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Last ever US Space Shuttle flight scheduled for June. After that, can Muslim self-awareness finally be Job 1?

AtlantisNASA has scheduled its last-ever US Space Shuttle mission for 28 June, 2011. Designated STS-135, it will carry a mass of supplies, parts. and whatever they can cram aboard to the International Space Station in advance of the Shuttle program coming to an end. After that, the ISS will rely solely on what can be launched by the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, slingshots, little red wagons with wings, etc.

At last, Obama’s NASA will be able to properly concentrate on it’s new mission, that of making the Muslim world feel better about themselves after some bad press lately about blowing people and things up.

Finally, without all the petty annoyances like messing around in the vacuum of space for no reason that is readily apparent to the Obama administration, money that would’ve been wasted on new discoveries will be more properly spent increasing self-esteem for a people who I guess are lacking.

I’m not exactly sure what other world religions will be targeted [sorry, new tone] slated to have their feelings bettered by the United States space agency, but I’m sure once they’ve been identified they’ll no doubt be added to the list.

Will NASA put people in space again? On its own, that is, or will it be “have thumb-will travel”? Much speculation about NASA’s future, but I’m betting they end up becoming another FAA, regulating private flights rather that taking the lead.

Hooray for US.

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  • Deskpilot

    Obama’s call to INVENT STUFF.
    Where else would we have gotten Velcro(R), or microminiaturization. Our ordinary “smart phone” now has more computing and communication power than all of the Apollo Mission Command Modules put together.

  • http://www.redstate.com/etcartman Kenny Solomon

    Oops…… Tone…… Civility.

    But since I’m not exactly known for any kind of freedom-and-rights-killing muted politically correct double-plus-good-speak, here’s my alternate title to this quite excellent diary:

    President Rocket Surgeon* And The Totalitarians Present ‘The Destruction Of American Exceptionalism And Elimination Of Scientific Advancement For Mankind’.

    In this multi-format presentation, we follow President Rocket Surgeon* and his co-star Cass ‘The Nudger’ Sunstein, as they hold point on winding down American existence towards a complete socio-economic shut-down and reversal into the depths of Statist Hell.

    Guests include:

    John ‘Mr. Eugenics’ Holdren as ‘Mr. Wizard’ to indoctr…… assist in grade-school-level education on scientific matters.

    And……

    Eric ‘Yes We Have No Chiquita Bananas’ Holder as ‘Big-Time Lawyer Guy’, making sure all things being done are legal – kind of, sort of, maybe.

    Special appearance by Albert Arnold Gore Jr. in a dual role as himself, plus himself – the duplicitous private-aircraft-riding, size fifteen-triple-D-ego-owning megalomaniac do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do formerly semi-relevant over-the-top hum-generating windmill promoter.

    — — — — —

    * Rocket Surgeon.

    Defined as a person so extremely smart, beyond well-educated and perfectly suited to any task at hand, that they must be both a Rocket Scientist and Brain Surgeon all in one neat little package, making MacGyver seem like a wimp in comparison.

  • luvnthebigsites

    You can add to your list of achievements shutting down one of the greatest American programs of all time. Aside from splitting the atom I don’t see anything beating the shuttle program as an example to the world of our exceptionalism. Hey Mr President… When the batteries go flat on the Hubble telescope do you think the Chicoms or Russians are going to send up one of their ICBM “space ship conversions” to do maintenance on it? *sigh*

  • Doc Holliday

    it is a symbol of American Greatness. It is obvious why Obama wants to end it. I am hoping the Congress overrules deal leader. Man we screwed up not taking the Senate when we had the chance. It is ok to admit it, we had it in our hands.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      when he guts the space program just as China revs up and in general given how critical has been that program to national security enhancement, especially given its relatively low budget.

      • Doc Holliday

        5

    • juumanistra

      One should not mourn the passing of the Space Shuttle: While it is an immense technical accomplishment, it has utterly failed in its goals of improving orbital access and containing costs. About all that it has done is continue Johnson’s Marshall Plan for the Confederacy and provide the aeronautical make-work for thousands engineers in Texas, Florida, and Alabama.

      At the end of the day, manned spaceflight had become an albatross around NASA’s neck, consuming half of the budget to undertake a paltry four Shuttle launches per year. On its current budget of ~$15bn/year, NASA can and will continue to American greatness, by continuing the unglamorous task of exploring the Solar System via unmanned spacecraft. And on the flip side, if one is genuinely serious about manned spaceflight, then it must be kosher to talk about implementing things like Project Orion.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        effect on We the People. I also think it is imperitive from a national security standpoint, esp when other nations, esp incl China are pursuing and/or have that capability.

        You may well be right concerning the priorities, but when you cite the puny $15B budget of NASA, you make my point.

        • juumanistra

          NASA’s budget is certainly insufficient to meet the dual-mandates imposed upon it by the quest for basic research and manned spaceflight. For reasons expounded upon below, I think manned spaceflight is a dead-end in the current techno-political climate and the sooner such is internalized the better everyone will be.

          Manned spaceflight, while an impressive technical achievement, is just that: It has no potential “deterrent” capabilities in and of itself, because the volumes of men that can be ferried to and from orbit is pathetically small. Space is rife with military applications, of course, but that’s not an argument for manned spaceflight. If anything, it’s an argument against it. The name of game in spaceflight is mass economy: Putting as much as is possible into orbit per given unit of thrust output from your boosting platform. Manned spaceflight is exceptionally inefficient in this regard, increasing the launch mass required to undertake a given task by anywhere from a hundred to a thousand times, depending upon the task and the source being consulted. So if there’s a worthwhile military or civil task to be undertaken, it’s better from both an economic and from a safety viewpoint to just send a machine. For defense purposes, the key skill to be retained is the ability to put stuff into orbit, with that stuff not necessarily being men. (And, as answered below, the military does retain that capability.)

          If the goal of American spaceflight should be putting men beyond Earth’s atmosphere in the name of God, country, and stellar Manifest Destiny rather than accomplishing specific applications or conducting basic research as efficiently as possible, then we require a fundamental rethinking of our entire space policy. The simple fact of the matter is that this cannot be accomplished with anything resembling our current boosting infrastructure, or even with something as modest as Constellation’s 100 tonnes to LEO. To work efficiently on the scale being contemplated, you basically need something on the scale and efficiency of Orion. And Orion revolves around detonating a string of sub-kilotonne nuclear shaped charges and riding the blasts into orbit like a tin cup atop a cherry bomb’s detonation.

          And I can just hear the environmentalists caterwauling about the U.S. trying to revise the Partial Test Ban Treaty to allow for such launches. It’s a rather amusing mental image. (To say nothing of actually advocating the concept to them. The looks of slack-jawed amazement and bald-faced fury at the idea’s temerity are priceless.)

        • acat

          the leadership of the country sells it.

          JFK’s “we will go to the moon”, Reagan’s “space truck” … it takes vision.

          What I’d like is for the next Republican candidate to pick one of a couple possibilities – a permanent base on the moon, a trip to Mars, or something similar.

          Robot probes are all well and good – and I like them for the low cost point of science they permit – but they don’t … inspire the soul? .. the way pictures of men and women on other celestial bodies can.

          Mew

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • juumanistra

            I appreciate the importance of symbolism, but symbolism alone does not justify the expense of retaining the Shuttle or, God help us, developing a new man-rated launch system. And does the ability to inspire the soul provide a basis for the retention of other programs that are not as productive as they can be in these tight fiscal times? After all, I’m sure the National Endowment of the Arts and NPR can do some soul inspiring. And yet I get sneaking suspicion most on our side of the ideological spectrum would not get dewey eyed about their passing if they passed into the ash heap of history tomorrow.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            you make good points re the structure of NASA’s mission. The history of NASA, NPR and NEA proves the fallacy of your analogy.

            Remember Sputnik.

          • juumanistra

            Aside from it being the worst thing to ever happen to manned spaceflight, of course.

            My point was not to analogize NASA with NPR and NEA. It was to analogize their proponents: If the Left responded to, say, the Spending Reduction Act that NPR and NEA should be spared the axe because they inspire the soul, most on the Right would scoff. Producing useful symbolism and fuzzy feelings ought not be sufficient to justify expenditures on the scale demanded by our current manned spaceflight regime. In many ways, if manned spaceflight’s purpose is to produce the aforementioned symbolism and fuzzy feelings, it’s little better than the ethanol boondoggle, except that there’re those on our side instead of the Left who’re willing to look beyond the squandered billions it consumes. Though such is debatable, I suppose, and reasonable folk can disagree.

            As an addendum to the discussion of the Vision Thing, I would note that such presidential visions tend to do more damage to American space policy than not. Kennedy’s vision to take man to the Moon in a decade so as to win the Space Race produced the massive achievements of Apollo. In the process, it created a massively dysfunctional institutional culture that has never been able to adapt to the “lean” post-Apollo years, is earnestly yearns to “recapture” the glory days of its youth, and which killed off or crowded most of the truly sustainable launch infrastructures being pursued by NACA. NASA’s own visions of a reusable orbiter launching and returning to Earth once a week locked it into a launch platform that hasn’t put a man beyond LEO in three decades while, simultaneously, launching once every three months. Bush 43′s vision of a return to the Moon saw the death of Project Prometheus and its various subsidiary projects, which was NASA’s great hope for undertaking serious science beyond the Asteroid Belt. I prefer presidents who’ll let the agency toil in anonymity, as most of the really good ideas — e.g. Prometheus — tend to originate out of such times.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            one of the main vehicles that responded to the threat that is ongoing.

            Yes, the Left is often wrong on SUBSTANCE and often wrongly apply arguments to A that should only apply to B. So?

            We make the arguments for what government ought to do and why its constitutional and smart and show how their false arguments are wrong.

            We don’t abandon perfectly good arguments just because the Left is stupid, wrong and/or co-opts our arguments and wrongfully applies them..

            You shouldn’t give so much power to the Left and so fear the Left. Man up brother. Drink tea! smile

            I suspect that our bottom line position on these matters are actually quite close with you being more willing to scrap NASA and have the Defense Dept do it and I would prefer keeping NASA given their already in place infrastructure and technical expertise.

          • juumanistra

            Our bottom lines, in general, are very much in alignment: The U.S. has serious interests in orbit and should take any and all steps necessary to protect them. At the moment, this is done through the USAF’s independent launch capacity and does not require man-rated craft. Should development of such be required, then the funds should be appropriated for a timely programmatic gestation post haste.

            Where we quibble is over whether the U.S. should be in the game of civil manned spaceflight. I suspect here we are irreconcilably divided: You will not convince me that, in the near future, the costs in blood and treasure required to keep putting men in LEO, let alone returning to Luna or beyond Earth’s orbit, will be justified by the potential returns. Just as I suspect I could not convince you that a continued American manned spaceflight is not a vital necessity in these fiscally austere times.

            Freed of the albatross of manned spaceflight — and assuming average annualized budgets hold at about where they have for the past two decades — the resources for defunct projects like JIMO, its Titan-destined sister program, and NASA’s various large spaceborne interferometer programs aimed at detecting and imaging nearby Earth-sized exoplanets. I’ve always been of the opinion that the wonderment of the cosmos would better be stoked by exploring the truly alien worlds of the outer Solar System than in putting men back on the Moon.

          • Doc Holliday

            I won’t spit out jargon like some here because I am no rocket scientist. I do know that we have created, tested, and proven thousands of technological advances from the space program that are taken for granted now in military ordnance, household appliances and factories that build and use items that came directly from the space program.

            If Obama is right that space is a waste of time, all the previous presidents of the last 50 plus years were wrong. So who was right?

          • juumanistra

            I never thought I’d be defending Barack Obama — especially here! — but he has never said that space is a waste. He has said, through his budgetary requests, that manned spaceflight does not justify the costs associated with the development of a new man-rated launch system. This is eminently defensible, in light of Rule #38 of Akin’s Laws of Spacecraft Design. (When keeping a new manned space program affordable and on schedule, whatever you do, do not design a new launch platform.) Both NASA and the USAF retain access to plenty of non-man-rated launch platforms, through both private vendors such as the United Launch Alliance and SpaceX, as well as the USAF’s independent launch capability.

            As said elsewhere in the thread, manned spaceflight is hard: It increases the mass requirements needed for a given task by absurd ratios, mass that can better be used by unmanned systems for more mission-related payload. Given our current defense posture and space policy, shedding manned flight will allow us to pursue our respective goals more efficiently and more effectively.

          • acat

            As JFK found, eh?

            The reference, by the way, was Daniel Burnham. I’ll suggest you look it up.

            It’s not about dollars – the NASA budget is a pittance – but NASA used to be one of the points the country could look at and have some pride in. Easier to do that with a guy who’s been in orbit than with a robot golf cart on Mars, even if to the scientific community the robot golf cart is cooler.

            Not saying NASA is the right agency, just saying that the idea that we should abandon manned space flight because it’s “expensive” is an accountants’ foolishness. Get rid of all the spices in restaurants, then – they cost too much too…

            Mew

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        and would that Dixie’s Marshall Plan had been half as large as Europe’s non-United States.

      • Doc Holliday

        technology has advanced beyond the shuttle program. Your criticism of those Texas engineers is noted, but not shared.

        • juumanistra

          Having reread what I had originally posted, I cannot find where I said that you were in favor of continuing employment of the Shuttle. If it was implied, mea culpa.

          My potshot was not aimed at the engineers themselves. It was aimed at the agency’s bureaucracy and its enablers in Congress, for whom keeping thousands of well-payed employees in their districts working was an end-point in and of itself, rather than a byproduct of the process of achieving a particular goal. Such thin gruel of space policy goes a good deal of the way to explaining why, exactly, we’ve spent the last four decades going to and from LEO every few months.

  • Bean

    While I’d like to see continued space flights come from NASA, I wouldn’t be opposed to them becoming an FAA for private space launches. Why not?

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • juumanistra

        NASA hasn’t mattered since 1986 or so. Following the Challenger disaster, the military realized it could not afford to allow NASA to have a monopoly on launching capabilities, and so it cultivated a redundant one at Vandenberg AFB.

        To this day the military continues to uses its own launch capability through Vandenberg: One could fold up NASA tomorrow and it wouldn’t affect the USAF’s launching time-table one bit.

        • acat
          • juumanistra

            The USAF has never put a man into orbit, because it has never needed to. Its failure to need to does not flow from NASA’s provision of launch services, but rather that the U.S. as a matter of policy scrupulously avoided the militarization of space during the Cold War. This was probably a good thing, because the idea of untouchable orbital battlestations and cis-Lunar battleships with the capability of raining down atomic hellfire from on-high is the stuff nightmares are made of.

          • acat

            Your assertion is that the USAF duplicates NASA’s capabilities… and for putting unmanned stuff into orbit, this is true.

            What I’m pointing out is that the USAF lift capabilities are not man-rated. Never were.

            Should we want to get off this ball of mud, it appears we won’t be doing so in USAF vehicles.

            Mew

          • juumanistra

            Did I assert that the USAF duplicates NASA’s man-rated capabilities? If so, such was not my intention: My point was that the USAF maintains its independent launch capability to guarantee that it maintains the orbital access it requires. As the military has no need for men in orbit, the USAF does not need to maintain man-rated launch capability. (Though it is as a shame, as nothing screams a certain lyric from Team America quite like the Space Battleship Orion.)

            We’re not getting off of Earth in any volume for the duration of both of our natural lives. Whether or not NASA is orbiting a dozen or more astronauts a year, or the USAF is forced to mull over acquiring a man-rated launch capability because NASA’s lost its, will not affect the rate at which man advances out into the universe one iota.

            So best get comfortable with this little mudball of ours. It’s rather nice, all things considered.

          • acat

            We got to the moon on 1960s tech. My cell phone has more computing power and memory than the platform on the orbiter. The CPUs on the space shuttle are from IBM PC-XTs, for crying out loud – not even good enough to run Windows 3.1. Engineering and especially materials science have come a long way in the last four decades. A re-design of the shuttle would look a lot different today, eh?

            What hasn’t changed is the, as someone put it, outdated bureaucracy trying to recapture its’ glory days… NASA both refuses to do manned missions and stand squarely in the way of private manned missions.

            As for our little mudball, while parts are quite nice, I hardly see the human race giving up the idea of the stars. … and I also see the best way to ensure that any future grandchildren or great-great-whatevers of mine who live beyond the sky to live free is for us, rather than another culture, to get there first.

            We’re just not trying – and to say it’s for “budgetary reasons” is simply asinine. NASA don’t want to turn over what they see as their mission, becomming a glorified arm of the FAA, but they don’t have the budget – and can’t get it from the private sector – to do manned missions. I would like to see either NASA leave exiting and re-entering to the FAA, or getting back into the manned game. Don’t care which, but .. pick one and get out of the way.

            Mew

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            began with government ventures. But colonization did not become possible not profitable until private companies, like the Dutch East India Company, and the British East India company, were formed.

            Space exploration will be the same. Some government of course, but the next wave will rely upon the profit motive and private enterprise.

          • acat

            was the Crown standing on the docks demanding they not leave because their ships weren’t safe enough?

            NASA either needs to lead or to get out of the way.

            Mew

          • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

            …maybe we’d see some reason for private spaceflight to be profitable, but given the current slanders directed toward profit, I wonder if anyone would bother?

            I’ve been rethinking some of my beliefs about NASA, guess being hung up on the old days of moon landings just to beat the Soviets were stuck in my head. Maybe NASA should become something of a space FAA? I can’t help thinking about all the Congress Critters mucking up the various processes with their demands for pork, causing cost overruns by constantly changing specs and demands to benefit constituents.

            At the same time, crap feel-good mandates like the one that leaked out earlier make me think that’s all NASA will ever again be allowed to be, some leftist social experiment…

          • acat

            E.E. Smith for the expectation that if we can find a way to get gold, platinum, etc. out of the moon or other celestial body, that’ll do it.

            Robert Byrd because, IIRC, one of his deals required NASA to use coal-generated electricity… not sure if that’s true, and don’t have time to look it up but .. NASA has been a cookie jar since it was spun out of the DoD in the first place.

            Mew

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    the Israelis build a settlement on the moon.

    • acat
  • kowalski

    Very briefly, my feelings could be summarized as saying:

    In the area of manned spaceflight NASA are no longer the group of people you want taking the risks: they are incredibly risk-averse and totally bloated bureaucratically, and because they’re an agency of the Federal Government, they’re completely sclerotic. Our government no longer has the fire in their belly to make risking human lives in manned spaceflight a serious priority. That could be temporary, but nevertheless it is the way it is now.

    I don’t have any great affection for Richard Branson politically or personally, but I still do think what he’s doing is admirable and necessary: he is transferring the risk and enthusiasm for manned spaceflight out of the public domain and into the private. Where risk takers can pay to participate and are willing to ante up the money to not just ride on the spacecraft but develop the next version of it.

    I think that’s where it should be. Space exploration for human beings is an enormously risky and expensive process, but there are tremendous rewards. We should keep doing it, but we shouldn’t expect governments to do it for us. More importantly, there are enormous private rewards to be gained if it is successful. And if it isn’t so successful, governments will always continue to regulate it.

    Our biggest problem from a technological point of view is the need to get away from rockets as the primary boosters into orbit. Branson’s device does this to a certain extent, and companies should be leading the way in improving what he’s doing. Rockets are great as weapons but thery’re terrible ways to deliver people and cargo into orbit and beyond and bring them back safely: they’re tremendously wasteful and extremely dangerous. They exist at the limits of our engineering ability.

    What we need is a regulatory regime that will encourage people who have ideas to take risks and allow them to take risks. I think the money is there, privately. I don’t know whether that means some Qatari mogul will build the first interplanetary spacecraft carrying human beings or not, but I think it’s the way we’re going.

    It could be that the government should get out of manned spaceflight entirely and use private contractors to do it. I have had a sea-change in thinking about this in the past year or so: looking at how neglected and wasteful the Shuttle program has been over the years, I have really started to think that we would do better privately. The Shuttle is a late-1960s piece of technology that has been kept on life support since I was 7 or 8 years old.

    It might be romantically sad that we’re letting it go, but once you really pierce the romance, it’s probably a good thing: it’s a horrendously expensive, obsolete vehicle.

    • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

      …servicing satellites, not a bad thing when I consider the bureaucratic nightmare NASA is no doubt becoming, as you say.

      Maybe we should address a package of repair parts to the ISS and give it to Fed Ex and see what happens?

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Did I miss something? Didn’t the NASA director already tell us something like that?

    • bobmontgomery

      as well.

      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41352