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The First Debate

Someone I talked to today said:

“I’ll also say that a “tie” in this debate, a foreign policy debate which is supposedly McCain’s specialty, means that Obama won.”

Yes you would. And you did. And everyone you know has said the same thing. This morning in many columns, in many newspapers, reporters said the same thing

I’ve been thinking about the debate, as I’ve gone about my day.

Now I happen to think that last night was, simply put: McCain being McCain and Obama being Obama. Really… I don’t think its any more simple than that.

But laying in that sentence might be victory for McCain and loss for Obama.

The people that will decide this election are not you and me.

I let that statement stand alone… please read it again… it is key.

The people that will decide this election are about 100,000 voters in each of just a few of states:

Ohio
Pennsylvania
Michigan
Maybe Virginia
Maybe New Hampshire

These voters will not be Black… 95% plus are already voting for Obama

These voters will not be Hispanic… these states do not have large Hispanic populations

These voters are going to be white, have two years or less of college, work a blue-collar job, and live a very middle-class life.

Many will be Scotch Irish…

Who might those voters think won last night?


McCain repeatedly put Barack Obama on the defensive throughout the debate. Obama did little to ease voter concerns that he’s experienced enough to handle foreign and defense policy. That was his number one task last night and I suggest that wit these voters he failed.

The fighter and the college professor that in fact Obama has been. Obama often meandering, unable to state a quick, forceful position.
McCain called Obama “naive” at a couple points in the debate, like an old master lecturing a young understudy. Obama never seemed able to attack back.

Current events have Americans a bit rattled and between the two, McCain came off as the most reassuring. The crabby, grumbling, hotheaded McCain was nowhere to be seen.

Instead we saw a calm, seasoned, [b][u]forceful[/b][/u] commander. If you looked at your television and squinted slightly, you could better picture him addressing the country during a time of national crisis than Obama. Obama was often left flashing his smile and shaking his head at McCain. McCain never got rattled or flustered, he just constantly stayed focused on the attack.

Some pundit on the left bemoaned that when McCain pressed his attack, Obama should have countered; ‘are you going to talk down to a leader like Putin like that?’ Obama’s supporters should be glad he let that one go by… for these voters would have answered ‘oh hell yes!’

Whether or not these voters have had a rough life, they view themselves as fighters… taking of life rather than being handed it. Who do you think they view as a better President? A college professor or a scrappy old fighter with just his guts and experience going for him?

If…if this was all planed and tested by Team McCain and if they can keep the narrative going, Obama will have a very tough time. Obama needs those voters, he’s going to have to find a way to win them over. Last night was not the way to do it.

If, as I suspect the two men were just being themselves? Then Obama may have already lost. We need only to count the votes.

COMMENTS

  • PaRep

    Just showing their Lack of Intelligent that’s al

    • MainelyFree

      I’m just glad he didn’t get his ass handed to him last night. If you happened to see any of the debates with Obama vs. Clinton it was awful. Clinton mopped him up.

      P.S. I’ve resisted posting because I don’t want to be seen as a troll and I don’t come here to argue. I tried to make my post as neutral as I could.

      • MainelyFree

        It was a comparison of the public’s irritation at Gore’s sighing and McCain’s mannerisms last night.

        Also, I agree the media is making this into something more than it deserves to be but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. I’ll repeat, what I saw in McCain last night was some hard hitting on Obama — they were fair hits and it was the right forum to do them in.

        • Moe_Lane

          …don’t throw swear words or name-calling around, and generally don’t act like a twerp fresh from YouTube (and you’d be amazed how many people can’t seem to work any of that out for themselves) you’ll be perfectly safe here. I mean, we’re not a discussion/common ground site, but we don’t immediately purge all left-deviationist thought, either.

          Moe

          PS: One specific piece of advice, though: think three times and review twice any post mentioning Sarah Palin. I have been personally offended by some of the filth that’s been thrown at her over the last month – the “father/daughter incest” smears were pretty much the last straw – and by now I ban first and worry about whether it’s justified not at all.

          None of this was directed at you personally, but you sounded at least mildly concerned.

          • PaRep

            HUH??

          • ChicagoLaura

            I love ya, man, but you oughta try out the “Preview Comment” button before posting. I can’t read your last two posts!

            Either that or breathe deeply…this infiltration, too, shall pass. He said he enjoys reading the opinions here. Let’s be charitable, shall we?

          • PaRep

            That is what happens when you are watching 2 football games & posting

            KIDS DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME !!!!

            LOL!!!!!

  • tsquare

    “Anyway, I think Red State is missing the narrative as it is being written in media right now.”

    We know to ignore it.

    The debate did nothing for people… left or right… that post here. The debates are for ‘everyone else’

    Mr. Obama would seem to have a problem ‘locking those voters down’

    MainelyFree: as a Obama supporter, do you have any thoughts on this?

    • MainelyFree

      “Mr. Obama would seem to have a problem ‘locking those voters down’”

      I agree. Long winded answers, that include a detailed reasoning ends up losing people’s attention, and even worse, have tagged him as an elitist. Since, Bill Clinton, Dems have had a hell of a time finding anyone who can give short-sharp answers.

      Obama can give a great speech, but it doesn’t translate well to a question and answer format. He’s just too much of a lawyer.

      • Moe_Lane

        1.5 terms as Governor of Illinois. Seriously.

        • MainelyFree

          Experience gets you in the game, but it doesn’t win the election. This country is too split for that.

          Unfortunately POTUS elections are decided on the whims of a small percentage of “low information” voters. I mean, who at this stage of the election, could be paying attention and still be undecided. What is left to learn? The low info. voters are basing their decision on momentum and personality, not experience or policy positions.

          • Moe_Lane

            …would help with that sounding-like-a-lawyer problem that you mentioned. :)

          • MainelyFree

            I can’t argue with that.

          • tsquare

            That (IL Gov) would be his ‘fall back’ plan should he lose. That would also ‘kill off’ the biggest objection people have with Obama: no (little) experience.

            And hey, the job could be opening up soon…

  • MainelyFree

    I’ll admit right up front that I’m voting Obama, but I do come here because I enjoy reading some conservative opinions…

    Anyway, I think Red State is missing the narrative as it is being written in media right now. By all account McCain’s answers were articulate and thoughtful, but people keep coming back to his perceived anger or condensation. Frankly, I did really see it and was a bit disappointed Obama didn’t hit back as hard.

    However, McCain’s anger (or perception of) is a huge problem for him. If people are still talking about that tomorrow and Monday, I’d say it is over for him.

    Do you recall what happened to Gore in 2000 after the first debate. He went into that debate with a lead, and by most accounts won the debate on points, but people were put off by his sighing. It got to the point that is all that people would talk about and it cost the election.

    If SNL does a funny skit on the “anger issue,” which it probably will, it is all people will be talking about in Sunday — just like the Palin/Clinton bit. If it gets to that point, McCain is going to have to do something VERY dramatic to change the narrative.

  • Moe_Lane

    …but wishing doesn’t make it so.

    Moe Lane

    PS: That was your guy hitting back… as hard as he dares. And I’m morally certain that he ended the night screaming at his staff.

  • c17wife

    mischaracterizations your guy has been spreading, I’m pretty proud of old Johnny Mac. I know it would take every single ounce of self control I have in me to keep from punching him in the face.
    He did just fine. In fact, some of us wish he would have gone for Barack’s jugular and called him out for the lying POS he really is.

    He is nothing but a Chicago thug and his minions are nothing more either.

  • Moe_Lane

    None connected.

    The comparison of Bush to Obama at the end, though… hee.

  • PaRep

    Hey SLAPPY I would be mad to it Obama had McCain’s **CONDENSATION on him

    YOU ROCKET SCIENTIST !!!!!!!!

    Get out of High School 1st & then come play with the big Boys

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensation

  • Moe_Lane

    We don’t toss liberals for being liberals.