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By: tokm908 (Diary)  |  October 13th, 2009 at 01:24 PM  | 

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091013/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul

I think we should take this opportunity to let Olympia Snowe what we think of her now since she has voted in favor of Obamacare.

This can be done here –> http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorSnowe.Email

I think we should start a movement to have her resign as a Republican United States Senator.  She has shown us all she is a turncoat and has zero loyalty to the Republican party as well as the United States.  Inching us even closer to a Socialized United States should condemn her as a valid form of representation of the Republicans.  Let this be a sign to all Republicans in office right now that if they move in the direction of Socialism we will end their career.

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  • lawguy9801

    “When history calls, history calls.”

    She wants to be popular, on the “right side of history.” Selling out her consituents and making health insurance more expensive for them apparently is not on her radar screen.

    We have to stop this.

    • tokm908

      Agreed. We need to make an example out of her.

      Not to mention that who in their right mind implements a new entitlement program during a huge recession?! The people in Washington are not representing the people of the United States. Instead they are pandering to the special interests.

    • Jack_Savage

      History called, and she will be remembered, but not nearly in the positive way she believes.
      What a complete breach of faith. She has been the crticical vote TWICE to write checks that our children and grandchildren will have to honor.

    • LibertarianHawk

      I’m thinking that the best we’re going to be able to do is prevent the “public option” from becoming law. And even that would be a significant achievement.

      There is no stopping the reform altogether, though….even considering how much it’s going to cost people.

      Conservatives have done all we can do to impact the legislation. Stopping it at this point would require an uproar from different sectors of the electorate.

      • Xasteius
        • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

          If he votes for cloture, then his promised vote against the bill is mere posturing.

          • leftylurker

            I think that 10 dems are going to get to vote against the bill in exchange for their cloture votes. Gives them right flank cover and a left flank victory.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            With all the trolls that have run amok here in recent times, it’s good to have a reasoning observer from outside commenting again.

          • leftylurker

            I had to go away for awhile, because I was too angry over the healthcare debate. I didn’t want to act like a troll myself.

            I’ve spent the past 6 months dealing with the bean counters at Aetna who have really developed some creative 3rd party beneficiary theories to deny my daughter her health care.

            I feel better now though. We won. But I can’t imagine how hard it would have been for a zero lawyer family.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            …and some who act in good faith. I’ve encountered both, but haven’t had a fight like you’ve apparently been through.

            The problem when I boil down all the debate is that government running things is worse. And the idea that government is somehow purer that “profit making businesses” is sheer delusion.

            With private business, you know the money motivations. With the government, the money is hidden behind the stage out of public sight driving the decisions. With businesses, competitors will punish idiocy whereas government doubles down and rewards it.

            The worse combination is big business buying politicans to freeze out competition via government’s coercive powers, which is what is fast happening under the curent administration (though past Congresses haven’t done so great either). In its extreme form it becomes crony capitalism or good-ol’ Corporatism.

            And the health initiatives under consideration in the bills seem designed to promote such trends. Not to mention all the other easily foreseeable “unintended consequences” contained therein. And the worst perhaps is that we won’t see the real damage because it will be in the category of advances and treatment that never get a chance to see the light of day.

            Best would be for a state to figure out how to do things right rather than following a path that has always led to failure in the past. We’ve got 50 of them, which opens the door to quite a number of experiments. Anecdotes (on both sides) make good polemical stories but poor policy.

          • leftylurker

            I would be happy if I could bill Aetna for my time dealing with their incompetence.

            Obviously there are going to be reasonable disagreements over policy and whatnot, but really, it was crazy for me to have to deal with them as much as I did.

            I hear you on the state solution, but how do we prevent a rush to the bottom like we have with credit cards. Couldn’t the companies all move to the state that provides the least regulation? I don’t think we need a government plan, but we do need some sort of way to keep the companies honest.

            I don’t really want to pay for everyone else’s health care, but I know I’m paying for it in my premuims and my taxes because people do crazy stuff like go to the ER for antibiotics and ordering 100 tests because they’re afraid of bogus lawsuits. I

          • Spartan4Life

            I take him at his word. He rightly points out that by raising taxes on insurers that those costs are just going to be passed through to consumers.

            He also said that tough economic times are not the time to do this. Sounds like points I would make.

      • http://aol reginagroves424

        We the People are just about fed up and underestimated the press doesn”t tell you of the people at the tea parties but it makes a splash about the Gay Movement Oct 17th there is goin to be Teaparties held at news stations and News papers protesting the non Coverage of news by the government run LIberals

      • tokm908

        I disagree. There are enough Americans out there who want to keep the fruits of their labor. We are not a leftist country by any means, we just have people who ran in the center but were really leftists in disguise. The 9.12 march on Washington showed that there are a TON of us, and I know there no way I’m giving in to these career politicians that live by ‘do as I say, not as I do’. It will be a cold cold day in hell before I stop fighting for my freedom.

  • General_Confusion

    The party leadership will do NOTHING and will fully fund her re-election campaign when the time comes. Just see Arlen Specter for details.

    (Remember this is the same party that thought it was CRITICAL to support him over a conservative primary challenger until he jumped ship for his true party. As long as the Republican party FULLY supports Democrats running as Republicans how can we expect those RINOs to do anything differently when they are continually RICHLY rewarded for their disloyalty?)

  • http://aol reginagroves424

    We were informed she has raised 4 millin dollars for her re election bid and basically she don’t care what Arkansas think so I told her she just committed political suicide if she votes for that bill and I was informed it was her decision
    She never said which way she would vote but since shes Obamas little darling I can imagine and then there will be a Petion for her to resign.
    I would suggest that all voters get petions goin and I don’t mean internet pink slips
    It’s time to take down the protest signs and get up the election signs

  • LibertarianHawk

    If anybody actually expected Sen. Snowe to do anything else, I’d wonder what led them to think that.

    I’d have been pleasantly surprised had she opposed the measure. But I resigned myself long ago to the likelihood that she’d be on this train.

    I’m not going to lash out and be angry with her. She is what she is and rather than getting all bent out of shape about that, it’s best just to accept that.

    It’s not as if we could ever expect the state of Maine to produce anything better for us.

  • LibertarianHawk

    …I look at it a different way. And it’s different from Specter’s situation.

    Specter’s from Pennsylvania — which is a state that can conceivably send conservative people to Congress. It has in the past, and it remains a distinct possibility.

    Maine, though, is a bridge too far. Whether the national party supports her reelection campaigns or not, it’s likely that she and Collins are about the best we could expect to get. That’s a quite liberal state.

    The only misgiving I have about the GOP giving her money is that it means less money for candidates in other areas that might conceivably give us a more conservative Republican caucus.

  • General_Confusion

    It may not come before the Senate at all thanks to Snowe.

  • LibertarianHawk

    And, if she does vote for the healthcare overhaul, you can probably read that to mean that she has also resigned herself to the likelihood that she isn’t going to be reelected no matter what she does.

    She’s probably the most vulnerable Senate Democrat incumbent up for reelection in 2010.

  • http://aol reginagroves424

    Blanche has the attitude that Obama has a cut above she is the type that has forgot where she came from . As a Arkansas voter I can tell you where shes goin

  • General_Confusion

    Sure we get an

  • Illinicon

    She has voted with the Democrats 75% percent of time on party line votes this year. Yeah, I know its Maine and the odds of getting a Reagan Republican are not strong, but we should atleast expect that if our a Republican that you should atleast vote with the party more than 1 out of every 4 party line votes? Though the larger issue is that we are not maximizing our potential in what our safe red seats. Whether its having moderates in Southern seats (Alexander, Hutchinson, Isakson, Graham and Lemouiex/Martinez) or having no seats from states where we should have atleast 1 if not both seats (Arkansas, Colorado, North Dakota and Montana). That makes 2010 critical is that we have a chance to upgrade seats we do have in Florida, Ohio, and Texas even we if only gain 2 or 3 seats.

  • LibertarianHawk

    Can we establish an agreed premise that we’re never going to see a genuinely conservative Senator from the state of Maine?

    It’s possible we could see a slightly less liberal Senator from that state. But not much less.

    So what’s the party to do? I mean: a party’s primary job is to field electable candidates. And that means that the GOP either has to write off places like Maine or otherwise support liberals like her and Collins. It also means that Democrats either have to write off some more conservative areas or support more conservative Democrats.

    Like I said: it’s a shame that national money would go to somebody like Snowe that could be put to better use helping cash-strapped conservative candidates elsewhere.

    But, beyond that, I can’t fault the party for supporting her. Because the realistic alternatives to her are just as bad, if not even worse.

    More than anything, it just fires me up to supporting more conservatives in areas where conservatives can win. We don’t need to disown Olympia Snowe. We need to outnumber her.

  • http://aol reginagroves424

    All repubs need to aim at Snowe thats twice she has voted for the Dems she needs to be one

  • General_Confusion

    My belief is having her

  • cwilson

    with a Senator who votes with us only on unimportant issues, while voting with THEM on all the important ones, does MORE damage than just that inflicted by her votes per se.

    How can we run as the “Save American Health Care” party, when we prominently support a Republican complicit in killing it via this “Reform”?

    Votes are more than just votes: they are signals. And the Republican Party leadership’s reaction to those votes are even bigger signals: what do we believe in, when words meet action?

    Are our stances on things like fiscal sanity, economic liberty, health care, growth of government, immigration enforcement, judicial restraint, etc — just words? If we’re trying to convince voters that we really mean it, Snowe and her ilk DO NOT HELP. They HURT, far in excess of their single vote.

  • Vegas_Rick

    that Snowe is of little or no value to conservatives. Now then, why not just replace that ole “R” with a “D”. They still get the liberal vote and we don’t have to abide traitors. :)

  • http://aol reginagroves424

    Come 2010 Blanche and Pryor will be turned over but the other guy that is getting out spent so far

  • Spartan4Life

    Now that’s funny. That’s like if Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize or something like that.

    Welcome to bizzaro world.

  • LibertarianHawk

    That’s an argument I can mostly buy.

    But some people seem to approach this subject from the standpoint that we actually could get a “real Republican” in either of Maine’s Senate seats….the party just has to stop supporting her and Collins and start supporting somebody else.

    So it may well be that her and Collins’ seats are better off in Democrat hands. That is something I could be persuaded to agree with on the grounds that they muddle the party’s message and brand (not to mention being an unreliable vote on virtually everything).

    I, personally, think that if conservatives have to rely on RINOs in order to get anything done, then we’re not going to get anything done.

    As I said, what we need to focus our energy on is electing conservatives — preferably Republicans — in as many places they can win as possible….thus making the Snowes’ and Collins’ of the world irrelevant.

  • LibertarianHawk

    …I’d have no problem conceding that the Maine seat(s) may well be better off in Democrat hands….whether by Snowe/Collins or somebody else. After all, it’s Maine voters who elect them….not conservatives or Republicans from wherever.

    And, yeah, I’d rather she vote the way I want her to vote on these things. But I stopped actively hoping for that a long time ago, and I don’t think I ever expected it.

    So I’m not going to get bent out of shape when she votes the way I *do* expect her to vote.

    As far as the RNC and RSC are concerned, I think it’s their job to field as many competitive candidates in races as possible. I don’t think it’s their job to ensure that the conservative agenda is being advanced.

    All that said, I don’t think the Democratic Party fears losing its brand as the “party of big government” because of Ben Nelson & Co. Nor should they.