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McCain – Hayworth – Deakin debate–Well??

I realize McCain has a sizable lead, however I’m just curious to see how many people here watched the debate and what were the general thoughts. Who did it help? Did it hurt anybody? Will another debate really change any opinions. I’ve read a few pundits here and there on the net today but I was hoping to get more from actual voting people. The comments to various stories in the papers generally reflected the bias of the individual paper or the people had their mind set prior to the debate and just wanted to take cheap shots at the various candidates without putting forth any real information.

Was waiting for someone to write a diary but I didn’t see one. If there is one and I’ve missed it, please forgive me.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Or non-participation, as the case may be.

    In the primary, it’s all about Get Out The Vote the old-fashioned way, at the precinct level.

    In 2008, 31 per cent of the precinct committeeman slots were filled in Maricopa County and now, going into the 2010 election cycle, less than 50 per cent are filled. Those ratios are about the same statewide. Most of the new PCs are conservatives recruited from the grass roots conservative/tea party groups, and most will Get Out The Vote for Hayworth. In my opinion, if Deakin stays in the race, he may drain away enough votes from Hayworth that McCain will win the primary. Classic — two conservatives split the vote so the RINO wins.

    I know mbecker says McCain will win by 20+ percentage points, and he may be right, but my unscientific gut reaction tells me that there will be a large push by the conservative grass roots groups to try to Get Out The Vote for Hayworth — almost all of the leaders of those groups whom I’ve talked to have said they are going to earnestly ask their members to be realistic and not throw away their votes by voting for Deakin. Of course, McCain with his millions of dollars (which he won’t be able to shower on other RINOs around the country but will have to spend on his own race) will also be attempting to Get Out The Vote.

    Frankly, I’m surprised McCain agreed to the debates — if he was such a shoo-in in the primary, he would not have.

    Time will tell.

    Don’t blame me if McCain wins the primary

    There’s about 700,000 registered Republicans in Maricopa County, with about 6,500 PC slots to represent them inside the Party. About 2,900 of those slots are filled. So, we’ve got about 697,000 registered Republicans who are just too damned busy with other stuff to get involved in party politics where it really matters. There has to be 3,600 conservatives among those 697,000, but they just don’t seem to want to get involved or don’t know that they’re needed.

    If McCain wins the primary, I’ll blame all the do-nothing conservative Republicans in the state.

    If McCain wins the primary, and goes back to the Senate, and then engineers his latest iteration of amnesty for illegal aliens, and his latest iteration of cap & tax, and his latest iteration of “campaign finance reform, etc., don’t blame me.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that

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  • mbecker908

    The bottom line is that JD was down 33 points going into the debate. You can read my analysis on “why” here but when all is said and done, he has two opportunities to make BIG headlines and drive a stake through McCain’s heart. Anything less than a total wipe out in the debates and McCain wins very big.

    We’re now 18 hours and counting since the debate last night. There has been absolutely zero commentary on the debate in the local newspapers in either Phoenix or Tucson. Channel 3 (who hosted the debate last night) has the videos up on their site along with a column from [drum roll] Associated Press.

    There were analysis last night in the New York Times blog and today at Politico. Both of them basically said, noise, smoke and no damage. Frankly, I doubt if anybody whose mind isn’t already made up (primarily for JD) even watched. When all was said and done, it was a non-event.

    Let’s see what happens tonight in Tucson, I’m guessing more of the same. I doubt McCain will win by 30. Twenty is looking better all the time though.

  • SteveLA

    Tngal

    The little I watched was the same old act. JD huffing and puffing, JohnnyMac smiling and zinging…badly.

    I tend to think McCain played this well, late in the process and he’s really have to step on it badly to change many minds. Those supporters of JD don’t seem to have anything positive to say about what he would bring to the table, just that they hate McCain.

    One thing though, JD is probably going to feel some heat after the election from the powers that be that are friends of JohnnyMac. JD better start looking for gainful employment as a Circus Geek or something befitting his talents for after the election. Old JohnnyMac does play for keeps and JD is going to find out how much so after the election.

  • mbecker908

    From todays AZ Republic

    from Politico

    from HotAir… and note that this one went up on the HA front page at 6:30pm MST last night and there are still only 216 comments. I didn’t read them all, but I didn’t find a one that noted that JD got anything like a knockout blow. Or even a really decent punch.

    It was just a pissing contest and really, nobody got wet.

  • mbecker908

    McCain is up 64 to 19 in the latest poll. That’s 43, not 33.

  • mbecker908

    All that’s left is to bury JD’s body somewhere other than Arizona.

    McCain didn’t win either debate. Neither did JD. Two cat fights. Lots of noise and fur, no real damage as long they stay away from the furniture.

  • tngal

    I don’t know much about Deakin so I gather he was a non-event And , um, becker you’d better stop counting. 64-19? The next time you look JD may be in negative territory if that’s possible. Like 84 to -6 or something.

  • Doc Holliday

    JD has wasted a lot of good intentioned (or bad intentioned) people’s money and time. They should have sent that money to Angle.

  • bs61

    But after the debate, and seeing Hayworth always in attack mode and the smarmy talk, I just cannot! I liked Deakin, just didn’t want to throw my vote away – however, now I will.

    In November, I will vote for Nolan a libertarian that I like so not to vote McCain!

    Let’s hope Deakin will come back wildly from behind to surprise everyone! I sure would love to see the looks on the people in DC when he speaks the truth. :o )

  • Doc Holliday
  • mbecker908

    He should have run for state office first.

    I really don’t think JD will lose by 40. But it won’t be close.

  • mbecker908

    Channel 3 website. They don’t seem to be loading for squat, but this is the only source I’m aware of.

    They also have this little snippet…

    PHOENIX — Political strategist Dennis Welch of the Arizona Guardian says there wasn’t a “clear winner” in Friday night’s GOP debate, “but if I had to pick one, it

  • Doc Holliday
  • tngal

    A couple of months ago hayworth was within striking distance so to speak. And please don’t say it was because of one informercial where he told people how to get free money. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do. He’s got a voice for spots. He was in braodcasting. Heck, I was in broadcasting. You take the money to do a spot when it comes up. McCain’s treachery on amnesty was way worse and cannot be undone. And really, while I like Sarah, her endorsement of McCain wasn’t enough to swing my opinion one way or the other.

    Now, I can’t vote for or aginast one or the other. II’m just wondering what;s going on in AZ that would make McCain so well loved by all, or Hayworth so horrible. Is it more money for McCain? If you say he’s been a great legislator bringing home the bacon for Arizona and that’s why he’s well loved, fine, I’ll accept it. If you say he’s the lesser of two evils, we’ve screwed up somewhere.

  • mbecker908

    You can refer to stuff I’ve written, the latest is linked above.

    The bottom line is looks like this in no particular order…

    • AZ is NOT a red state, we’re purple. A small conservative slice, mostly moderate, and a good sized slice of libertarians.
    • The most conservative voters in the state, which JD would have to win overwhelmingly, are seniors. To them McCain is a national hero and he’s viewed as “one of them”. JD won’t make a dent with them.
    • JD is perceived by the voters in Maricopa County – Phoenix – as a tiresome whiner. Comes from his thousands of appearances on Fox when he was in the House. It’s why he lost in 06.
    • Most of the voters have a grudging respect for McCain personally even if they don’t like his policies. Those same voters have a visceral personal dislike for JD and he’s never done much to brag about.
    • The media hates JD. They’re ambivilant towards McCain.
    • JD’s talk show was no big deal in Phoenix and he couldn’t get a syndication deal even with national name recognition. Because he’s a whiner.
  • conservativecrusade

    that he is as an embarrassing of a contender for McCain as McCain was for Obama. I was embarrassed that McCain was the best we could throw against Obama, and am as equally embarrassed that in such a great state as Arizona, JD is the best they could find to put up against McCain. This was the one time we could have probally fired old John, but we failed to put up someone who could win and that was not a nut job.

  • tngal

    In March Rasmussen reported McCain had 48, Hayworth 41, April, (Ras) had McCain 47 , with Hayworth at 42. Are they nose to nose. No, but I call it withing striking distance. Brown with that kind of distance.

    To be open…other pollsters including KOS and R2000 had other numbers, But even PPP only had an 11 point difference at the end of April.

    Yes these are old numbers but to say he was “NEVER” in striking distance isn’t fair to Hayworth or maybe to Rasmussen. To your point I did say “a couple” of months ago which implies two, when I should have had several months or at the start of the campaign or something to that effect. .

    Ok. Now you can hit me with something.

    (and you know RCP keeps records of this right)

  • tngal

    oops. Left out “won” . Should read; “Brown won with that kind of distance”. as in scott brown.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    AZ is purple. Too many libs live there and too many non-libs are focused on personalities and puny pork rather than how McCain and JD have voted on major issues in the past that actually affect their lives (see wallets), and how they would likely vote in the future.

    Maybe two more years of ObamaDems will get them to focus on empty wallets rather than looking at politicians as a TV show to judge. These people VOTE yea and nay and simple issues. That’s what matters. Not TV appearances. McCain votes wrong too much. The choice is easy. JD votes right.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    but Brown beat a radical, uber-feminist, closet socialist. I’m not sure if the same dynamics apply.

  • mbecker908

    because Martha thought she was getting the seat through the Divine Right of Kings & Massachusetts Democrats and forgot there was an election. Brown worked his ass off for months and Martha went on vacation. She also spent all her money winning the primary because she “just knew” she’d only need about $15.00 to beat whoever the sacrificial lamb was. After all, this was Teddy Kennedy’s seat.

    The fact that Martha happens to be one of the most inept (stupid?) politicians ever didn’t hurt.

    Here in AZ, JD – unlike Brown in MA – is both well known and viscerally and personally disliked by voters. Brown is a very engaging guy personally, JD isn’t. McCain – unlike Martha – didn’t take Hayworth lightly and had a huge pot of money v. Hayworth’s huge pot of debt.

    Additionally, Brown caught fire nationally as a new face who might be able to stick our collective thumb in TheOne’s eye at the same time Martha was ignoring everybody. That could not happen here.

    The only time this was “close” was Nov 09 when JD wasn’t running and people were just pissed off at McCain and even then McCain was up by two.

    Check out the Magellan polling – the link is in the above linked blog of mine – especially the “image” part. People “like” McCain. They don’t feel that way about JD at all, his fav/unf is totally upside down.

  • Doc Holliday

    Hayworth is a “as seen on tv huckster”. those that bought into his campaign, were just the latest sheep to slaughter.

    You and I bot have our qualms about McCain, but we both realized when this started it would be a big waste of time and money. Now people are not saying Hayworth will win, but there was a snapshot in time when he was within striking distance lol. Don’t Republicans have better things to do at this point?

  • mbecker908

    the striking distance thingy, assuming they don’t know the conditions on the ground vis-a-vis Hayworth and they’re just looking one poll.

    The real dinger is that most of the people making all the noise about Hayworth beating McCain don’t know their you-know-what from a hole in the ground, and I’d bet some of ‘em couldn’t pick out Arizona on a map of the US.

    The most interesting note is that this diary hasn’t attracted ANY of the Hayworth ideologues.

  • mbecker908

    Mac a real run and might have won. But they didn’t and I don’t know why.

    Other than than your analysis is right on the money.

  • aesthete

    that mbeck, myself, and other AZ residents on RedState have made, but on the ground conditions, a candidate’s temperament and personality, campaigning, local politics, and name recognition all matter much more than a candidate’s ideology and commitment to the same (though in JD’s case, I can’t say he was much better than McCain as far as conservatism goes). Shadegg and Flake are two great candidates who would have performed strongly against McCain. JD was never going to. Unfortunately, every penny that went to the Hayworth campaign was money wasted: it is money that could have gone into flipping three of our seats back to R with strong conservative candidates, or that could have gone to any number of races across the country with strong conservative challengers.

  • practicedcynic

    JD pointed out that republicans led by mc-cane did not try to force a reading of the health care bill, thus exposing it for what a monster it is. He should have elaborated and point out why people are angry with pols. They are part of the wash DC mob and do not rep their home state enough.

  • JX12

    I can’t stand McCain, and the thought has actually crossed my mind to vote for him in the primary anyway just so I don’t contribute to a Democrat pick-up in November (although, with a 64-19 lead for McCain, I suspect I’m probably okay casting my principled vote for JD anyway). I know that sounds awful, but the reality on the ground is, AZ is indeed a purple state, and a Democrat could very easily defeat Hayworth – not because he’s “too conservative,” but because he rubs too many Arizonans (liberal and conservative alike) the wrong way. He just does. Harry Mitchell shouldn’t have been able to win dog catcher in that Congressional district, and yet he still unseated Hayworth. People had just grown weary of him, and the whole earmark & Abramoff thing didn’t help.

  • aesthete

    by the traditional definition: it’s more an “odd” state like Minnesota. The closest I would come to categorizing it would be libertarianish; we have a lot of hippies, stoners, ranchers, and retirees who broadly fit the “leave us alone” profile. That said, we have several enclaves of batsh*t insanity (Exhibit A: Sedona, AZ) comprised of hippies, angry astronomers, and other ornery types. Then you have Tucson (where I live). Suffice it to say, the only reason they haven’t erected a statue of Stalin is because he’s too white and doesn’t do drugs. It is probably the most liberal city in the Western US (and I include CA’s major metropolitan areas), and gives the various liberal cities on the East Coast a run for their money. The only reason that AZ could be classified as “conservative” would be Goldwater’s popularity here, and the fact that conservatives are more likely to want to leave people alone than the libs are, and the libertarians are thus more likely to cast their lot with them.

  • mbecker908

    whoever wins the Republican Senate Primary will win the General, hands down. Even Deakin could win the General. The Dems are in a total state of disarray, they have no money to contest the Senate Seat, they’re going to have a tough enough time defending three House seats. Oh, and they’re going to nominate the Mexican Lenin from Tucson.

    In a “normal” year though, I agree that Hayworth would lose the General. I don’t think he could beat Terry Goddard and I doubt he’d beat Harry Mitchell.

  • JSobieski

    thats why people think the state is more red than the reality

  • JX12

    As far as state politics is concerned, AZ elected – and then re-elected – Janet Napolitano. Okay, so the Republicans ran anemic campaigns against her, but still.

    Jan Brewer’s just finishing Napolitano’s second term, and Terry Goddard would probably be elected Governor this year had Brewer not been handed the gift of SB1070 (the health care overhaul didn’t hurt her chances, either).

  • tngal

    to know why he failed so miserably. And from what I’m seeing, he basically carried too much local baggage and wasn’t a good campaigner.

    Well, looks like you guys get the “maverick” or “loose cannon” or whatever his moniker is for another term. Enjoy. Not making fun or anything, we’ve got our own issues with the ‘blue dogs’ we’re trying to keep off the porch over here in TN.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    After he gets safely reelected Johnny Mac is going to go back to his old ways real fast. He will continue to fight against Obama with words, and then try to stick it to every Republican plan every chance he gets.

    I finally figured him out. He is that guy who wants to be in control and will delibertly sabotoge anyone else’s plan if it looks like it might work.

    We all ran into these kind of people before. Unless he can be in charge, he is the anti-team player.

  • rrreaganite

    is that people really do like/respect McCain in Arizona. JD is not liked and people don’t want to vote for someone who they think is an embarrassment. Say what you will about John McCain (Amnesty, etc) but he still is an honorable man who people really admire.

  • tngal

    HE knows that WE know he can be squishy. He may be under the impression that’s what AZ voters want. I’d have him sign something before I voted for him. Something to the effect of “I promise to give up my seat to a real conservative immediately if I ever vote for amnesty or pathway to citizenship”. Of course list a few other things in there you don’t want him to vote for. Put his bal…feet to the fire.

  • mbecker908

    Only because of Obama. McCain seems to have found his niche throwing sand into the President’s shorts (both of the last two) and I think he likes the role. He could actually be an effective fighter against Obama’s agenda. Note I didn’t say “for conservatives”. Obviously I’m trying to look on the bright side, but if he decides to make O’s life miserable, he could be pretty effective for a while.

    The other “possible positive” is that he does have some pull in the Republican caucus and specifically with the likes of Scott Brown. Obviously he didn’t pull any weight on the Dodd bill with Brown, but it’s possible that he could turn him a tad to the right on some issues. Said Becker looking for any reason for hope.

  • mbecker908

    Napolitano ran against Matt Salmon who, IMO, was a great conservative candidate. He’s also a “nice guy” and refused to go on the attack, running a low key issues campaign. As far as you went in your comment you were right. But the real zinger in ’02 (which, as you’ll recall was a pretty good year nationally for Republicans and in AZ Kyl was reelected with a strong margin) Napolitano won the Gov’s race with less than 50% and by less than one point. The tipping point for her, IMO, was the endorsement she got from Joe Arpaio. It gave her the cover to be a “conservative Democrat”.

    In 06 I had some foolish hopes for Len Muncil, another great conservative and lousy candidate, and she got 70% of the vote.

    You’re right on the money about Brewer. I think Dean Martin could have given her a real run in the Primary but for 1070, which you’ll recall nobody knew even knew if she’d sign until the moment she signed it. Our budget (hers) is a disaster and it’ll be significantly worse the next time out.

  • mbecker908

    Again, JD needed a complete knockout. He didn’t lay a glove on McCain. Just try to find a local story on the debates.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • mbecker908

    And those who are “libs” are pretty well confined to Tucson and Sedona. The libertarians outnumber the libs probably 20 to 1 but most of them don’t really know they’re libertarians.

    And JD is no more a conservative than McCain is. Especially given the three most prominent issues of the day – money, money, money. And on those issues JD votes consistently on the wrong side.

    Honest, you can have back. He’ll need a job by the first of September. I think you mentioned once he was a weatherman in your fair state? Is the job available?

  • aesthete

    Sadly, about 99% of the country doesn’t agree with me and you.

  • aesthete

    McCain is a non-intellectual contrarian: he prides himself in not having an ideological core, getting along with his buddies in DC, and in his general orneriness. Throwing burning bags of poop on the porch of whoever’s in charge is what McCain lives for, and I also think that Obama irritates him on a personal level. IMO, unless the next R President is one of “his” picks (Tim Pawlenty, maybe Palin), he’s going to be a jerk to that President, too. (I’m not sure how effective he’ll be as a caucus “leader”, though; he seems to like building “consensus” wherever he can find it. Graham is pretty much his one and only lapdog in the Senate, and I doubt he has pull in the House.)

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    the barber’s patter sucked.

    I haven’t watched local news in 25 years…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    by JD. I could list many by McCain.

  • mbecker908

    moderate R’s thrown in for good measure.

    Out and out liberals only get elected in Tucson. Which, BTW, is where the D Senatorial nominee will come from and he make Marx look like Reagan.

    Tucson has the House Member who is generally recognized as THE most liberal person in the House.

  • mbecker908

    McCain will win by 20+. For all the reasons I’ve cited over and over. And virtually all of them have to do with JD’s negatives which are huge. Check the Magellan poll.

  • takemccain2

    Since when?

    I think you could argue that he had some respect from people prior to the 2000 primary for the GOP nomination where he basically showed his tactlessness for people who disagreed with him, attacked religious leaders for apparently no logical reason and basically acted like a sore loser for 8 years doing everything he could to derail anything that George W Bush supported.

    You call that honorable?

    How about his OUTRIGHT LYING about his position on border security and his OUTRIGHT LYING about supporting amnesty, which is what he supported?

    I suppose in a world that you can imagine by shutting your eyes, clicking your heels together, believing that up is down, day is night, 2+2=5 and anything you touches turns to gold the SURE, I guess you can say that Senator ‘I’ll build the g*$damned fence although I think it is least affective’ McCain is honorable.
    Meanwhile for us in the real world, that word – honorable – actually means something and McCain doesn’t have any of it.

    If you guys in Arizona send this lying, narcissistic scumbag back to DC, don’t be shocked when he chuckles and pokes you in the eyes again.

    On immigration, McCain has betrayed your state and your country, not served them.

  • mbecker908

    and venting. I hope you save a whole bunch of money on analysis because that’s the only advantage you could possibly have going for you.

    I don’t like McCain either, but as I’ve noted – with the attendant reasons that I’m not going to rehash – JD Hayworth is absolutely the worst possible candidate that could have run against him. Shadegg or Flake could have given him a real run and possibly beaten him. JD stands no chance, and stood no chance when people first started talking about him running.

    Please refer to the Magellan polling done in late June on this race. It will tell you everything you need to know about the race. The bottom line from the Magellan Summary is here…

    Among likely Republican primary voters in Arizona, Senator John McCain leads former Congressman JD Hayworth by 23 points, 52% to 29%, 14% support

  • mbecker908

    but, as with McCain, you can’t beat even a bad something with a really bad nothing. Hopefully we’ll start concentrating on recruitment because until that happens McCain and Graham, etal will be the norm.

  • aesthete

    look like a member of the USMC by comparison. He’s the architect of the original, single-payer HCR draft, is incredibly racist, partisan, buys every conspiracy theory under the Sun (he’s, unsurprisingly, both a Truther and a JFK conspiracy nut), and actively advocates for disobedience and secession. In other words, he’s everything progressives wish Tea Partiers were.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    it is so disappointing to see non-democrats engage in the same practice of emotion-based voting that focuses on electing pols they “like” as if they are rating a TV show. I used to accuse Dems that liked Clinton better than Bush because he was better speaker on TV.

    I went into writing after my conversion to fight to CHANGE this. To try and persuade people to vote based on how the votes of pols affect their wallets and national security. I did not get into writing to give up because of polls or actual losses.

    I don’t deny your predictions. But after 5 years here don’t you know just because a poll shows people are voting wrong that I don’t give up. Aren’t you glad Reagan didn’t give up after he lost a race or two and didn’t change back to a lib due to polls?

    The polls confirm that more work needs to be done in AZ if JD’s personal negatives outweigh McCain’s destructive votes and it would be better if all conservatives joined in the education process rather than piling on and indulging votes based on irrelevant matters.

    Especially in this recession age, we haven’t the luxury to indulge petty personal matters that don;t relate to the actual job description.

    I think its funny that so many cite polls to me all the time as if all I do is put my finger in the air and predict. I rarely predict and when I do its about longer term trends that precede polls that any idiot can read I link. And I sign them Cockstradamus.

    I am a side-taker and persuader, not a poll follower.

    God bless

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • aesthete

    but understand that, in the present, the ideal situation where citizens vote based on policy and substantive issues has not arrived, and probably won’t for some time, if ever. Would America given Reagan a chance had he had, say, Keith Olbermann’s personality and charm?

    Secondly, as has been noted several times, JD isn’t a conservative; he’s at best a reliable R vote (being a conservative and a reliable R is not synonymous, as the Bush years unfortunately proved). He voted for Sarbanes-Oxley, NCLB, Medicare Part D (the largest entitlements expansion since LBJ’s “Great Society”), the much-maligned highway appropriations bill, an expansion to McCain-Feingold, and many, many others. For crying out loud, pols have been branded RINOs here and elsewhere for far less! JD has less than zero credibility on spending, and if I should be so short, the only time he cares about government spending when a starving immigrant is accessing it in lieu of an affluent citizen, or when a D President is initiating it.

  • aesthete

    It’s hard to be hyperbolic in describing how awful he is.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    last comment confuses me. Who is worse than Pelosi? And if you say JD, I’m afraid my eyes will roll at 360 degrees!

  • aesthete

    My CongressCritter, and the best argument for absolute monarchy available in the continental US. That’s who I was referencing above, not the Mav or JD, though neither is on my superfriends list.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • aesthete

    so yeah, I’m voting Goldwater.

  • bs61

    I may vote Nolan, a libertarian in November. He’s the one who did the Nolanchart site!

  • bs61

    I just don’t know if I should vote for regular guy Deakin – or smarmy man JD.