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Poland, RIP. Fate doffs its cap to Moscow

You know the news. Moe has published it as I was writing this diary. When I googled it I found this near the top of the page. Conspiracy theories indeed do abound. I’ve been on the phone and email all day and can confirm this, and am quite sure governments of all the old Soviet Bloc in the east will be meeting well into the night assessing and reassessing their new position via Moscow. The people in the streets? Well…

For context, you have to understand Katyn Forest, where for nearly 50 years it was believed the Germans took 8000 Polish officers and executed them. I knew a woman from Budapest whose husband, a strong member of the Party, had lost his father at Katyn. He hated the Germans, even east Germans, with a virulence few can imagine. When he learned after the fall of the USSR that it was the Soviets, not the Germans, who executed his father, the combined disillusionment and shame caused him to take a pistol to his own head. His wife told me this no emotion.

In a mark of sheer cynicism, I don’t know what year, but the Russians built a huge memorial park at Katyn, which alongside Lidice, (a town in Czechoslovakia, where Himmler had lined up the entire town and shot them because of the assassination of his #2 henchman, a fellow named Heydrich) was the major site of actual, in-your-face Nazi atrocities. Yes, more than Auschwitz, Belsen, etc, since the Russians didn’t really like Jews either.

For years, school children were bussed in to visit Katyn…from all over the eastern Bloc. My friends in Bulgaria said it was obligatory to send one “brigade” a year and the competition was keen among Young Pioneers to be selected.

Of course, when it was revealed the Soviets had done this deed, after Poland had already broken away, hatred on both sides deepened. And with Ukraine and the Baltics, at least for now, outside the Russian orbit, Poland is the only former bloc country still on its border. And for reasons I cannot fathom, many Russians are in a deep state of denial about their countrymens’ culpability at Katyn. I can’t explain this, but it sends many Russians into a sullen quiet at the mere mention of its name.

Which brings us to today. Facts about the air crash will emerge, but guess what? The Russian are in charge of the facts and the fact-gathering. This I have been told half a dozen times this morning alone. So you can see why it is easy for cynicism to turn to conspiracy.

And it really doesn’t matter. Whether Moscow or Fate sent this message it was received loud and clear, and with Barack Obama’s timely bowing out of that region only this past Tuesday, on behalf of the American peoples, they all understand coincidence. And they also understand the new reality, which is moving like a virus throughout the streets of eastern Europe today, long before it will ever be revealed as policy.

Did the Russians really do this? I seriously doubt it, but as with all conspiracies, it can never be disproved to the satisfaction of nearly 100 million people who’ve suddenly found themselves living under a shadow they’d thought had been turned away. Besides, as Rahm might say, “You should never let a good crisis to to waste.”

Could they do it? Yes, of course. Would they do it? Hell, yes.

COMMENTS

  • penguin2

    repercussions. To an already fragile political arena, unexpected and unplanned for disruption, can lengthen the shadows already there. IMO, too many people in this country underestimate the events occurring in Eastern Europe and Russia. Maybe we have been lulled into a false sense of security these past couple of decades. We need to be suspicious and aware, not complacent. Nothing in recent world events leads me to believe that Russia is concerned about us, they do not fear our strength. They may still pay attention to our military might, but they see our psychological weakness. Those weakness cards are the ones the Obama administration keeps dealing.

    I pray and hope that the freedoms so valiantly fought for by the Polish people, will be upheld. I also pray that the shadow can be pushed back once again.

  • JSobieski

    some just chose to believe the Soviet lies because . . . well, its easier to believe a lie told by the SOB with tanks in your yard then to insist on the innocence of a bunch of other SOB’s who used to have tanks in your yard.

    Nobody knows what the future may bring, but rest assured, that Poland has always appreciated the risks that she faces. It is no accident that Poland’s two largest parties are actually center-right parties.

    One has a more social issues focus (the party of the President), and the other has a more economic issues focus (the party of the PM), but both are very much right and pro-US in terms of foreign policy.

    Really bad timing with respect to the arms control treaty. So many coincidences and so much history . . .

    • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

      not going up now.

      The timing couldn’t have been worse from our perspective although I’d rather it hadn’t happened at all.

      My first reaction was an icy dagger of fear right in the heart. I haven’t sorted out any other emotions, yet.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    In my heart I know this to a mora certainty. I also know that the Russians would have been very unlikely to do this when Bush was the strong supporter and defender of Eastern Europe.

    Obama’s behavior toward this region and Georgia sent a very clear signal to Russia and to these people.

    So add Obama and his henchmen to the list of culpable parties.

    And add this to the items to be cleaned up when America is once again governed by men.

    • JSobieski

      If Russia doesn’t give access to the black box in a manner that inspires confidence, Putin does not deserve the presumption of innocence.

      • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

        …just expect to find yourself making more noise than State

        • janis

          That should make everything just hunky-dory. This one will say “Relapse.”

      • janis

        When I heard Putin’s “assurances” that he would be heading up the investigation, it crossed my mind that he might as well hang out a sign saying, “I might not have done it, but I could have. You still want to try having America on your ‘side’?”

        • JSobieski

          that hey, this is exactly what you expect and what you fear.

          The fact that Putin wants to implicitly “take credit” for those who suspect foul play has got to be one of the biggest head fakes of the past 20 years on the international stage,

          I do fear for Poland. I do think Putin wants to provoke some kind of reaction in Poland, and who can blame the Poles for assuming the worst.

          Everybody knows that Putin is an old KGB guy, and there is nothing those guys are afraid to pull off. I don’t know much about flying, but with bad conditions in the air, how hard could it be to trigger an accident with “sloppy” air traffic control?

        • GregInFla

          Since Russia is such a fine ally now, and all … Maybe we can send Jimmy Carter to make sure everything is on the up and up.

    • Icythus

      Of all the tragedies of this administration, I think that foreign policy is the worst. We can repeal health care, role back regulations, cut taxes, and fix the economy, but how do you gain back respect so precipitously and completely squandered?

      In an ideal, fantasy world, it could through be some kind of Godfather-style reckoning with America’s enemies, where as the new president is sworn in in 2012, we get cut-away montages of Putin, Khameini, Ahmadinajhad, Bashar Assad, Hugo Chavez, and Kim Jong Il dispatched by various means, and our allies once again feel secure and tin pots like Qaddafi come hat-in-hand to make nice. But in the real world, I think we’re in for a long, dark, decades-long slog as a result of Obama’s reckless, destructive agenda.

      • E Pluribus Unum

        I think the world understands the two factions in the US (just like many other countries have factions down similar lines, like Britain, Israel, France, Spain, Australia and so forth). And I think it’s well understood that the 45% minority in America is (a) hopping furious over the actions of the current majority, and (b) extremely likely to regain control in part in 2011 and in total in 2013.

        So I doubt, down in the core, that respect (and fear) will be immediately renewed. The problem is exactly this – alot of those bad players — Russia, China, NK, Iran, Al Queda, etc — know that they have a window of opportunity while America is uncharacteristically weak. So, the real question is, can Israel survive the next 3 years? Can Taiwan, Honduras, the Orange Revolution, Lebanon, Poland, and Czech Republic, the SA neighbors of Hugo Chavez? if they can hang on, help is on the way.

        I don’t know the answer, as to who will survive. But I think the bad players know, just like the Iranian revolutionaries in 1979-1981, that the jig is up on January 20, 2013. Whatever is not done on that day, won’t get done.

        Because the sherriff will return to town, and everybody knows he will be good and pissed, locked and cocked, and at his disposal the mightiest military the world has ever seen.

        • E Pluribus Unum

          The first line of that second para should read:

          So I doubt, down in the core, that respect (and fear) will not be immediately renewed.

  • Ender

    and based on the “facts” available I would err on the side of not, as a former Russian citizen it hurts me to see such a huge blow dealt to our Polish friends.

    I despise my former homeland’s government and policies and am dismayed at our current accommodating attitude towards them.

    The Russians lie to our faces all the time but their lies are taken as gestures of good will, while constant proof of their lies is being hidden and dismissed by the Media and Government.

    • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

      But no matter, it is what the people over there believe , as it is their lives that will be changed in many different ways.

      If an accident, as you say, it will work to the benefit of Russia just as if it had been planned, and in either case, had we continued to be steadfast friends to the people of East Europe, it wouldn’t have mattered.

      • JSobieski

        It is a country rich in natural resources, they have produced some great writers and thinkers, lots of great scientists and mathematicians —– has any country so richly blessed managed to squander it so badly?

        • janis
          • JSobieski

            numerous chess champions, nobel prize winners in mathematics, the variety of minerals, etc.

            Mexico has oil, the best continental location on the globe, and a people of faith. Is Mexico on the list of tragic disappointments? Sure, but Russia has to be #1 over the last couple of centuries. The bloodletting alone, is humbling to think about. How many Russians died fighting the Nazis?

            Russia has so much more than Mexico, and yet Russia actually has less than nothing. Russia is the older brother who constantly disappoints, in many respects, out of jealously and resentment.

            It is a story of biblical proportions in many respects, and I suspect the future will be more of the same.

          • janis

            cruelty, oppression, and murder. Iran is another in that series of countries well blessed with resources, a rich history, and a formerly well-educated populace. When, I wonder. will humanity evolve to the point that it recognizes that only freedom, faith, and adherence to the law of loving one another as He has loved us is the only way to succeed, both as a country and as a world.

          • JSobieski

            Cyrus has been rolling in the grave for several centuries now.

          • JSobieski

            A country which has virtually no latent, but luck enough to have a lot of oil.

            Russia has lots of oil, lots of talent, etc. but is nonetheless the Saudi Arabia of Europe (because all those natural resources that exist outside European Russia).

            I don’t think humanity will evolve quite as successfully as you ponder—-the devil will be with us until the end of days

          • mbecker908

            Pancho Villa.

            Actually, I’d argue that Mexico has nothing to be disappointed about since, from the inception of the country, they’ve never attempted anything.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            Russia = Dilbert — accomplishes all he attempts yet fails to achieve satisfaction
            Mexico = Wally — attempts nothing and achieves satisfaction in the process

            which would mean

            France = the PHB — as with Napoleons I and III, able to harass, but never permanently fulfill his dream of domination

          • JSobieski

            nt

          • mbecker908

            set just after the fall of the Soviet Union. It’s called “Vodka”. Can’t remember the author. The story was pretty third rate, but the relationship of vodka to Russia and the general state of mind of Russians over the last four centuries was pretty interesting. And, it’s a quick read.

          • JSobieski

            which says a lot about the role of Vodka. I will check it out.

            I highly recommend The Bedbug by Mayakowsky. He was originally a true believer who wrote some subtle satire about the USSR.

            http://books.google.com/books?id=2qIrVihyT3cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:Vladimir+inauthor:Mayakovsky&hl=en&ei=hGTBS4mdNoK8lQeNxonbBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

          • Achance

            snow machine accidents, and suicide are the primary causes of death and always with alcohol involved. Same roots too: dependency on a socialist economy, no real jobs and the jobs that do exist are simply make-work to support social services and government in places that shouldn’t exist economically. So, people sit around and drink and think bad thoughts.

          • Achance

            and genuinely nice, remarkably conservative guy. Truly remarkably since he grew up and was educated during the Soviet Era. Back when we were both single we’d get together from time to time at his house. His idea of a pleasant evening was classical music on the stereo, a big, big meal of potatoes, greens, and pig meat, and then an evening of deep, dark, philosophical and political conversation.

            So, as soon as the table was cleared, out of the freezer came the bowl of ice cubes that held a dozen or so nice crystal shot glasses and the liter of vodka. The idea was that you used those shots as punctuation marks in a long evening’s conversation. If you only drank the good vodka and on a full stomach, you wouldn’t have a hangover the next morning but you’d have an IQ of six! I think that half the country having an IQ of six when they show up at work explains a lot about Russia.

          • JSobieski

            Great company, but dangerous to go camping with.

          • Icythus

            That place is as close to hell-on-earth as they come, and yet, in terms of natural advantages, it’s one of Africa’s most abundantly blessed nations. Yet it is an unmitigated, mind-boggling tragedy.

          • JSobieski

            The Congo is not known for its artists, mathameticians, ballet, opera, theoretical physicists, etc.

        • aesthete

          Formerly Ceylon, it was a model province for both the Dutch and the British, a net exporter of goods, and near-perfect relations between the various ethnic groups. When it gained its independence, it regressed to a socialist republic, political and ethnic violence, and lost virtually everything that it had developed.

          On the flip side, Japan, Singapore, and Hong Kong’s dearth of natural advantages prove that you really don’t need much in the way of natural resources to achieve prosperity, and show that institutions (both cultural and political) are of tremendous importance.

          • JSobieski

            Yet it very much works. Wherever English soldiers were based in the 1700′s or 1800′s has a chance of being a decent place to live now.

            Places that didn’t have an English presence in the day tend to be a lot less hospitable now.

            Not a coincidence.

          • aesthete

            are at the top of virtually all economic freedom/competitiveness lists.

  • Achance

    and “Controlled flight into terrain” are the two most common epitaphs for pilots. For those who saw the “Diehard” in which the bad guys reset the ILS to crash planes coming into DC, that can’t have been what happened here because the Polish ILS wouldn’t talk to the Russian ILS, presuming even that there was ILS at this small military airport; the pilot was flying by hand and eye on a calculated glide slope, not following a beam.

    The way it works is there is a radio beacon near an airport and you come to that beacon at a set speed and altitude. At the beacon, you put the nose down to a specific glide angle and hold the plane at a specific, predetermined speed What you’re doing is tracing the hypotenuse of a right triangle from the spot in space and time above the beacon down to the outer marker beacon at the airport. Of course, this isn’t precise enough to actually land the plane safely so there is some predetermined minimum altitude in which you must have the runway in sight. That’s usually 500 to 1000 feet but can be as low as 300 feet if there are no obstacles around. Either this guy was being pressured to get into that airport or let the challenge get the best of him and he made or had forced on him a very bad decision to try to cheat the minimum. It cost him and almost a hundred other souls on board their lives.

    • Icythus

      I just saying…from where I’m sitting, it would have been easy. Unlikely, since it depended on bad weather and would have required a pretty quick decision on a major, dangerous course of action by the Russians, but still…not out of the question.

      • Achance

        still had to have visual contact with the runway at an altitude that would allow a go-around, usually 3-500 feet and that measurement would be from the aircraft’s own altimeter. Even a true “blind landing” on ILS where you really do ride a beam requires visual contact at the minimum. Even the GPS-based systems that the US military and Alaska Airlines use have a visual minimum.

        Whatever the Russians might or might not have done, the pilot cheated the minimum and lost.

  • factapple

    Obama pulling out from plans for the missle defense system for Poland sent a message to Moscow – America would not stand up to Russian aggression.

    • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

      This is the new reality, as app 100 million are now assessing in their lives. As I have often said, the greatest sin is indifference, and Mr Obama has distributed in spades to east Europe.

      The shame.

  • Stan(ley) Pruss

    Have you read Henryk Sienkiewicz’s Trilogy? The translation by W.S. Kuniczak was recommended to me a couple years ago. It is no longer in print. It can be borrowed from libraries or bought used from Amazon. It is a magnificant series and I feel it has much to say about today. In my paranoid moods I wonder if the liberals want to suppress it.

    • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

      VB

      • Stan(ley) Pruss

        That is the first book of the trilogy

  • Icythus

    but even if Putin and the Russians weren’t responsible for this, I wouldn’t doubt for a NANOSECOND that they would have if given the opportunity. This is the country and the political system that produced Beria, Khruschev, Andropov, etc., and Putin is as much a product of that school as any of them were. There’s no other word to describe it than EVIL, all-caps.

    And maybe somebody can illuminate me, but one of the principle pieces of “evidence” for this being an accident was that the Polish pilot was warned off several times by the Russian air traffic controllers, and pressed ahead anyway. Whose word do we have on this? The Russians? Are we really going to accept that at face value? Especially considering the speed with which Putin inserted himself into the investigation. I’m highly suspicious.

    • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

      We can throw ourselves against the now invisible Iron Curtain seeking evidence forever but it won’t help the circumstances that are now shrouding Poland.

      At this point in time, I would rather focus on what can be done for Poland, if anything. Time and distance often has a way of uncovering the truth whether it was a tragic accident or something more sinister but it won’t help Poland now.

      • Scope

        about the tragedy with the Poles. I’m sorry but, it almost sounds like you are saying, too bad, the Obama admin. left Poland behind, and, now they are on their own. Hope they do OK.

        • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

          The world has just become a much more dangerous place in one giant leap where it was becoming that in short bounds. We have neither the time nor the luxury of waiting to see if it was a deliberate tragedy or not;

          One day we might get the opportunity to know conclusively but it’s not going to help the people of Poland now, which is what should be focused on. Given our own precarious position with the Appeaser in Chief, our options for helping Poland are slim but we have to do what we can.

          If that’s cold-hearted to you, I can’t help that.