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“But he’s Black!”

By: Tony_Cruz (Diary) | May 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 PM |

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I came to Texas to visit my birth mom and meet my two baby sisters.

She woke up this morning and came in wearing a Barack Obama shirt. At my look of disgust she said (in spanish), “Don’t tell me you don’t like Obama!?”

“No. I don’t like idiots.”

“But he’s Black!”

Ladies and gentlemen. The reasons the disillusioned people of America thought he was the right choice.

She then went ahead to call me a racist.

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isabella2

During the election I met a young black man who had just voted and I asked him a few questions.
“Was he aware of triple down economics”?
“What’s that”? So, I explained what it was.
After anwering him, He said, ” You mean I could loose my job”?
Question number 2…
” Do you support abortion”? ” How about partial birth abortion”?
He knew what abortion was all about and he was against abortion.
When I explained to him what partial birth abortion was , he was shocked.

At the end of our conversation, or q and a, I held his arm and said,
” I think you voted because of the color of the man’s skin without knowing the issues”.
He was shocked.

My question to many…. how many people voted for Obama because of the color of his skin unaware of the issues.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

and about 99.99% of all that pulled the JackAss lever.
jeffreywturner

They voted for Obama because of the party label appearing after his name.

The normal Dem share of the black vote is 90% and this time it was 95%, so you could probably say that about 5% of blacks voted for Obama due to race.

Now, turnout is another story. Certainly I think it is clear that record turnout on the part of blacks was due to Obama’s race, but the number of blacks voting for Obama, who would have actually voted Republican had it not been for Obama’s race, is very small I think.

That said, I also think it is clear that Obama would not be President if he weren’t a black guy. The reason I say this is that he would never been nominated if he were white. I mean without overwhelming support and turnout in the Democratic primaries from black voters, Obama would have had no chance against Hillary. He barely eeeked it out as it is.

Rod_Patrick

Well, she’s still your mom. It would be difficult to convince “moms” but I think it’s worth a try.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Insisting that one must identify with the Race that “appears” to be dominant (and that can go either way) denies the other Race and is JUST NOT FACTUAL (but often “PC” and just plain easier for peoples delicate sensibilities). There will be plenty that will insist on RACE-BAITING further and declare Mulatto as being “RACIST” … you know, the usual PC way to avoid facts and allow them to live in their – something has to fit in this or that “Box” mentality.

There are MANY Mulatto Americans and the RESPECT of/for both of their Parents should be recognized.

And I will remind everyone again as I did all through the Election – It is about the CONTENT OF ONES CHARACTER. And those of us that paid attention understood this THUG character from his ACTIONS over his rhetoric…. 2008 Election Issues recap [with links]

but since everyone had to insist on the “Blackness”…. and SOME, as this Diary points out, still do…..

“But a wise man once said that we should judge people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of …”
from the LetFreedomRing Org’s NeverFindOut Project: “Not This Time” Ad

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

One drop rule.

They wouldn’t have let him drink from the ‘white’ fountain then, and they won’t ever let him dare claim ‘white’ ancestry now.

You know how the Democrat establishment is. Racist to the core.
leftylurker

Maybe I’m an overly PC person, but that *is* an offensive and totally unnecessary term. Why use it? There are plenty of less offensive ones.

Mike gamecock DeVine

later if requested

I understand your PC revulsion, but quite frankly, its really a quite accurate and not inherently offensive, and given the election of Obama, I think its time we all moved on from PC over-sensitivity. Mush like most whites and blacks in my circles in the south did years ago.

But I do understand your point. I just think if we are ever going to really get past race, then blacks have to get past it too.

Doc Holliday

people like to see in black and white, pun intended. Any math will show you go enough generations back you have thousands of grandparents etc. The chance someone is simply English, or Italian is quite slim. also, one can tell someone born in Africa from an African American quite easily. It is funny that Tiger and Barrack for example are only considered mixed because of recent relatives.

Sigh, too bad we can’t get off of race, it is so stupid yet ever present in human history.
Mike gamecock DeVine

to elevate themselves over others without having to earn elevation thru merit. Look at Africa and Europe and all those small countries that found non-racial reasons to hate.

Yet, look at America from sea to shining sea. We stand tall.
Doc Holliday

in fact most nations were founded on race or ethnicity, those that were not, such as Spain, are still facing those who want to break it up. America came first with the ideals, and those ideals grated until the reality came much closer to them. We are a special nation, and it is sad so many born here don’t realize that.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

we cannot allow Liberals to silence us and discuss/expose when/where the REAL Racism showed its UGLY head in this last Election and persists, given the example of Tony’s fine Diary (personal) experience…..

The Children are watching and will be learning whether it is something that is just to be succumbed to……. It is wrong…. and it is wrong for all….. the PC definitions must not be allowed to Stand and the Light of Day must be shown upon it! The Leftists have for years, rightfully so, been saying we must fight Racism, but they never ever expected to be called on THEIR Racism but only always thought it would be a wedge issue for them to their favor…. We cannot let them continue to get away with it.

Thank you Tony for having the courage of sharing your experience with us, many would just shaken their head over it but not done anything beyond that. You, hopefully, are helping to make a difference as many other people are undoubtedly coming across this same situation with family, friends, neighbors, whomever…..

janis

Doesn’t exactly flow off the tongue, but it’s accurate.

Diogenes314

And that would be somewhere between Quadroon and Octoroon. If you think ‘mullotto’ is making people lose their minds…
http://www.clinefamily.us pcnnc

Yea, I feel for those here that have been maligned by race baiting and PC. I’ve had posts lambasted, here and elsewhere, just because I used the phrase “black president”. In some circles I just simply stay quite about Mr. O’ because the crowd is just salivating for some conservative to mention anything that can be construed as racist. And believe me, the possibilities are plethoric!

I just keep pushing on serving the Lord, who is bigger than all this junk and is capable of redeeming our nation. BTW, I played football at ECU in the late eighties with a Tony Cruz from FL, you wouldn’t happen to be him?
Tony_Cruz

I’m still in college right now ha.
http://www.clinefamily.us pcnnc

Cool. Then from a conservative college professor, don’t let the libs around you change your perspective on life, especially politics. Be the man God created and lead people out from this wilderness.
Tony_Cruz

Funny enough, I’ve grown more conservative the longer I am in college. So the left’s argument that the more educated you become the more liberal you become is obviously not accurate.

I’m the one walking around campus with the conservative message t-shirts that all the professors sneer at. ha.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

This article from Tony will NEVER go stale. Democrats will always race-bait and promote PC as their way to Indoctrinate and divide to maintain their control over others to retain as much power as they can.

Swamp_Yankee

Mulatto is not offensive at all. It is the proper terminology for someone who is half white and half black. Mulignon or mulie is Italian for eggplant and a racist slur. I think people sometimes confuse the two.

leftylurker

But i’ll disagree Swamp_Yankee, it is offensive to some. Just like calling someone a Negro has a non racist pedigree, it’s still an inflammatory term now.

I like this site, because you are some of the LEAST racist political commentators I know, and it’s odd, because I tend to like JLenard’s posts, but the word is unnecessary. You can used mixed-race.
Mike gamecock DeVine

don’t know the word! I know, because I use it for shock value at times and no one is shocked because the word is so archaic!
janis

You could mean Native American and Chinese. You could mean black and Latino. ” Mulatto”says black and white. And “leftylurker” says you don’t necessarily get to call the shots here.
Mike gamecock DeVine

that the whole issue of “race” is quite contrived.

more later
Swamp_Yankee

You will see how commonly it is used by everyone. By the way, what the hell is mixed-race? Is white and native American mixed-race? How about English and Portuguese? Russian and Mongolian??? Mixed race is a useless term.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I included the GOOGLE link ON PURPOSE!

so here it is again Google: Mulatto
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Is the person to DENY both their BLACK AND WHITE heritage?? Why can’t they have PRIDE in both and self identify properly — as I’ve said elsewhere (and GC pointed out too) many don’t even have a CLUE about the term – why then would it be Offensive? other than the usual knee-jerk PC response to anything trying to HONESTLY deal with Race!?!?!?

Again, why does a Mulatto have to DENY both of their Racial heritages? other than your perceived offense.

Lefty, I want to state plain to all this is a GENERAL discussion and people should be “kind” and be respectful in it… I do NOT consider Lefty as “attacking” me over any of this. We are proving we are NOT “Cowards” and actually having a TEACHABLE/LEARNABLE moment here…. I hope we can help get Lefty past what I think is an undue influence that someone has imposed the PC Race-baiting on him and he has become accustomed to… IMO, inappropriately.

Let us ALL be careful to NOT read TONE/INTENT where none may exist!!! remember: respect – the point here is Mulatto respects both Races as an accurate term. Though with ANYTHING – even Lefty’s “mixed-race” terminology can be taken and bent to be derogatory – that is the person intending to do so problem and/or those that jump to that conclusion… not the fault/problem of the rest of us with PROPER INTENT!
leftylurker

I did react quickly on it.

There has been a revival of a race discourse in the US since President Obama was elected, and I think it has gotten to me too.

I am sorry for not believing your intentions earlier. I think it’s a good thing that we can have discussions on race openly and honestly.

As for the mixed race question, let me think about that and get back to you. It’s a complicated point.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Complicate…. you can say that again, but IMO only because the purveyors of the PC distortion of language purposefully, willfully, and (IMO) with malice, want it to be divisive. No matter how it is phrased or broached someone somewhere will DISTORT a way to bend it out of shape/context and BE OFFENDED.

Take care friend

You know I’m from the Detroit area…. Family has been in Detroit (including for the Riots)… had businesses there… I’ve worked there in several neighborhoods and downtown… it is like separate cities most times…. Which is why I am very sensitive to the purposeful distortions of language and desires of so many to keep people divided for their own POWER…..

The double-standard of how some terms can be used by some and not others is RACIST based logic in itself, but some can’t see past the PC definition of Racism to figure that out.

Regards from NoMoTown (Liberals, looking to do for America what they’ve done to Detroit and now the rest of Michigan — continued divide and conquer Power for themselves)….
mbecker908

would confront two blacks using the term “nigger” in reference to others of their acquaintance who share their race?

Mike gamecock DeVine

to speak to blacks the same way we speak to each other

see what you think of this, my first dead tree column in a major newspaper from a few years ago

http://gamecock.blogtownhall.com/2007/01/20/achieve_kings_dream_with_equal_treatment_@_the_charlotte_observer.thtml

leftylurker

But if people are still interested, I’ll be back.
Mike gamecock DeVine
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I lied about the NT…. lol …..

Me, the Racial-bias-anoator says; I’ll Be Back!

CONTENT OF ONES CHARACTER!!!!! applies to ALL

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Why is ‘mulatto’ offensive but ‘black’ inoffensive?

leftylurker

1) because the etymology of the word comes from mula, which while it does mean mix, has animal connotations in english and

2) because there is a generally accepted term, and it’s mixed race
Doc Holliday

the whites, mullattoes, and blacks fought each other to the death. I think racism is terrible, but it is taught as only a white thing against blacks. The reality is racism exists in every country and has emerged malignant in every ethinicity.
http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

The reality is racism exists in every country and has emerged malignant in every ethinicity.

Mistakenly call a Korean a Chinese and see what happens. Or, for that matter, mistakenly call anyone a Japanese who is NOT and see what they say to you.

I have found that a number of European countries are very racist against blacks — but for some reason, it is only the United States that gets tarred with that brush.
Doc Holliday

I have seen this in Asia and Europe as well. The Asia racism is incredible and not well known here.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Your point one says that ‘mix’ has animal connotation in English and is therefore unacceptable.

Your point two says ‘mix’ is acceptable.

Whilst you make up your mind the adults in the room will ignore you now.
Aaron Gardner
Mike gamecock DeVine

that are advanced enough to handle it, and at one point, I had to learn. That is what lefty is doing now. Learning, from us.

be kind
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

That won’t stand.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

but I Thank You for your willingness to stand by my side on the base “Issue” the conversation – as I see it, defending PRIDE in either/both Races involved in this specific instance.
leftylurker

at all
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

remember that news (?) story…. how our glorious MSM had to play that one up…. Because, like Lefty states, there is an “animal” connotation and because some folks MIGHT HAVE at some point used a “Monkey” reference against “Blacks” the HISPANIC woman who said that to her neighbors kids (because she CARED and feared for their health/well-being – that’ll teach her ‘ey?) said that to a couple kids…. Those kids HAPPENED to be Black…. One of those Children did later go on to break an arm falling off something, as the story went but I don’t recall 100% that aspect of the details….

I guess if one isn’t Black you MUST maintain a list of unacceptable terms forever present in your head to go through to avoid any potential contention… That is INSULTING, IMO, RACIST in and of itself, to paint/taint all Black people anywhere/everywhere as unable to discern a comments intent – but was certainly true in that one instance. The RACISM (on the part of the person hearing it, not the person saying it) is in the automatically being defensive and suspicious about ANY comment made MIGHT have some hidden Racial overtone to it! GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT – absurd.

THE POINT…. How many Parents have EVER said that to their own Children as well as other kids…. So if a White Parent says that to their White Child, are they saying “Don’t Act Like A Black person?!?!?” Don’t be silly Yet, somehow it is perceived as a slight automatically if told to a “Black child”… Dr. Mark Lamont Hill had to go on TV and expose his pure RACISM and fail to understand how a common phrase said by a CARING NEIGHBOR is somehow the Hispanic woman’s latent Racism (look in the Mirror Mr. Hill, try some objective analysis of yourself based on the real definition of RACISM) …….

His (Hill’s) point is similar to Lefty’s in that if it was ever once said by any White person to a Black person anywhere in the History of Mankind – Everyone is somehow supposed to know that by osmosis and is Never Ever Ever allowed to utter the phrase regardless of intent…..

Patently absurd…… Does that analogy help at all Lefty??

I guess if we’re to take away Hill’s (unspoken/implied) lesson it is NEVER bother to stop your Black neighbors kids from falling out of a tree and breaking their arm – they’ll have a broken arm but you won’t be a Racist….. Of course I was being absurd with this last sentence (about the implied lesson) to make a point… It is just silly, the people who care are the ones (no good deed goes un-)punished and the blatantly RACIST (that see and filter EVERYTHING through Racial lenses) continue to get a pass because of PC.
Mike gamecock DeVine
leftylurker

I am willing to learn, and I have learned from you all so far.
leftylurker

I said that mula, like mule, has animal connotations.

There are plenty of reasons to disagree with me, you don’t need to put words into my mouth.
Mike gamecock DeVine

the general public! let us not forget

most folks don’t know this word
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

when in doubt, most “assume” or jump to the conclusion it must be derogatory and “offensive”…. it is a question of Education….. and again, because one SCUM OF THE EARTH person MAY use it in a derogatory sense does not (should NOT) taint all who want/have earnest intent!?!?!?

Ignorance… in and of itself is one of those terms that creates “knee-jerk offense” many times… Ignorance is NOT STUPID…. WE ARE ALL IGNORANT OF “WHATEVER” UNTIL WE ARE EDUCATED ABOUT THAT “WHATEVER”
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Ever read the Bloom County where lefty Steve lectures his mother on how ‘colored people’ is unacceptable, but ‘people of color’ is A-OK?

You’re as dumb as a cartoon now.
leftylurker

n/t
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
lukematthews

It becomes a laughable game this constantly shifting one vocab word for another to try and take the ‘sting’ out of words. The word mulatto means ‘mixed’ just like retarded means ‘slowed or held back.’ We have come to believe that trying to find words that have less ‘offensive’ connotations will somehow remove the stigma. However, it doesn’t work that way. Words are in and of themselves merely approximations of a thing. That is why we joke about ‘vertically challenged’ instead of short. Because they have exactly the same meaning, it is simply trying to ‘trick’ the user into a mindset of believing different aspects than are suggested by the original word. Oriental, which people are now saying is offensive to East Asians, just means ‘eastern.’ How it that offensive? It isn’t. It was made offensive by people who are more worried about the connotations of the words than actually changing people’s ideas about the subject. Silly, goofy, and pointless.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

that you fall to the usual RACE-BAITING to have to insist on turning any term into something derogatory. Most people aren’t even aware of the term let alone going around calling someone it in a derogatory fashion. I have met both White-skinned Mulatto and Black-skinned Mulatto – shame the REAL RACISTS insist that they pick one and often get it from RACISTS from both/either side – I hope “You” do not adhere to the Democrat PC definition that Racism is only White against Black.. that somehow Blacks are incapable of Racism. Racism is the sole (or most heavily weighted) factoring of Race in a decision making process and EVERY Race is capable of it and many unfortunately still engage in it but avoid having to deal with it (DENIAL) by that “PC definition” of it.

Since you asked, or suggested, What term would you use that is NOT offensive??? There isn’t one the Lefty side wouldn’t deem “offensive” because they have to adhere to strict Racial divisiveness and continued Race-baiting cannot be served (their best interests in mis-shaping opinion by such tactics)… Holder was partly right, Democrats are COWARDS in discussing honestly RACE and his mentioning it in the manner he did was yet another PC attempt at RACE-BAITING and shutting discussions rather than encouraging people to come together.

Mike gamecock DeVine

because of course their hearts are pure.
leftylurker

And not to pander Gamecock and Lenard, but I really like the things you two write.

I’m just saying that, right or wrong, (I think right), the term is deemed pretty offensive by some people, and there’s no reason to use it if it can be avoided.
Mike gamecock DeVine

I only use it among those that are quite sophisticated and advanced on race and, as I have also said, i really think race is a contrived idea anyway.

I think this is a close call because I do think, well, read my column from 2006 that i linked to and see of that informs and get back to me.

http://gamecock.blogtownhall.com/2007/01/20/achieve_kings_dream_with_equal_treatment_@_the_charlotte_observer.thtml
leftylurker

You and I come to the same conclusion, albeit from different points.

I studied critical theory as an undergraduate at UC Santa Cruz. Some people will understand what that means right away, but for another example, Angela Davis, felon, was one of my professors.

And after that education, I realised that the PC movement was in the same vein of dominance and control as the Jim Crow movement, and that a lot of people on the left used it in bad faith.

I do agree that terms can be used in the right context, and so, giving JLenard all reasonable inferences in his favor, I’ll table my objection.
Mike gamecock DeVine
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Instead of discussing the issue of the diary, you went off on some PC tangent.

In fact let’s start winding up this threadjack.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

IMO, I don’t think this is a Thread-jack… but we’ll have to wait for Tony (author) to drop us a line and say so…. but the whole premise/point of the Diary, as I read it, was/is about how RACE factored in (FIRST HAND in his family) this Election and how we relate (or don’t) Post-Election…. Not having come to grips with the real definition of RACISM versus the PC re-definition….

I’d like to hear from Tony whether his Mother even knows:
1) That BHO is only 1/2 Black, while insisting he’s Black…
2) If she’s heard/knows the Mulatto term
3) Tony’s thoughts himself on either/both the above and all we’ve said here.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Whether ‘mulatto’ is ‘offensive’ is well offtopic, I’d say.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

if it has in any way brought an understanding…. GC is right, I have found many don’t know the term and as I said then Jump-to-conclusions out of ignorance …. not saying that is the case in Lefty’s case, but is true of some others…. and if Lefty helps us to TEACH some innocent readers that have not known the word before it can be helpful.. Up to Tony to decide.

Part of the whole PC thing is to create people purposefully looking to be offended at anything they don’t understand…. we can/must help over-come that… Lefty may be on his way (I hope so) to understanding the “conditioned touchiness” was/is by design and he must over-come that INDOCTRINATION PC BS.

Peace out…

PS: GO WINGS …. but don’t respond to that, because that would be a certain Thread-Jack lol
leftylurker

By a lot of peoples’ willingness to discuss, learn, and educate here. And I do have a greater understanding of what you meant JL, and I appreciate you taking the time to push back.

I have accomplished a lot of what I have because I’ve had good people around to teach me. So thanks.
JadedByPolitics

because a friend of his who is a black surgeon had no one to “look up to” and since he was unhappy with McCain he felt he could help his friend…..that my friends is how WE ended up with Obama…..it is a sick day in America when people are voting for color and nothing else….I do believe that people like my new boss will have felt they have done their civiic duty and will have suffered so greatly with taxes etc by 2012 that they will vote their conscience instead!

In that same vein he is as are other Obama voters I know prepared to give the House back to the Republicans in 2010 to have divided government once again! They seem to see the value in a government that does NOTHING
olsmithie

Guess many of the 52% in the US are the real racists.

Maybe they will stop picking on us , who care about the “content of their character”, now….

Regards
JadedByPolitics

are the true racists…..that they would not hold the black man to the exact same scrutiny that they would a white man when making a decision to vote shows they do not believe that the black man was worthy of that scrutiny….very sick and very sad!
http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

because of similar thinking. It’s like they thought if we just had a black president we could feel good about ourselves. That was a BIG part of it.

Wonder how good they will feel about it when unemployment and inflation are both in double digits?
http://theminorityreportblog.com David Hinz

because it will all be Bush’s fault!

the freaking Democrats will be running against George W Bush for the next two decades….

…just like they still run against Reagan [oh, wait...the era of Reagan is dead]
Justin_Case

it was Herbert Hoover’s fault for the Great Depression.

Not too encouraging, I know.
Mike gamecock DeVine
Justin_Case

Ike was a good candidate. Nixon made arguably the greatest comeback in US political history.
Mike gamecock DeVine

in keeping Congress for 40 years!
Justin_Case

could survive 40 years of these clowns.
izoneguy

your mother would say if you came in wearing a Palin T-shirt….

She would probably have a look of disgust as you say:

But she is female!!
Tony_Cruz

That’s totally worth a try!
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

but it will probably go past her if she is that far gone, as Tony seems to be pointing out, into the Left-field…. Most the folks that think like this/that are so far off into Left Field they are standing in the wrong Ball-Park and wondering why the Stadium is empty. lol
Tony_Cruz

cause a lot of the Obama folks were so focused on him they didn’t seem to know anyone else that was involved in the election
Mike gamecock DeVine

Dems have never won a presidential election running against Reagan or his legacy.

Repubs have won many elections while the Dems ran against Hoover.
Tony_Cruz

EVERYTHING is Bush’s fault.

That is their only argument to the people as to why the Republicans don’t deserve to be in power. Bush. Bush. Bush.

Bush isn’t president anymore. They’re man is.
olsmithie

and wrongfully said “It’s your fault!”

He grew up.

Regards
http://applescorneroftheorchard.blogspot.com/ Pomme
papalee

n/t.
Tony_Cruz

and not against our former Presidents.
Mike gamecock DeVine

now they feel guilty for voting for a marxist
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

You know that MOST of your Lefty friends cannot handle discussions like this, their DENIAL is masked by having to call everyone RACIST rather than have an honest discussion. DailyKook or HuffPooPoo would be the Diary followed by a bunch of Janine Gagmenow and her ilk screaming “RACIST” in every post while defending those that may have voted for Obama ONLY because of his skin-tone…..and they are truly so delusional they can’t see the Racism in that!
Tony_Cruz

I did inform her on the actual racial make-up of BHO. Her response:

“Then why are they calling him the first black president??” After reading all of your responses I explained the idea of Mulatto to her. She had no idea what I was talking about.

Its what I’ve been feeling all along. The media and the left has hyped up SO much the idea of this “Black/American-American” man as president. But he’s not.

I actually don’t think this was a thread jack though. All this discussion has been very interesting for me and my college friends to read. I learned a lot from ya’lls comments here that I hadn’t thought about before.

But yes, originally, I was merely trying to address the idea that many people were so excited to have a person of non-white color in the white house, that they didn’t even bother to find out anything else about him. Did I mention she recently married a African-American man?

The best thing about all this, is as a Hispanic, I have been told by her and her side of the family I turned my back on my people by voting for the white man.

What saddens me is, I don’t think she’ll ever learn. My two baby sisters are going to grow up to be mindless voters such as herself.

This has been great. You people are wonderful and insightful. Its no mistake why this is my favorite website ever.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I was actually very surprised that through all of this discussion no-one brought this up….

Putting aside the usual discussion here and other sites about considering oneself an “American” only over a hyphenated American…. Alot of people consider themselves to be _______-American, with the blank being whatever origin that someone in their family may have Immigrated to the U.S. from within a few previous generations.

With President Obama, he actually IS African-American. His Father actually being from Kenya Africa and his Mother being from the United States. That actually and truly makes him an African-American in the correct descriptive term, but that would-be/is a “confused” point to many knowing (always expecting/reading) the term as a general/generic “labeling.” I have never quite understood why that was/is such an accepted term/labeling (just as calling any White person a “European-American” would be potentially/equally incorrect) as one can be of Dark skin and not have had a recent ancestor migrate from Africa!?!?! It is somewhat insulting for the assumption to be that someone with Dark skin cannot have any other ties to the planet other than Africa – how is that NOT insulting!?!? Someone may have had someone come from Australia, United Kingdom, South America, or any Nation, yet PC seems to dictate the African-American label be accepted. I do NOT get how that in and of itself somewhat offensive – how some things through PC become acceptable norms while other things do not is rather “fascinating” to say the least.

Amazing to me how some people do not get that trying to down-play Race to eliminate Racism on one hand while promoting with “Special Rights” and/or designations on the other, won’t/doesn’t just fuel the flames of it in some instances. There is no such thing as Reverse-Discrimination, it is all discrimination regardless of what direction the RACISM is based from and to – and EQUAL PROTECTIONS demands that we actually start treating people equally or we can never truly have a “Color-blind” society that the Left loves to harp about (while they promote Racist policy to keep Racial divisions and allow them to keep Power by pitting one Race, Class, Sex, etc, against the other). Yet Obama talks about a SCOTUS nominee needing to have Empathy, rather than Judicial Branch goal/concept/notion of EQUALITY – Blind justice!!! If discrimination in the Courts is the notion of Progressives, how is that Progress?!?!? (see also: Obama in 2001 Redistributive Justice video )

Take care all…. and….
Regards from NoMoTown (Liberals/Democrats, looking to do for America what they’ve done to Detroit and, over the last decade, the rest of Michigan)
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I greatly appreciate your willingness to share this Personal experience and give us a chance to have this discussion as this story is/was happening all across the U.S. though most have been silent about it for various reasons.

Now that you are on the Recommended Diaries list, make sure you keep coming back and responding to the people who will keep trickling in and posting. Also, I hope you and your college friends have twittered the link to others as this is an important topic/discussion especially for your generation and those coming up behind you – if we are truly to get anywhere with the issues of Racism.

I look forward to seeing additional comments from you in relation to some of the other comments that have been made through-out the Diary.

Lastly, I wonder if your Mother is EXPECTING Obama to view his SCOTUS choice through Racial lenses and pick a Hispanic (one is in consideration, some have been considered by Republican Presidents in the past). Democrats are good at “Identity Politics” to divide people rather than base decisions on CONTENT OF ONES CHARACTER (Some of your friends may not be familiar with the term and how/why it is important — Google within RedState re: Identity Politics so this/that link is for their benefit). I hope they are all visiting RedState to understand the things the Indoctrination Factories purveyors of PC History and/or Democratic SPIN of/on Life (aka: Teachers/Professors) do all they can to avoid presenting them! We want objective examination and reasoning, they want to just brainwash folks!

Again, Take Care… God Bless…. Regards from NoMoTown
papalee

The guy in Washington who either got fired or had to resign over his use of the term “niggardly” in regard to a budget? There are people too ignorant or too leftist to ever please because everything said is to be used as a hammer on someone. That is the first clue that they have no place in civil society, they and anyone who will tolerate them.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

and I did figure that would find at least ONE person to insist on distorting it and why I pre-emptively stated therein:

There will be plenty that will insist on RACE-BAITING further and declare Mulatto as being ?RACIST? ? you know, the usual PC way to avoid facts and allow them to live in their – something has to fit in this or that ?Box? mentality.

and went out of my way to mention/quote MLK. But again, the PC mentality insists that only applies to Whites toward Blacks… not any Race toward another or any Race WITHIN its own ranks….. CHARACTER matters within all those situations

Take care, the Lefty’s know it… but can’t avoid walking into the clearly marked Mine-field anyway. It is usually DENIAL that they wrap in PC….

I welcome Leftylurkers thoughts on this… they make my initial points (IMO) and are telling… I don’t hold or suspect any “ill-intent” on his/her part… but some Trolls/Mobies I thought would eventually find it IMPOSSIBLE to pass on.
leftylurker

But look at this from my point. I’m at least potentially persuadable towards the R cause, and I think the term is going to far. Is it too much of a concession to use less potentially charged terms?
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I know, you said “Mixed-Race” but that requires that the Person DENY their own heritage? Why should they? Someone else also correctly pointed out how “Mixed” in some senses can also be inferred to be offensive (What are you, a mixed Mutt? – NOTE: Purposefully giving an UNACCEPTABLE EXAMPLE for point/purpose of discussion, not making comment/statement to anyone)…. Why should they not be PROUD of who/what they are? I thought the LEFT was looking forward to that far off day we would be but ONE race and like GC pointed out many are Mulatto without realizing it… AND THEREFORE… the term appropriately forces people to recognize and face their own notions of Race and Racism…. Many won’t, they will remain in DENIAL!

I really have to step out now for a few, I’m starving… I’ll check back in later for your response….

Thanks and Take Care

6eorge Jetson

Tony_Cruz

ALL week.

I finally started explaining the waste that is the stimulus and she had no idea what it was for. I’m not giving up on her.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

yet another double-standard….

During the WH Press Dinner Obama joked that Michael Steele was “in the House… or as he would say ‘Hizzy’… ”

Reverse those roles and one might imagine, don’t have to imagine long as we’ve seen it for real, how the MSM would go NUTS! If a BLACK CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN (yes, Trolls/Mobies – there are some – I know some of them) were to use that “Hizzy” line suggesting that Obama was URBAN…. the mumbles of UNCLE TOM, sell out, stooge, etc, would NEVER cease and they’d go on about how “offensive” and “Racially insensitive” (not PC)….. That BLACK CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN is “NOT BLACK ENOUGH” for them, we heard a little of that out of some Democrats (shades of Jackson, ‘too black’ BS…. Jackson, was/is too Socialist AS IS OBAMA) during the Primaries.

But it is NEVER Racist/Racism when Blacks vote for CONVICTED CRIMINALS like Marion Berry in DC over any other “white” person…. or all those votes in Louisiana or Detroit or….. on and on and on…..

Whether it is PC to speak of it or not, some people MAY FINALLY be waking up to all the Race Baiting and seeing the Real Racism…. and that ISSUES (not Race, Class, Sex) must be the focus of ANY Election! Yet, far too many will still slumber – ObamaZombies.
Doc Holliday

whites split 50-50 on Obama, black were in the area of 99 percent for Obama. Now which side voted with race in their minds? I can even even see why a black person would do this, I really can. But it a white ever admitted to voting for a someone “because they were white” they would be branded a racist by libs and conserves alike.

also, I spend a lot of time with the military and almost every Obama sticker on the bases I frequent are from black military families. I don’t know what that says, I guess it gives some insight into people’s priorities and how they rank.
http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Did you think you’d get this kind of traffic??

Your welcome… or my apologies… whichever you deem appropriate lol but I am very happy you put this Diary forth and an HONEST discussion could ensue.

Tony_Cruz

I was mainly writing cause I was upset and wanted to find an outlet for what happened this morning. I didn’t expect anyone to read this ha.

I’m always scared to write on here because you people are so eloquent and intelligent in your speaking, but I’m glad some good discussion came out of my little tiny entry!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

though from the manner you’ve put forth your frustration here it is doubtful…. but who knows!?!?!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

that will undoubtedly be what will come next…. as Obama pushes forward with the usual Democrat divisiveness and Identity Politics… I won’t repeat all my comments but refer to Moe’s Diary about SCOTUS where I made these: first Hispanic on SCOTUS? related comments.

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