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Pawlenty – Engler 2012

6755mm speculated yesterday on whom Romney might pick as his running mate.  The only problem is that Romney is not going to win the nomination.  So let’s speculate about who the real nominee will be and who he will pick.  It’s guaranteed, however, that the Veep slot will be different depending on whom the Presidential nominee is.  If Palin wins the nomination, she for sure, won’t pick Romney, for example. And Ron Paul would never pick Jeb Bush. In fact, I can’t imagine any candidate picking either Palin or Bush.   So, —

It”s May and Tim Pawlenty has finally wrapped up the hard-fought Republican nomination.  Now he turns to the task of selecting a Vice Presidential running mate.  One thing is for sure, none of his competitors for the nomination will be considered.  Bachmann might be a tempting choice, but she is also from Minnesota and therefore disqualified.  The media is pushing for him to choose Christie or Rubio, but both have publically and privately taken their names out of the picture.  At any rate, Pawlenty doesn’t want to be upstaged by his running mate. In addition to Christie, several other governors seem willing and able–Haley Barbour, Scott Walker, and John Kasich–to list three.  But all have their own baggage.  Besides Rubio, a number of Senators come to mind–John Thune, Pat Toomey, Jim DeMint–but what does any Senator really bring to the ticket.

What Pawlenty needs in a running mate is someone who will not outshine Pawlenty; someone who is serious and will be taken seriously; someone who has executive experience; someone who is older and will , like Cheney, add gravitas to the ticket; and someone who will help in the Midwest battleground states.  He needs someone like himself, a former governor.  But certainly not Jeb Bush–no sense in possibly turning off some voters with a Bush on the ticket.

The ideal candidate for Tim Pawlenty to choose as his running mate is —John Engler.  Engler was governor of Michigan for three terms from 1990 to 2002. He cut both personal and corporate income taxes and created hundreds of thousands of jobs.   He won re-election twice in landslides with over 60% of the vote in what was then a very blue state.  Since leaving office he has served as President of the National Association of Manufacturers and is currently President of the Business Roundtable.  He will be able to credibly reinforce Pawlenty’s economic, small government,  job creation message.  And if he can carry his home state of Michigan, which is considered in play, the election is pretty much over.  Even if he can’t carry Michigan, he is widely known throughout the Rust Belt and helps Pawlenty in Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Pennsylvania as well as Minnesota and Michigan.  Winning Ohio is essential and winning in any other Midwestern state(s) should give Pawlenty an electoral college majority.   At 63, Engler is older than Pawlenty, but not too old.  More importantly, like Pawlenty, he is a Washington outsider–in contrast to Joe Biden who is the ultimate Washington insider.  Perhaps most important of all, he has one of the best Roladexes in the Republican party.  Money is short for Pawlenty and Obama has banked a billion dollars.  Raising cash fast is essential.  Which is why Pawlenty can’t wait until August to name his choice.

Pawlenty – Engler 2012.  This isn’t a flashy ticket–but it’s a winning ticket.   Republicans could do a lot worse.  In fact, if they want to beat Obama-Biden, they really can’t do any better.

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  • Darin_H

    I would never have thought of it and he’s an intriguing choice. Personally I’ve thought DeMint is the perfect Veep choice this go around. He’ solidly conservative and an insider-outsider in that he’s a Senator, but still an outsider to the establishment.

    • dog_nut

      Big John would run against Dummy Stabenow next year. She’s eminently beatable, but all the likely candidates (Hoekstra, Land, McCotter) have declined.

  • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

    is my Senator, and I personally don’t see him as VP material. Too rigid and uncompromising, which are good qualities in a Senator. But not for a # 2 man. We need him to stay in the Senate.

  • electionwatch

    I believe John Engler would provide a lot of good experience and good core conservative values to the race if Pawlenty (your prospective Republican presidential nominee) chooses him as his running mate. I wnever would have thought of Engler and was glad you bought him up as a potential VP contender in your analysis besides the usual names always mentioned as potential VP contenders (like Marco Rubio).

  • acat

    Not entirely convinced Pawlenty/Engler makes sense – I see your case, but .. why would a midwestern rust-belter (Pawlenty) pick another midwestern rust-belter?

    It makes sense if we assume that the GOP can maintain a lock on the South and West (other than the coast) … and it would likely help in the midwest.

    I’d thought initially that Pawlenty/Jindal would work better, but … you may be right.

    Mew

    • powertothepeople

      on this and if I am wrong, I will eat the crow.

      Unless you see someone come in late such as Perry who changes the whole makeup of this race, you are going to see one of two guys take SC and the eventual nomination. It will come down to Tim or Herman and their win in SC will come down to who Haley endorses. SC has chosen the eventual republican winner every time for the last 30 years and I see no reason what it changes this time around. It has also decided the winner based on who the republican gov endorses for even longer.

      That being said, there will be no surprises this time around when it comes to a VP pick. This election year will not be another 2008. You will see one of the most balances tickets ever from the republicans. All of the contenders know how much the economy is hurting but at the same time know just how large the socon bloc is.

      Should Tim go on to the expected win, I believe he will make Herman his VP. Same with Herman, if he wins, Tim is his VP. This brings both the socons and ficons into the fold and gives independents the trust in the ticket they need to be comfortable to vote for us.

      I am only guessing here, but I just think this is how you are going to see things work out. I really do not expect Newt, Huntsman, Romney, etc to win this election which leaves us two major players should no one else announce they are in.

      • electionwatch

        I don’t think that Tim would pick a fellow candidate for President as his running mate. Although a lot of candidates in the past have done that, with Obama doing that in ’08, I don’t think Pawlenty would make that choice again. He would want somebody with political experience and not a Ross Perot (I’m not recommending Cain is another Perot-I like Cain a lot and may vote for him) who is a total outsider who will ascend to the VP slot after being a CEO of a large pizza chain. Engler would be a perfect candidate-he has a lot of political experience and is a former Governor like Tim. Why wouldn’t Tim pick him?

      • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

        This is a followup of my Tuesday diary, in which I discussed the fact that my governor, Nikki Haley, will endorse Pawlenty: http://www.redstate.com/tooncesthecat/2011/05/24/when-will-nikki-haley-endorse-pawlenty/
        Her endorsement means Pawlenty wins South Carolina. I don’t see Cain, however, as the major competition, but I certainly can be wrong. I think Pawlenty, Bachmann and Romney are the three candidates coming into South Carolina. Regardless, I don’t see him picking Cain, because Cain really does nothing to add value to the ticket. Despite what others have said, I’ve lived in North Carolina and South Carolina all my life and African Americans are not going to vote Republican even if an African American is on the ticket. Pawlenty is already guaranteed the SoCon vote, so why throw away the 2nd pick. I toss out Engler as an archetype; the choice has to be someone like Engler if not him.. If you are right and Cain wins the nomination, I could easily see Pawlenty as his running mate. That just isn’t going to happen, however.

        • electionwatch

          I definitely agree with Toonces and that Cain doesn’t add much value to the ticket and that Haley will endorse Pawlenty in the race considering how their policies are similar.

        • powertothepeople

          A) Cain is quite popular in this state, which is my home state also by the way, lived here since we moved from Texas when I was a young man, went to college at the only good university in the country USC, and although I agree at this point does not look like Cain will win this state, he is not that far behind Tim in F/U numbers.

          B) I am glad you agree Haley is planning on endorsing Tim, I stated she was a few hours after we met with her after the debates so you are a bit behind on that one. She has not said openly she is moving towards him probably because it is too early and she needs to see if Palin gets in. Got to remember it was the Palin endorsement that gave Haley the much needed bump in her election effort.

          C) I also know that as thing stand, Tim will get the endorsements of guys such as Pitts, Verdin, Peace, and Duncan.

          D) Cain does bring a bunch to any ticket. And while few would admit it, his presence on a ticket makes certain people feel as if the party has pushed past the racist creed. But besides that, he was a brilliant businessman and is a brilliant fiscal conservative. No one is saying that putting a black man on the ticket would attract a huge bloc of the black vote, but what it does bring is fiscal strength, business savvy, and a southern attraction that brings in a lot of independent vote as well. Tim may have the socon vote, but that is not enough to win. Nor is getting republican ficons behind him. You have to have the independent vote and that is something Cain brings to the ticket and to his own election chances. And the whole “we are not racists, see……….” mentality.

          E) We are going up against the lefts jesus. Whoever pulls out in front is going to want someone who everyone knows across the country. Engler had some great ideas in Michigan, had some flops, and while he was and is still quite popular in Michigan, outside of a few people who live politics, who knows who he is. He has not been in politics since 2002 and has quite the cushy job now. Why would he leave that when I know of zero interest he has expressed to get back in politics. Even in Michigan, which I left to come back home 5 years ago, he is the whats his name who used to be gov here guy.

          Whoever wins will chose someone who is in the limelight now. My guess, your guess, anyone’s guess right now is just shooting blanks at this point since we do not know who will still get in and who will win, but the most recognizable people to chose from will be the winners fellow candidates. They will already have a following and will bring that to the ticket. And we will need every advantage we can find to beat Obama. This is why I think whoever wins will balance the ticket and will do so with the next leading candidate so that they know it can only add to their numbers. I just do not see another Palin type pick this time, that is of course unless one of the losers win and know the conservative base is turned off bad towards them as they were with McCain.
          D) Bachmann has no strength here.Unless she gets in soon, she may not even have the strength in her own home state. Time is running out for her and SC is not the strongest of areas for her.There are a few reasons I state that, most you should be aware of.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            I am leaning more and more towards him. Unfortunately both Iowa and New Hampshire loom huge to any nomination. While I think he might do well in New Hampshire because of their fiscal conservatism. I am not sure about Iowa.

            He doesn’t have to win it, but he needs to come out respectable.
            I know it is early days, but do you have a take on any of the other early primary states?

          • powertothepeople

            and I think most know that. He grabbed his danglers and said what needed to be said concerning ethanol subsidies and as soon as he did, Romney came out in support of the subsidies. Romney will take Iowa and will also, most likely, take NH. But I think that is where his ball stops rolling. Tim is riding high in a few states where conservatives usually do not win such as WI and MI. Again, quite early and things can and will change, but I expect Tim to take a pouncing in the two states I mentioned but wipe out the competition in the most of the rest of the early primary states.

          • lineholder

            when you stated “my guess, your guess, anyone’s guess is just shooting blanks right now”.

            This isn’t going to be a typical election cycle. The mood of the general public isn’t even close to being typical. There’s a very strong-willed sentiment (and I’m meaning that in the best possible way) in the general public this time around, far more so than any we’ve seen in a long time. They aren’t in the least bit interested in having Repubs or Dems in DC, the media or anyone else for that matter tell them who to vote for. If you try, they may smile to your face (for the sake of being polite), give you a mental middle finger, then go on about their way that much more determined to vote exactly as they choose.

            This adds an unknown dynamic to this election cycle that could make it difficult to use polling data or past election trends to determine outcomes.

    • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

      was also a counter-intuitive ticket, which allowed the Democrats to steal Red States of Arkansas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Missouri, and Kentucky in both 1992 and 1996 plus Georgia in 1992. The Rust Belt could prove the key to Republican hopes in 2012, more so than just depending on Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia which have large African American and Hispanic voting blocks. Many people what a 2nd Southerner added to the Clinton ticket in 1992.

      • electionwatch

        That is definitely true, Toonces. If someone gets the VP nomination in the same region as the presidential nominee, then many neighboring states to these two states will flip red (or blue, depending on the year). Pawlenty would win Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, possibly Minnesota (a deep blue state), and possibly Wisconsin, depending how Republicans there get out the vote. Engler would provide more help for winning Wisconsin, as the Northen Peninsula of Michigan borders Wisconsin. Engler would win his home state of Michigan, and would also win Indiana, posswibly Ohio if the Republicans can get out the vote, and Kentucky, with other nearby states in the mix. Illinois isn’t included here since this will Obama’s re-election year in a deep blue state and this is his home state. Obama, though, is from this region, and you never know what he may do to win more states.

        • acat

          Obama is from Hawaii. He started his political career in Chicago, but .. it wasn’t exactly illustrious prior to his Senate race…

          To say Obama is “From Illinois” is .. well, let’s say that outside of Chicago, he’s not thought of as a local. It’d be like saying every out-of-state college student is “from” wherever the school they’re at is located… does not compute.

          Pawlenty/Engler won’t carry Illinois – that’d take the Chicago Dems screwing up very, very seriously – but if the pair puts Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan in play, all the better.

          Mew

      • rightwingmom52

        In ’92, the margin of victory was 4.7%, in ’96, it was 2.41%. And in 2000, Al couldn’t even carry his home state.

        • electionwatch

          Tennessee has been known in the past to be a rural state-a red stronghold in some years. Gore did help Clinton carry Tennessee in the momentum of ’92 as Tennessee went for Bush in 1988 by 16.3%, for Reagan in 1984 by 16.2%, for Reagan in 1980 by 9.8%, and went for the Democrat only once in the six presidential elections between 1968 and 1992 (Carter in ’76 by 2.1%).

          • rightwingmom52

            and spending significant time there since most of my family still lives there. Perot hurt Bush (he got 10%) much more than Gore helped Clinton. Had Perot been out, Bush would have won TN despite Gore being on the ticket. He is truly despised in the state except by the hard-core liberals. Support from other Dems is just lip service.

          • electionwatch

            Hmmmm, I have to get my facts right better. I forgot about Perot, and he did get 10% in Tennessee that year. Gore may have helped Clinton elsewhere. but, maybe not in Tennessee.

    • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

      The state+national street cred seems to pack the best punch.

      Plus, the Governor from Minnesota could do better in the NFC North Division than the Governor from Michigan, home of the perennial cellar dwellers.

      Like, say, a Congressman from Wisconsin.

      • acat

        Simple question.

        How many vice presidents had, as their immediate prior job, warming Senate seats?

        How often does it really happen that the #2 guy is a Senator?

        Mew

      • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

        The Republican candidate would be wise to stay away from anyone associated with Washington. The only Washington insider that makes sense is not a Senator or Congressman but Condi Rice, who adds real national security credibility to a ticket led by a governor. But she can’t be chosen for obvious reasons. As for Paul Ryan, he makes no sense at all because then the election becomes all about his Medicare proposal, which ties the hand’s of the Presidential nominee and, to be honest, probably loses Florida. Note that Pawlenty has said he will come up with his own Medicare proposal which will include allowing people options including the current system.

      • redtillimdead

        A governor+Governor who is a former Congressman? Like:
        Pawlenty/Jindal

        • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

          I personally like Bobby Jindall and would have had no trouble supporting him for President and certainly think he’s a good choice for VP. The question for him or any other possible Veep choice is “What does he add to the ticket?” In his case, would Louisiana or any other states be in play that wouldn’t be? That’s why I propose Engler, but could live with Daniels or Rick Snyder . I Just don’t think they’d be interested. After the 2010 midterms, it appears the whole Midwest could be in play with the right ticket.

          • redtillimdead

            Louisiana may not be in play, but there are other things to look at than just what state someone is from. As for Daniels, if we need our VP pick to win IN, we’re likely losing anyway. What Jindal brings is that he is probably one of the smartest people in the party today. He is one of very few Republican governors to serve in Congress and as a Governor. He has a ton of experience with health care, as the former Director of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals (at only 25!) and as deputy HHS Secretary. He is tested after being through two tough campaigns for Governor. He is a new, fresh face. Plus, being an Indian-American may help with Asians in swing states. If we already have a Mid Western nominee (Pawlenty) a southern candidate who isn’t your stereotypical southerner would balance the ticket nicely. If we are going for MI, I think that Snyder is a much better choice than Engler. He’s got the business thing going for him and Engler isn’t very popular any more.

          • gekster

            Still better than Granholm, but non the less liberal.

          • redtillimdead

            He ran as a moderate and governed as a conservative. He’s gotta be doing something right if the unions re trying to recall him. Like Walker, they protested him for days.

          • gekster

            He’s only been in 5 months.
            I hope (pray) I am wrong.

  • concap

    Unless this Reporter is out and out lying,

    Fiscal Conservatives should not vote for this guy in the primaries.

    If she is, can someone show me some counter links?

    http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/Columnists/A_Time_For_Choosing/TIM_PAWLENTY_GLOBAL_WARMING_ALARMIST_STATIST/43629

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    There are other things besides global warming in all of these above and below.

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    And why does this new plan by Pawlenty and leaders upset me so?

    Because it appears that they don

    • acat

      when you’re lifting releases from Romney’s folk.

      Regarding just the “Era of small government” thing, see Pawlenty’s interview on Limbaugh: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052311/content/01125109.guest.html

      Your whole argument is of equal value. In fact, starting back at your first statement, “Unless this reporter is out and out lying” … well, what if that’s the case?

      Not buying it. Get some new material.

      Mew

      • concap

        One of the examples. I did not know if they were true or not, that is why I was asking.

        Can you please clear up some of the others?

        I

        • acat

          (… although my kitty-sense is telling me you’re a Romney-supporter in mufti…)

          The first article you’ve linked I have trouble reading.. not because it’s poorly written, but because it’s *deliberately* poorly written. It’s a persuasion piece, not an informational one, and I tend to ignore them. The only way to really read it is to delete the adjectives and see what’s left.

          Instead of going through point-by-point, I’ll just mention that there’s two right-wing blogs from Minnesota that did a good job of covering Pawlenty’s time in the Governors’ mansion of a rather blue state. Power Line and Captains Quarters. (Captain Ed of CQ is now over at Hot Air, which is why the updates at CQ end after 2008)

          What I’d suggest doing is finding and reading their articles that mention Pawlenty, by putting the following terms into a Google search. This should work with Bing as well if, like Neil, you’re no fan of Google.

          pawlenty governor site:captainsquartersblog.com
          pawlenty governor site:powerlineblog.com

          Now, you’re apparently more interested in specific things, like his budget or fiscal stuff – add the word fiscal or budget (or both) to the above and see what you get.

          pawlenty governor fiscal budget site:captainsquartersblog.com
          pawlenty governor fiscal budget site:powerlineblog.com

          One of the things you’ll find is that Pawlenty plays a mean game of chicken – in one year, he let the Dem legislature pass a budget that would raise taxes and deficits right at the end of their session, then used the Governors’ power of the line item veto to turn it into a non-tax-raising non-deficit budget by selective cuts.

          That, to me, is much better fiscal conservatism, especially against an opposing legislature, than we’ve seen since.. well… Neither of the Bushes nor Reagan really managed to cut budgets that much…so I gotta say we’ve almost never had a fiscal hawk like Pawlenty in the White House.

          Pawlenty is not a “red meat” “fire-breathing” kind of a guy, it just doesn’t seem to be in his nature. To my mind, that’s an opportunity, not a problem. We’ve had Obama the “rock star” … who has utterly failed to be President to all citizens. Pawlenty can, merely by being more subtle in his confrontations, appear to rise over conflicts. What he is is smart, and subtle. He plays to his strengths while letting his opponents tie themselves in knots.

          Go forth and research, concap.

          Mew

          • concap

            He

          • concap

            I’ll check them out.

            You were—-just kidding about Romney?

          • acat

            Some of the quotes you were using against Pawlenty show up – word for word – on pro-Romney sites.

            Remember, when marching with a group, it’s important to not just ask who the enemy is, but who your allies are.

            Mew

          • concap

            I’ll check them out.

            You were—-just kidding about Romney?

          • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

            and Romney may end up being the nominee. (I certainly hope not and will actively work against him in South Carolina.) In the meantime, however, let’s not trash him too much. Let’s not necessarily blame candidates for everything supporters put out there either. Mrs. Toonces says “Remember what’s really important–defeating Obama, maintaining control of the House, and winning control of the Senate.”

          • acat

            Does that work for you?

            Because I hold him responsible for picking a known corrupt politician as his campaign chair in Illinois last go’round. (google: Kass Combine Kjellander) The Kjellader in question is a corrupt GOP pol who would rather cut deals with corrupt Dems than work with honest conservatives… and a simple google search would have found it. That’s on Mitt.

            Note also that this all came out when Mitt was asked whether he’d reappoint a popular Federal investigating attorney who was digging into Illinois corruption and .. whiffed is being kind. Mitt threw the honest people of Illinois under his bus.

            I have no intention of forgiving him for this, nor do I think this kind of incompetence in personnel decisions should be rewarded – personnel is policy.

            I’ll vote for the jerk in the general if I’m left no choice, but until he’s the nominee, I have no reason to not state the truth about Romney.

            Period.

            Mew

          • Xasteius
          • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

            Me, too. But he isn’t my last choice. Can you say, “Newt”? How about Paul, Johnson, or Huntsman? We CAN do worse.

          • acat
          • Xasteius
          • powertothepeople

            all the way up to voting for the Nadar Party. Ron Paul is about the only so called republican I just would not vote for no matter the consequences. That decision was reaffirmed when he called our action that killed Osama, criminal. But not sure I could vote for the party that considers the democrat parties platforms as being way too far right.

            I would just write in Mickey Mouse.

          • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

            That’s not a choice you will have to make. Paul will get 10 to 15% in the early primary states and then disappear as he did last time around. But you really might have to make a choice about Romney, which is why I’m behind Pawlenty for now as the viable alternative who can beat Obama. His roll-out was highly professional and well-done. Got him a lot of positive buzz. (Compare Gingrich’s roll out, for example)