Rush- they are all lined up right next to each other. They are not shooting at each other or at conservatives. So your circular firing squad analogy is totally misplaced.

            No one is making a mistake by criticizing Akin. He is toxic. He is a laughing stock. He is now losing by 10% to a bad candidate.
            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate

            If we let Akin stick around, we’re pointing a gun at our heads.

          • acat

            I was one of the anti-bedwetters when this first broke.

            Akin’s response – which served only to clarify his dim-bulb nature – has made this worse.

            I see no evidence that he has a clue about how to make this go away, and .. at this point, that’s the point.

            The statement is no longer material, it’s the lack of a *politically* workable reply from an alleged *politician*.

            He had is chance. That time is past. At this point, he’s just delaying the inevitable. I hope he doesn’t drag it out until November.

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            Lots of DC politicians bow out of elections and take jobs in the pseudo-private sector.

            What enticed the Torch? Weiner? The former governor of NY? The ability to run in the future—that is what enticed them.

            All three were talked to BEHIND the scenes.

            Akins isn’t the only dim bulb on our side. There are ways of doing something productive, and Sean Hannity’s radio show wasn’t it.

          • acat

            Here we are.

            How do we either change this dim bulb or firewall off the MO-SEN race?

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            We can’t make Akin step down.

            We can try to persuade him to abandon his efforts have a write in campaign for someone with an easy name, like Bond.

            However, we don’t have a consensus replacement lined up and we don’t have Akin’s withdrawal.

            So your “water is wet, but so what” logic applies just as much to your position as it does mine.

            If the guy didn’t step down before, I don’t think he will do so now. In any case, the PUBLIC actions requesting that he step down should stop. Enhance the PRIVATE actions if you want, but from the sound of things—the primary efforts are public, and that is both self defeating and stupid.

            Why people want dirtly laundry handled in public is beyond me. There are ways to handle these things, but it seems that our side insists on consistently doing it the wrong way.

            Dim bulb thinking if you ask me.

          • acat

            has been done, as I understand it.

            Party representatives, other Senators, Ryan, etc. have met with, or tried to meet with Akin, and have either been rebuffed outright, or have met with “no” as an answer.

            I repeat the second part of my question. How do we firewall MO off from the rest of the Silly Season? (recognizing up front that the mainly seditious media aren’t gonna let it go …)

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            Private diplomacy is structured to create a way of saving face. The public communications on this point effectively negated the possibility of a reasonable private solutions.

            How do you firewall an embarassment? By distancing yourself and changing the subject to something more substantive.

            If the MSM were omnipotent—we would never win an election any time or any place. They aren’t.

            Akins hit a meme that had little behind it, and Akins strengthened it somewhat. He is not a threat to Romney, he is only a threat to control of the Senate and our options there aren’t great given the passing of the deadline.

          • Common_Cents

            this is the larger point.

            This issue should have NEVER been blown up the way it has on its own merit.

            It’s a dumb comment, but has been overblown.

            We continually are “forced” to take out our own dim bulbs that get plastered on to the rest of the party anyway.

            SEEEE We TOLD you Republicans are terrible people! Akin is proof!

            the bigger picture that Republicans fail to recognize is the propaganda media is setting the agenda putting us in a lose lose situation and we do nothing about it.

          • acat

            What does “changing the media” look like?

            Further, since we are all supposedly adults here, we all know that the media will pull this .. they’ve done so as long as I can remember. Akin surely had to know this as well, eh?

            I was prepared to let Akin ride this out until, instead of going into some sort of clarify/fight mode, he went into hunker-down mode, which is exactly the *wrong* reaction.

            I wonder what one of the people who had been working to change the media, Andrew Breitbart, would suggest Akin do .. perhaps appear in a Duke Lacrosse jersey….

            There is no war on dim bulbs, there is a single bulb who had a chance, but at this point *through his own actions* he has become a liability.

            Mew

          • Common_Cents

            Well first things first, take the first step.

            We must admit/recognize there is a problem, yet we can’t even do that!

            Yet, we sit there and offer ourselves one by one up to media to get slaughtered? Charlie Brown letting Lucy holding the ball thousands of times?

            Gingrich did it in the debates and was left largely to hang out to dry with little support.

            There is no hint of talk of no discussion of no plan of action to counteract the propaganda media.

            Let’s first admit it is a huge problem and thus a HUGE opportunity. Then the leadership should be exploring ways to counteract the propaganda media. There are only a handful on our side who do it effectively.

            The media is the key for DEMS. It is their achilles heal. Much time should be devoted to combating this problem.

            We continually bail out the boat and never think about talking about discussing possible ways to plug the leak.

            Once in awhile we get lucky like the chick fil a fiasco that largely blew up in the propaganda media’s face. But most of the time we are net LOSERS by media bias. We ignore the fact that what, 80-90% of the MSM votes DEM????

            We cannot ignore this anymore. The anchor around our neck is really taking its toll. REP’s have to be nearly perfect people and run perfect races, just to compete. That has to change and the key/opportunity is attacking the DEMS defenses/achilles heel, namely the Dem propaganda media.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            no text

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            Cite some examples, in context please.

            You’re the one name calling. Making threats. I’m no bully, you just disagree with me and can’t handle that I can capably defend my positions, which is why your only recourse is to threaten my ability to post further.

            You want to make this about me? Fine – I really don’t care what you do, how you feel about me, my posts, or whatever. Do whatever it is you feel you need to do. I’m not changing who I am. You should be ashamed for the way you posted here.

          • Bill S

            Heed his warning or get lost.

          • Aaron Gardner

            n/t

          • Jack_Savage

            Pity

          • theobnoxiousamerican

            I’m desperate to fit in at an art gallery? Suicide by cop? Get lost?

            I’m really bowled over by the comments here. I have read all of my comments here, and while I may have strong views, no more so than anyone else who posted here, and I was hardly rude. Sorry I suggested we should all distance ourselves from Akin’s reprehensible comments – a sentiment that virtually every respected right wing commentator has echoed in the last few days.

            Oh, I know, it was the manner in which I expressed myself, I guess next time I should just abandon the facts, and instead acquiesce when streiff posts a peripherally linked gallup survey to mean that Akin’s toxic comments are no big deal. Is that it?

            Debate is not rude, but threatening people (vaporize you), putting words in people’s mouths (Fiirst, I’d hit it) or ascribing actions to them (trying to fit in at an art gallery) IS rude. It’s very disheartening to find this type of response here. I’d expect it in a politico or Huffpo chat room, not a forum among conservatives. I can only hope you folks here are in the extreme minority (and based on my travails, it certainly seems that among conservatives, you are), otherwise, we’re likely going to lose in November.

          • streiff

            you missed a great opportunity to shut up.

            I was willing to ignore your intemperate response. But doubling down has convinced me that there is a certain class of people who confuse patience with weakness. Apparently, I’ve just found one of them.

            You don’t have a clue as to how to debate and you can’t even accurately describe what your own ill-thought-out screed was about.

            I’m though,. So are you.

          • Jack_Savage

            Really, I was. Because I think it sums it all up.

          • renny

            this issue, the longer it will linger and be devastating and devisive.

            The MSM will continue as long as they can, but if we are not alway s responding, they will have dead air to play to.

            The CBO said today we are financially on the way to deep recession next year. Let’s prevent that by electing R&R and not let the MSM set our agenda to win the election.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            We have zero control over how long the issue stays ‘in play’.

            The New York Times ran 31 days of front page Abu Graib stories in a row in 2004. Things that the liberal media wants to talk about GETS TALKED ABOUT.

            “but if we are not alway s responding, they will have dead air to play to.”
            Not at all. If running against Akin is the best thing Team Obama has, that’s the ball they and the lib-media will run with. As long as Akin is a candidate, they will use him, and if our side is silent, it just gives them a monopoly on the conversation.

            Until Akin quits.

          • smagar

            You were saying a lot of things that made sense, and pointing out some harsh realities to people on these boards who are just fine with Speaking Truth To Power, while Democrats play the system and actually HOLD power.

            Unfortunately, you forgot the First Rule of Redstate: The moderator is always right. Even when he’s wrong, he’s still the moderator.

            Hopefully you are unbanned soon.

          • jakeofalltrades

            Please change something.

          • smagar

            I found obnoxious’ comments to be a breath of fresh air.

            He did err, however, when the moderators told him to tone it down.

          • Jack_Savage

            According to your standards, Jesus lost. According to your standards, he should have negotiated with the devil in the desert, and given the Pharisees a break to advance his cause.

            No thanks.

          • Jack_Savage

            Think about it, and get back to us one day. Because this is how seriously the subject is taken, and why polls don’t matter.

          • emptybucket

            have incredibly strong spiritual views regarding abortion. Huckabee and mast Conservative support was able to turn that Chic Fil A boycott around, too bad we can’t turn this Akin thing around. But how? Things are so far out of kilter 2 days later. Still the topic of conversation on RS.

            I like your sentence about if only 20% of us can hold on to our beliefs/values …in the political world that is a hard order.

          • emptybucket

            about this entire mess.

          • fightnright

            and yes, these are very-very tough, very emotional political days

            :(

          • emptybucket

            for Conservatives. Am waiting for Biden’s next gaff and if the GOP doesn’t make hay with it I just may get on a bus and go pound a few heads against the wall at Romney headquarters. Just kidding, I couldn’t do that but thinking about it does sometimes help with the tense.

          • fightnright

            aren’t we both located, IIRC, in the Jersey tri/state area? I’ve worked at many from NYC (Guiliani’s HQ’s during the Lazio campaign) to Paramus in the GW Bush years.

            just look for the other conservative grandma who can be found pounding heads, eating Advil, and drinking beer mugs of Rescue Remedy…

            :)

  • JSobieski

    Sorry, but that seemed like the most natural response to the diary. Telling people to shut up is never a good idea, and in this context your diary does nothing to put out the fire—and it does everything to expand it.

    It is the FIGHT between you and the people that you are telling to shut up that the left wants to facilitate—and you are marching according to their tune.

    Akin is a boob—-and DC is filled with many such inarticulate spokes people. There have been plenty of Senators who said things far worse than what Akin said.

    He is not the end of the world. Although the words “legitimate rape” should almost never be used as a phrase, there are worse phrases (“I raped children” comes to mind).

    This entire fiasco shows why everyone should be more precise in their use of language—including people who write on blogs like RedState.

    • theobnoxiousamerican

      There are commenters on here saying they agreed with Akin’s comments. That’s not on me. And you’re right, if Obama wins on the back of social issues, because idiots like Akin and his enablers put those issues on the front burner, it won’t be the end of the world. But it might be the end of America.

      You can blame me for my diary “expanding the fire” – but look in the mirror – the responses to my diary prove why I needed to write it – some Republicans agree with him, some defend him. Some are going so far to say that we should put this issue front and center.

      Politics is a slimy game. Obama won by being vague and cool, and the MTV generation voted for him.. It’s these same voters coming to the polls in november, and you want to try and change the culture before then? Fat chance. If we lose in November it will be because of those who disagree with me, and hardly because I’ve done anything to expand the fire.

      • JSobieski

        Akins himself backed away from his own comments.

        You are doing everything you can to bring more and more attention to it. Human stupidity is hardly a news flash.

        Both sides need to chill out. If you can’t see that—you are part of the problem.

        P.S. If you have a pathway to get another R in there, write a diary. If not, I would suggest that diaries based on “you people out there shut up, let me talk” aren’t going to be persuasive to your cause.

        • theobnoxiousamerican

          The best pathway to get another R in there is for all of us to unite against Akin and his comments. If no one supports him, then he might get the message. However, in this thread, listening to Rush yesterday,and in other comment forums I’ve come across, it seems there is a beligerant and ignorant group that still supports this guy and his message. And thus he still feels like he has a chance to win.

          We start by rejecting the guy, and his comments. Once he gets the message, we get another R in there. Its simple stuff really.

  • dbecraft

    As an older resident (time passes – a few years ago) and conservative (much unlike much of the previous residents, lots of RINO’s, so to speak – seems that Conservatives are more in vogue these days), I have no illusions about Akin. He is a product of the older generation (which I can understand) and made statements, silly yes, but truthful to him. Why should all of you be so determined to be rid of him? Only because of the political possibilities (oh yes, save the Senate). All of you should be ashamed about throwing a fellow under the bus for the same reasons that the Democrats throw their enemies under the bus.

    I always though that our bus was much less accommodating to our fellow men…much to my dismay. Seems that we have become just like our opposition – win at all costs. Maybe that is why I have been absent for the last few years (well, not maybe)!

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      I don’t believe truth is subjective.

      • dbecraft

        Been a long time … I don’t exactly disagree with you with that statement, but his subjective statements were arguable. I do think that most was a product of his age…

        Nice to see that you are still here and fighting for the Conservative cause.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          I’ll tell you my view though: Everyone needs to move on.

          He could have quit. He didn’t quit. He’s the candidate. Let’s move on. If you don’t think he can win, great, back another Senate candidate. Someone like Lingle or Mandel or someone else who can flip the balance of power.

          If you think he can win, give, and quit trying to berate people who won’t.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            no text

          • acat

            He’s the guy. Fine. He’s gonna cost the GOP nationwide.

            How do we minimize that?

            Mew

          • garfieldjl

            We can start with the nurse’s testimony that found that boy alive in a janitor’s closet and held him until he finally died, and how Obama was perfectly okay with it.

            Regardless of how much you want to argue about women’s rights, the child was not in the womb, the question is whether or not it is okay to essentially murder a child simply because they have a trait that is considered “undesirable.”

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Bain, tax returns, Cayman Islands, that bless their hearts the MSM and David Axelrod told voters they were supposed to care about but they don’t. I have actually found in the last year, as much contempt that the “professionals” seem to have for them, the voters have been the adults in the room..

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Walk a precinct.

            Just go get it done for a candidate.

            That’s all you can do.

          • dbecraft

            I respect your view (and most here would agree)! I will that the alternate view though (no respect required). Me, I am really tired of it all!

            I’m very tired of politics, MSM tearing down Republican politicians, and as such, am tired of Republicans tearing down their own.

            Yes, he made mistakes, maybe has out dated beliefs, but really, is he so bad that you and others should pile on?

            Obviously, no is the answer… It all boils down to politics both here and almost everywhere else. Nobody takes individual personality, honesty, or any other personal trait into account. It’s all about winning!

            That is what is making politics so disgusting!

            So… while I understand and appreciate your statements, I really am tired of it all… It will matter little who wins anymore – both parties are so corrupt that it matters little!

          • Bill S

            …..

          • texasref

            nt

          • dbecraft

            I’ve realized just what a bore I must be… I would like you to tell me why Akin is such a problem? Please details!

            What are his beliefs that are causing you problems? Is it what he said or what he meant? Please expand your answers.

            I want some definitive answers here, no platitudes.

          • dbecraft

            This was meant to ACAT… Seem to be inexperienced again…

          • acat

            You’re right, I am disgusted .. but in my case it’s with those who refuse to see that the problem isn’t what Akin *believes*, it’s that he’s *bad* at his *job*!

            Mew

          • dbecraft

            Believe what you will, I am too old and too tired to argue with you about politics! You can be as disgusted as you wish, but your opinion is just that. Don’t forget to change the litter.

          • dbecraft

            I

          • acat

            When Akin initially gaffed, I said to give hom some time, to let him defend and persuade people that his views have a rational explanation.

            Instead of even trying that, he conducted a pathetic Hannity performance, and now has gone into hiding!

            These aren’t the actions of someone who has the political chops for the job.

            Mew

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      ” silly yes, but truthful to him. Why should all of you be so determined to be rid of him?”

      Because politicians who believe silly false things have no business legislating over us, and his statement was so inexcusably ignorant there are enough voters who will not go near voting for him. He lost 20 points of support over this, and he wont get that back because he cant take it back. (“truthful to him” is actually condemning him, because if he merely slipped and didnt ‘mean it’ it would be less offensive than actually believing what he implied.)

      So he’s unelectable.

      “All of you should be ashamed about throwing a fellow under the bus ”

      Not at all. Akin put himself there with his comment. A man who believes what he said is

      This is about quality control. This is about adhereing to our principles by ensuring those who represent us do so in a way that ADVANCES our principles rather than tarnish them. Akin has tarnished conservatives, Republicans and the prolife movement with his comment.

      There were 3 candidates on the GOP side for the Republican nomination. Can anyone honeslty say right now that Akin is the best of the three to represent the party? If he’s not the best, why not GET THE BEST instead?

      Some have ‘given up’ on the Missouri seat, and it is a lost cause if Akin stays, but I believe Akin still has time to come to his senses and withdraw honorably. If he doesnt, his career his toast and the seat is lost.

      “I always though that our bus was much less accommodating to our fellow men”
      We need to accomodate the needs and the desires of the Republicans of Missouri and around the country who will be denied the oppty for representation when McCaskill defeats Akin. We may be denied oppty to overturn Obamacare because of this.

      Akin should care more about the cause than his pride. It would be selfish, unethical and wrong to see an opportunity to take this country back and NOT do it. So who is throwing who under the bus? I see Akin’s pride as throwing those of us who want Obamacare repealed ‘under the bus’ – we will be the losers as well.

      • dbecraft
        • dbecraft

          Ah yes, nice of you to make that decision. Actually, it seems that the decision was made by the Republican Party, and enforced by people like you.

          Actually should have added made by the MSM, the Republican Party, and folks like you…

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  • theobnoxiousamerican

    “The saddest part to me is the exposure of so-called pro lifers who apparently have no problem justifying abortion for rape victims.”

    I have no problem justifying it. Look, I agree that Abortion is wrong. But Rape is pretty wrong too. I think that it’s equally wrong to expect a woman who has been raped to carry the result of that rape for 9 months, to term,. even if they don’t want to.

    This is quite clearly a grey area, and good people can agree to disagree on this point. But equally, it’s hardly as black and white as you seem to suggest it is. In fact, plenty in the GOP agree with me, and are hardly “so-called pro lifers.” We can debate the theory of this but you’d be the heartless one to expect that this is as cut and dry as you make it for the actual victims who fall into this category.

    Moreover, you’d be a fool to let such an issue, which affects a fraction of a fraction of a percent of all abortions, change the course of such a crucial national election that if lost, could change our lives and those of our children and generations to come.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Further, there is no gray area when it comes to the murder of an innocent baby. The location and size of the person does not make him or her any less than the rest of us, and neither does the method of conception. The very fact that you have to “justify” it should indicate to you that something’s wrong. What I call heartless is compounding a violent crime (rape) with the murder of the innocent. Women, as horrible as it is, have survived rape. Babies don’t survive abortion.

    Abortion is a life and death matter to the millions of unborn babies who are butchered every year, including those who are pulled halfway out of the womb and then have their brains sucked out. Ugly, isn’t it? That’s what the Democrats support, and it most certainly should be an issue.

    I’ve been very vocal on other issues, including the economy, the debt, spending and fiscal sanity, but you really should go read Aaron Gardner’s diary before deciding that a small percentage of those conceived in rape don’t matter.

  • lineholder

    We have to be realistic in acknowledging that the left is using the issue of abortion to encourage a mentality that undermines the value of life and instills a mindset of choosing death over life.

    They are also utilizing the issue for the purpose of gaining greater power and control over our society as a whole.

    We can acknowledge the reality of a woman’s choice, but we should be encouraging a choice of life over death, regardless of the circumstances. If we don’t, then we leave an open door for the left to use and exploit!

  • thethinman

    Murdering unborn children for any reason other than the life of the mother or the health and well being of a child that is malformed and will have no life outside the womb is wrong.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    Ask yourself this: If Obama wins re-election, will your cause be helped or hurt?

    That’s the entire point here. You’re arguing with me about my views on a social issue, one that reflects an incredibly tiny minority of all abortions. As such, you’ve played directly into the Democrats hands, and have given them ammunition to use against us to sway all of those independents to boot, who you can be sure, are scared out of their wits by your views.

    I’m not passing judgement on your views. I agree that you have a point, I just disagree with that point from a visceral, and vengful point of view – if the lady in my life was raped, I certainly would NOT want her to be forced to carry it to term. In fact, I’d want the both of us to put the event behind us, not pay for it’s college tuition. Am I heartless for feeling this way, perhaps, but so friggin what? All of this is besides the point right now.

    The issue you fail to realize is that by taking this stand, you’re helping Obama get re-elected. And in fact, that’s what is already happening. Since Akin’s comments, the GOP’s chances of taking the white house and reversing the damage that has been done these last few years has been reduced. Nice job taking a stand. All of the unborn babies that will now get aborted thanks to your tax dollars going to Obamacare thank you very much as well.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    You’re right – the left is trying to use this issue to do all the things you mention, as well as to scare the masses into voting for them.. Not sure if you read my article because this was my point as well.

    The issue that many of you fail to realize is, we won’t win this election by making it about abortion, and we certainly won’t win by making it about abortion for rape victims. And in either case, Akin’s comments reflected neither – he literally questioned whether some rapes are legitimate or not.

    If you really think that by backing up akin, and taking the Democrat bait to make abortion an issue to stand for in 2012, when the rest of the country cares about jobs and taxes, then we already have lost this election. Four more years.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    besides tell people to shut up and point the finger and place blame. GOTV? Voter registration drives? Donations? Door knocking? Are you going to a swing state to help with the campaign on the ground? Anything? If so, good for you. I’ve done the same and more on my own time and with my own money in an effort to elect conservatives around the country.

    As for your last line, that’s the kind of sucker punch I’d expect from someone who equates life with tuition.

  • lineholder

    Go back to your own comments, obnoxious.

    “The minority party can’t change the culture, and a shrinking minority changes the culture even less”.

    Really? Has the left been a minority party in our culture? Have they managed to change the culture in our society?

    You’re wrong. And what your comments imply is that we shouldn’t even try. THAT is what I find offensive.

    I don’t advocate the methodologies that the left has used to manipulate our culture in a certain direction. But when it comes to determination and perseverance, ours should greater by far than any they possess because we stand on the ground of what is right!

  • smagar

    In 2008, Catholic church leaders made it clear that President Obama was the most anti-life presidential candidate EVER.

    The American people responded by NOT ONLY electing him, but also electing a filibuster-proof Senate. (The Senate confirms federal judges).

    Either the American voters are woefully ignorant or just didn’t care enough about the abortion issue.

    More than 50% of self-identified Catholic voters voted for Obama in 2008, If they were paying attention at all, they must have known what their church leadership was saying. Did it influence their vote?

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    With all due respect, you’re completely wrong. The left currently controls the White house, the Senate, and even, it seems, the judiciary. They own the mainstream media. They control education. They control Hollywood. They run all of the major urban centers in this country. Even when Bush was president, the left was the majority. But now they are actually a majority in one house of congress and obviously the executive branch.

    And using their control of all of these institutions, they’ve managed to change the culture. We haven’t, and I can guarantee you that we will not if we make the Akin Plank our unified position.

  • lineholder

    All of what you have mentioned…that’s part of their methodology.

    I don’t know where you’ve been, but on the issue of abortion on demand, this nation is still much more the right of center than the left would have people to believe it is. What’s more, we have a younger generation coming up behind us who trend pro-life.

    Another factor is that we don’t change population demographics soon and get’s some babies born in this country, it will economically implode within two generations.

    There’s a fine line on the subject, and I don’t disagree with you on that point. But failing to follow through now would have much greater and more severe long-term consequences than many of us have taken seriously so far.

  • tngal

    There is one man in his own race against a competitor. You act as if his words the other day are going to cost us the house, sentate presidency, and effectively strike down what few remaining sc justices that we can count on. Or, by taking Akin out we magically gain control of everything.

    This one man is not that powerful. He isn’t. And he’s not going to be the only candidate this time out who says something that angers a voting bloc. Do you plan on having the next candidate who says something you don’t approve of, being removed.

    And the stupid cries from pundits, to “the establishment”, to everybody in between telling him to get out is really getting old. These were the sames ones that cherry picked our choice for presidential candidate last time and this time too, come to think of it.

    I don’t like being told who to vote for. Let his voters make up their own minds.

    As a female, I had no problem with his rape comments, nor his stand against abortion. I am more concerned about a politician’s namby-pamby stand on illegal immigration. I also recognize there are women and men who don’t agree with me. Whether on rape, abortion, immigration, or a whole host of other issues.

    This was one man on one issue. Its up to the voters in his state. If he loses he loses. There are other cadidates and other seats to fret over.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    But you’re not focused on winning.

    Do you really think that getting out the GOP vote is all that we need to win? Hate to break it to you but the GOP electorate is already mobilized and united in wanting to take Obama out. The problem isn’t GOP votes, it’s the idiots in the center who won’t make up their minds till the last minute. It’s these voters that we need if we expect to win in November, and these voters are scared by the ideas expressed by Akin.

    And my last comment wasn’t a “sucker punch” – it’s realitry – we lose in November then that’s exactly what will happen. Do you want Obama to win re-election? Then continue to stand by Akin and defend him., and attack other Republicans who are on your side but may disagree on specific elements of your platform.

    It’s time to get our heads in the game guys. Obama is the incumbent, which means he is heavily favored as it is, and is ahead in just about every statewide and national poll. We have an electorate that often cares more about the candidates hair then his platform.. Let’s stay focused on Obama’s failures, not prop up an idiot from MO who questions whether some rapes are legit or not.

  • smagar

    The Democrats have put policies in place that, on their own, will funnel tax dollars to abortion. Someone needs to get hold of the levers of power in Washington and CHANGE those policies.

    No GOP Senate, no change. It’s as simple as that.

    obnoxiousamerican is pointing out the very real, undeniable result of NOT taking the Senate back.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    “But failing to follow through now would have much greater and more severe long-term consequences than many of us have taken seriously so far.”

    What exactly do you mean by “following through now”?

  • halger

    You know that Romney picked Ryan to forestall a rebellion on his right.

    This crisis will either give him an excuse to move hard left, because of the “need” to distance himself from Akin or, if conservatives don’t permit that, he can be made to commit to conservative issues so strongly and publicly he won’t be able to abandon them as soon as he’s in the White House.

    Romney’s feet need to be held to the fire.

  • lineholder

    Obnoxious, most of the polls out there are grossly biased. They’re bogus. You can go check them out yourself. The average being displayed at RCP…bogus.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and his words will make or break the Romney campaign, then you are a bigger dummy than your posts show you to be.

    You are not nearly as smart as you think you are and the condescending attitude is not impressive.

  • JSobieski

    (1) stop talking about this
    (2) articulate a path forward for someone other than Akin to win the Missouri Senate seat.

    Telling people on your own side to shut up because the resulting fight is helping the other side is a laughable course of action because you are helping the create the problem you want to avoid.

    Akin didn’t remove himself. There is little we can do about it at this point. If you want to win, focus on winning . .. and less on beating up others in the grand coalition.

    Sometimes the best move is to do nothing.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    Go and read the work of Sean Trende, Jay Cost, all republicans who study these polls. Sure, some are way off, but not all, and the fact is, these guys don’t see this election as a shoe in by any means. And neither should you.

  • lineholder

    The trending demographics are that we won’t have enough workers to support this nation’s debt within two generations, obnoxious. And that isn’t because of a lack of jobs. It’s because of a decrease in population.

    We do need to encourage a pro-life mindset, not just for moral or social reasons but for economic reasons as well.

    The left isn’t the majority. They have big platforms, sure, but in the context of population, they have 20% max. That’s it.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    Democrats have about another 20%. Independents have about 10-15% and they go either way.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    Front Page of Politico:
    http://www.politico.com/

  • lineholder

    The entire scenario is getting so redundantly ridiculous that it is a farce. And arguing between ourselves isn’t helping matters any.

    I’m out of this. I wasn’t going to get into it to begin with, and if it hadn’t been for the obnoxious taking jabs at people, I would have stayed out of it, too.

    It is gaining us nothing. Absolutely nothing.

  • tngal

    Your politico, your cnn, your USA today you cited elsewhere are going to create a firestorm. Just like the republicans created a firestorm over Biden’s comments.

    They harangue us when one of ours does something silly, and we let fly how stupid they are when one of theirs does something appalling.

    They throw fruits and vegetables over our wall, we counter by lobbing barnyard animals back at them.

    Its only been a couple of days. Currently our candidates are getting peppered with rape/abortion questions. But the good ones know how to answer effectively and how to turn the subect back onto the economy, debt or whatever issue suits them.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    You do realize, millions view this site. Some of them are even voters.

  • lineholder

    Then write about this….

    http://theweek.com/article/index/229851/countdown-to-taxmageddon

    I believe that you mean well, but we need to let the subject of Akin dissipate a bit. You believe that our best chance of winning this election is through a focus on economics? So do I.

    So, take the subject and run with it. Put an alternative to Akin fracas out there to be discussed.

  • JSobieski

    is to stop making distinctions based on race.

    The same logic applies to the Akins uproar.

    Circular firing squads are not a path to victory. Akins already left the barn. What is the point to any of this?

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    I’ve written plenty of articles on economics. It’s funny, you really seem to think that this fracas is my fault, and somehow if I write about something else, the Akin story will ‘dissapate’? Meanwhile, you’re the one suggesting that we “follow through” on this (no explanation of what you mean by that in real terms).

    I could disappear into the ether for ever, and Akin will still be a story that dominates the press from here till the end of the election, thanks to Akin and his enablers.

  • JSobieski

    I don’t think so. If there is an alternative to vote for, tell us who. Otherwise, talking about Akin is pointless.

    What I see is a diary magnifying attention on him and starting fights with people on your own side.

    I have spent enough time arguing with the social conservatives on this site to have most of them distrust me (I have been labelled a libertine-libertarian numerous times).

    Your approach on this issue is an inartful as Akin’s was. Neither one of you appears to understand the basic logic of “stop digging”.

  • lineholder

    filled with fear of the MSM and the left. Let it dictate your actions.

    Don’t take the opportunity right in front of you to support what you yourself have said is likely to be the winning issue in this election.

    I know you’ve written on the subject before, obnoxious. If I didn’t know, I wouldn’t be asking you to consider it.

    I can do health care and social issue, but anything I’ve done in an economic context comes off pretty weak.

    It’s a good article, good info. And you’d be helping all of us get back on track.

  • JSobieski

    OF COURSE you are doing this.

    Polls are like daily temperature data—individual polls don’t matter.

    More importantly, what is your Akins solution?

    Who is the alternative?

    What is the pathway for that alternative?

    Otherwise, all you are doing is spitting in the face of people on your side. Akins isn’t the only buffoon on our side.

  • JSobieski

    How is telling people to shut up going to do that?

    Akins happened, and he didn’t resign.

    A leader says, lets huddle up and find a pathway to make it work.

    A detriment says “you shut up”.

    Be a leader, or if you can’t do that—stop being a detriment.

    Pissing off pro-lifers is no solution to anything. Without pro-lifers, the number of volunteers for a campaign will fit into a phone booth.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    First, of COURSE akin’s comments could take down Romney. That’s obvious. I get that you think I’m condescending, but that doesn’t make me wrong. Romney is DOWN in the polls, even in polls that Republicans like.

    His candidacy is a fragile thing right now, and the last thing we need is to give the other side ammunition.

    Which takes me to Jsobieski – If you think that the whole way to avoid giving the other side ammo is for me to stop talking about it, you’re nuts. My comments to fellow republicans isn’t the problem. Akin’s comments are, and they have legs.

    Had I never posted about this, all of the MSM would still be bleating about it. The fact that so many here would be so willing to defend Akin’s position spells serious trouble for the GOP come November.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    And so should you be. They are pervasive. And it doesn’t take much to color everyone’s view of the candidate. Again, just think about “Read My Lips” or Herman Cain, or Sarah Palin. The MSM weilds a ton of sway, and we have to be smart about this.

    Don’t worry, I’ll be writing articles about economics too, for sure. But we all need to stand united against Akin and his comments.

    Jsobieski – when I wrote this article, it was before the deadline for akin to get out. In either case, it’s clear many still support him, which baffles the mind, and hurts our cause. Not my bad for recognizing that.

  • lineholder

    The fact that people who are staunchly pro-life have responded in the way that they have to your diary doesn’t necessarily mean that we support Akin. You’re making a correlation there that doesn’t necessarily hold true, and then reading more into than is necessary, thus feeding into the continuation of a incident that for all intents and purposes doesn’t gain us anything to focus on right now.

  • JSobieski

    As you can see, there are now additional “shut up” diaries here on Red State. Social conservatives fighting fi-cons is exactly what Obama wants.

    Productive team building?

    Pragmatic strategizing?

    Detrimental circular firing squad?

    Unless you have a practical solution for the Akins candidacy, Akins is a pointless topic.

  • lineholder

    I have to go to work. I don’t know how to get the point across to obnoxious that placing further emphasis on this is hurting more than it helps. Good luck with that.

  • demsaresatanic

    you are making sense in spite of those

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    So many here are caught up on my rhetorical flourishes. It’s really not about that. This article is about the politics, versus the policy. Believe what you want. I agree with abortion being wrong as was clear from the first paragraph. Where we differ is on whether this is a winning political platform. I don’t happen to believe it is. In fact, I know it isn’t.

    Worse, our mere active agreement with the principle of the thing hurts us, and one need only look at the coverage these last two days, where the GOP is on the defense as a result of Akin, to see that this is true.

  • Viet71

    He wins or loses on his own, and that’s fine with him.

    It means “shutting up” about Akin but holding to one’s principles.

    It’s the only realistic course of action for non-Missouri Republicans — at this point.

  • demsaresatanic

    they merely put blood in the water for the Drat scum media.
    In my view the correct response is to hit back with Obama on partial birth every time the rats bring it up, and say that Akin is a matter for Missouri to decide.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    But they are not. The nationals will make this an issue. As far as the eye can see.

  • theobnoxiousamerican

    Yes, let’s hold his feet to the fire, because it’s not like the deck is already stacked against a romney win. Right?

  • beach91

    The guy said something stupid. Can we not move on from it? Are we single issue voters now with the issue being this guy said a stupid thing? We would have to fire all of Congress for that!

    Your continual posts are keeping this alive and you have become “..part of the coverage..” The guy said a dumb thing and appears to not be stepping aside. I do not think this will impact the bigger picture of Romney/Ryan like your MSM line of thought.

    Do all of us a favor; Turn off the TV and Chill. Let’s move on!

  • demsaresatanic

    national media.

  • JSobieski

    You use the phrase “shut up” multiple times and then complain when people react to your “flourish”? All of this in the name of HELPING the GOP in November???????

    No offense, but you might want to consider playing consultant for the other team…. you and your Jedi Master of communications Atkins

  • http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/holders_revenge.html John T. Bennett

    We can’t move on from the horrible prospect of losing a Senate seat. Moving on is impossible. We have a toxic dump in our midst named Todd Akin. If we ignore him, he will just poison us. If we ignore stories about him, he will continue to poison us. This problem is not going away.

    This is about more than Todd Akin, this is about overturning Obamacare and putting our country back together. Akin is now losing by 10% points:
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate

  • tnguy

    Akin withdraws, a write in candidate will lose, probably badly. He stays in, he will probably lose. It really doesn’t matter.

    Not sure why the weak-kneed among us are so concerned about this. Few candidates have ever had as target-rich of an environment as Romney has now. This is only a drag on Romney if he lets it be.

    So what if obama and the democrats try to use it against Romney and other candidates? Ooooh Romney’s insenstive to women’s issues because some guy most people have heard of made some comments about rape!!! Gasp!! Hasn’t stopped the Obama campaign from rubbing elbows with Franken, as the WS pointed out today. You all realize, they’re going to find some quote to use, and if they don’t have one they like, they’ll fabricate one by taking something totally out of context?

    The best thing republicans and Romney can do re: this issue is totally ignore it. There’s going to be 50 media firestorms between now and election day.

  • acat

    Further, the ballots haven’t been printed yet, so it is possible Akin could still recognize his incompetence, withdraw, and have his name removed, obviating the need for a write-in.

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    A guy named

    Generic Republican

    could beat McCaskill, and would run 10-15 points ahead of what Akin will get, who will lose by 5-10 points minimum.

    If Akin drops out, you can replace him, and there are no ‘write in’ issues.

  • halger

    All he has to do is run a conservative populist campaign against Obama, Wall Street, and Romney. Run on conservative values and principle. Stand for the values of hard-working Missourians and for a better future for Main Street businesses. Run against plutocrats and Wall Street.

  • halger

    prevent Romney from veering left.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    You expect Akin to do the impossible by running against the guy who will win Missouri and heads his own party ticket and attack ‘plutocrats’ in the same way that leftists are doing with their 1% class warfare, running in a way that is at odds with his 20 year history as a legislator.

    Brilliant.

    Acting that erraticly will make him lose by 30 points instead of 10 points.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Lieberman and Murkowski got primaried by the party’s base, then ran for election as independents or write in. The other party figuring they were a better alternative than the opposing bases’ choice defected to them in droves and a coalition formed with the moderates who were still loyal. I can’t see a large defection of McCaskill’s base to combine with the 1/4 that are disgusted with both Akin and McCaskill that you would need.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYa0jpGFUeY