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Ethnic Politics and Conservatism

The recently released Mount Vernon Statement is an attempt to formulate a common vision for what conservatism in the 21st century means.  It isn’t the definitive statement by any means, but a catalyst for further discussion, as this excellent diary makes clear.

There is, however, a topic on which Mount Vernon Statement – as well as any other conservative-focused statement of principles – is completely silent: What is the proper role, if any, of racial and ethnic identity within conservatism?

I believe this is an important question for conservatives to answer.  The Left has successfully branded conservatism as a racist, whites-only movement – despite such characterization being patently false.  The recent example of the Dallas Tea Party’s devastating response to Keith Olbermann is just one example:

But despite the success of the Dallas Tea Party in pointing out the hypocrisy of Olbermann and his fellow travelers, fact remains that the traditional conservative response – that we are all Americans, and that we as a society need to be “color-blind” – is inadequate.  That it ought to be adequate is besides the point; the world is as we find it, not as we wish it to be.

The “content of their character” line of thinking is entirely too vulnerable to (a) the natural human urge to be proud of who they are, and (b) prevailing social theories about institutional racism and the like.  Again, it doesn’t matter that those ideas are nonsense on stilts; they are extremely attractive.  I know, because in my younger days, I not only bought into both but actively preached those ideas as a race activist.

The Appeal of Separation

As some of you know, I am an Asian-American; specifically, a Korean-American.  What most do not know is that while in college, I was very much a leftist – an out and out Marxist – and a race activist.  Race activism, ethnic activism, were at the center of my life since sometime in high school to well after law school.  Without going into gory details, suffice to say that I had impeccable credentials in the race mafia business.  Obama ain’t got nothin’ on me.

I do not think I am engaging in self-congratulatory remembrance when I say that I successfully radicalized a generation (or more) of Asian-Americans at a major American university.  And I know how effective I was in using ethnic identity to motivate, energize, and convert people to the Left.  I took the movement past my own campus, and helped radicalize students in dozens of other campuses, always on the basis of ethnic identity.

My professors, fellow travelers on the road to “social justice”, aided and abetted my campaigns.  The administrators, also true believers in the goals if not the tactics of the racial equality racket, were handing me thousands of dollars in funding even as I was calling them racist pigs and the like.  The politico-entertainment-media complex, staffed by comrades from the wider Progressive movement over decades, helped me with lurid stories of racism and greed on the one hand, and glorification of the resurgent black power figures like Public Enemy and X-Clan on the other hand.  [By the way, I still love the music, long after the message has turned sour.]

So I know the mechanics by which radicalization happens, by which ‘awareness raising’ occurs, and I know that the Left isn’t entirely cynical; indeed, many of the foot soldiers are well-intentioned, good hearted, true believers.

The question for conservatives is, why was I so successful in turning a social organization into a political one?  Why was it so easy to take kids who had come to college to get a degree, to go to a few parties, and to have a good time, and turn them into committed soldiers in the revolution?  (And ‘revolution’ is figurative speech only in part.)  How was it that I could take a mild-mannered pre-med major and talk him into taking part in a criminal conspiracy to beat up a fellow student for the sin of expressing his opinion?  (Thank God we never actually committed the assault and battery, but we were 100% serious about it.)

The answer, to me, is that every human being has a deep-seated need to belong to some small subset of the larger whole.  Each of us wants to be different, to be unique, but at the same time, to belong to a group of similarly different people so that we’re not weirdoes.  There is a very strong appeal to separation.

Consider fraternities on some campuses.  They put their pledges through hell, embarrassing them for sure, and physically assaulting them in some cases, and the pledges voluntarily suffer through the ordeal in order to belong.  For that matter, the campus Christian ministries like IVCF and CCC also used the natural human need to belong to a sub-group.

All human beings have a natural tendency to be proud of who they are, to be proud of their history, of their traditions and of their heritage.  When Alabama alumni break out into “Roll Tide Roll”, that’s motivated by the same tendency to want to be proud of one’s tradition and history.

Throw in a shared language, shared culture, shared values and common experiences, and the pull is irresistible.  Even today, even after my liberation from race-thinking, I find that if I have a choice, I’d prefer to go to a Korean restaurant over any other, no matter who else I’m with at the time.  Even today, while no longer viewing every white person as a racist oppressor, and while thinking of myself as an American first and foremost in nearly every way, I ain’t gonna lie and say there isn’t a special comfort in being with “my people”.  This is, I think, entirely natural.

Conservatives who rightfully fret about balkanization and self-segregation and the like are willing to dismiss this natural human urge towards separation, towards differentiation, as just some sort of liberal mental illness.  This is a mistake.

Nature Abhors a Vacuum

The natural desire of people to be different and to belong to a small subgroup plays into the Left’s political theories of power and moral right arising from the collective.  In fact, I would suggest that the philosophy of the human being underlying the political theories of the Left is not as an individual soul, but as the intersection of socio-historical forces.  You are but the intersection of and sum of all of the collectives to which you belong: race, gender, class, education level, occupation, etc. etc.

The task of the activist, then, is to elevate membership in the collective that he controls to be the most important determinant of personal identity.  To weld all the competing demands of the subgroups together, it is always necessary to have a common enemy that requires the cooperation – or in the parlance of the Left, solidarity – of many subgroups to defeat.  Whites, Men, Corporations, whatever will work as long as they are sufficiently large and seen to have dominance in the wider society.

(By the way, this competition for primacy in personal identity is why there is a pitched intramural battle between the identity groups not seen by outsiders.  Ethnic groups fight women’s groups fight gay groups fight political groups fight some other subgroup.  The fighting over who will control the allegiance of ethnic women can get downright nasty in some cases.)

The competing vision offered by conservatives is one of fully participating as an individual in the Anglo-American tradition that is our common shared heritage.

To understand why this approach is lacking, consider the case of the diehard Bama alum who loves his Crimson Tide.  The conservative answer to ethnicity is like asking him to care more about the SEC than his Crimson Tide.  Some Bama fans might find solace in the fact that Florida won in 2008 (for example) since Florida is in the SEC, but I doubt many did; I’m sure no Bama fan celebrated Alabama’s win in 2009 because it showed how great the SEC is.

Nature abhors a vacuum.  In the absence of a compelling narrative for how race and ethnicity, or other markers of identity, play into conservative principles, a person to whom such things are important in any way is naturally pushed towards the Left.

Consider the voting habits of Latinos and Asian-Americans.  Many of them share so many of the values of conservatives, and yet routinely vote Democrat.  Analyses like this one that says Latinos are driven by the issue of illegal immigration misses the larger point.  Korean-Americans also routinely vote for liberals and Democrats, and illegal immigration isn’t even near the top of the issues list for us.  In fact, we are family-centered, churchgoing, small business owners; yet, Democrats dominate the Korean-American vote.

I truly believe that one reason is that conservatives have no template for involving ethnic groups within the movement.  Sure, the GOP has its ethnic outreach organizations, and every politician has some “XYZ Group for Senator ABC” type of thing – but those are mere power-grabbing interest group politics.  And the Democrats are far better at that game than the Republicans are.  LibProg political theory supports the collectivist assumptions behind race activism; conservative political principles does not.

Conservative Diversity?

The Left today owns the term “diversity” and the concepts underlying it.  It doesn’t much matter that the Left’s version of diversity is the same as that offered by Apple for its iPod: you can get it in any color you want, but underneath, it’s the same machine.  Nevermind that the diversity of the Left consists of a white liberal, a black liberal, and a gay Asian feminist liberal all loudly denouncing Bush’s illegal war; that’s the dominant discourse on diversity.

Conservatives are left with fighting against diversity either by parroting the main talking points of the Left, or by stressing the E Pluribus Unum ideal.  We conservatives may have plenty of ideas on healthcare and the size and scope of government, but it isn’t that far from the truth that we have no ideas on diversity.

To take just one example, conservatives (myself included) are generally for establishing English as a national language.  I personally know from experience how powerful language is in creating separation from the whole, and using that as a wedge for political radicalization.  I know now that one cannot truly be an American without speaking English to some degree of facility.  Without communication, there is no community.

But what do we say to the family (like mine) that sees tremendous value in preserving the language of our ancestors for personal and familial reasons?  What do we say to those (like me) who feel that their children would lose something incredibly valuable, some real piece of what makes them who they are, if they were to forget their mother tongue?  Relegating all non-English language to the private sphere might make sense in lots of ways, but it’s hard to characterize that position as valuing the differences within the larger context of civic unity.  It also sets up the phenomenon of “dual consciousness” where we are always aware of when we are in the “American” mode and when we are in the “native” mode.  It’s a strange but very real psychological and existential state.

I recently received an email from the same Korean Student Association I had radicalized in college.  It appears they want to invite alumni to come back and tell the students of today about various topics.  It gave me pause.

The old Marxist race activist me would have gladly welcomed the opportunity to go and awaken a few more young people as to their wretched history of suffering at the hands of the white man, the imperialism of American capitalists, the warmongering oil barons, and so on.  I would have told them that they will face institutional racism, hidden hatred, and discrimination wherever they turned, and that only by joining together as a strong collective could they defend themselves from the depredation of the Man and his System.

But today, I literally have no answers for these young people.  Do I tell them to go join the Tea Party Movement?  If I do, what does that have to do with their common bond of heritage, tradition, and culture?  The answer today is, “Nothing”.

Well, I’m not satisfied with that answer.  The need to belong is both natural and strong.  When libprogs have the ready answer within their theory of equality-through-identity politics (e.g., as long as the CEO’s of American corporations are not precisely the distribution of ethnicities in the American population, there is institutional racism), then as a conservative, I feel the need for something more.

Ethnic Politics and Conservatism

This issue is not, I think, simply a theoretical exercise.  Nor do I think it’s just something that affects one guy who went from being a radical lefty to a conservative.  American demographics is shifting, and human need to be different while belonging hasn’t changed in thousands of years.

There is no sense of belonging, you see, that comes naturally to the ethnic conservative.  To the ethnic leftist, operating on the assumption that America is deeply racist, and that we minorities are always oppressed, it is easy to create the conditions for belonging to a subgroup of one kind or another pursuing one set of grievances or another.  To us on the Right, operating on the assumption that individual liberty matters, that America is a great nation, and that shared civilization leads to a healthy civic society… ethnic politics is anathema.

We need a new program.  A new way of thinking about the issue.  We need to find a synthesis between the thesis of total assimilation and the antithesis of ethnic pride.

Sadly… I don’t have the answer.  I wish I did; it would make my personal predilection easier to solve.  Because you see, I still do want to do something for “my people”.  I’d like to find a way to have more of them realize what I have realized – that the differences can be wonderful, but that we are all Americans in the end.  I want more of them to realize that we are not strangers in a strange land, mere immigrants renting a space in the American co-op, but that we are owners and inheritors of the American tradition just like the gal in the Daughters of the American Revolution.

So, let’s start here.  If you’ve read this far, then I know that you are as serious about this issue as I am.  Perhaps you also are an ethnic conservative; perhaps you are white as the driven snow, or such a mix of cultures and traditions over generations that you’ve never known any other identity than “American”.  Let me put the question to you this way.

What differences do we conservatives tolerate, indeed, celebrate?  And what differences do we reject as taking us down the balkanized road of identity politics?  Is there any basis for such a thing as conservative ethnic politics?

As the demographic trends in the United States moves towards ever increasing population of “minorities”, if conservatism is to be successful in the 21st century and beyond, I believe that it must have an answer beyond, “We’re all the same” to the issue of ethnicity and identity politics within a conservative framework.  Because we are not all the same, nor should we wish to be the same.

I have no answers; only questions.  But perhaps that is the first step towards finding an answer.  So thank you for reading, and thank you for your thoughts.

-TS

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  • hickorystick

    -Everything you said I agree with. A little background on me, I’m Scots-Irish or an American Scots-Irishman. I became interested in this about two years ago. My family made no effort to pass along any traditions, but they passed along all the tendencies and behaviors naturally. Since I have long enjoyed history, and a Great uncle had collected all the genealogical history, It was easy to fill in a lot of the general story. I won’t go into it deep now, but the identifications we have taken on when pressed, went Irish, American, Scotch-Irish, American, and drifting back to Scots-Irish. My family came shortly after the Civil War, but I have been reading the entire American history of this people. When we started arriving en mass at the start of the 18th Century, we were not welcomed as an equal, and about half, ended up on the frontiers and borders. In places like Massachusettes the town would be divided, or we would form a seperate town. There were a few church burnings believe it or not. It took a big stick over the older Colonials head to get them to give up some of their power. The stick was made out of hickory; Old Hickory to be precise. When Andrew Jackson was elected the Old Gaurd was mortified. They thought Jackson was uneducated, uncouth and about everything else bad. But he blew open the Old SouthWest and gave the people what they wanted. And if Jackson knew anything, he knew people. That was the start of a long string of Scots-Irish Presidents success that continues to this day (psssst don’t tell anyone but Obama is half Scots-Irish).
    Back in in the Lowlands of Scotland, there was a huge mixing of different cultures.. Heinz 57 sauce; another day. But my suggestion is Republicans are more partial to a Republic and republican form of government. It is the essence of diversified power and is at it’s beat representing a multitude of interests. We don’t need no stinking Emporers. The Caucus system was borrowed from the Synod structures of the Presbyterian Church. The ideas and grievances of the people are heard first at the district or precinct level. If a problem is not being heard and dealt with, its not the systems fault,it’s the people running the systems fault. What’s missing is accountability and knowledge of the structure and process. A healthy Republican Party should be in every neighborhood and community. If their precinct is into a certain issue unique to culture, band together, get organized, and make a stink.
    By the way, I couldn’t care less about color issues. I think there stupid. I do take great interest in culture issues. Cool stories. Always have since there’s been a National Geographic in the house. At the National level The Republican Party should honor as many stories as possible. Please keep writing about this.

  • JadedByPolitics

    abhorrent because I come from the left as well and while on the surface it appears that the left is truly engaged and cares about minorities they do not they USE THEM to move their leftist causes forward and as a “soldier” you know that. I wonder did you MOCK or DISMISS or DEMEAN other groups? because the leftists I was around did so. They are whether they are white (hating on blacks) or blacks (hating on whites) or men (hating on women) or women (hating on men) to a fault would smile and chat and fist pump against “the man” but separate those groups and each one would talk about the other as if they were inhuman! I do believe WE have seen evidence of that with Chrissy Matthews not seeing Barack as black for that speech he gave because you can bet your sweet A@@ he sees him that way ALWAYS and at dinner parties when with his own (whites) he will MOCK, DISMISS and DEMEAN him, btw that holds for EVERY ONE OF THOSE GROUPS!

    The Conservative Movement for me has been honestly a color-blind and sex-blind Movement. I don’t get asked about my thoughts because I am a woman or because I am an American-Indian (50%) but because I am a Conservative. If WE are to gain entrance into different groups based on their ethnicity then I believe that the old saying of “attraction not promotion” works for US! There was NO WAY the black community was NOT going to vote for the 1st black President but when that community sees the failure and that he is not just their President but must answer to 300M people and they got nothing more out of his Presidency they won’t necessarily make the effort to get out the vote the next time.

    I like the KISS (keep it simple stupid) and lets just keep fighting the fight for Conservatism and personal responsibility and those groups will either move with US or not but WE cannot play the games that the left does because then WE ARE NO BETTER then they are!

    • TheSophist

      As you’ve mentioned, and as I’ve mentioned, intramural warfare amongst the identity groups on the Left is something fierce indeed — it’s just not something outsiders get to see.

      At the same time, I just don’t think “color-blind and sex-blind” is a good longterm strategy. Because people DO want to be with others like them — there’s a different dynamic in an all-female gathering (or so my wife tells me) than with a mixed-gender gathering.

      KISS is extremely appealing from a principled stance… but why concede the battlefield to LibProgs if we don’t have to?

      -TS

      • Doc Holliday

        among Koreans. I bet more here are “more comfortable” among their own ethnicity/culture when in a group of strangers too. That is not hate as you know, it is just human nature. One might simply feel more able to drop their guard so to speak. But I don’t see how this leads directly to political philosophy. I know I would be more comfortable among conservatives of any race or creed than liberals of any race or creed. :)

        • JadedByPolitics

          I too am quite comfortable with ALL Conservatives of any color or sex and the hanging with your own kind thing…..I call BS because I am much more comfortable around men then other women but that is because I am a tomboy by nature :) I enjoy the interplay of politics that it doesn’t matter which racial group you come from but what your politics are, yes I admit it I am RACIST against the left!

          • Doc Holliday

            I am trying to understand this guys position in some way. Heck I don’t even like “hanging with my own kind ” really, it would bore me to death lol.

          • Doc Holliday

            women can be so competitive with each other. I probably just stepped in a minefield but what the heck. :)

        • TheSophist

          The Left leverages this very natural human desire to hang out with “their own” for political purposes. I’ve done it; I know how it works; I know precisely how to do it.

          If there were a conservative approach to ethnic politics, one that would strengthen the ethnic communities feelings of inclusion in the wider American community, one that would somehow articulate how difference does NOT mean separation, I feel that I could teach the next generation of student activists (conservatives of course!) how to turn people towards the light.

          But it’s a weird thing to go amongst “your own kind” and talk about how we’re all the same as everyone else. Hard to make that work, without a coherent philosophy behind it.

          -TS

  • Brian Hibbert

    At least in political terms. Frankly the government has no business being in the ethnicity, country of origin, color of their skin arena of life. And that’s part of the problem. We actually believe that people should be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. We you believe that phrase and actually LIVE it, it’s very difficult to play in the field of racial politics.

    In life, by all means we love ethnic celebrations, they’re another reason to enjoy life. I like celebrating St. Patrick’s day and Cinco de Mayo and Chinese New Year and the 4th of July and Christmas and Passover and Easter and Mardi Gras any other celebration you can name…… never mind that they come from different cultural heritages or different countries.

    And definitely teach your children the language of their grandparents.

    One thing that confuses the left is that conservatives are for rugged individualism. The part they don’t get is that individuals have backgrounds and family heritages and traditions. They are all wonderful!!!!

    What I don’t want is the government telling me that I MUST hire someone because of their ethnicity. I want to hire someone because of their abilities.

    I don’t want my son being excluded from college because someone of a “protected class” is being advanced. I want him excluded from the college because someone else had a better score on the entrance exam. (Actually, I want him to beat everyone else).

    I don’t want to be called raaaacist because I disagree with the policies of a president who MAY be of a different racial heritage than I. And I’m starting to get pissed about this one.

    I don’t want to be forced into judging people by the color of their skin by an oppressive government.

    • TheSophist

      Brian -

      As far as it goes for policies, I’m 100% behind your way of thinking. Especially as an Asian-American, where policies like affirmative action affirmatively hurts my children’s chances for getting into college, I’d much rather the government get out of the race business altogether.

      My own position has evolved over time where ethnicity is somewhat like religion. What I’m looking for, then, is something akin to the First Amendment for ethnicity:

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of ethnicity, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

      As I’ve heard it said, the anti-establishment clause not only protects government from religion, it protects religion from government. I’d like to see the same from a policy standpoint.

      At the same time, is there really much doubt that so much of the shared common bonds of morality and ethics that we share as Americans (and as conservatives) arises out of the Judeo-Christian tradition translated into civic morality?

      If we can’t figure out how to accommodate diversity not just in private sphere, but also in the shared civic space (which is not necessarily governmental policy), in a way that doesn’t threaten our shared bonds, then we cede the battlefield to the race pimps of the Left. Again, having been a very successful race pimp of the Left, I know exactly how easy that would be.

      In some very real ways, identity trumps policy. We can decry that, we can condemn it, but we can’t pretend it doesn’t happen. So what I’m seeking is a conservative theory of identity, one that would support the principle of getting government OUT, while at the same time avoiding the enforcement of a uniform assimilationist view of community.

      Does that make sense at all?

      -TS

      • Brian Hibbert

        And it’s pretty much the way I feel about it.

        The problem is, if someone is looking for an additional boost over and above freedom and equality of opportunity then the conservative vision is going to be disappointing. Frankly, we aren’t going to pass laws that put people into “protected classes”. We aren’t about classes. We’re about individuals. Unfortunately it’s hard to convince people of that. The left would take a statement like ?I would do no more or less for ethnic Koreans than I do for anyone else. I will work to make government more free and get out of everyone?s life as much as possible. I believe that the best help from government is to treat everyone as individuals and treat everyone EQUALLY under the law with no race, religion or ethnicity bias.? And trim it to “See the rotten conservatives don’t CARE about race. They won’t do anything for you!”

        The closest example I can think of is when McCain was trying to make the point about class warfare and defining “rich” the left “spun it as McCain thinks only people with incomes above $5M are rich. They completely distorted what he said and hid the truth.

        • TheSophist

          There can be no such thing as “protected class” politics within conservatism.

          What we have to keep in mind is that race rhetoric also goes for “equality” in theory — when you start from the proposition that all minorities, women, gays, etc. are oppressed, victimized, etc. then equality demands “corrective measures”.

          But from the standpoint of principles/philosophy, I am finding the similarity to religion compelling. Because also similar to religion debate, there is an attack on Christianity going on that is similar to attacks on the “majority”. Freedom to worship, freedom _from_ worship, freedom of worship — how do these things translate into ethnic politics, or do they?

          -TS

    • aesthete

      Sure, you can say, “conservatives ignore ethnicity politically” and have yourself an accurate statement, but that would be like saying that “conservatives deal with people’s choices by ignoring them politically” as a defense for liberty: It doesn’t sound appealing, makes conservatives look tone-deaf on the issue of culture, and allows leftists an avenue of attack that shouldn’t be available to them.

      What conservatives should be doing is showing how 1) leftists seek to tell people who have grown up in their respective cultures what their culture is and is not, and in doing so, seek to redefine their culture. 2) We should emphasize the fact that progressivism (particularly at its extremes) requires uniformity to achieve results, and that such uniformity requires the stripping away of culture, religion, and all that makes one human. 3) We should also point out examples where the progressive state prevents people from living as they see fit: the transfat ban is a good place to start. 4) We should expand conservative respect for tradition and what came before to other cultures, as well (where it fits with American values). The US’ history isn’t the only one worthy of respect, and even cultures that have a largely despotic or anti-freedom tradition often have some pro-freedom or pro-family strain which we can encourage. All of these things can go a long way towards making ethnic Americans with strong ties to their past cognizant of the benefits of classically liberal thought.

      • Brian Hibbert

        I agree, it’s not appealing if someone is asking “What are you going to do to help my people?” My answer would be “No more or less than I do for anyone else. I will work to make government more free and get out of everyone’s life as much as possible. I believe that the best help from government is to treat everyone as individuals and treat everyone EQUALLY under the law with no race, religion or ethnicity bias.”

        I guess TheSophist hit it with an ethnic equivalent to the establishment clause. The government should just get out of your way to let you live your life in a way that seems best to you. If you’re looking for a boost up based on your heritage, you’re looking in the wrong place. If you’re looking for someone who will gladly support you in arranging ethnic based celebrations and join in to the party when it come, you’re in the right place.

        • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

          When asked ‘what are you going to do to help *my* people?’

          Answer ‘I will do exactly what I do to help my people.’

          ‘I will, to the extent of my ability, offer you all the protection of the law so that your rights are not taken away by the government, and that anyone who tries to take your rights away is prosecuted by the law.’

          • aesthete

            tailoring the classically liberal message to emphasize the concerns of those in certain minority groups is a more winning strategy than saying, “nothing more or nothing less than us; suck it up.” Example: post-Civil War blacks. Sure, a hypothetical classical lib could say, “the government never gave us a hand-out; suck it up.” On the other hand, they could say, “hey, we believe in equal rights for all people, and will stand beside you in your fight for equal rights.” Both responses are accurate, but one of them a) couches our philosophy positively, and b) makes reference to a specific concern that our ideology is more predisposed towards solving.

            This approach will never win over the race hustlers, the racketeers, and those who profit from pitting groups against one another. It can, however, win over the Hispanic grandma whose brow furrows at the thought of more babies aborted, or Asian-Americans tired of having their money go towards failed government ventures.

            Conservatism should meet people where they are, not become a self-referencing movement where the message is expressed atonally, IMO. What do you think?

          • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

            I see your way of saying it as a perfect sequel to what I wrote.

            The same things I do for my people… Equal rights under the law… Stand beside you in your struggle for equal rights and true and fair justice.

  • Leopard1996

    I have had this entire arguement in my head numerous times. The one side agrees with everybody here, and states that I don’t want pandering by a government to provide equal results, all I want is equal opportunities. The other side of the arguement however relates to what people perceive happens when a Republican takes over a town, city, etc, from Democrat control (think Guliani in NYC). What normally happens is that there is a call for stonger law and order, but somehow within the beauracrasies of the Police department and the D.A.’s office that means an increase in patrols, and at times the police stopping folks for no reason because they may feel that the entire neighborhood or area is enemy territory.

    Personally, I would like the GOP and conservatives to look more at the individual liberties of all people, I believe that within the GOP, there has always been kind of knee jerk reaction, (probably because it’s their person having to clean the mess left behind from Dem mismanagement), to just dismiss the complaints when someone does state that the only reason they were stopped walking, or pulled over was because of race, instead of giving a full investigation of the charge, showing the process and the results. What is normally seen is the charge is made, the “Blue wall of silence” goes up, and then there a finding that nothing was wrong.

    Again, I don’t buy into the Al Sharption, Jesse Jackson, race baiting garbage, However, there are real fears at least within the black community (I know I have them, if I have business in neighborhood X, and that neighborhood is a majority white neighborhood), that need to be addressed. I would like more of a defense from conservatives or more investigation into those issues instead of what is seen is a dismissal of those issues.

    • aesthete

      I’m Puerto Rican, and the same can generally be said of immigration; I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve cringed at rants from conservatives ranting about having to hear Spanish in public, or where they broadly stereotype hispanics, in their missives on border security. It’s also sad that more conservatives can’t have the finesse of, say, Ron Unz and Fred Thompson in approaching English language proposals. Though I’m not a fan of such proposals, I don’t feel like I’m being attacked for my heritage when I listen to either of those two, and can say that they are making a rational, objective case for their proposal.

    • hickorystick

      All driving records, insurance registrations, and criminal background records could be put on one centralized computer, and a bar code installed on the license tab or plate, so that at a push of a button it could be checked in seconds. There would be no reason to pull someone over if they are driving normally. Might even make a good issue for a campaign, and jibe nicely with Republican smaller, less intrusive government themes.
      I don’t know what your precinct looks like color wise, but if it is mostly Black, you are the GOP and Conservatives.
      p.s. I can understand why you are frustrated, I would be too.

      • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

        I’d rather not see that. Remember we are all innocent until proved guilty.

        What is to be done about charges of Driving While Black?

        I guess the main thing to clear up is this. All cases of DWB can be broken down into one of two categories.
        1. Hassling people for no good reason.
        2. Legitimate searches for criminals who have committed crimes or are on their way to commit fresh crimes.

        Case 1 is hassling. If a police officer stops someone without having a legitimate reason to stop that person, then it is lawsuit material. Police officers who make a habit of hassling people for no good reason are going to get fired. That’s how the problem takes care of itself. I suggest that if you are frequently hassled for no good reason, get a flip-cam and document what you do.

        Case 2 is legitimate. Police are well within their rights to stop people who fit the description of criminal perps.

        The answer is not to have police lay off enforcing the law against certain populations. That only encourages criminal behavior in those populations. It worked like that with the KKK too.

        The long-term answer is for conservative values to take hold in minority populations, just like they used to before the NWRO started its evil mission. When all Americans take responsibility for their own acts and work to lift themselves out of tough situations, when Uncle Sugar is not the first place that poor folks go for help, but their church or neighbor is first, when every child has a mother and a father at home, when kids are valued by their parents and have as good an education as they desire and will work for, then the problem will be well on its way to its solution.

        Also, when every poor and law-abiding family can afford to have a gun for self-defense, then the criminals who prey on the poor will think twice.

        • Leopard1996

          I do understand that there is a culture in some black neighborhoods where there is a “Don’t Snitch” mantra, and sometimes police can feel that they are walking in a warzone.

          I just bring that up, because sometimes I do get a feeling sometimes that some folks would rather put their fingers in their ears and say, “La la la la la”, and just ignore it outright.

        • hickorystick

          These searches are of public record. If anyone is pulled over for a traffic offense, The officer will automatically call back to the dispatcher to check the record anyway. My suggestion is just an idea to solve a frequent complaint.
          One thing we do as a city here in Seattle, is we have community liason officers who meet regularly with a group of citizens in that community to go over whatever complaints they may have. Any one can attend. Some things they will negotiate on, as long as it doesn’t affect the safety of the officers. It seems to work fairly well here. Every city is different.

        • Brian Hibbert

          They protect both the public and the police officer. If the person is driving erratically, it’s caught on tape of the charge against the officer can be summarily dismissed. If the citizen is not obviously doing anything illegal then a deeper investigation needs to be done.

    • Doc Holliday

      are union and vote Democrat. And for every guy saying the police harass their neighborhood, there is an old lady saying she is glad they are there. I have an idea that goes beyond the specifics of race and police. I say we focus on freedom and limiting government power, it is simple, it is clear, and will help everyone.

  • Viet71

    I went to college along with a lot of kids from Chicago. Kids who had names like Wojtko, Blidy, Sipiora, Bial.

    Guys in my pledge class. They lived in separate distinct neighborhoods, knew their own culture’s history, customs, food, music, and costumes. And in some cases, the language.

    Today they would be called Conservatives. In 1963, they were Daley Democrats.

    What made them a harmonious group in the frat was that they were Americans first. That lesson came loudly and clearly from WW II, then only 18 years in the past.

    Lefty activists today want to hide, want tro conceal, that lesson.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Sadly, however, meaningful solutions are a tough sell. I can’t do this justice now, but here’s one thought to hopefully complement both your own and others’ above.

    Several decades after being given irrestibly compelling reasons to permanently plant my young family in an inner-city environment whose name even now can conjure fear and disgust among the uninitiated, I am convinced that American conservatism will prosper or dwindle in proportion to its urban face. This is directly tied to your concerns by the simple fact that the minority ethnic subcultures least inclined to conservative thought are also the most likely to be urban.

    While I am aware of and grateful for some very strong supporters of urban conservative work, the work itself sometimes seems less daunting than the challenge of convincing non-urban conservatives–who by extension are more likely to be whites with few connections to non-whites–that they are bailing a sinking boat if they neglect the “big, bad, blue”–but oh-so-important in early November–cities.

    My challenge to such has been, is, and will remain: if conservative principles are rooted in objective truth, why is it not worth every effort to promote those principles by putting, or supporting, boots on the ground in the very places and among the very people who stand most to benefit from those principles? The desired response would of course take the form “what can we do to help?”, to which I always respond; if you can, come here for a while, and if you like, make it permanent; if you can’t, sponsor someone who can; if there isn’t anyone, sponsor someone who is. and spend some time teaching your kids why they should go. But to those who respond with “why bother? you know it wouldn’t work with THOSE people–they’re just not like US”, I can only wonder if they really believe the principles.

    I have noticed an interesting contrast during my years in NYC. The neighborhoods which were infamous for inter-ethnic conflict tend to be ones where a very sharp, nearly impenetrable line divides mono-ethnic communities; the battles would inevitably occur along these fronts. For all of the depradation of the ghost-city years of the 70′s and 80′s, however, parts of The Bronx have actually fared better, I believe, due to having much more ethnically mixed neighborhoods. When you can’t get your mail, milk, okra, pernil or kimchi without bumping into a fair cross-section of the planet every day, some of the edges start to come off and opportunities to communicate, maybe as small as cracks in the sidewalk but as real and as inviting to blowing seeds, start to open up.

    But someone has to be there. 30-second ads in October don’t make up for the preceding 47 months.

    • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

      It sounds like you’re talking about a missionary movement. While there are some who might want to undertake missionary work for a religion, there are very few, perhaps none, who desire to undertake missionary work for conservatism.

      I’m sure I misunderstand though. Set me straight.

      • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
        • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

          I can’t see that your basic wealthy suburban white retired couple would want to move into the Bronx or Compton or the Four Corners, even if they thought they could perform good works. They would be too likely to be saddled with a flashing neon victim sign over their heads. Same thing for a young married couple with children, only to an even greater degree.

          Perhaps there could be an establishment of fraternal organizations, like Masons, the Knights of Columbus or the Optimists, in the inner city? I’m sure there are enough working men in the inner cities who would jump at the chance to get involved in charitable organizations in their community. But many of those men already have their churches for this need.

          Perhaps conservative churches could be established that pay attention to traditional values and preach against the socialist and nihilist temptation. But that depends on the congregation as much as the preacher. Perhaps more. And there is always the danger of another Pfleger.

          An indoor gun range would be a pretty conservative statement. So would a gym with a good boxing coach. A cooking school/restaurant with parking guarded by trustworthy locals. A clothing factory. A building trades coop with an active apprentice program. A street-vendor depot with cold storage and frequent visits from the health dept, so locals can keep street vending equipment safely and locally, keep it safe, and replenish it locally. An open-air street market in an abandoned lot. A police mini-station, so that police can walk the neighborhood along with local neighborhood watch.

          Or you could go the other direction, with one-off programs given by conservatives. Perhaps the local churches could host a ‘how money works for and against you’ course given by a conservative economist? Perhaps they could host a ‘starting a home-based business’ course? An ‘incorporating your business to cut your tax load’ course?

          • georgeinla

            It seems to be that there’s nothing inherently antithetical about group identity and conservative philosophy. Ethnic groups are free to congregate together, celebrate their culture and their mother tongue just as religious groups are free to congregate and practice their faith. The question is whether that has any relationship to government and law. People can do whatever they want as groups, but before the government and the law they remain individuals, equal to all others.

            Relatively recent immigrants should know better than anyone else the horrors of a society where one’s membership and position within an ethnic group determines one’s treatment before the government and the law. The worst kinds of societies on Earth are those where members of one ethnic group or another is favored in government and law depending on who happens to be in power at any given time.

            None of this is to say that politics and ethnic group identity need stay completely separate either. All kinds of groups participate as such in politics, but as long as they are united in the idea that in America, all individuals are equal before the law and the government regardless of their group identity, then it’s not a threat to our system. Again, people do participate in politics as Christians, as Jews, as Catholics, but once in government, the ideal is to enact laws and policies that are to the benefit of all regardless of religion. The same would seem true for ethnicity.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            simply coming with one’s trade or profession–teachers take note!–and putting down enough roots to gain creds.

            Several caveats.

            1) Knowing someone “on the inside” helps to get the flashing neon sign turned off pretty quickly, both by acquiring minimal smarts and by having the “Hi! I’m from Charity X and I’m here to help” look transformed into the “when you feel like it, tell my about my new neighborhood–I’m intending to stay” look. The only times I’ve come close to or been assaulted have been when I went over the smarts line for expediency–and most of those were back in the pre-Rudy years.

            2) Christians with strong Reformational roots will tend to not speak of a church’s primary and governing raison d’etre being anything other than the faithful proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, but will prefer to speak about the work of the individual members, either alone or corporately, to find ways to love their neighbors in all sorts of ways.

            3) You mentioned Compton. One of the best voices on these matters, validated by his having a healthy church that people come into Compton for, in which, through the faithful preaching of the Word, the unseemly ethnic walls have been laid low, is Reverend Ken Jones of Greater Union Baptist Church.

          • Brian Hibbert

            Or part of a call to action, not enough details yet.

            Can you write a diary with your recommendations? What needs to be done? And HOW can it be done successfully?

  • Doc Holliday

    conservatism is based on the liberty of the individual. We can’t take a group and make them conservative, the group forms based on their shared conservative beliefs.

    There is no doubt in my mind that many minorities are trained to be Democrats. Of course this is true of many whites as well but for different reasons. Just today on the Chris Plant show a black conservative railed against what she called “brainwashed” blacks who never consider their own religious or social beliefs above their greatest belief, voting for Democrats no matter what.

    We do need to do something proactive for sure. We need to break the strangle hold of teachers unions and the drive by media. The other major problem is apathetic parents but that can only be fixed over the long term if children are taught properly in school.

    I think we of course should run strong minority candidates in areas where only a minority can be elected. There is nothing wrong with facing reality.

    However, I question the idea of “ethnic-conservatives” (do we need another subgroup at this point lol). Conservatives may have shared beliefs, but they did not come by them because they had an innate need to belong to a group. I proffer that we are a group of individuals that are driven by charting our own courses in life.

    I think we can and should reach out to all people by speaking with them and communicating our principles and why they have been proven through history to provide the best chance for happiness. We can show people how the Demonrat party sees only skin deep and uses minorities as pawns. The white Democrats see themselves as caretakers for the incapable minorities. If that does not insult them, I just don’t know what will.

    I think you are quite bright sir but you are to close to the issue. I don’t think everyone is looking to be part of an ethnic club, particularly when it comes to politics. Sure there will be a “minority gap” but that is most likely do to the social strata with newcomers.

    I am all for finding new ways to convert new people to our side. But I refuse to play the game of focusing on anything other than the character of the man. If we start thinking of people as simply members of some larger arbitrary group, we cease to be who we are; conservatives.

    • TheSophist

      I don’t disagree with your position, that conservatives regard people as individuals. That’s my dilemma, if you will.

      However, I think it’s going a step too far to suggest that conservatism is _purely_ individualistic, and not concerned at all with group politics or identity politics.

      At the deepest level, I don’t think you’d find too many conservatives who don’t believe that there is some set of core cultural/ethical beliefs that we all must share if we are to work together in civil society. I’ve been rereading Tocqueville’s Democracy in America — and his description of the New England towns (arguably, one of the birthplaces of American democracy) is really rather interesting.

      These were all Christians who belonged to the same sect/denomination for the most part, all from the same mother country (England), believed in the same things about liberty, about family, about responsibility, read the same books, enjoyed the same sense of humor, etc. Community grows out of those shared bonds and experiences; and civic society and finally government grow out of community.

      Now, perhaps I need to do some more reading on early American colonies and how they dealt with ethnic diversity (Quakers??? Dutch in New York???), but the Constitution was written by those folks.

      And I get a very strong sense that the Founders were not necessarily all about individuality, character of the man, and charting our own course in life. There was a VERY strong moral strain in much of their politics and in their writing; and morality presumes common shared assumptions and common community.

      I’m suggesting that we need to find a way to preserve the common community we need as a nation, preserve our respect for individual liberty, and still somehow find room philosophically for (sub-)group identity. Is there a way to make those identities into a _positive_ that reinforces our American character, rather than into a permanent-victim grievance monger thing that the Left would have to pit one group against the other in pursuit of statism?

      I don’t know, but I don’t think “individualism” is the answer here….

      -TS

      • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

        …I’d love to converse via e-mail on this issue, which in my mind touches on one of the primary polarities underlying the political process since the dawn of time (involving tribalism vs. individual vs. universality).

        Answering this thus gets me into expounding the “large picture” I would have good intentions of explicating my thoughts, but based on other unwritten diaries, I don’t know that this will happen.

        My address is my screen name at yahoo.com.

        • TheSophist

          and if possible, have it shared here on Redstate, where others can also chime in. But if that is difficult, I’ll email you. :)

          -TS

      • hickorystick

        and I did a poor job of it. I’ll say it more succinctly. The Scottish and the Irish have had a long conflict with the Engish. They fought many wars, and there was constant strife. There cultures are vastly different. The English set up an economic system to benefit themselves. All goods had to go through England, and most benefit of commerce was for the State. In America, the freedom and oppurtunity relaxed much of the conflict, but cultural friction remained in play, though subdued.
        The founders were not entirely English. One of the most prominent players was James Wilson, who was Scottish, as was Witherspoon. There were about eight others whom I don’t have on the top of my head. There was one German, One Dutch, and one descendant of a French Huguenot if I recall correctly. The constitution had to be ratified in the States, so it would require the compliance of a majority of delegates from 9 states. These delegates would be drawn from some districts of predominately German, Dutch, Scot, Welsh or other. each of these groups have significant differences in world view.
        Even the English, had differences in language, culture and religion. People in the south of England had some difficulty understanding the Old North use of English. The Welsh native tongue is Gallic. Religion was split between Puritan form, Anglican, Congregational. and Quaker. Wars had been fought over the differences.
        You might be having a hard time grasping the skin color ‘White’ is not monolithic. Although very individualistic, we do have a history of factionalizing over ideas, and forming groups for a period of time to settle the dispute. Common bonding often occurs in the church. The religious strength of the churches and people was something that shocked DeToqueville. Something Korean and Scottish people share in common, is vigorous participation in the Presbyterian Church. Were both pretty good at organizing groups and structures as well.
        You mentioned the Tea Party, and how you couldn’t relate to the tri-corn hats, colonial English, and a bonding over the Constitution. Perhaps you could re-read the Constitution with a copy of Korean history in the other hand, and make a list of historical traumas in Korean history that the Constitution prevents from occurring to Koreans here. Then organize a Korean Tea-Party celebrating it. Maybe the State-Corporate alliance in car manufacturing bugs you?

      • Doc Holliday

        and time to focus my thoughts. But I will say here that I agree totally about the shared beliefs, culture, learning, and morals. Please don’t take my individualist views to the extreme. Of course, as a historian by education I know how we have progressed from some of the practices of early colonies. I hope we don’t want to be too much like Jamestown where if you missed church twice you were put in the stocks.

        I still have trouble with the idea of “sub-group identity” as part of our cause. To clarify, we don’t need to focus on sub-groups, but we can certainly do a better job of explaining to them how their cultural values can fit with our political views.

        • Doc Holliday

          I mean American culture. Sure we can trace it back to the English who settled here and from that same culture came much of our laws, etc. But my point is we do want all Americans to share in American culture. Regardless of the reasons why they came, immigrants CHOSE to come here, and it is up to them to join our culture or be left behind.

          This does not mean abandoning your heritage or speaking only English in the home. What this does mean is this country have proven the melting pot works with Germans, Italians, Irish, Russians etc, there is no reason why it can’t work with Asians, Hispanics, and blacks. In fact, I say it has worked for the most part and if we focus too hard on our differences, they will only grow larger.

          • TheSophist

            But my point is we do want all Americans to share in American culture. Regardless of the reasons why they came, immigrants CHOSE to come here, and it is up to them to join our culture or be left behind.

            I do think the fact of immigration — of CHOOSING to come to America — is something we ethnics (with the exception of former slaves, who obviously didn’t choose to come here) need to focus on more. As I see it, I might not have chosen to come here (my parents did), but I did choose to stay here, benefit from the bounty that is America, and have chosen to become an American citizen. That’s pretty meaningful to me.

            And joining “our culture” is also important — far more so than many people realize.

            At the same time, it leaves the conundrum intact. Assimilation is required, but total assimilation is truly alienating in real ways. In that gap, the race activists have enough room to play in to advance their causes — again, I know because I’ve done precisely that, and with great success.

            I don’t think we should focus too much on our differences; I think we should focus on our commonalities, but in a way that accommodates the natural desire of humans to be with their own kind and to celebrate and be proud of their particular “stuff” (heritage, tradition, whatever).

            The ideal in my mind is (forgive the analogy) something like the NFL. I’m a fan of the Jets; but I’m also a big fan of NFL football. I’d gladly watch the Colts lose to the Saints, even though I’m a fan of neither team. But it’s extra-special when the Jets are playing. And being a Jets fan, I am also a fan of the NFL; and one cannot be a Jets fan without also being a fan of the NFL. I can have conversations with even the hated Patriots fan because we share the love of the Game.

            Does that make any sense?

            -TS

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    which, for every Nth rural/suburban conservative (where N=a couple orders of magnitude greater than the current value of N) would allow the prioritization of urban engagement to float near the top of their list of Things They Know They Have To Do Before They Die, even though in the process some of the Big-Ticket American Dream Items might go down a notch or two.

    If Christian terminology surfaced in what I wrote, that’s because the compelling reasons for me were in fact theological in nature; but there is no secular analog to the Church or its work, and none was intended.

    Although I can think of a dozen reasons beyond the political why it’s grievous that there are not more conservative Christians here, I have other venues for working on that imbalance; as for the rest, I guess we’ll have to see who thinks the principles themselves sturdy enough to warrant greater involvement on their part.

  • reaganomics

    when communicating our ideas.

    As Margaret Thatcher said, “The facts of life are conservative.” If you believe that conservative ideas like individual liberty and personal responsibility are genuinely beneficial to people, then share them enthusiastically. At the same time, make an effort to share the specific ideas that will be the most understandable and relevant to your target audience.

    It’s important that we make a distinction between “stereotyping” groups and “genuinely understanding the different cultural backgrounds” of Americans. I think this is possibly the most difficult part of conservative ethnic politics, and it’s made harder by the pervasive political correctness that tends to make discussion off-limits within polite company, or reduce it to the ethnic chauvinism that liberalism promotes.

    If all we know about different ethnic groups is stereotypes(whether the stereotypes are true is irrelevant), then we’ll risk being seen as offensive and ignorant and no different from liberal race-baiters. If on the other hand we understand how the Korean-American culture differs from black American culture, and how urban Jewish-American culture differs from rural Scots-Irish-American culture, then we understand what their political priorities tend to be.

    All of these groups and others differ substantially in such things as the emphasis they place on academic achievement, book learning within the home, alcohol consumption, athletics, personal responsibility, residential patterns(what part of the country as well as urban/suburban/rural), ties to one’s extended family, pursuit of goals requiring long-term effort, entrepreneurship vs. rising in an established organization, and most relevant to this thread, the particular harm they’ve experienced from destructive liberal policies in action.

    For one example – poor and middle-class black Americans living in the cities are hugely in favor of school vouchers; they’ve seen unionized, bureaucratic big-city school systems fail to educate their children. They may have also tried to start a legitimate business and been hamstrung by regulations and bureaucrats. You can reach out with the prospect of school choice and restrictions on regulatory harassment, and you’ll do much better than if you started talking to them about the need to eliminate the estate tax which almost none of them will ever encounter.

    Another example, specifically for TheSophist. I have to admit that I don’t know many Korean Americans, but I assume that you’d find a lot of opposition to affirmative action college admissions within that community.

    I could cite more examples but the basic idea is the same. We as conservatives believe in treating others as individuals and not as objects with which to accomplish a collective purpose; but at the same time we need to understand that people are the product of their cultural environment in addition to their cumulative thoughts and decisions, and when we understand what someone’s cultural environment has been we can understand which conservative ideas they will be most receptive to.

    More specifically, as far as formal organization goes I don’t think it’d be horrible to have ethnically-based conservative organizations as long as their focus was on the conservatism more than the ethnicity. I think what Smart Girl Politics does is kind of analogous – they don’t ban men from membership, whine about the patriarchy, or anything silly like that, but they still understand who they’re reaching out to.

    • TheSophist

      Food for thought for sure…

      -TS

    • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

      Going a step further, a primary difficulty with having

      ethnically-based conservative organizations as long as their focus was on the conservatism more than the ethnicity

      particularly among groups historically more aligned with the Left, is the natural tendency–warranted or not–among those “they’re reaching out to” to think that conservative ideology is THEIR way, not OUR way.

      If I understand TheSophist’s concerns, there is a strong tension for those expounding conservatism from within a sceptical community between retaining their own acceptance by the community and obtaining a platform for counter-cultural persuasion.

      The internal persuader will certainly need to do his homework and will begin by addressing the principles to areas of most distress for the community. My proposal is that he will be aided in that work, by those of us on the outside of that community, to the degree that people hearing the arguments for the first time can tie them to face time with real “outsiders”. That is, if TS is addressing 17 younger Korean-Americans who have never heard “one of their own” talk this way, his work will be much easier if 5 or 6, instead of 1 or 0, of the 17 could recall a conservative non-Korean teacher/assistant/merchant/boss/security/etc whom they have learned to trust–even if through irenic discussion–and several of these be able to say from experience, “well no, THEY’RE actually NOT all yellow-haired blue-eyed imperialist devils … “.

      Anecdatum: my pastor and his wife began adopting Chinese children back in the mid-90′s. Within 6-8 years we followed suit. Our eldest birth child, to keep up with one friend her age, taught herself Mandarin along the way. Fast forward to 2 years back. Daughter and friend started talking to owners of closest Chinese fast food place. Dismal stories of indenture were heard. Then the opportunities started to arise–translating INS docs, making phone calls, finding good private school for one child. One germane to this thread was when we learned that the dreaded day of the year was always Halloween, because firecrackers had been thrown into the kitchen in earlier years. So some of us men do a little storefront patrol on Halloween. One of us was a massive young man who shortly after becoming a Christian a few years ago began the painful dismantling of the liberal Black-Identity think he had nursed on–and who now uses his strong MC skills to shine a new light on the Puritans. At the end of the evening, owner says to us–”I never met a black man like him! I thought THEY were all loud and rude, and he’s so respectful and gentle!” Another crack in the sidewalk, another seed blown in.

      I really wish more could be convinced how much work needs to be done along these lines, and how possible it really could be for some.

  • indyjohn

    Republicans should stop wasting their time trying to appeal to the black voter. The horrible fact is that 90% of the black populace has been propagandized and pressured into accepting the radical leftist belief system. If you are sceptical, please look at the number of black members in the Progressive Caucus. In addition, the black community has adopted the Democrat Party as its Sugar Daddy. The majority of black voters will never abandon the Democrat Party because they have a huge financial stake in its success. The Republican Party can offer them nothing that they value. Are Republicans willing to outbid the Democrats in attempt to purchase good will? I think that George Bush tried that and it didn’t work.
    Republicans can, however, make inroads with Hispanics. Most came here to escape incompetent socialist systems in their homelands and are committed to economic success. Republicans simply need to convince them that voting for Democrats will turn the United States into a very large version of Guatemala.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
      • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

        we should be open, and we should even court Black voters.

        But I can somewhat echo his sentiments in the respect that maybe we need to see what we can do to convince Black voters that it is in their best interest to come over to us, not try and pander to them.

        My argument is that Black Americans have cut their own throat by giving 90% of their allegiance to one party. That party takes them for granted, and the other party is depressed by the lack of movement and so is tempted to write them off.

        That is part of the message we need to give them. First, it is in their best interest financially to support conservatism, and secondly it is in their best interest to not sell their soul to one party.

        But we have to let them know that we will not move away from conservatism in order to accommodate them.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          I don’t think there’s a common interest of “Black Americans”in general that is being sabotaged.

          There are only American interests.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            That the democratic party takes Blacks for granted,

            or that the Republicans become weary of trying to reach out to them?

            Or that giving their vote to one party is a bad thing?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Or that we should disparage the individuals for not looking out for a group interest.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            I mean, if you don’t tailor a message for Black voters and reach out to them why do you believe that they would ever leave the Democrat party in any numbers? Especially if they already think that conservatives don’t care about them?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Once we fall into giving any merit whatsoever to the tired, discredited racism of the left, we lose.

            Because the Democrats will turn around and tell them to vote their ‘race’ interest. Game over.

          • Richard Mullins

            The Democrats do everything because of race and we do everything in spite of race. Too often we’ve given a hand to the CDBC and other race based orgs that are either in the Government or work with them. Too much snatching defeat from the jaws of victory on the minorities here in the US. We need to stop giving them more ammo with Minority Americans(see that, no – Americans here).

        • Richard Mullins

          or the leftists will finish the job of getting everyone that can vote. Not supporting Black conservatives or Latino conservatives, is a stupid thing to do. We don’t need to get the CDBC another reason to exist. We need to cut them off and we do that by giving money to candidates that can run. We need an off with there head strategy when dealing with minority leftists.

      • indyjohn

        I think that it is a mistake to make direct appeals to black voters as members of a distinct group. As Republicans and Conservatives, the best way to appeal to all voters is to speak to them as individuals and to demonstrate, through personal and legislative action, that Conservative ideas on economic and social issues are superior.

        • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

          We have pretty much been doing that but it’s not getting us anywhere.

          I do believe that when people separate themselves into a group that you have to reach out to that group to some extent. But that does not mean pander to them.

          Black people think of themselves in many different ways but one of those ways is as Black Americans. They do tend to identify with only one party. That means you have to tailor a message to them that they do not have to be beholden to one party.

          One of the problems you have to overcome is a distrust and out right hatred of Republicans and Conservatives in the Black community. It is real, it exists.

          • indyjohn

            Given that fact, how do Conservatives make rational appeals to black voters? How does one prove that he is not evil, if others are predisposed to believe otherwise? Do Conservatives resort to counter-propaganda? The very attempt would be regarded as manipulative and disingenuous. I say, let’s be honest. Deliver the same message to everyone, without regard to skin color. We must continue to educate and agitate, until leftism is consigned to the asheap of history.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            Like it or not, whenever you talk to any Black American about this subject, even our own black Redstaters, they tell you that part of the problem is that Black people don’t think conservatives care about them and don’t reach out to them.

            I have heard that many times before.

          • Richard Mullins

            a little miffed, even the -’ed conservatives. This lack of trying makes things worse and think we should have learned our lessons on being Eeyore’s. Stop being an Eeyore.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            I just said we don’t reach out enough to minorities and then you say
            No, it is because we don’t try hard enough?!??!

            Isn’t that pretty much the same thing?

            Let me make myself clear. Just having a basic conservative message and not trying to tailor it to minority groups sounds good in principle, but it really has not got us anywhere has it?

            Maybe it will in the future, but you have to admit that it sure has not had any effect so far.

            If I were running for a local office I would certainly get my butt out and try to give my message to Black and Hispanic groups, if even a tiny portion of them bought into what I was saying it would make a big difference at the polls.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    Two questions:

    1) Concerning one comment (above) :
    The administrators, also true believers in the goals if not the tactics of the racial equality racket, were handing me thousands of dollars in funding even as I was calling them racist pigs and the like.

    Is it your opinion that they funded you of guilt (as Limbaugh always says) or with a wink and a nod, as has been m,y experience in other venues?

    2) Why hasn’t some conservative think tank hired you and put you in charge of counter-racial activities? (Or maybe they have.)
    Your insights are far more valuable on the ground than in these pages. With a coupla million bucks and several quarts of paint thinner you could help an awful lot of people strip the shellac some other person, just like at one, painted on those people.

    This, among other things, are thing our side should/could be doing.

    I’ve taken copious notes.

  • jayburd

    It’s that simple. It’s called largess, reparations, economic justice, affirmative action, community investment, economic empowerment, blah,blah,blah. Remember, one of the best, most effective uses of tax money is bribery, as in vote buying. The other is (economic) blackmail.

  • Flagstaff

    There may not be an answer to your question, which seems to be, “How do we use ethnic identity/loyalties to the advantage of conservatism?”

    I agree that it’s not difficult for progressives to do so, because they have no compunction about promising the moon, or about pandering to any group, ethnic or not. Conservatism demands that we CANNOT give special treatment to any subgroup, lest we revert back to separate-but-equal politics.

    This means the answer, if there is one, must be the SAME answer for all subgroups, and therefor everybody. Briefly, that could be standing promises to protect the rights of all members of any (name goes here) group, and to insure that their “groupness” will never be used against them. We must leave it to the Prog’s to promise them that the government will build their non-Christian temples an housing progects, and provide them with race-based scholarships, for instance.

    Never having been in your position, I have no idea what kind of promises the Dem’s have made to Korean-Americans that were able to turn them against personal equality in favor of group superiority. Group politics is usually politics addressed to feelings of weakness–by supporting the group, the individual is strong. That’s been true since before the formation of the KKK. A downside is, among others, that the individual eventually becomes hostage to the group, and hostage to the powers that are supporting the group. We have proof all around us. Welfare has never helped anybody fare well if in place for a long time.

    There’s the rub. Progressivism, statism, whatever you want to call it, appeals to our short-term desires and needs. It appeals to the gut. Conservatism (I have a broad brush in my hand) addresses long-term growth and prosperity. It appeals to the mind.

    So whatever the strategy may be, perhaps the Right needs to find a way to feed the gut in the short run while preparing the mind for the long haul. Since so much of this is verbal rather than physical, statements of moral outrage about injustices done to groups and their members could be a starting point. Since everybody is a member of SOME sub-group, ANY injustice provides an opportunity.

    The fact that I’m proposing this as a “new” idea sort of indicates that ethnic minorities have been neglected by the Right.

    What do you think?

  • scarlos

    My Best idea is to switch from a melting-pot style of ethnic integration (striving to make everyone believe they are American and nothing else) to a “Salad bowl” style where you have numerous different parts acting together to create a delicious dish.

    In other words, emphasize cultural/ethnic differences in a way that doesn’t divide people but rather unifies them. Think of how different players come together to form a football team–you need someone with a strong and accurate throwing arm, someone with agility and speed and someone with power and strength. The goal is not to try to prioritize each skill for each player, but to let their different talents work together to win games.

    For example, talk about how African-American musical traditions, not in how they are different than other peoples, but how they strengthened American culture.

    If that made no sense, I apologize. Just thinking out loud here.

  • Flagstaff

    your comment would open up some strange avenues for humor.

    The salad bowl thing was in my 9th grade civics book, before Sputnik. It was a ploy by Prog’s to divide us into our little ethnic groups and like it.

    The hard part of your idea is to do it without trivializing the details.

    I guess I just broke about 10 rules of brainstorming, didn’t I?

  • aesthete

    I would say that a minority can only fully explore his/her heritage, or pass it down, in a classically liberal environment, for two reasons: first, because progressive government’s large and technocratic nature necessitates uniformity, and second, because the social engineering and usurpation of parental duties inherent in progressivism prevents parents from transmitting their culture and heritage.

    In many ways, this is reflected by how these groups are treated by progressives: ethnics are told exactly what their culture is, what it is not, what it likes, etc., and what it should be doing politically, usually by whites or white-supported demagogues, and when they step past those narrow confines, they are ostracized as “race traitors”. In effect, the progressive view of ethnic groups not only robs them of their identity and replaces it with a politically-sanitized version of said identity; culture becomes a prison whose inmates must work for approval of their taskmasters until the blemish of culture is removed, and all that is left is a mass of agitators who don’t even recognize the culture that they are supposedly agitating for.

    This holds true from a historical vantage point, as well: almost everywhere that progressivism has taken hold, there has either been repression of minority groups, attempts to make them “fit in”, or a reassignment of said minority groups to other, more distant locales. It is telling that the places where socialist thought has had significant influence (and some amount of non-failure) have had largely homogenous populations, such as the Netherlands and the Baltic countries (see Belgium for an example of balkanization in such a country). This is oftentimes as unintentional as it is not: for a state-directed economy to work effectively, a statist government must control for as many variables as possible. Minorities are one such variable, and as such, serves no purpose in such a system.

    Even examples as relatively benign as the trans-fat ban in California can have significant effects: the cuisine of all ethnic groups is affected by it. This may seem trivial, but food is an integral part of many cultural exchanges, and other examples of the government interloping are present, if one takes a look.

    In contrast, conservatives should welcome anyone who is proud of their heritage; indeed, what is conservatism if not a celebration of heritage? Examples in most ethnic cultures abound of (classical) liberal thought; Don Quixote de la Mancha, Frederick Douglass and others are but a few examples of such a tradition.

    One issue that is somewhat specific, but important, to Hispanics and African-Americans is that of national defense. Both groups, when adjusted for variables such as income level, educational credentials, and immigration status, are overrepresented relative to the general population, especially in the Navy, Marines, and the Army as enlisted personnel. We should point out that by championing technologies and funding for equipment that aids the armed forces in doing what they do best, Republicans and conservatives are ensuring that more Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and African-Americans make it back to their loved ones safe and whole. Dems should especially get hammered for politicizing funding of body armor and other defensive equipment; every kid who gets sent home because he didn’t have body armor should be postmarked with the Democratic Party’s logo in the minds of minorities.

    BTW, minority veterans, by and large, already know this, and would happily back this portrait up with anecdotal snippets. It is the minority population at large for both demographics who are not aware of this, and who simply see the fact that they are overrepresented as evidence that they are being sent to die for whitey.

    Why do conservatives not focus on the tremendous freedom of movement that minority groups and institutions would have under a classically liberal system zealously guarding their right to freedom of association? Is it because they have given up on reaching out, and now seek only to mitigate the damage that allegations of racism cause? Is it because they genuinely don’t know how to express these thoughts? Is it because they feel uncomfortable discussing the topic? I don’t know, but there’s little hope for conservatives if they don’t get their act together. We have the resources to start a conversation on the subject; Rubio and Michael Steele are both conservative and visibly proud of their respective heritages. Let’s urge conservatives to retune their message, and show how an ethnic identity is only truly possible in a system that respects the autonomy of individuals.

  • penguin2

    I’ll probably stumble around a bit with some of my response, I think we all reflect on these things in one way or another.

    First, if you had not said you were Asian-American I would have had no idea that you were from any of your writings. Interestingly, that means to me, that you “sound American” and the Internet is a wonderful thing, because it allows us to slide past visuals. Here we have no idea of ones’ race, color, culture, religion, size, shape, or even gender – unless one tells us. Now what I mean by “sound American” and let me qualify that further, is you sound like a Conservative American in your writings. So it really is what we say that is important. This is the part that fits nicely with people being able to enjoy their separate ethnicity and yet have other philosophical (political) beliefs in common.

    IMO, the issue you raise has two parts, you have addressed the need for Conservatism to understand and move toward the ethnic groups, because absolutely these groups are the ones who have more in common with us than the Democrats. In other words more alike than different. Now the other part to this, and I am not making excuses here, is that the Left pounds the message out 24/7, 365 days a year, decade after decade that they are the “friend” of these groups and we are the “foe.” This happened because for too long our leaders were unaware of the true base of the party, including btw, all of the little ‘white’ cultural social conservatives out there. So we lost ground because of ignorance on the GOP’s part and the successful assault from the Dems/Left on us as well. We need to learn from this and act on it.

    You mentioned people desiring to be members of subgroups and being separate. Part of that stems from a need by human beings to belong, and it is done by connecting and bonding to that which we are familiar – whether it is ethnic, race, gender, religion, etc. I am second generation Greek, my grandparents were immigrants, yet to this day there are enclaves in NYC (Astoria, Queens) and elsewhere, where the new arrivals from Greece and every other country in the world settles in, they keep their customs, language and ethnicity. You can tell the ethnic group changes neighborhood by neighborhood just by reading the store signs, as the language changes.

    Changes happen because of assimilation into the dominant culture and as each new generation moves out of the old neighborhood so to speak. Yet, if I go to visit in Astoria, Queens, I feel part of them, even though I cannot speak the language. I wish we could hang on to customs and culture of our ethnic heritages, but it tends to go the opposite way, simply because of this assimilation.

    One last point, you mentioned receiving an invitation to speak at your Alma Mata, Korean Student Association, go and speak and tell them your story. There could be no better way for you as a conservative activist, to begin to help change young peoples’ perception.

  • pilgrim

    conservatism as a racist, whites-only movement. Let’s get these seven candidates elected to the US House. They have already gained money and momentum, and can win.
    Les Philip
    Navraj Singh
    Van Tran
    Allen West
    Deborah Honeycutt
    Charles Djou
    David Castillo

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    to display the failure of the valueless “diversity” and “tolerance” mantras together with the failure of modern day liberalism’s economics.

    Yes, all human beings are fallen creatures after Eve bit the apple. They seek reasons to elevate themselves by tearing down others. The answer is not to make appeals to sin, but rather to elevate based on Jefferson’s and MLK’s appeal to meritocracy.

    More later and great questions but at the heart of this conundrum is that we must show those that have fallen for the vileness of the Dems is that their appeal actually demeans thru group identification by telling them they are powerless without Big Government to protect them from big bad whitey.

    We do our best in making progress as dem-lib economic policies hurt people. ObamaDems are accomodating us now.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    As far as I see it, it is laudable for progressives to be proud of their ethnic identity. On the other hand, it is unacceptable for conservatives to be proud of theirs. This is the basic problem with multiculturalism, or the elevation of every small group’s identity to dominance over the conservative majority or plurality. This is certainly not fair or just and I have no intention of obeying the rules laid down by progressives.

    In addition, as you have shown in your story, you an individual had power because you exercised it. The progressive narrative says that only certain oppressive groups have power, so that only the pre-designated oppressor groups can be racist or bigoted. Progressive history sees everything as a natural evolution of historical currents, or the actions of large groups of people, and not the acts of individuals. Conservative history allows for the great man or woman who, standing in the right place with the right lever, changes the course of the world.

    This is not acceptable to progressives, who think only groups with acceptablty progressive representatives are eligible for political representation and favors. This is an abuse against justice. It is apartheid, with preferred minorities lording it over a designated majority.

    Progressives are in power now. Everyone knows it. Progressives are the oppressors du jour. Everyone knows that. It is time to turn the rhetorical tables on progressives. Despite being a majority or plurality, conservatives can truthfully claim to be discriminated against. This is especially true for conservative minorities, who face terrible attacks from progressive race pimps and identity politicians.

    The solution is to encourage the creation of organized conservative identity groups who are united with other conservative identity groups rather than opposed to them. Remember the conservative strategy is E Pluribus Unum, as opposed to the progressive strategy of Divide and Conquer. I instinctively recoil from these identity groups, as do many conservatives, because I don’t like the way that progressive identity groups are at war both with the society around them and with other identity groups. But this is not a fundamental problem with identity groups. It is a problem with specifically progressive identity groups, because no progressive will ever believe in E Pluribus Unum.

    Let’s say we wanted to grow conservative identity groups under a few basic rules. What would those rules have to be? My immediate thoughts are:
    1. E Pluribus Unum, aka All for One and One for All, aka We Respect Each Other’s Differences And Emphasize Our Commonalities.
    2. English is the language we will use to communicate between diverse groups because it is the language already in place.
    3. We believe that all men and women were created with inalienable rights including life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness, and that government’s place is to enforce the law which protects those rights from violation. Further, we believe that each individual is responsible for the consequences of his or her own acts. Guilt is not contagious.
    4. We believe that the law, properly understood, is a mutual self-defense pact between all citizens in order to protect their inalienable rights from usurpation.
    5. We believe that all men and women who are citizens of the United States owe duties to their fellow citizens for the privilege of being citizens, and among these duties are to protect the country from invasion, to refrain from destruction of the covenant of citizenship we all share, and to obey the law by respecting the inalienable rights of others.
    6. We believe that strong and distant government presents a terrible threat to individual freedom, and the closer and weaker government is to the individual, the more it protects individual freedoms.

    The actual job of organizing conservative identity groups requires going out and doing it. There is no way to do it but to do it. There is no good reason why identity groups need to be opposed to each other. That is an artifact of the zero-sum-game government spoils system that progressives like. It creates winners and losers among identity groups, and basically reduces us to competing tribes.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    is our federal system that allows the like-minded to celebrate their diversity wothin geographic boundaries via local and state control. Liberty allows one the freedom of association. There is no legitimate reason to for govt to reward groups like victims.

  • Flagstaff

    A lot.

    The trans-fat thing hasn’t been mentioned before in my hearing.

    You could do an entire diary expanding on how conservative/classical liberal ideas are liberating for everyone who doesn’t want to be pigeonholed.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    That is why, if we are to cohabit, we all must emphasize the shared things while we respect the differences. The more we emphasize differences, the more individual, cross-group conflict we will have.

  • Leopard1996

    That having good strong black conservatives is a great start, however there needs to come from conservatives an effort to at least show that they will take seriously a charge of when a minority person’s rights have been infringed upon. For example, if someone who is black is not speeding, and doesn’t have anything wrong with their car and is pulled over just so it can be asked, “Where are you going, and where are you coming from?”, I personally would like conservatives to call for a full tranparent investigation of it before summarily dismissing it.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    Are you calling for an investigation that takes several police officers off the street for a week? Because that seems like its effect would be to prevent police officers from ever stopping anybody for any reason, even when the person they are stopping and their vehicle exactly fits the description of a suspect in a recent murder spree. Might the investigation be as cursory as having the police officer explain why he stopped whomever he stopped, to the person(s) he stopped, at the end of their interview?

    Or might the answer be restated as a preference for foot patrols of neighborhoods, so that police officers meet people and talk to them and really get to know the neighborhood and the people in it? That’s what worked in pacifying Baghdad, and certainly some parts of some US cities could be described as a low-level insurgency.

  • Leopard1996

    I would go with the cursory as having the office explain why he stopped an individual. I would totally be for foot patrols in the cities where crime is rampant. If the complaint came in after the fact still, I would like to see a more transparent resolution.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    100%

  • pilgrim
  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    I’m sure they are better than the Dems.

  • Flagstaff

    Alexander McCall Smith (my emphasis added):

    “It just goes to show how frayed are the bonds that bind us one to another in this society. It used to be that you could trust your neighbour…”

    Angus shook his head. “That was when we had a society,” he said. “That was before they dismantled the idea of community; the idea of being a nation.”

    …”The things that really bind people to one another are a shared sense of who you are — a shared identity. Common practices. Common loyalties. Those are the things that bind us together. But what is being done to those things now? They are being dismantled. Look at Christmas. Look a those think-tank people who advocated diminishing Christmas so that those who adhered to other faiths would not feel excluded. The truth of the matter, though, is that the celebration of Christmas has been going on for an awful long time in this country and is exactly one of those customs that make us a community rather than just a random collection of people who happen to live in the same place. And you can say the same thing about a hundred other manifestations of our national culture. We have a national culture, just as other countries have. We have one, and we are entitled to say that we want to preserve it. It’s a great mish-mash of social customs and observances; of ways of greeting one another; of memories of nursery rhymes and poems and people. All of that. And these wretched, arrogant relativists and pluralists are setting out — on what authority, one asks? — to dismantle it, bit by bit, so that there is nothing, absolutely nothing left. They prevent people from being who they are; they forbid them to express themselves in the name of preventing offence; Cyril’s offensive to cats, but is he to stop being a dog? They pour scorn on those who have a sense of themselves. One might weep. One might weep for everything that is being taken from us, our fundamental. basic identity as Scots, as Britons too — all of that.” —The Unbearable Lightness of Scones, pp.162-163.

    Smith seems to have hit on something here. The things that are being done in Britain (they are farther along with this than we are, perhaps), ostensibly to shore up the dignity of certain groups and make them feel part of the community, are in fact tearing down that very community and erecting walls between the groups that are much more substantial that those that may have existed before. By treating various groups (mostly ethnic) as “special,” the government and other trend-setters are actually separating them from their neighbors and alienating them from their own country in favor of their individual group. They have substituted the shared sense of being British with the lesser sense of being recognized as a group.

    As they’re doing in Britain, we are also creating enclaves within our nation that prevent their members from realizing their greater membership in the nation. It’s not a Supreme Court that stands up for all the people, it’s individual Justices who stand in for a particular ethnic group. Public policy isn’t directed at improving the lot of all, it’s aimed at providing special services to curry favor with a voting bloc. The fact that it’s easier to manipulate people whose loyalty is to a smaller group than those who are loyal to a nation might have something to do with those policies, might it not?

    And it’s not “Merry Christmas” any more, it’s “Happy Holidays.” It’s counter-intuitive to think that “Merry Christmas” is inclusive while “Happy Holidays” is exclusive, but it’s true, is it not? If I say “Merry Christmas” I’m actually inviting someone else into my world to share something special, while “Happy Holidays” says, “I don’t know you. You go your way and I’ll go mine. I’m a bit afraid of you, anyway, so I sure won’t take a chance on offending you with a Christmas greeting.”

    If that’s all correct, anything we do as conservatives to ingratiate ourselves to ethnic minorities must be something that emphasizes their membership in the greater society, not something that separates them further, if only for the practical reason that it would separate them further from us.