This will appear in three parts, beginning with this Overview.
Why I’m posting this on RedState is that 1) it entails a slightly different way of analyzing how to “get to” some would-be voters, 2) is the basis for the actions we (and others) will be involved in over the remainder of the election season, and 3) involves some things you can actually do at home.
Interestingly, just three days ago I was only considering “walking back the Blues”, for which we’ve gotten a little financial support, and which I will lay out in detail later in the week. That involves planting seeds of discord against the Democrats among certain groups in solid Blue districts which may assist in walking back their numbers in that district, say from 70% to 60%, something like that. You’ll agree, unless a win is possible there no one wants to throw much money that way, but still some poor GOP schlub has to march out there and take one on the chin for the party. You may wonder “What’s the point?” But by walking back those numbers, especially if They know it wasn’t an accident and some invisible hand had a hand in even a slight deterioration of Democrat power in a district, it has its own ripple effect that can carry over, cycle-to-cycle, from causing them to have to redirect their own assets, to eventually a district that is once again in play.
But just a few days ago, in my most recent post, “Citizens With the Bark On”, a LIfetime-NRA member from Missouri (Remnant60) mentioned that over half of NRA aren’t registered. He reminded me of something we tried to do locally here with small business in 2008, (where there is a lot of overlap with that same group of unregistered NRA members). Again, something that can be done close to home, and for little or no money.
It also put into clearer focus for me that the dynamics of registering and voting patterns are different for many voting sub-groups as defined by economic status, status vis a vis government, education, race/ethnicity, religion etc. This in turn highlights why the other side has to cheat, cajole and intimidate. In many ways we (who the hell are we?) have the “natural” advantage, meaning much of the Dem’s strategy is to get us to ignore or squander our own advantages while doing what needs to be done to maximize theirs. You’ve heard the old phrase “if the dead could speak”. In many Democrat districts they do, they have to. But the Democrats and their conspirators are very good at this, so don’t take this comment as being the least bit cavalier.
But this “pumping up” the Red numbers excites me because I believe this may mean there could be as many as a million new votes out there for us, and not a single one of them has to sneak across the Rio Grande or take a day off from his busy schedule in eternal repose in the cemetery of St John’s Trinity Church in East St Louis….in order to vote in two states. And we probably won’t need to spend millions to go get them.
Our analyses are “simple” (simplistic?) and unconventional in part because we don’t have a large staff, and while we have access to most of the voter data that’s in the public domain, all those numbers eventually reduce themselves to a few very narrow, simple decisions: Go or Don’t Go, Tackle or Don’t Tackle, Spend or Don’t Spend. Target or Don’t Target. It still depends on what you’re looking for when you look at them. Gen Eisenhower once said that asking the right question is 75% of the answer. It is also predicated on the notion that the parties, Dem and GOP, have their ducks (and money) more or less in a row, with scheduled fund raising planned, and even now only have to execute those plans according to a pre-determined timetable. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, winning is 90% hard work and the other half, having the right strategy. Only on our side, there’s the rub. Where the GOP is concerned, well, you can understand our worries, both about hard work and proper strategy. That’s why some people have decided to take things in their own hands. I’d rather hand over the entire GOP GOTV effort to some rather sophisticated folks right here on RedState than go to bed at night believing the RNC all by itself has all its bases covered.
What we’ll be doing, with our divining rod, will be to look for chinks in the defenses, (and crooks) in the interstices of that hell called the Democrat Party, as well as some Republican districts, who’re just not sure they really want “that kind of person” registering GOP.
Just take note: this election will defy conventional predictions or analysis, and possibly rewrite the whole process of analyzing election results. Using “Registered Voter” and “Likely Voter” categories the vast percentage of election time, media money and effort will be spent trying to execute plans to get those people to the polls…forgetting perhaps that a dynamic is already at play that is historic in nature (therefore unmeasurable against past elections) and that is the high percentage of citizens who have been engaged politically (outraged, if you prefer) for such a long, extended period before an election. Never happens. Most voters don”t wake up until October. That’s part of the standard equation for spending and serious polling. But by this election day it will have been a year and a half of steady drumbeat for millions of Americans who usually sleep until the last week of October.
(To be fair, sort of, In 2004, starting with the GOP convention, the Dem’s, with the help of Code Pink, “manufactured” a similar outrage that indeed did make it all the way to the 2008 election. Four whole years. They perfectly vilified Bush, and then they found the “perfect” candidate. They thought. Now, in a back handed sort of way, it can be said they also have “manufactured” this most recent explosion, and it’s from their own Hate-Bush projects that they have to believe that the Tea Party movement was “manufactured” just as theirs was, only by the VRWC. Unable to see “politics” in any other way, this may be the greatest and most costly mistake the Left has made…if we can only decide how best to capitalize on it. No matter, history will note, at least in folk memory from father to son, if we lose, the magnitude of this genuinely spontaneous, mass popular uprising, probably unlike anything since 1776. Let’s pray that beat goes on for another 30 months at least.)
The Natural Constituencies of the Democrats and Republicans.
Actually there are none. Rather, both parties are natural constituencies of the Constitution and the Republic, and have both evolved from that spot. (There is a third, a real third party which I’ll mention.) This is important to understand if only to properly fix your sextant. It was not until the Johnson Administration, possibly even later, that the Democrats totally dumped the Constitution, except as a symbolic relic, completely embracing a new god in its place.
The Republican Party was only formed in the 1850s, and was a righteous, constitutional party from the beginning, but that is not to say the older Democrats then were less-constitutional in their foundation. (Human rights vs States rights.) It was not until the late 1800s that both began taking on trappings, and developing constituencies, which today, we call “natural” but are really quite manufactured. At the same time they both began drifting away from the Constitutional promise.
The Republican Party simply was the party-in-power at the time of the great industrial expansion in the United States in the post Civil War era. So, by default, it became the party of capital. It’s natural constituency then were capitalists, who, while making up a tiny percentage of the population, owned or controlled well over half the total wealth of the country. To the extent that free markets are inextricably tied to the Constitution, it was (still is) easy to tie capitalism (a word I personally do not like, too many double-nintendos) to the purposes of the Founders and the overall pursuit of Liberty. But many capitalists looked at business and therefore the Constitution in a Darwinian sort of a way. You didn’t have to be a Mellon to see, when viewed from the higher perches of capitalism in those days, that the pursuit of profit might strain its relationship with the more noble purposes of the Founders. Between 1870 and 1900 I doubt if the Constitution could ever get a fair flip of the coin with the mercantilist, monopolistic interests of capitalism …who always carried a two-headed double eagle in their watch pocket.
So then, if the GOP naturally inherited capital, it fell to the Democrats to inherit labor….which by the 1880s-1890s was taking on a more continental aspect, arising out of the various ‘isms (socialism, Marxism) of Europe’s academies. So, standing opposite one another, we had 5% of the population controlling 50% of the wealth, and 25% of the population owning perhaps 10% of it…the “natural constituencies” of the Republican and Democrat parties. And of course, by 1900 the total farm population of the United States dropped to 38%, the majority of those (by population, not acreage) in the South. They too became a “natural constituency” of the Democrats. (That has since changed.)
I mention this, because both parties were shaped in this period, Capital vs Labor, the boss vs the working man, the townie vs the rube, the university man vs the store clerk, but both clinging to a self-interested understanding of where their vision fit into the Constitutional scheme. See, still, it was a constitutional viewpoint.
What is often overlooked in our more recent revisiting of history from 1900 forward through the Depression and WWII, is how far away both parties fell from the Constitution. Progressivism reflected both a cultural (noblesse oblige) view of government vis a vis society (Republican) and a engineering and management (socialist) view, which Achance laid out so well here on RS a few weeks back, and which seems to be misinterpreted by many today, inasmuch that by 1930 the Constitution, and it promises of individual liberty had become almost de classe in both parties, except for the legal scholars in the court system…and those teeming millions of immigrants who totally tore up all the Marxist notions of “worker” and capitalist notions of “free enterprise” …and went their own way.
I’ve said this elsewhere, in other contexts, but the greatest voting bloc out there are these people, (actually their children) they are still the real natural constituencies of the Constitution, and no one else. Of late, as you’ve probably noticed, many of them didn’t (still don’t) know this anymore, and many had forgotten. They’ve been reminded, and now make up the bulk of the Tea Party movement. Historically they have been the despoilers of almost all economic theories of the day.
Marx saw the “worker” as a fixed class, like a Hindu caste, unable to move forward. Serfs. Tied to the job, which, incidentally, fit in well with the trade union idea of organizing labor, skilled and unskilled.
But unlike Europe, the American worker rarely stayed a worker very long, rarely beyond two generations, unless an Irish cop, Irish hook and ladder, Irish truck driver…a curious race, knocks on the door one day, starving and bedraggled, asking for work, three days later knocks again, hat in hand, saying “Begging your lardship’s pardon, but me and the boys here was wondering if we could speak ta ye about warking conditions…”.
The American worker turned Marx on his ear. They also turned the “capitalist establishment” (country club Republicans) into near irrelevance. From American labor in 1880-1930 arose a worker-class who stood for fair wages, decent hours, safety on the job, and thus good Democrats and good union men when there was one around to represent them. But they refused to sign that socialist contract, since taken up by the Democrats, that would bind their children and their grandchildren. They had grander plans, and most of us are the beneficiaries of those. We either have a dirt farmer or a factory immigrant in our tree. They refused to be lifetime constituents of any party. They had no intention of ever sending their children into that factory, that mill, that mine. It was to college they’d go. Or least enough schooling to get “outside” work, and maybe wear a white shirt, and marry up. Eventually, after WWII, and thanks to one of the few really good federal programs, the GI Bill, they formed the backbone of what was to become the bulk of the small business sector in the US. Until Obama this was the greatest mobility in America, unchecked from 1946 to 2008, even under Carter and Johnson…men who worked for day wages but who looked around and say to themselves, “i can do this better”…and strike out on their own….then prove it. Look in any city, and any business line, you will find the majority of companies on down the line from #1 to have been former employees of #1, often after #1 passed it off to his useless son. Nature’s ways, you gotta love it.
So, even as Democrats, as Ronald Reagan proved, they turned out not to be very reliable Democrats, for even as they voted for Labor on economic issues, they loved America, and refused to become what marked Labor worldwide, i.e., communist. Until the rise of the government employees union. These old rust belt unions were the “Guy Unions” (the others the “Skirts”). And each day, in one manner or another, they bowed down and blessed their fortune that their children could aspire to be anything, anything, in part in gratitude to their parents who first came here, but also in gratitude to “system” called America that it all possible. (Moses Sands once told me this was his only criteria on immigration…that every immigrant kiss the ground and thank God, the Founders, the Constitution, and the million or so who died preparing this table for them, for them and their generations, to use. “If they thank La Raza or the Democrat Party, we don’t want ‘em.”)
In short, these are not “natural constituencies” of the Democrats. The lesson they learned? Lock them into those jobs and those constituencies. This has been the Democrat playbook for many years now, and you must understand this…it is against all the natural inclinations of those people…even their black plantations.
But neither are these people naturally Republicans. Generationally they run back and forth, usually based on economic issues, taxes, wages, but it has been so long, so very long indeed, since there has been a “spiritual element” put on their plate to digest. Still we know, this is the most appetizing meal in America, FREEDOM, and fully a third of Americans are now denied a bite of this apple.
Only who is to offer it to them?
The problem is the dynamic of the parties themselves. Republicans, from their capitalist “country club” roots, tend to be exclusivists. As we’ve seen, people of faith, farmers, even small business, are invited into the Party, but only in a sort of junior membership sort of a way. They throw out issues that will make you vote their way, taxes, national defense, but really don’t want to sit down to dinner with you. Dick Gregory, my favorite black activist from the 60′s, said about race in the North and South, “In the South they don’t care how close you get just so long as you don’t get too big. In the North they don’t care how big you get, just so long as you don’t get too close.” He also described the Democrat and Republicans in their quest for constituencies.
Unlike the GOP, Democrats are inclusivists to the nth degree…only once in, you can’t get out. They will use every trick in the book to get you to sign up, then every form or bribery and coercion (If necessary) to keep you there once on board. That is, after all, how all socialists see their mission. When the Sandinistas took over Nicaragua they offered up what we call “the contract” to the mass poor of that country, and all signed on…until they read the fine print…that their contract bound over not only themselves, but their children and their generations. Hell no, the people said, and the fight was on. Many Americans have not yet understood the fine print. We have to find ways to make sure they do.
So, of the two, the Democrats are the more insidious, for obvious reasons. In a world where the Constitution ruled, they would be by far the more popular, for no one likes a snob. Only now they have their own upper class; wealthy, urbane, educated people, some inherited, some from sports, Hollywood, but very few from ever having actually built a thing…a company, a better mouse trap, even a really great tasting pastry…although their granddad might have…and it is this class their Republican counterparts (you call them RINOS, I call them Blue GOP, inasmuch as they are probably the true Republicans, not us)…most want to siphon off. I’ve done the numbers here. In the famous words of Joe Biden (and he’ been quoted by so many) BFD.
In other words, the natural constituencies of both parties are relatively small, and we approach them that way. It’s their territories we care about. Fair game.
I’ll carry this theme over into more specific categories in the following articles. We’ll deal with the specific constituencies in the following articles.
(Final note: If you want to take academic issue with some of my conclusions, these are merely the foundations for what we intend to accomplish this year. If you disagree, please feel free to make a note here, which I will in turn acknowledge, but then, please remind me again on June 21st, 2013, while Nancy, Harry, Barney, Chris and a few others are awaiting their first appeal, and Brother Barry is either in asylum in Tripoli, or trying to help his brother build another bedroom on the back of the shed so he can move in. I’m on a deadline for several people out there who have to kick off their own little “fire starting campaigns”, so I apologize in advance.)
Erick Erickson
Jeff Emanuel
Steve Maley
Caleb Howe
Rather like going back to school...
acat (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 6:27PM EDT (link)Some of this is quite intellectually dense – in the “concentrated” meaning.
Looking forward to the next part.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Vassar is quite akamai
remnant60 (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 8:54PM EDT (link)(HI pidgin for smart or knowing) of the showman’s adage of always leaving the audience more…
His writing reminds me very much of an old friend I had during the Reagan years, Vassar’s semi-doppelganger if you will, as this friend was a semi-total lib, hated Reagan, was an Agnostic, pro-union, the only thing common to the two is they’re both by far my better as far as their knowledge of History.
Byron and I had conversations touching some of the subjects Vassar has brought up, and I would at that time have to let statements go un-challenged, not having the knowledge/History. to refute “Statement-Logical jump” that my friend would make. Since I already had a filter for Byron (in that he said too many things that I knew to be untrue-no matter his logic) losing an argument to him didn’t bother me, (and probably prolonged our friendship)
Vassar, on the other hand is more problematic to me, as I want to believe what he says. As I’ve said in response in an earlier diary he’s pretty much why I “came out of the closet” and registered here after lurking for years.
The reason I have a problem is the fact that it would be so easy for me to “blindly follow” where VB leads, because his posts resonate with what little I know of History (and I’m not Dewey-School ignorant of history, just not to where I’m proficient) and what my gut tells me is True/Right.
Which means I have to dig deeper into the rabbit-hole that some Scout has already partially illuminated. Just to say for myself “Yeah, that’s what it is…
When I restate history, Remnant60, I know
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 6:24AM EDT (link)…I’ll bump into far better read folks than myself. It’s just my take on history….and serves as a basis for next steps. Books with footnotes are for academicians and usually prepared way after events. Events are about to overtake us.
House says the answer to every problem requires a consistent theory. Everything has to have a why.
Awesome, Vassar. I can't decide if....
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 7:16PM EDT (link)I get more joy from reading your ideas, or the entertaining way you relate information in such a story-like manner.
I realize I was correct the other day when I said to Andyd in his booknotes post about, “The Law” by Bastiat.
As you said, the Democrats/Socialists want to keep their constituencies dependent on them. I’m looking forward to your future articles.
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The trick will be
Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 8:29PM EDT (link)making people uncomfortable with that dependence. Whether the Democrats/Socialists like it or not, we still have a Constitution. Disregard it as much as they want, it’s still the foundation and what we need to remind people about and really make them uncomfortable with their dependence upon empty promises that only “keep them in their place.”
As Fred quoted of one founding father, “A government big enough to give you everything, can also take it away.” The dependent are surely owing their souls to the “company store.”
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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The Trick
remnant60 (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 9:25PM EDT (link)Steph, how can you make folks uncomfortable with that dependence? Nowadays there’s no moral stigma against it.
I don’t disagree with the premise, Want to know what’s the tactic.
See what I’m saying?
That part perhaps maybe be held closer to the vest…
That's the problem,
Steph C (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 9:49PM EDT (link)having to hold things close to the vest, as you say. There are a number of techniques that can be used, some work on some, others work on some. And for still others, nothing will work except being forced. Welfare to work put a whole lot of people into the work force because they had no choice. Once there, I don’t think they will want to go back, at least the majority of them don’t. I suppose that’s as good a starting point as any.
And some fit the way we work but don’t necessarily fit the way others work. It’s a kind of having to find your own way of making them uncomfortable. But always do it with a smile on your face like you don’t mean to make them uncomfortable.
These people are comfortably uncomfortable. They get just enough to keep them dependent all the while complaining about not getting enough. They need to be nudged into a more uncomfortable state.
At the same time you have to fight the system (government) that holds them in thrall.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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I see what you imply
remnant60 (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 10:48PM EDT (link)I think…but sounds almost like the techniques they employ…I’d rather shame folks into behaving better or show them that “this behavior will benefit you better than that one” Preferably the latter technique…
But perhaps we’re past the time-frame where those techniques can be employed “en-masse”, and it’s down to mano-a-mano with every confrontation different; and folks on our side banging door to door begging for the folks inside to at least question their assumptions, if not “see the light”.
I totally agree with the welfare to work idea…subsidizing non-work is stupid on the face of it.
They are and they aren't.
Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 8:36AM EDT (link)Where “they” use pity and victimhood, I would use respect and equality from the homeless to the highest and let everything flow from that.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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CW gave us the 50% figure
remnant60 (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 7:31PM EDT (link)I was surprised by it. Sorta like the young lady from CA who was surprised that Bush got elected…”I don’t know anyone who voted for him…”
I think the 50% refers more to all gun-owners of which the NRA is a sub-set. Among NRA members I think the figure is higher, but not by as much as it needs to be.
(Now to go back to your post )
Can we break the mold?
luciusacius (Diary) Tuesday, June 8th at 10:01PM EDT (link)Politics during my lifetime has been a zero sum game. Each side with fixed percentages of the “Party faithful” involved in an attempt to appeal to/buy off/fool another stable percentage of “independant’ voters. The total amount of whom comprise just north of 30 percent of all eligible voters. Even if a constitutionalist constituancy could be identified and pursuaded to vote that was ten percent of the 60 percent of those who do not vote, the result would be an overwealming sea change in this country. How do we identify them and motivate them to pursue their own liberty and maximize their eocnomic and political well being? I agree with your conclusions and hope this is where you are going.
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What needs to be done after today's primary elections
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 12:08AM EDT (link)is an analysis of how the numbers of Republican voters in these primaries changed in each state as compared to the last three or four elections. I would like to see someone compare the total number of Republican voters who voted in each of these primaries, state by state, and compare that number to the past three or four primaries.
Next, I’d like to see the same analysis done for the percentages of registered Republicans who voted.
These numbers would give one a nice sense as to how many conservative Americans actually cared enough about the future of their country to vote today in those states.
You’d think the RNC, the DNCC, and the RNSC might do that kind of analysis and publish it. If you thought that, I think you’d probably be wrong.
I hope they prove me wrong.
Meanwhile, I’ll work on getting out the conservative vote here in AZ and elsewhere.
Fiorina was just called the victor and it’s looking good for Angle in Nevada.
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Kowalski: Nevada Senate race vote -- by the numbers
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 4:45AM EDT (link)Taking a look at the official Nevada Secretary of State Primary Elections results, on their web site, reveals some interesting facts about the voter turnout.
Harry Reid received 75.32 per cent, 87,374 votes, out of 103,670 votes cast in the Democrat Senate race.
Sharron Angle, on the other hand, received 40.09 per cent, 70,422 votes, out of 175,671 votes cast in the Republican Senate race.
Sue Lowdon received 45,871 votes, or 26.11 per cent of the votes cast.
Danny Tarkanian received 40,925, or 23.3 per cent of the votes cast.
Angle, Lowdon and Tarkanian, the three conservative front runners, received 157,219 votes, or 89.5 per cent of the total votes cast.
So, to recap:
Total votes by party: Republicans, 175,671; Dems, 103,670.
Total votes for Reid: 87,374.
Total votes for Angle: 70,422.
Total votes for three Republican conservative frontrunners: 157,219.
Hmmmm.
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The problem with doing the analysis, Coldwarrior,
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 9:12AM EDT (link)is we can only sorta, kinda do it retrospectively. We know how many votes were cast, but particularly on the Democrat side, we don’t know how many real voters there were. Prospectively, it is very hard to project or analyze because unless you have your own identified REAL constituent list, and most of the Leftwing foundations and non-profits do, you can’t rely on the filthy voter registration lists.
The Democrats, the unions, and the race pimps have long been good at voter fraud. They can turn out the graveyard and they can turn out those who don’t turn out, whether they knew they turned out or not. With the Voting Rights Act and motor voter, they’ve added a whole new dimension, the non-existent voter. The VRA essentially removed all restrictions on voter qualifications, including meaningful residency requirements and proof of identity and residency. Motor Voter has made a playground of voter registration for fraud specialists like ACORN and its like and some of the unions. Since it is so easy to register to vote and you can register in so many places and ways, they just invent fake voters. Additionally, Motor Voter registers all sorts of transients at the UI office, the Welfare office, DMV, etc., and these people will almost never vote and certainly aren’t likely to vote in the district where they registered. When you consider that many of them registered many, many times, there is a fertile field out there for a guy with a list, a van, and a group of “voters” who just ride around from polling place to polling place. This is how they intend to resist any effort to push back the Blue vote and why in response to VB’s earlier post I posited that we should do what the Left and the Poverty Pimps always accuse us of doing; make a real but legal attempt to suppress the Blue vote, especially in their strongholds where they feel safe to engage in large-scale fraud. There’s nothing like making a bunch of smoke and noise while you very visibly perp walk some “leaders” to give too cold breath to the heat of voter fraud.
In Vino Veritas
Art
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 9:36AM EDT (link)I responded to the request you made via Erick re the Army in Alaska.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Thank you, found it lost in my SPAM filters and
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 10:03AM EDT (link)got back to you. Again, thanks, Art
In Vino Veritas
Achance, that may be the case in Alaska, but it's not in AZ
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 1:01PM EDT (link)And I don’t know the first thing about NV’s system but will assume it’s as bad as you described.
Arizona has the model statutes and system for preventing voter fraud in the states, in my opinion (and the opinion of others, including our Secretary of State and several SoS’s in other states, I’m told, who are lobbying to get an AZ style system implemented in their states).
As an “official” Party poll observer during the 2008 primary and general election cycle, I received a one-on-one, about two hour, “soup to nuts” tour of the entire Maricopa County voting tabulation system and asked just about every question I could think of about how to beat the system and cast an invalid vote. I came away with the conclusion that it’s just about impossible, at least here in MCounty, to cast an invalid vote, as an electronic image is made, and stored, of every form of ID used to create a voter ID, every voter registration application, every absentee ballot applicaton, and every absentee voter envelope returned. Software compares signatures as a “first pass” and every “strange” event is checked by eyeballs by people who are well-trained, both in the rudiments of comparing signatures and in every possible known way to attempt to cast a fraudulent ballot by mail. Any irregularity places the ballot in the “provisional” queue where it has to double-checked and verified before it will be counted. For example, if a mailed in ballot bears any kind of signature irregularity, it won’t be counted until a phone call is made to the voter. If the mail in ballot voter’s DMV address doesn’t match with the address in the Recorder’s records, then a phone call is made.
When one goes to the polls in person, ID is required and poll watchers are allowed for each party. I was one. I saw the system work here in Arizona. At least in Maricopa County, it works well.
Contrast that to Wisconsin, with which I also have some familiarity. There, just as you described, as I understand the current law, anyone can walk into any polling place and, as long as someone says, “This guy just moved here, he lives with me, he’d like to vote,” and that someone lives in that ward/precinct, that “guy” will get to vote. Then on to the next polling place with another person to vouch for the same “guy” who ostensibly just moved in with that new person. And on and on. I’m told this regularly goes on in Madison and Milwaukee. The sad part is that a few years back, Republicans controlled the state house but they just couldn’t see fit to fix this.
Thanks for you insights.
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ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”) (146 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to get out the vote in your precinct?)
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In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
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AZ is the exception, then, and I'll bet there's still a fair share
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 1:11PM EDT (link)of fraud in any heavily minority area; it’s just what the interest groups do. There is NO such thing as an honest election in any Blue state or in a Blue city even in a Red state. The latter we should seriously be fixing; some people need to go to jail – and very noisily.
In Vino Veritas
Ditto that
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 1:18PM EDT (link)There’s alot more possibility of fraud than most people think. I was an election judge for years, and I am telling you, yes, they had all sorts of rules, but MY GOD were there thousands of opportunities to cheat.
And let me just say, there’s a reason why, in every state and every election that’s in play, it is the heavy Dem precincts that report in last.
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You're actually talking my language, Art
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 3:45PM EDT (link)…put ‘em in jail. Point is, some times it works just for them to think you’re there, snooping, taking pictures, etc. In our business we have several classes of quality audits, 1 in every 2, 3, 5 down to 1 in every 50 or so. Obviously you catch more “flaws” at 1 in 3 than 1 in 10. but the bad workers never which audit you’re using. Cuts down on cheating a lot.
I’m for an interstate compact on state voting, and rolling back a lot of this crap. There are so many near fool proof ways, and I’m even fort sticking a finger in a bottle of ink. That requires state legislatures with guts, and Atty Gen’s with guts to back them up with DOJ comes calling. It also could use (I prefer require) sort of like they did with occupation script, a set week for a Jubilee, when everyone will have to come in an re-register (and other suitable ways), and all the old records torn up. After that, No tickee no laundry.
Ask OFA. They have it. Is what I was trying to get at..
ladyimpactohio (Diary) Thursday, June 10th at 12:29AM EDT (link)Metrics. They are so organized they can pull up a query or report about any precinct or neighborhood in about 30 seconds.
We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech
The Tea Party Leader who helped in today's conservative victories:
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, June 9th at 1:02AM EDT (link)Recall the “I am the Tea Party leader” project?
http://iamateapartyleader.com/Video.aspx?p=5
For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW!
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
Where it all started. Twitter @kaltkrieger
Unified Patriots.
Learn how to GOTV at The Concord Project and at Procinct and
Sounds like a certain religion:
blooch Wednesday, June 9th at 5:01PM EDT (link)“…inclusivists to the nth degree…only once in, you can’t get out. They will use every trick in the book to get you to sign up, then every form or bribery and coercion (If necessary) to keep you there once on board. That is, after all, how all socialists see their mission…”
And once in the fold, the duped become miserable, frustrated people, resigned to stunted lives and wishing with jealous piety for others to join them.
One more thing…when I ask people if they are voting in an election, it is surprising to me the number of folks who say they are not registered to vote because they are trying to avoid being summoned for jury duty. Now, one might think that this is a good thing in some respects, but many of these people are natural limited government types, fairly well-informed and interested in politics…just not that interested, I guess. Too bad for them and us.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
I hadn't noticed the Jim Jones connection, Blooch
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Thursday, June 10th at 7:59AM EDT (link)…but you may have something there.
We gotta figure a way around the jury duty thing. Most places, chances are not better than 10 to 1 being called once in a 10 year period.
I've been summoned 3 times in the last 6 years
blooch Thursday, June 10th at 2:05PM EDT (link)1st time, served on a jury(plaintiiff wanted 2 million from an eeevil developer, we gave them $10,000)
2nd time, didn’t make it through voir dire.
3rd time, sat in jury pool all day, then dismissed, but excellent conversation with intelligent people made it bearable.
I was thinking of Ibn Warraq more than Jim Jones, but good swerve away from dangerous territory, and still keeping it between the ditches.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Good point. I had jury duty 2 months ago
mriggio (Diary) Thursday, June 10th at 8:31AM EDT (link)and if memory serves, the ladies who run the office in my jurisdiction work off of driver’s license/state ID databases, not only voter registrations. So if you move into the county and change your license to reflect current address, into the pool you go, voter or not. BTW, I get summoned every 6 years like clockwork.
mriggio
SMSgt, USAF (Ret)
Precinct Committeeman (R)
Tazewell County, Illinois
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CheerleaderParty, save the World! (Heroes, ed.)Excellent thoughts... and I'm waiting for more!
Ron Robinson (Diary) Saturday, June 12th at 11:06PM EDT (link)We will want your thoughts so that we can advise PROCINCT users, and where it’s called for, build the concepts into the actual code.
What has your trenchant thinking revealed about the impact of Prop 14 and open primaries in CA?
Some in the neighborhoods are saying that the CCs (at least the ones who are active in their precincts) are going to be a lot more important.
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Ron Robinson
Chair, AD 49 Republican Central Committee
California Republican Central Committee
PROCINCT Author/ Founder
The Precinct Project
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