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Resolved: Every Republican Should Support Every GOP Candidate and Only GOP Candidates—Christine O’Donnell and Joe Miller, Two Case Studies

“Or Else”

To complete my title…for it’s the “or else” I’ll be writing about here.

When your mother tells you not to put your fingers on the stove, there is an implied “Or else” which you will learn in due course. When your friends say don’t try to drive home when you’ve had too much to drink, there’s also an implied “Or else” and if you’ve noticed, the ante has been raised a bit. Jail. Maybe death. Yours or some innocent soul. Finally, when the preacher talks about a whole host of moral do’s and don’t's, there are implied “Or else’s” there as well, only suddenly “Or else” becomes more problematic the more it becomes judgmental.

Be very careful with that word, friends, for it has been conditioned in our minds to mean something it really doesn’t. For as we’ve seen, there seems to be an inverse relationship between our willingness to heed an “Or else” and the seriousness of the punishment (judgment).

While those “or else’s” are delivered as a teaching tool when we are children, as the potential danger (the ante) increases they are offered out of love, more often as not. But they are also offered out of duty, (see Ezekiel 3:18), for when “or else” means “Or you will surely die” they don’t want that burden on their shoulders. The duty to warn even exists in our common law, it is so entrenched in human survival.

So, by the time the preacher gets around to issuing a very judgmental “or else” we’ve been conditioned to blow it off, without even the smallest amount of self-inquiry. There’s a reason we’re conditioned this way, for it causes us NOT to stop and think. Accepting what that preacher has to say depends on whether you believe in all that superstitious hocus pocus in the first place, and if not, well, that’s your business. Or so you think.

This is dangerous, even suicidal behavior, unless you have examined the threat underlying the “or else” clearly and logically implies, and are fully willing to accept the consequences of Being Wrong. (Few are, I’ve found; alcoholics, smokers, gays.) I’ve rejected all the “or else” proclamations of radical Islam, but do not reject their underlying “or else” acceptance of an all-powerful Creator. Just under their terms. See how this works?, for if it should happen that someday I find myself and my head laid over a chopping block and that fat knife of Damascus sings out, “Repent or else” I won’t have to then cram for my final exams about things that had been taught to me for years.

Rarely do spiritual choices and life-and-death choices actually merge, but the old saying there are no atheists in foxholes wasn’t coined for nothing. It just pays, as Socrates once said, to know what we are all about…just in case something comes up.

Davy Crockett said “Be always sure you’re right, then go ahead” and that makes sense to me. So when a man tells me I’m going to die if I don’t do such and such, I’m going to make sure I’m right, for at the bottom of every threat of “or else”, and one which, in this political context, I think most people forget, is the inescapable logic that…

“One of us is right and one of us is wrong…but only one of us can afford to be wrong.”

After all, that preacher can afford to be wrong. All he’s done is go around being nice all his life.

Every registered Republican, conservative or moderate, or even liberal, who stays home or votes against the choice of the members of the Republican Party in this election, and probably the next, have voted for suicide, and they may surely die because of it.

Since those decisions may affect my House and my new grandson’s house, i have a dog in this fight…even in Delaware and Alaska.

Take what you can from this. I’m writing this for voters who won’t read it. I’m just throwing out some notions so that some of you who are more clever with the turn of a phrase and far more savvy than me, and can take a few of these things and prevent a terrible…I mean really terrible thing from happening, in that I’ll likely be a beneficiary of the stupidity, if some heads aren’t screwed back on straight.

If you disagree, I may be wrong, but you can’t afford to be wrong. That’s a fact.

More specifically, I am writing this for voters whose candidate may lose on Tuesday in Delaware or isn’t even on the ballot in Alaska. I’m not here to make an offering of proof as who was or will be the best “R” in either of those states. (And this applies to at a least a dozen other congressional districts.) I have only one question, which is rhetorical, and which i will try to answer in short order:

Just what part of suicide do you not understand?

By that I mean real suicide. Muerte, morte. The death of a civilization, a way of life, of Liberty, Freedom, and all Hope for all Mankind. Most people who kill themselves actually do want to end it all. They’re tired, or anything to make the pain go away. Maybe shame. My best friend did it for that (he was a doctor who got caught prescribing himself drugs), but also to get as far from that insufferable wife of his as he could. If he’d known for sure she was going to heaven he’d have carried a coal bucket into the elevator just to make sure there wasn’t a mistake on which direction he was headed. I think Moses Sands took the way of the cowboy, just lay down in a patch of cold snow at elevation and fall asleep. (Jack London, To Build a Fire).

So I’m not making judgment of suicide here, except for those who don’t know what it really means. If I’m offending anyone here, sorry. This needs to be said this way, for others do kill themselves sometimes out of spite, to punish others, only with a delusional notion that they can be Tom Sawyer and come back and watch their own funeral. Way too many young kids die these days with this selfish notion that they get to smile that final smile, that final gotcha, as they watch their enemies, real and imagined, try to deal with that last idiotic note they left.

The Natural Laws of Suicide are not the same as the Laws of Political Suicide.

We use “suicide” as a metaphor all the time, and “political suicide” is one of our most popular. But I’m not talking about that, not Gerald Ford’s pardon, Jimmy Carter’s bungled Iran hostage situation, or Larry Craig’s wide stance. I mean real suicide, as the Menshiviks and liberals of Russia misunderestimated it to be, for it was they who gave Lenin and the Bolsheviks a stage where one of their first acts was to take their enablers out to be shot. This is a law that goes back as far as ruling classes go, that once a new ruling class takes over, it does not share power with the old one. The same for the rival parties, including the churches, of Germany who, by their incessant nitpicking and bickering, brought Hitler and the Nazis to power, simply because they could not allow themselves to see what was easy and clear to see. They had forgotten that they could not afford to be wrong. So, for the most part, they were also taken out and shot. For this “type” only at that last moment is it plain what the Bolsheviks, or Nazis, or Fascists, or Sandinistas, or Chavez, or Castro, or the Ayatollah Khomeini really had in store. How far back do I need to take this chain of proof?

So please, any of you, all of you, (and you know who you are) disabuse yourself of the notion that the Democrats and The Left, once in total power, have any intention of ever sharing power with any of you, and that you will be allowed to remain as faithful members of the Ruling Class. The Political Class you know now, and aspire to hold onto, will be destroyed and replaced by another one. You are useful idiots and will be rounded up accordingly…long before they begin to deal with us still out on the hustings here with our lean and hungry looks. Death by stupidity is also suicide.

This also is not a position for argument here. One of us is right, one of is wrong, but only one of us can afford to be wrong…and that is the “real politics” of it.

The O’Donnell-Castle case, Opening up a Can of Whup-Threat.

In Delaware, there’s Christine O’Donnell’s baggage versus Mike Castle’s baggage.

When I was in college I also considered a run in politics but chose developing a shady past instead. I did that on the run, so to speak. These days that kind of choice seems to matter less, for the number of candidates, even elected members, who it turns out had puffed up their resume or phonied up some background; well, the number is staggering, to say the least. Anyway Christine decided to risk it, some of that old baggage creeping out of the closet as the campaign progressed.

But there are shady pasts and there are shady pasts, and by my yardstick, Christine’s doesn’t amount to as much as say a few Article 15′s (that’s Army talk for misdemeanors) would have had in my day, to the careers of some of our finest top sergeants. In fact, that extra inch of gravel proved a special worthiness to lead men into battle at one time. Like Billy Sunday, who preached against sin from personal knowledge, I tend to lean towards those who actually have grabbed the bull by the horns versus the one’s who only read about it in a book. I can find no moral turpitude in Christine’s flaws, so will withhold judgment as to what kind of senator she’d make. I’m not so sure about some of her advisers, though, only that should also sort itself out if she’s able to win, for she will not be entirely in charge of sorting it out. We will, as a newer and wiser GOP leadership have ways to keep newbies like her on a short leash and under a microscope until they can prove themselves. There will be carrots a’plenty to do well but one stick will be sharing Lindsay Graham’s broom closet for an office. That’s hardball politics, not philosophy.

On the other hand, Mike Castle is an unrepentant, Big Government, Ruling Class liberal. So, to update Mark Twain, there are liars, and there are damned liars. I prefer the simpler type. As a bona fide Republican, he is finished, win or lose, for he has been very honest, and even proud, to say the least, he will help facilitate the current Democrat agenda. That sounds pretty suicidal to me, doesn’t it you? Only as a Democrat can he be saved this fate, so you folks in Delaware have to decide if this is what you really want, for the Democrats have always assumed you to be one of their more quiescent and cooperative states, doing what you’re told and always falling in line. Consider yourselves warned.

So I have no problem supporting Christine O’Donnell, but if she loses, will hold to my previous promise (and exhortation)

From where the sun now stands, there is ONE THING, and ONLY ONE THING for the next sixty days…and that is getting every possible Republican elected to Congress. I didn’t say Conservative although I wish it were so. I said Republican. Had Bob Bennett won in Utah I would have included him. Had Charlie Crist not pussed out against Marco and gone on to beat him in the primary, I would have included him. The same for Lisa Murkowski and Mike Castle…

If Mike Castle wins, I insist we all support him as well, if by doing nothing more than keeping our mouths shut. At least don’t come crying in my ear space. We on the Right are people of our word. I don’t live in Delaware, but if I did I’d vote for him in the general, and as I wrote recently, I’ll speak no ill of him…until after he’s sworn in and belittles his oath to the Constitution. We will support him because we understand national suicide. We understand the stakes. We understand stupidity…and we ain’t stupid.

My real question here is to the Castle supporters. Do you also understand suicide? Do you understand stupidity? For if you don’t, and we can eke out a win over the the Left the next 26 months…despite you...get prepared to pay the reaper.

The Joe Miller (Palin)- Scott McAdams (Murkowski) caser, opening a can of Whup-Guilt

We have a little more time with this race, so I’ll be more brief. I have a few friends in Alaska, not just AChance, but Ay God, Woodrow, can Art kick up a dust? I’ll make no effort to pretend to dissect Alaska politics here. The news out now, just 3-4 days ago, is that Lisa Murkowski is considering even more strongly a run as an independent.

I only have on question: What part of suicide do you not understand, Alaska?

I can’t mention Joe Miller without someone mentioning Sarah Palin, usually in the negative. I’ve covered this ground before, about Sarah that is. What I know about Sarah Palin, and quite frankly, ALL I CARE ABOUT SARAH PALIN, is that at this place in American history, the greatest scourge to face America (at least in lower 48) hates Sarah Palin as i only hate bad manners, and fear her as I only fear God. So tell me again how she busted up so many sweeeet political arrangements in Alaska. I don’t care if she lied, wrote bad checks, and had a secret affair with the sainted Moe Lane, all I know is that she is the most feared person (not woman, but person) to the most evil wannabe empire ever to step on these shores, so once again What part of suicide do you not understand?, Alaska. I don’t care if she can’t spel potatoe. Hell, folks, this is the Senate for God’s sakes. When did ever knowing how to balance a budget or meeting a payroll matter to qualify to sit in one of those seats. Good God, half the Congress are too lazy to read, or can’t, or can’t understand what they read…just ask John Conyers. He’s proud of it. It’s not like they do something that requires any real skills. If it did, lawyers wouldn’t even apply. All I know is that awake, asleep, drunk, sober, even sane (Franken) former KKK or current plantation manager, they get to, by a single Aye Vote or Nay vote, decide the entire future of every single citizen in this country…all the way up to the North Slope (where once upon a time a friend of mine and I had considered running a string of hookers in the early 70s, back when I was working on my shady resume.) Get over Sarah.

The simple Natural Law of Dynasties

Every person who ever gets elected to public office, even down to the country court clerk in Jackson, Mississippi, begins to dream of dynasty. It’s a sweet gig so they try to get their brother, cousin, wife’s brother, and eventually the whole family into the office. That was called the spoils system, only as far as I’m concerned I don’t care. I can find counties where the same family has been running the same office for three generations. In Detroit I think they’re working on five. As long as they do the job and do it well, so what?

But there is a natural accretion of power in that system, almost imperceptible to the eye, that signals when it’s time for that dynasty to go. Usually from corruption, although it starts out small. As costs and fees go up continually to pay for this corruption, the people just don’t get to march in tell them to stop. Only in a very few countries can you simply vote them out. Force of arms is usually required as even democratic peoples usually wait until it’s too late. Still sure enough, in the changeover period, people quickly begin to complain that no one knows how to make the trains run on time, or keep the power grid up. (Duh). The Manchus ran China for 300 years with emperors who could barely count the toes on their feet. Who stood to gain by their presence were that army of factotums (bureaucrats) and eunuchs (we don’t use this word near enough in the current climate) who had created for themselves their own personal dynasties in their little corner offices across the country.

Does anyone see a parallel? I know people in Alaska whose future fortunes went down with Ted Stevens in that plane crash. And the same with Lisa Murkowski and the whole Murkowski dynasty.

I don’t give a single damn. Too bad. Time’s up. Move on. New era. It is the first law of politics that people try to build little dynasties, but it is the first law and first duty of a free people to eventually step out and squish them like bugs when they get to big or out of hand. I like that way of doing things…a lot. You want real dynasties, sell yourselves back to Russia, they’re back in the dynasty business. I like Lisa Murkowski, she’s certainly no Mike Castle, but the clamor I hear against Joe Miller really seems to be about Sara Palin, and the clamor I hear for Lisa seems to have to do more with the old dynasties and settling of old scores. But if Lisa declares as an Independent, she’ll be my biggest enemy….even over Pelosi, for that day she declares herself to be no patriotic American, and certified suicidal.

As I’ve said before, I care about ONLY ONE THING, and ONE THING ONLY, from now til November. Republicans win. With the new leadership of men like Benishek in the House, to insure (as a new caucus, there could be 70 of them!) that the new Speaker doesn’t go all wobbly, with maybe Pence as the new #2, and a overdue but final bow to the hard work, dedication, and power of men like Coburn and Demint in the Senate, I don’t have to worry about the potential self-indulgences of a Christine O’Donnell or the inexperience of a Joe Miller. It’s the stewards that matter, and that is a 26 month, not 50 day operation, ONLY WE HAVE TO WIN THE FIRST ROUND. And yes, there are some exciting leaders out there, I even know one. And it ain’t Sarah, and it ain’t Newt. I like them right where they are.

So this is addressed to those of you who are looking in all the wrong places for leaders, What Part of Suicide do you Not Understand?

COMMENTS

  • IJB
  • tacoslayer

    Joe Miller:
    West Point Grad.
    Master’s in Economics
    JD from Yale
    US Army veteran
    State Magistrate
    Superior Court master at age 30
    Successful law practice
    Has served as District Court Judge and US Magistrate Judge

    Christine O’Donnell:
    Political Consultant
    Television Political Analyst
    BA in English/Communication that she apparently finished a couple weeks ago
    Two time loser on previous runs for office

    The fact is that nobody would know O’Donnell’s name if her name was Chris and he looked like Karl Rove. A pretty face simply doesn’t make up for the tissue thin resume.

    Alaska is much redder than DE will ever be.
    Miller can absolutely win in the general.
    O’Donnell simply can’t win against the Dem machine in DE.

    If you truly care about getting more Republicans in office than Castle is the only vote that makes sense.
    Yep….He’s a turd….but he’s our turd.

    FWIW…Castle voted against HCR and has made it clear that he would support repeal legislation.

    • IJB

      His point is, if O’Donnell *does* win, you dang well better support her in the General.

      Frankly, I don’t like Castle, but I’ll have no problem supporting him in the General. Not this year.

      • tacoslayer

        I think the only question is whether Erick feels the same way.

        His talk of anacondas and limb tearing left the distinct impression that he would not support the Republican in the general if/when Castle wins the primary.

        This website’s mantra has always been “Conservative, then Republican”. Erick has yet to make it clear whether that still stands true in this case.

        I prefer Buckley’s “most conservative candidate who has the best chance of winning” philosophy.

        It’s about Power. That requires a Republican majority. Ideology doesn’t cut it if the SCOTUS is getting stacked by Obama.

        • ywhyvon1

          Last I checked, neither Castle or O’Donnell were running in Ga.
          Just saying.

          • Bill S

            Therefore your passive-aggressive nonsense is irrelevant.

            Just saying.

          • ywhyvon1

            My point was, as far as I know, the website still is conservative in the primary, republican in the general.

            Vassar’s whole post was reinforcing that same call to arms, so even though Erick is editor of this site- who gives a da*m if Erick feels the same or not.
            If you were actually replying to my comment
            The whole point of much of Redstate, since I have been tuning in over the last year is, CONSERVATIVE IN THE PRIMARY-REPUBLICAN IN THE GENERAL. Erick’s not all knowing( does a pretty good job most of the time though) and there have been times on here ( Oxendine in Ga Gov Primary comes to mind) that he has said he would not vote for certain candidates no matter what. The rest of us would get the BAN HAMMER for such blasphemy.

            Once again, REDSTATE policy is VOTE CONSERVATIVE IN PRIMARY and REPUBLICAN IN GENERAL. Nuff said.

            Is that aggressive enough for you BILL S?

            Oh, I’m sorry. Bless Your Little Heart. I didn’t mean to talk over your head. I’m so bad. I hope you will forgive me.

            SMACK love and kisses :)

          • Bill S

            Smartasses don’t last long here. I can help you with that if you like.

          • ywhyvon1

            What makes my remark back to you more smart ass than your original reply to my comment? Just saying.

            If I get the ban hammer, then I guess Redstate isn’t the bastion of civilization that I thought it was. Sorry you don’t like someone sticking up for themself.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Just sayin.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            Only this time, lose the sarcasm when you apologize.

            Next post.

          • ywhyvon1

            on the other hand, I could have been asked what I meant by my comment instead of attacked.

            In retrospect It could be argued that I owe tacoslayer an apology because it was taco’s comment to which Ioriginally responded to and that comment was short and a bit snarky . Sorry Tacoslayer, I agree with your post, and it is confusing when the mantra is the mantra until it isn’t the mantra.

            But on the other hand, this is Redstate and the mantra IS consertvative in the primary and republican in the general. tacoslayer, if you were offended I am sorry.

            And you all know I really really want to insert that JS thing in here LOL

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            …if you want to be reinstated.

            Anybody else feel like not listening to a moderator tonight?

          • Bill S

            Your choice. I don’t really care if he gaks you or me.

        • vmo335

          Buckley’s mantra worked back then. this is survival on the Republic we are debating today. conservative in the primary, republican in the general. Or Else.

    • penguin2

      We need the supporters of the losing candidate to vote for the Republican. Those that choose not to, are only going to be sending a message to the Leftist Dems that they will be able to hold onto power. I think the stakes are too high to play this any other way and lose the gamble.

    • SteveLA

      I’m quite sure that if Ms. O’Donnell and all her baggage and views on the issues wins the election there will be polite golf applause from the Republican galleries and not much else.

      There have been a few other primary wins already and you’re hearing some of that sort of polite but not exactly heart felt applause right now.

      • finaljeopardy

        “Castle captures 71% of the GOP vote, while O’Donnell earns 63% support among voters in her own party. While Coons is backed by 70% of Democrats against O

        • eburke

          long as said Castle supporters support Christine in the same manner that the vast majority of O’Donnell supporters have committed to.

          Unfortunately, except for a couple of exceptions, I haven’t heard that commitment from your side.

          • eburke

            the wholesale slaughter of unborn babies to the extent of earning an F rating from the NRTL, or who countenances the vitriol and personal attacks of the Party establishment as Castle has to be a ‘class act’.

          • finaljeopardy

            n/t

          • eburke

            you totally ignored the points of the post to insert your talking points.

        • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

          The Castle crowd in Delaware is making the usual RINO argument, that the people in whatever place are so liberal they will never vote for a conservative. After all they have never elected a conservative before, having never had a chance to elect one because the state GOP won’t supply one. And this circular reasoning is supposed to be the height of political acumen. Well, I for one call that bogus! And so does Levin.

          • cordpt

            of winning in Delaware this year. Bush almost got 46% of the vote there in his presidential runs.

            If a good conservative like Angle or Rubio or Miller or someone like that was in the race, I’d really like their chances.

          • JSobieski

            however, I don’t think a weak conservative candidate is going to be able to do it.

          • cordpt

            Not even sure I’d call her a conservative. She’s someone who parrots some conservative clich

          • Aaron Gardner

            to articulate a defense of conservatism when in your almost 3 years here you have never written a diary.

          • JSobieski

            and last I checked, O’Donnell has never uttered the word Kirk in the public record.

            This is exactly my point—running for Senate is more than running for local blogger. I know you realize this, but there are quite a few people who do not.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Only that it is humorous to watch him complain about others lacking an ability he apparently does as well.

            Reasonable people can disagree on this race.

            I have read the filing for the ISI suit, all 55 pages, and after reading it I have to question the conservative roots of ISI. In questioning those roots, we may discover that ISI is another welfare relic sucking movement money out of the movement an into their pockets.

            I have also seen financial documents which show that the Tax lien and the House sale issues have been overblown.

            On the money that she owes from her 08 campaign, you may want to ask what the agreement was with regard to the DE GOP paying off that last 10K and then reneging.

            It’s not all as black and white as many here are trying to make it.

            I know you realize this, but there are quite a few people who do not.

          • cordpt

            Because I haven’t written a diary on RedState? So, in your view, everybody who hasn’t written a diary on RS can’t articulate a defense of conservatism? You do understand that would mean that only a residual minority of the conservatives have that coveted ability, right? That the large majority of the most important conservative thinkers, politicians, propagandists, etc., lack, accordingly to you, that same ability.

            Again, that’s a very bizarre line of reasoning. That’s the kind of reasoning O’Donnell makes frequently.

            More importantly, why do you question ISI conservative roots?

          • Aaron Gardner

            BTW, I actually provided more proof of you not being able to articulate conservative positions than you did for O’Donnell, so why the double standard?

            Am I to take you for your word and treat O’Donnell with a more circumspect eye based on your opinion? Sorry, but having looked at your record of accomplishment here, I can’t do that.

          • cordpt

            Mind to quote that part? I understand you feel you have to question ISI’s conservative roots and that in doing so there’s a chance you’ll find out so and so… but what aroused those needs.

            Look, I understand you’re obsessed over me, but I’m not running for office. I don’t need to proof I’m able to articulate conservative positions. I couldn’t care less about what you think about me and about your bizarre theory that writing diaries on RS is the litmus test of conservatism and that the fact I don’t write diaries constitute some kind of proof I’m not able to articulate a defense of conservatism (btw, just out of curiosity, does O’Donnell fills your standards?)

            So, let me try to keep this really simple: what matters is if O’Donnell can do it or not. I’ve known her for some time and I’m 100% sure she can’t. She’ll taint the message by being such an horrific messenger. But then again, whatever one’s opinion on her competences, the main point is that it’s her that matters, not me or someone else. Why? Because she’s the one running for office claiming to be a conservative. Do you understand this? I’m not sure it can be explained in any other way. Let me know if you need further explanations.

          • Aaron Gardner

            And here is your quote:

            I have read the filing for the ISI suit, all 55 pages, and after reading it I have to question the conservative roots of ISI.

            Now, I am not going to recount the 55 page filing here in the comments, so run along and read it for yourself. Don’t worry, it’s a link from WS so it’s legit.

          • cordpt

            Always found it a tremendously accurate picture of C. O’Donnell’s personality and modus operandi.

            Still don’t get how it makes you question ISI conservative credentials though.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Why don’t we just leave it at that, after all, you’ll just reject any argument put forth so it really isn’t worth my time or effort to respond any further.

          • JSobieski

            don’t usually have long records of “grey” that involve complicated explanations and backed by a total lack of accomplishment.

            For someone not already with sullied with having an elected position on her resume, O’Donnell has a LOT of things on her record that are not easy or simply to explain away. Her overall record is not of someone who overcame some obstacle, performed any particular activity particularly well, or otherwise has their own life soundly under control and is able to give back by asserting leadership.

            Would would neutral voters trust her judgment (not saying ethics, saying judgment) given all of the thinks that seemed to not go so well in her activities as an adult.

            She is by far the weakest of the conserative upstart candidates. I nonetheless would vote for her if I could, but I wouldn’t spend a penny in doing so.

            When folks convince themselves that she is just like Miller or Rubio, I start to wonder if conservatives aren’t blinding themselves a bit.

            Whether ISI is conservative or not, does the complaint include linkage between a conservative view point and sex discrimination? If so, that would be enough for me to change my tepid support for O’Donnell (i.e. vote only) to tepid support for Castle (i.e. vote only), I would download the case on PACER, but don’t want to waste the $0.50 to do so.

            Thank linkage would be damning—and could potentially be used in other races (i..e O’Donnell would be a non-localized liability)

          • Aaron Gardner

            Her work at ISI was considered a success right up until they fired her for filing an EEOC complaint.

            She facilitated an event in 2003 for ISI that was considered one of it’s great successes.

            She was also one of the PR people for ICON studios and The Passion of the Christ. I’d say she did rather fine work there as well.

            As a result of being fired from ISI, a job she moved away from DC from, she was stuck with a house, this being the house she later sold in order to avoid foreclosure.

            I don’t suggest this often, because I honestly don’t really care for the guy, but check out the info that Dan Reihl has been posting on this race to balance out the WS/NRO Castle fanbois.

          • JSobieski

            that I have seen or read anywhere.

            But I still question the judgment of someone whose life has been so disrupted by the financial impact of the ISI job and says, my affairs are not in good order, so I think I should step on and take on the even worse status of the government.

            Physician heal thyself comes to mind when I think of O’Donnell. I have in previous comments said that her only achievements are in PR and that she would be an excellent candidate for a reality TV show. It appears that I was more right than I realized.

            I don’t think it is accurate to say that the WS/NRO are “fans” of Castle. They just think as I do–that O’Donnell could very well win the primary in a squeaker and get crushed in the general.

            Nothing Reihl says changes that analysis.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Sorry, but I don’t think WS and NRO are playing on the level in this particular race. YMMV

          • cordpt

            ….was considered a success right up until they fired her for filing an EEOC complaint.”

            It was considered a success by whom?

            “As a result of being fired from ISI, a job she moved away from DC from, she was stuck with a house, this being the house she later sold in order to avoid foreclosure.”

            She defaulted on her mortgage.

            She failed to appear on court when served, exempting herself of complying to a basic civic responsibility.

            Then she denied the house was foreclosed – even when the sheriff sale was weeks away from commencing.

            Then she implied that the reason for all this mess was “thug politics”.

            The problem isn’t the hardship and the financial problems. Those can happen to everyone. But if I’m not able to make payments, I’m assuming my responsibility, I’m going to talk to my creditors and I’m not going to lie to the public about my situation.

          • Aaron Gardner

            but go read the the filing on the ISI case and get back to me.

          • JSobieski

            but in a comment in which you are not mentioned, your response is to comment that the author is “obsessed” with you.

            Seriously, what is it about Christine O’Donnell that gets people so pumped up that cease exhibiting the skills that they have.

            I read the ISI case. Reading a complaint will in most instances render the reader more sympathetic towards the plaintiff. I am not familiar with the ISI, but I don;t doubt that even conservative think tanks can discriminate on the basis of gender.

            One question for you though: if the think tank really wasn’t that conservative, why did she work for them?

            ISI is now described as a RINO type think tank. I find that interesting. I am also curious as Christine’s inability to get a lawyer to take her case on contingency.

            The media appearances that she subsequently missed out on held the hopes of a potentially large recovery–an amount sufficiently high that you would think some lawyer would take the case on contigency.

            I wonder why she ended up dropping the case instead.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Look up thread, it was a reply to me. Also, he claimed previously in this thread that I was obsessed with him, I was just playing his little game with him.

            Seriously, what is it about Christine O

          • ffc99

            like you I read both ISI complaints (and exhibits) today and my frivolous lawsuit detector was going off, big time… I was especially struck by Christine’s allegations about ISI’s refusal to let her pursue her Master’s Degree at Princeton. I’ll link to the Weekly Standard article on this to explain why this particular allegation from Christine is so troubling, because it again goes to her inability to tell the truth.

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/citing-mental-anguish-christine-odonnell-sought-69-million-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-again

          • JSobieski

            at bit.

            Frankly she reminds me of some business executives who were promoted one level beyond their proficiency. They ended up being quite defensive about everything. So many people acting against them for all sorts of oddball reasons.

            Christine O’Donnell reminds me of those people to the extent of all these discrepancies in her record.

            Not everyone can play big league ball.

          • JSobieski

            I really am. It probably doesn’t help however that I have some clients like Christine and am now feeling the heat a bit more than I did 6 months ago. You know, the kind of client that takes your services, but slowpays you, and then 2 years later asks all sorts of questions about the invoice?

            So yeah, I am torn in numerous ways. I also want to avoid a “Bridge Too Far” (great movie, but a bad scenario).

            I never feel comfortable going against El Rushbo either. Always makes me think thrice.

            Bottom line; I offer a vote for without any endorsement of O’Donnell, and ask for a closepin to be used in the act of voting. I would then get trashed, and ask friends to never EVER mention the vote EVER again.

            I do subscribe to the theory that O’Donnell would lose the general, but I can’t muster the determination to vote against her.

          • ffc99

            I’ve seen the documents as well (they’re in the public record) and they clearly show that there was in fact a tax lien which she finally resolved 5 years after the lien was filed (it was resolved by Christine actually paying the back taxes she owed). The lien was not a “computer error” as she has been telling anyone who would listen. It was also filed in 2005, 3 years before she ran against Joe Biden for US Senate. I mention this because at various times she has suggested that the lien was filed during her 2008 campaign (and was politically motivated).

            As for her home, her bank initiated court proceedings to foreclose on the home because she hadn’t paid her mortgage for approximately a year (her mortgage company was granted a default judgment against her because she never even appeared in court to answer her mortgage company’s complaint, even though she’d been personally served). She only avoided a sheriffs sale by selling her home at the last minute. Yet she continues to state that “she never had the misfortune of facing a home foreclosure like millions of Americans”, when she in fact was only a matter of weeks from facing a sheriff’s sale on her home.

            Again, it’s not just the financial problems that give a lot of folks pause about Christine, it’s her failure to tell the truth. If she can’t tell the truth about her personal problems, should we trust that she’s telling the truth to the voters of Delaware.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Maybe we are talking different documents, you mind providing a link to yours? The ones I am speaking of are personal communications between O’Donnell and the agent assisting her and I haven’t seen them anywhere in the public domain.

            If your info is contradictory to what I have seen I would love to see it.

          • ffc99

            They say nothing about a computer error. She also admits on her website that the lien was resolved by her payment “in full” of the balance due on May 16, 2010. So she’s admitting that the lien was not an error, she actually owed back taxes. And I ask you, how do you respond to the fact that she has attempted to play it off as politically motivated (due to her 2008 race against Biden) when the lien was actually filed in 2005?

          • Aaron Gardner

            I’ll take that as you having nothing but your word on this. Unfortunately I value your word as much as I value Castle’s.

          • ffc99

            here is a link. It’s to a site that isn’t exactly friendly to Christine, but the documents speak for themselves. I await your response. (but don’t expect it).

            http://delawarerepublicanrecord.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/christine-odonnell-the-word-was-corroborate-not-counter/

          • ffc99

            where she admits to finally paying the tax debt she owed.

            The IRS admitted the letter was a mistake, issued a Certificate of Release of Federal Tax Lien on May 19, 2010 and chalked it up to a

          • ffc99

            documents that nobody else has Aaron, but do you seriously expect anyone to believe that Christine has a letter from the IRS which says the lien was a “computer error” but for some reason she refuses to put on her website? I mean, she’s admitted on that very website that she paid back taxes to the IRS in order to satisfy the lien. Again, it’s not just the fact she was facing a tax lien, it’s that she’s repeatedly lied about it.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Maybe there is truth in both case. Of course that would be hard to understand so maybe I should just get sarcastic with you and act as if you are lying?

            How’s that sound?

          • ffc99

            ok, now you appear to be admitting that there was a tax lien and that she in fact owed money to the IRS (which she finally paid). So I ask again, how was the tax lien issue overblown?

          • Aaron Gardner

            That’s a position you placed upon me, not one I took.

          • ffc99

            How so? It seems to me that the tax lien “scandal” matters for two reasons. 1) The fact that Christine actually faced a lien, which is never a good thing, but more importantly it took her five years to get it resolved. 2) More importantly, she has consistently lied about the lien, attributing it to a “computer error” (although now (when facing heightened scrutiny) she both attributes it to a computer error and admits she paid some back taxes…forgive me if I’m getting whiplash from her conflicting explanations).

          • Aaron Gardner

            Both the house and the taxes.

          • ffc99

            lies about the foreclosure and tax lien? I’m not going to pretend that I’m not troubled by a candidate like Christine, who in addition to her recent financial problems has an embarrassingly thin resume, but her inability to tell the truth is the straw that breaks the camels back (from my perspective…and I suspect from the perspective of most independent Delaware voters).

          • JSobieski

            but denied that the lien was ever proper in most of her public statements–she would have in fact both admitted it legally but denied in most of her public statements.

            Its what the NRO would refer to as a stupid lie because it is easy enough to be proven false.

          • Aaron Gardner

            I just wan to know just in case I ever run for office. I am currently on a payment plan for taxes from 2006. All because of a clerical error regarding withholdings when I was in Iraq.

            Am I no longer a conservative for this?

          • JSobieski

            is rationalization–the kind that the Democrats would discover and use.

            Its the whole stupid lie thing. Folks like Biden and Gore can get away with it, but a conservative wil not.

            You, if running for office, would say that and the story is over.

            Christine apparently has several different stories about it. If it was the only issue, who would care. But there are so many of these stupid little bits out there. The college degree think, the invoices, the FEC charges, etc.

            Individually, I would say no sweat. But in the aggregate, and against a backdrop of accomplishment limited to PR work–its not likely to impress anyonein Delaware.

            Contrast that with Miller. Rubio. Angle. Paul.

            If Castle wins, he will be the weak link in the Senate in terms of conservatism. If Christine wins, she will be the weak link in terms of the upstart candidates.

          • JSobieski

            Setting up this straw men questions is not persuasive to anyone.

            Am I not conservative because I am skeptical of Christine’s viability?

            We aren’t challenging our conservative credentials here, so why are you pretending that I am?

            Nobody is challenging your conservative credentials. However, straw man questions like the one you offered don’t enhance the credibility of your argument.

          • Aaron Gardner

            That’s what they mean when they call her a phony and a fraud.

          • JSobieski

            Tim Geitner —- as I recall most Republican Senators voted against him

            But he did pay his back taxes in full—100%.

            He is still affectionately referred to as tax cheat Tim Geitner.

          • Aaron Gardner

            It’s 1:38 here on the East coast and I need to sleep. I will read the info in your links and reply here tomorrow, despite your petulant childlike attitude.

          • cordpt

            Writing diaries on Red State is what proves you’re capable of articulating a defense of conservatism? I’ll respect that opinion, but, in all honesty, it’s a very odd one. Even bizarre.

            Plus, I’m not running for Senate as a conservative. It isn’t about me. So, let’s make this very clear: you want to refute my points on O’Donnell – I’ll welcome that. You want to discuss me and make ad hominem arguments – this conversation is over. I’m not here to have meta-discussions or to talk about myself.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Tell me which one of the lines Castle is pushing wrt O’Donnell isn’t an ad hominem attack and then we can carry on.

          • JSobieski

            the lawsuit
            financial problems
            FEC violations
            liens
            college degrees had or missing

            are ad hominem attacks. They aren’t black and white attacks, but they are not ad hominem either.

            Saying stuff like “she couldn’t get elected dog catcher” is an ad hominem attack, but Castle didn’t say that (some GOP dork did) any more that O’Donnell said Castle was cheating on his wife in a homosexual relationship.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Yeah, that GOP dork is the State GOP Chair, he is Castle’s proxy. I think this is far different than some outside group that was no longer under the employ of O’Donnell.

          • JSobieski

            Anyway, this is a link that I found in numerous RS comments. I myself have repeated the link at least twice.

            http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c000243/

            87% in the last Congress. Better than I would have thought.

          • Aaron Gardner

            The fear of God has that effect.

            How about last session and the one before that and before that?

            In fact, go back as far as we all have on O’Donnell. Which is 2003 since we are now including her time at ISI in her record.

          • eburke

            and distanced herself from the allegation.

            Castle’s reaction to the completely over-the-top comments that the DE GOP chairman made: crickets chirping

  • penguin2

    We can’t afford the tantrums, the pouty lips, or the table thrown over, for with it goes our hopes of rescuing our nation from a power not seen before in America, at least not since the American Revolution.

    So please, any of you, all of you, (and you know who you are) disabuse yourself of the notion that the Democrats and The Left, once in total power, have any intention of ever sharing power with any of you, and that you will be allowed to remain as faithful members of the Ruling Class. The Ruling Class you know now, and aspire to hold onto, will be destroyed and replaced by another one.

    You’ve stated the facts, now we must heed their meaning.

  • LisaDe

    Thank you for continuing along this line.

    In the passed several days here at this site, I have read all kinds of negative comments concerning this Republican or that Republican. Hell, I’ve even just seen someone commenting against Chris Christie! Pathetic! They expect perfection and its just not gonna happen.

    If they persist along this line, just like you said, its suicide. I’m actually thinking that I will refrain from reading comments for awhile. People here should be united and stoked about this election, instead of nit-picking those who will give us the House and topple Pelosi, or those currently in power who are Not in Obamas back pocket.

    • finaljeopardy

      There is no “civil war,” but a referendum on the all-Democrat administration. Chris Christie is popular in NJ, but he’s considering a run, by the looks of it. He will get the full assault from the other candidate’s supporters then. Politics.

  • renny

    If Castle is more electable in the general contest, whether or not he is the perfect cons., may be mitigated by his ability to give the Reps. a majority in the Sen. McDonnell evidently may not.

    • texasgalt

      but this is a time for taking a few chances. Otherwise, it’s sure to be the SOS.

      • finaljeopardy

        Teabaggers want to send a message.

        • ywhyvon1
        • texasgalt

          But I am not surprised.

          The SOS insiders, their staff and theirsupporters are feeling threatened.

          Good.

          • ywhyvon1

            But these days “TEABAGGER” has been used so much it’s like calling someone “RACIST”. Not a slur anymore.

          • eburke

            to describe anybody remotely associated with the Tea Party movement.

            Just out of curiosity, are you aware of it’s urban dictionary meaning?

          • Bill S

            It is unacceptable. Period.

          • texasgalt

            and not the type of thing that is likely to be said to one in person. It could result in assault by newspaper.

            You can learn a lot here, if you listen to the right people. I’m a good listener and a quick study.

        • eburke

          out of ignorance (in which case you might want to go to your nearest urban dictionary to see why you’re using the same terminology as the unhinged Left)

          and,

          B) I’m pretty sure that Tea Partiers like myself aren’t spending all this time, money, sweat and tears just to send a message (although I guarantee you that’s part of the equation). I’m pretty sure we’re in this to win.

          And hey, “Republicans” such as the kind that you appear to favor did such a great job of winning that we went from being in the minority to having a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a 70 seat majority in the House.

          Oh…wait a minute.

          • JadedByPolitics

            PERFECTLY!

            teabagger is a slur whether used by the left and pathetically so by anyone who would consider themselves on the right!

          • eburke

            I do what I can in my little corner of the world.

        • Aaron Gardner

          I don’t care how much you dislike the Tea Party movement, referring to them by a sexual slang term, wholly meant as derogatory in nature is not how we do things here.

          Please reply to this with an affirmative acknowledgement.

        • Bill S

          Please explain your use of a sexually crude slur so I don’t have to turn your ID off…

          • finaljeopardy

            This primary has already seen crude sexual innuendo from the candidate who cannot stick to the issues, but instead insinuates her opponent is gay.

          • Bill S

            choose wisely.

        • acat

          The Tea Parties are there to achieve victory.

          The RINOs will retreat to the country club and wait for another day.

          Ironically, in video game parlance, the term you used is one of demonstrating superiority over a competitor. The Tea Partiers are the ones more likely to be celebrating their victory. I do hope they don’t choose to be quite as crude.

          Mew

      • smagar

        Especially in the Senate. If you miss a chance there, you have to wait six years for another shot.

        Perhaps the time to take chances with Senate elections was back when we have 50-plus Republicans in the Senate. That was fifteen Senate seats and one Obamacare ago.

        • eburke
          • cordpt

            that would talk a good talk but never dared to walk to walk played a big role in that.

            I’d take a governor like, say, Mike Castle, who cut taxes and balanced the budget, over all those conservatives who were always right on the issues but spent their entire time in Washington thinking of ways of bringing home the pork and protecting interest groups that would finance their re-election campaigns.

          • eburke

            contributions from?

        • pilgrim
      • kestrel

        It’s not as though O’Donnell is talking about Guam tipping over.

        I may be missing something in regard to this race, but there are numerous variables in the national picture, some potentially in play before 2012, that could go our way. This makes taking any one risk easier.

        For example, the states with Recall are watching the NJ Menendez case like hawks. I don’t see how Menendez could possibly win, but that’s a topic for another time.

        http://recallcongressnow.org/index.php

        This article is a short read of the key points in the case:
        http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/is_a_statebased_recall_of_a_us.html

        We can’t spare any man who fights.

    • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

      If “best” means “electable” then that’s okay for you. But don’t make that part of everyone’s calculation. I don’t think that Republicans living in blue states quite understand how bad Democrats have been tainted by the implementation of their agenda. This is communism in the United States. Lots of people have awakened to it. There is nowhere for Democrats to hide. They have made their play for communism and they have to face the consequences. Don’t underestimate the anger of the voters at this betrayal of our country by the elected political class.

      • ywhyvon1
      • acat

        perhaps, just perhaps, the ruling class RINO who gets the nomination will remember that they almost didn’t…

        and perhaps, with a little coordinating of letter writing campaigns and swamping of the phone bank, they’ll fear a repeat primary enough to move their tents further right.

        Or, as Utah and Florida both did this year, and Arizona and California did not, perhaps the next go-round, a good primary challenger will emerge …

        Mew

        • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
          • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

            Thanks

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Lets not forget to vote out ALL Democrats at ALL levels of Government – Federal, State and local.

    THAT will send a STRONG message of rejection of the Obama agenda to the Democrats. Only the strongest message will be enough to turn back Obama’s path towards socialism.

    • texasgalt

      Vote straight ticket Republican. Tell your family and friends to do the same.

      • izoneguy

        and I have never considered any democratic politician.

        Today in Texas I saw a Chrysler Mini-Van with Maryland plates plastered with democratic bumper stickers. Many Obama ones and what looked like local Maryland politicians. An older asian lady was driving the van. I tried to get a cell phone pic but she left to fast…..

        I would have love to known if she was just visiting or had to move from Maryland to Texas to look for a job????

        • texasgalt

          for new, legal citizens. Just leave your liberal voting habits in the state from which you are escaping.

          When you see that “Welcome to Texas” sign, you have entered into a place of opportunity but we don’t guarantee a good outcome for slackers.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    have a candidate who could even come close to my dead white cat in statewide elections so I don’t have to defend either McCain or Brewer, both of whom will win in walk.

    • kestrel

      from the party of “Over My Dead Body” but in case you haven’t noticed, he has changed parties. So you had better GOTV.

  • SirGladiator

    Obviously nobody can touch Joe Miller, a man who is a very strong Conservative, as well as a war hero, I don’t think any candidate of either party can claim the awesome qualifications that he has. Of course in the Delaware Senate race Christine O’Donnell is vastly more qualified than her liberal opponent. She has fought for years for the Conservative cause, and always stood for what’s right. Castle has been fighting against Conservatives and Conservatism for many years as a member of Congress, he has proven himself completely unqualified for higher office. Folks like Castle, Murkowski, Crist, Specter, they don’t have the qualifications that are needed in the US Senate, we need more people like Miller, Rubio, Paul, Buck, O’Donnell, and Angle, proud Conservatives who put the People first, not Big Government.

    • cordpt

      qualified to be in the Senate and what we need is more Bob Neys.

    • SteveLA

      Bankruptcy………………………………………… Check
      False Information about your Education…. Check
      Democrats salivating……………………………. Check
      Smarmy Stories planted……………………….. Check

      Makes perfect sense to support O’Donnell.

      • JSobieski

        I see it the same way you do. Being conservative doesn’t mean being an idiot. A candidate is more than a bunch of policy positions. While I would be very comfortable with Ms. O’Donnell’s votes, I don’t see how her lack of accomplishment in life as a person will allow her to prevail in a state where most people are not starting from a place close to where she is at.

        I have been in favor of all the upstarts this year. Rubio, Miller, Angle, Paul, et al.

        O’Donnell is a bridge too far. I would vote for her if I lived in Delaware for the same reasons why I voted twice for Steve Forbes in the presidential primaries, but I think her campaign is not going to end well for conservatives.

        The fact that people can’t see how her record is not impressive and her sommunications skills in any setting besides a softball setting (i.e. Hannity, Levin, et al) is incredibly poor.

        To compare her to Brown, Christie, or the conservative upstarts is to insult everyone else on the list.

        • Aaron Gardner

          I like you JSobieski, it’s disappointing that you would infer that those who disagree with you on one race are idiots. I didn’t know that that was part of being a conservative.

          • JSobieski

            but I do sincerely apologize for being less clear.

            My problem is with people who can’t even acknowledge that there are “issues” with Christine. You are not on that list.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Because I would certainly have to object to that.

          • JSobieski

            is (1) either an attack on O’Donnell or (2) a correction about Castle’s voting record (i.e. he was against the stimulus, didn’t vote 99% of time Obama agenda, etc)

            I don’t see any proud defenses of Castle at all. What I see are attacks on O’Donnell, and Castle doesn’t “stink as much as Coons”.

            Castle will be the weakest link in the Senate if he is elected.

            I don’t think any of these warts are denied by anyone here. Who is denying that Castle is . . . conservatively speaking . . an absolute terd?

          • Aaron Gardner

            So you didn’t see people saying that Castle is a 70% with us?

            I certainly did. And when I called them on it … nothing but crickets.

            We must be reading different threads. ;)

          • ffc99

            Mike Castle has voted with the majority of Republicans 87% of the time this Congress. Yup, he was wrong on cap and trade and some other issues, but he still gets it right a lot more than he gets it wrong.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Oh wait, I forgot, last year it was 28%.

            Please, lets do be honest about the man we are dealing with.

          • cordpt

            n/t

          • ffc99

            You’re talking about ACU ratings, which only take into account a very limited number of votes. And Mike Castle’s lifetime ACU rating is 52%. Not what I’d like, but certainly better than what Coon will score (and if O’Donnell wins the primary, we’ll be talking about Senator Coons).

          • JSobieski

            Voting percentages tend to clump together far more so than conservative ratings, which are designed to better distinguish the candidates.

            In no election year did Castle vote with Republicans only 28% of the time.

            So unless you have a link to support you 28% claim, you should retract it.

          • JSobieski

            get in the way of your argument. See, I have no passion for Castle whatsoever. This is probably the only primary battle this season where I can be dispassionate about what is going on. Its been an eye opener.

            You are talking about honest, and throwing around numbers like the 28% that are plain out false.

            Look, I acknowledge that the 87% includes stuff thats easy. Nobody is saying Castle is great or even good. Most admit that he will be the weakest link.

            Someone is going to be the weakest link. I suspect it will be Castle. Our side will however not be stronger if Snowe is the weakest link, and Castle is not present.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Why is it that yours is to be accepted and mine is to be rejected. And rejected because you think I am passionate about the race.

            I’ll ask you this, how many FP articles has I written on this race?

            Answer = 0

            I don’t think passion is my problem brother. ;)

          • JSobieski

            Just dismissing the people and facts against your position. Calling people childish or obsessed. Its like you are trying to show me where I was headed. I have taken in the lesson, whether or not that was your intention.

            When you are better rested in the morning, re-read the last 30 minutes of the interactions.

          • JSobieski

            I am saying that objectively speaking, you have dismissed far more factual arguments (87% voting record, admitted payment of the lien,etc) and that you are the one throwing out the most personal insults.

            Look, its late, but I just suggest that you review in the morning.

          • Aaron Gardner

            There no sense in projecting your guilt for something you wrote previously on to me.

          • JSobieski

            one generic unwise comment that did not include the word “all” up against your specific insults in response to specific factual allegations.

            Complaining about links not given which subsequently are given and not commenting on them, mistating the difference between an ACU rating a vote record while insulting those making the correct factual argument, mistating the voting percentage of Castle and not acknowledging the error when the error is pointed out, calling people making facutal arguments childish and obsessed with you, etc.

            I was showing you some genuine concern. I wish you could take it that way. Something about arguing the O’Donnell/Castle race just brings this out in people. Oh well.

          • Aaron Gardner

            I told ffc99 that I would read his links and respond in the morning. I am sorry that I would like to go to sleep. I didn’t realize that I have to go read everyone’s link right this second.

            Also, if you had followed the thread you would see that I counter-punched plenty of times, but I am not the one trying to discredit my opponent by characterizing my opponents as running on emotion.

            You want to point to me talking about cordpt being obsessed with me while you ignore him first saying those exact words to me just a few comments before.

            That’s fine, you want to hold me to a different standard then cordpt.

            You could go back and read the thread to see that it wasn’t me who started that crap, but I guess it is easier to infer that I have lost control of my faculties with my support for O’Donnell.

            I would greatly appreciate you going back and reviewing the threads and correcting your mis-perception.

            If I were f99c I would follow up that comment with “but I don’t expect it”

          • JSobieski

            I can refind the link if you want

          • eburke

            They give the same rating to a procedural vote about funding a $100,000 grant to study the mating habits of yaks in Siberia during a full moon to a final vote on gutting the 1st Amendment via the DISCLOSE Act.

            Castle has voted the wrong way on a host of major issues that impact not just the lives and the pocketbooks of a small number of people, but the lives of every single American.

            I have never pretended that Christine doesn’t have some issues, but the absolutely *pale* in comparison to the issues that Castle has piled up through years of voting against the 1st and 2nd Amendments, against life so many times that he has an F from the NRTL, and who has blatantly said that he believes that part of his duty is to reach across the aisle to find ‘solutions’ w/the other side. Which, translated by experience means: I’m good with bending my side over”

    • JSobieski

      People tend to want to vote for Senator someone who has accomplished something. I mean, if the person running has accomplished little so far in their life, why add to their responsibilities.

      Christine’s record of accomplishment is looking bad in interviews, struggling to pay off previous campaign debts, and appearing to be a bit unhinged.

      If she was liberal and running in Harlem, she could beat Rangel.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/09/too-close-to-call-in-delaware.html

    Sunday, September 12, 2010
    Too Close to Call in Delaware

    It looks like there

    • JadedByPolitics

    • eburke
    • IJB

      …They were proven right last time.

      It’ll be interesting to see if they get DE right as well…

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        Ya really gotta read the whole thing to get the full flavor.

        This race is too close to call and could certainly go either way Tuesday night. General election Senate numbers we’ll release later this week make it clear the biggest beneficiary of this primary becoming so unexpectedly hotly contested is Chris Coons. He would start out with a large advantage over O’Donnell in a general election match up, and is polling closer to Castle than he was when PPP polled Delaware last month.

        If they’re credible on the top part of the article, then I’d assume you’d accept their credibility for the last paragraph.

        • IJB

          …Because I don’t think the actual contours of that race will be known until the start of Oct., at the earliest.

          As it is, I have no real opinion on either the DE or NH primaries either – I’m just watching them as an observer with no ‘skin’ in the game.

        • Aaron Gardner

          That is interesting indeed.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            I have no clue as to whether it’s because DE is just a natural Dem state and we should expect to see the D candidate close (which is what I would suspect) even without the O’Donnell factor, or whether it’s because of a negative media blitz by the anti-Castle folk.

            Either way, the PPP update on the general will be interesting.

        • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

          It IS hard to poll in a race like this where historically the turn out by Republicans in the primary has been so low (12 per cent in 2006, for example).

          Recall the weeks leading up to the Nevada primary. All we heard about was Loudon, Tarkanian and some other guy, but not Angle. Then, about four days before the primary, Angle’s name popped up. And then she got 40 per cent. I know some of the folks in Clark County, and they had been telling me that Angle would win with their help. And they were right.

          I have no idea what the strength of the tea party/9.12/etc. grass roots conservative GOTV efforts are in Delaware. Delaware is not Nevada. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. And how my calls to Delaware voters go tomorrow.

          For Liberty,
          ColdWarrior, PC (that

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            other races in the cycle. And let me be the first to admit that I don’t know diddly-squat about DE politics. I lived there 20+ years ago for a while (and Mike Castle was, as I recall Governor) but I haven’t followed it since I moved to Phoenix.

            What I am pretty sure of:

            • DE is a very small state.
            • It’s population is liberal and doesn’t display the libertarian streak found in other recent primary states.
            • Mike Castle is a household name (not good or bad, just a note on name rec).
            • He’s been pretty much a shoo-in from day one (again, not good or bad, just a fact.)
            • O’Donnell seems to be an unknown quantity headed into the general in terms of her abilty to beat Coons.
            • There’s no “recovery time” in the process from here out. The general is six weeks away.

            At the end of the day I don’t care which Republican wins in Delaware as long as it’s the Republican. I’m not trying, and I have no intention of trying to make a case for either candidate, we’ve had RS posters beating the crap out of one another all weekend over this race and I can’t imagine I can add anything but a target.

            I will note, as did you, that DE isn’t NV and it isn’t AK either. In both of those cases I feel pretty good about the Republican nominee winning. Angle stepped in it a couple of times right after the primary but she’s had the luxury of some recovery time. O’Donnell doesn’t have that luxury and the long knives will definitely be out for her.

            Given the choice of having a Senate majority with Castle or losing DE and the majority with O’Donnell, I’ll side with Castle. And I know it’s no sure thing that we are in the majority with Castle. At any rate, we go into November with the “army we’ve got” either way.

      • ffc99

        Polling a low turnout primary in a state like Delaware is a tricky proposition, so I admire them for having the guts to do so and publish their results.

  • minncon
  • vmo335

    squish. i really like it when it is used as an adjective. i.e., squishy republican.
    great post. let’s hope it makes an effective impact. maybe the Great One will readit on his show.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    To ywhyvon1: I hope to see you back. I’ve enjoyed reading your comments. Do your time then come back. I’m a stickler for good manners, too.

    This Conservative keeps his word….after Tuesday. I’ll support the R, no matter what, even if it means keeping my mouth shut about the entire state of Delaware after Tuesday. Castle supporters, if what I’ve seen here are an indicator, will slide (way too easily) onto the suicide track. I just want to make sure they know, this time around, there will be no coming back. They will reap the whirlwind if they will not pull that R lever in November.

    In choosing between any candidate the better choice is always the one you can control. I assume an overall GOP victory will mean a general change in leadership, and a change in tone. With Angle, Rubio, Buck there will be a much stronger Conservative twang to that tone, so the easy ride for all the moderate/RINO/call them what you like members will also become less easy. This includes the Maine Blueberries and the People’s seat in Massachusetts. Yes, and Broom Closet Graham. There will be a lot more phone calls to members’ mothers saying “Mom, no one really seems to like me around here.”

    That kind of new leadership, as it materializes the next 26 months, could manage my dog Spot in the Senate, so I certainly don’t worry about Christine O’Donnell.

    We can’t control the D’s, even the in vitro D’s, such as Castle. As long as they wear an R we can insure that no unpopular vote goes unpunished, and make sure that pulling a Jeffords will be more painful than pulling molars with a hex-wrench.

    • deano64

      sights on the Dems in all states after today. No more Conservative vs. RINO this cycle.

    • Flagstaff

      you’ll be supporting.

      Me, too, and gladly. My belief is that this is the perfect year to make this play. It stands a better chance to work than in other years, and if it doesn’t work, it matters less. Plus, it’s the right thing to do for the reasons many have stated.

      It would be nice if the Ruling Class Losers would turn into winners by supporting those whom the people preferred, but they don’t seem to be quite that magnanimous.

      And I don’t know anything about O’Donnell, or about Castle, really. I’ve heard him speak, though. Graceless, classless, and dependent on praise from Democrats for sustenance. Seems like a good man to have someplace other than the Senate. Working in the park, perhaps, with one of those stick with a nail in it. After many years of picking our pockets, he should be a natural. (OK,OK, I don’t really KNOW that he’s been picking pockets. But what else does an arrogant a****le do in the Senate?)

      Supporting O’Donnell should be easier than supporting him would have been.

    • Flagstaff

      FWIW, Rush says it no longer applies.

      The Limbaugh Rule:

      “In an election year when voters are fed up with liberalism and socialism, when voters are clearly frightened of where the hell the country is headed, vote for the most conservative Republican in the primary, period.”

      He also opined, “The Buckley Rule is, ostensibly, that you vote for the most electable conservative option against a Democrat in November. You vote for the Republican, slash, conservative who can win. To me, this requires clairvoyance, as is being currently applied in the Mike Castle-Christine O’Donnell race in Delaware, to use an example. The polling data is that Castle will win big and O’Donnell will lose big. If she gets the Republican nomination today, if she wins the election she’ll lose big. The polls say she’ll lose by 25 points; that Castle will win by 20 points. But who knows this? The election’s a long time off. In a year like this, it seems to me that Americanism versus socialism can make up 25 points. Why the hell not try to? Is what I don’t understand. Why not try to make up the 25 points?”

      He said that and a lot more today. I don’t know if he inspired ‘Pubs in Delaware to vote for O’Donnell, but he might have. He also said, “The bigger risk to me is that RINOs, Republicans-in-Name-Only like Mike Castle, tarnish the conservative brand. They confuse and turn off the electorate who end up thinking, ‘Well, they’re all alike.’ When people say, ‘There’s no difference in the Republicans and Democrats,’ if they’re talking about Republicans-in-Name-Only and Democrats, they may have a point. So the conservative candidate, the Buckley Rule, a conservative candidate that could win, Castle, gets elected; it just blurs for independents what conservatives are, and independents are running to the Republican Party in droves right now. I’ve uttered the same idea myself recently. It may be a small thing when it applies to only one candidate, but it seems to apply to so many over the years, with the result being “they’re all alike.”

  • Oz

    This is the reminder that we need again and again.

    As I said in the diary that Erick so kindly frontpaged a while ago.

    Right now is the time to get our footing in the congress again and then HOLD THEIR TOES TO THE FIRE.

    We want all Republicans to be a little bit afraid of their town hall meetings.

    We want the Johnny Isakson’s of the world to be thinking twice before they override presidential vetos for pork barrel spending.

    Yes, I would love a congress of Jim DeMint’s but for now, I’ll take getting some kind of meaningful say in congress.

  • tollen

    The comments have been interesting, have reminded me of the Mom in Tennis Shoes from my state.
    Patty Murray became Tom Daschle’s trainee and has in my state been re-elected since 1993. If she had not been under Daschle’s protection and tutelage, she would not have been re-elected severtal times.

    I pray that Jim DeMint or Joe Miller will take Christine O’Donnell under her wing, she might become a great senator.

    PS. Patty Murray has alot of lables, –great senator is not one. I hope she is defeated this year, finally.

  • minncon

    All the discussion engendered by this Diary makes it clear that we are all in a tricky situation this year. But, rather than beat up on one another, we should remember Reagan’s 11th Commandment to “Speak no ill of fellow Republicans.”

    After all, just look at the last poor well-meaning Republican voter who honesty thought he was voting the right way…

  • UpLateAgain

    They have just announced that they don’t think O’Donnell is electable, so they will not be providing her financial support in the general. I have left the Republican Party and will no longer be providing the RNC financial support as a result. From here out, my political contributions (and other support) go strictly to individual candidates.

    • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

      …we’ll have to fix that.

    • cordpt

      If O’Donnell starts raising money and climbing on the polls, they’ll change their tune.

  • dajeeps

    I vowed to myself that there will be no more holding my nose in the polling station. Considering the debates with other conservatives I have had regarding primary candidates, it appears that many have not changed their voting habits at all — the Obama/Pelosi/Reid chaos has not taught them the right lesson and they would vote for Obama if he proclaimed to be pro-life.

    And so here I am with my conservative countrymen not having learned the right lesson about our constitution and how fragile liberty and freedom really are, having to make a choice that is ultimately the same choice I’ve had since I was old enough to vote in the 1988 election cycle. Vote RINO or…?And the definiton of insanity is what?

    If you want my cooperation, you must also explain to me what is going to be done about the adulterous relationship some of the so-called Republicans have with the statists, because if something effective is not done about them we will all be committing national suicide anyway.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      I held my nose lot’s of times in the past, but I got a big stink anyway.

  • samadams25

    We the People of the Tea Party have not become activated only to become pawns of the GOP. Yes, we strongly oppose the policies and agenda of the

    • gekster
      • samadams25

        As messed up by the unions as Michigan is, I know that there are some good, patriotic people there.

        God bless the Motor City Madman, Terrible Ted Nugent!
        Kill ‘em an’ grill ‘em! (Ted’s wild game cookbook)