Will Christine O’Donnell Destroy the Ruling Class Center-Left Coalition?


(I know Lisa Murkowski is the new (ex-)GOP headline right now, and I refer you to Lexington_Concord’s excellent front page piece yesterday on RedState. He used all the right adjectives; cowardly, craven, narcissistic, selfish and I added a few,  to describe what is now officially a trend, indeed, a defining characteristic of GOP moderates. Quoting myself there in the comments:

Until, unless they can redefine themselves in the public image as anything that is just a little bit bigger than back-biting, back-stabbing whiners, on the character side, their policy side will never again be the subject of polite conversation.

Even with this news, it is still on the success or failure of Christine O’Donnell that the moderates have staked their entire political futures. We won’t have to purge them. They are purging themselves and it will only require one victory to do it. Delaware.)

For the strangest reasons, which deserve some analysis here, a lot of people in the quasi-conservative-to-center parts of the GOP seem to have decided to go “all-in” to insure O’Donnell does not win the Delaware senate seat in the general election.

If she loses, she is their Judas goat, vindicating everything they’ve been saying about tea parties, social conservatives and other “radicals” who represent 70% of American thinking these days.

But if she wins, they are revealed as phonies and false prophets, and we know what happens to false prophets.

This article started out on Tuesday night, before the Delaware election results were in, as a piece about the unnatural connection between the media and the polling industry, but the strange victory of O’Donnell…not that she won, mind you, but the reaction to it…widens my understanding of what is really up for grabs here. This may indeed signal the beginning of the Armageddon conservatives have been praying for in the Republican Party. Whudda thunk it would be Christine O’Donnell, with all her baggage, who might end up standing at the door passing out carry-on baggage for departing GOP centrists? Bybye. Bybye.

For some reason that Sharron Angle, Mike Lee, Ken BucK, Rand Paul couldn’t evoke, Christine O’Donnell is the straw that may well break the GOP elite’s back, the one senate seat too far, exposing the real Center-Left Beltway Ruling Class coalition, destroying it forever. Starting next year, they will simply start putting D’s next to their names, and guess what? This is not good news, even welcome news for the Democrat Party.

See Mike Murphy, who the day after O’Donnell’s win, I) says he can do the math…obviously not, no one can, and that’s the point (see below) 2) and can read Harry Reid’s sense of victory…nope, worse thing in the world to happen to Dems, an existential crisis, in fact goes on there, and 3) offers to pass over the remaining campaign to Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin (and Erick Erickson/RedState.com, h/t WSJ and Ben Domenech)…thanks, but they’ve done that already, Mr Murphy. It’s called a snatch-and-grab. You’re just one of the last to find that out. Seems Mike Murphy has gone all-in, by writing a check with his mouth his *** can’t cash.

See Scott Brown, R-MA, and current holder of the Other People’s seat there, who stated after the primary that social conservatives were running moderates out of the Republican Party. 1) There were no real social conservative issues before the voters in the O’Donnell-Castle race, only O’Donnell’s personal baggage issues versus Mike Castle liberal economic agenda, Cap & Trade,etc. Nothing moderate about Cap & Trade, Scott. Actually, nothing really liberal about it either, just wall to wall anti-constitutional socialism.  Seems the Republicans of Delaware knew full well the choice they were making.

But there will be both social and economic conservatives issues before the whole of Delaware in November, Scott, so can we surmise you’re recommending the Democrat take on those issues? Sounds like you’ve gone all-in, too. In the words of Cliff Huxtable to son Theo, in Episode One of The Bill Cosby Show (1984), RedState brought you into this world and we can damned sure take you out.

And see Mike Castle, who still can’t say “Good game” and shake hands with the gal that whomped him, but can find time for an post-election cry with Baraq Obama and Joe Biden…proving once again what Arlen Specter, Bob Bennett and Charlie Crist proved to the people of their respective states…THEY WERE RIGHT BY SHOWING THESE CRAVEN NO-CLASS BAGS OF WIND THE DOOR. But unlike the rest of the GOP, Mike, you’ve gone all out, not all in. You’re finished, no matter what the November outcome.

And see Karl Rove. Yes, that Karl Rove, the third most hated man in America 2000-2008, by the Left. I like Rove, and want to continue liking him so suggest he sit the rest of this election cycle out. Without pay, if necessary. It’s not that he backed a loser, or even that he’s violated all my post-primary rules about speaking ill of a candidate once the have people decided. Turns out he may have had a financial dog in that O’Donnell-Castle fight in the first place…possibly on someone’s payroll to puff for Castle behind the scenes, while holding himself out as an objective and impartial consultant on Fox and other venues, telling us she just can’t win because primarily of some ethical issues. So who’s the most ethically challenged here, Karl? You need to sit the rest of this one out and talk to us about reinstatement in January. (I’m still waiting on Newt’s apologia, so  can see how that works.)

Even see Charles Krauthammer, who also called this one wrong, and like Rove, strangely continues to press his point in today’s Washington Post (The Buckley Rule, which he gets wrong by the way) as there must also be something else there Charles is protecting by stressing, no insisting, on O’Donnell’s inability to win, as a matter of what…statistical certitude?

Why I offer Rove a way back, and Charles an olive branch should O’Donnell win, and not the class-conscious GOP Ruling Class elites such as Castle, is that neither have based their predictions based on class snobbery. And neither have shown themselves to be Murkowski-like dynasty-phobes, whiners, or God forbid, backstabbers. At least not yet. An old Arab proverb goes, “You must be very wise to know what is in the hearts of other men.” Charles the Wise, more than Karl, has violated that very common sensical notion, for it is almost axiomatic in his public utterances. In my memory he never ventures into murky ethical waters, especially when his only means of locomotion are oars made of statistics. But he has here.

They Shoot False Prophets, Don’t They?

The big point here…both Karl and Charles have apparently based their analyses and conclusions on a political math (polling) that has become corrupt and miscegenous, due for the most part to the 24-hour news cycle and the need to use polls to generate news rather than reveal public sentiment about anything. It’s not so much that these polls are less honest, although I expect they are, but that they are more flighty. Goldie Hahn-esque, Look, a butterfly!, hither one day, thither another.

Polls used to be staid and sober, reflecting a statistical discipline as tempered and contemplative as the Senate was once rumored to be. Now, they have more of the flavor of the House of Representatives, no, Knesset, during one of those beer-bottle throwing sessions of the 50s, when haymaker law was in session.

RedState has about as fine an analyst of polls as you will find in Neil Stevens, and who is entitled to a bow from that WSJ shout-our mentioned by Ben Domenech, above. I’m no statistician but can tell a horse from a mule, and I’m a fair ethicist. Like Father Brown (Chesterton’s most famous fictional character, for those of you who want to read more) when things don’t add up, as polls have been doing for years, from Larry Sabato, who missed the Periello theft in ’08 in his own back yard, to all the big names, Gallup, Rasmussen…I look for what’s missing in the crime scene.

If I had a polling company right now, I’d call it PissedOff.com, and what I’d look for is what it is that makes voters, registered, likely, etc, angry. Seriously, how can you have any poll since 2006 when half the Republican electorate was angry, without any way to measure voter anger? Of course, the Left has been locked on Angry for well over ten years, only pollsters consider that to be a state of nature with them, so, as businessmen rather than true statistical scientists, have never inquired deeper.

Don’t get me wrong, they do a good job after the election…usually to explain why such and such a candidate lost (usually a Dem) and why the pollsters failed to see it going in. Remember “angry white males” in 2004? My question: Why can’t they see it going in? You mean after all these years Gallup, Rasmussen, Zogby, Mason-Dixon still don’t have a way to measure “pissed off”? How about it’s reverse, enthusiasm?

It’s just one of those things we can’t measure, Chet. Back to David.”

Q: If they can’t measure IT, when IT will likely swing the election, what possible sense can anyone make of any poll they put before the public that excludes IT? Why bother with polls…Charles?

Maybe I can’t measure IT, but I can sure get a sense of IT. Has anyone noticed that Hayek is still No 1-2 at Amazon.com? How about sales of American history books? The Constitution? I can do 10 pages with my eyes closed as to how to measure pissed off, afraid, incensed, and violated, from the 600,000 who showed up in Washington on 8/28, to the number of boarding passes taken away this year alone from the Scarlett O’Hara wing of the Republican Party.

The Margin of Error

Actually two.

GOP moderates no longer get the benefit of the doubt. When they declare themselves to be GOP moderates today they also declare themselves to be wolves in sheeps’ clothing, dynastyists who will always turn bitter and cowardly when denied their ambitions. Their only politics is vanity. Me-Me-Me.

Secondly’, in the past, when elections are close, the rule of thumb has always been that the Dem will get the break of the cards, usually due to the help of the fine dead folks of East St Louis’ poorest cemeteries, and helpful local registrars and secretaries of state around the country.

This year, the close elections will all flip to the GOP, for the reasons stated above. Or, in one phrase, because pollsters still cannot measure “pissed off”.

So my call, right now: O’Donnell plus or minus 3 points on Oct 31. She’s already moved from -25 to -11 based a one-hour rant by Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday, raising over a million inside 24 hours. (If he did that for ColdWarrior and LaborUnionReport this would be the last time any discussion about moderate v conservative primary would even come up in print.)

The best news I’ve had in a long time is that the GOP moderates have gone all in…and joined the Democrats, just in order to see Christine O’Donnell lose.


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Lisa Murkowski is the next Marshall Coleman.

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 10:11AM EDT (link)

If she sucessfully torpedoes Miller in a pique of spite.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

you've out done yourself with the Vasser...which is a very tall order...

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 12:03PM EDT (link)

I haven’t been able to read you for a while and relish it when I get the chance… because you have a way of saying things I’m thinking that I just can’t articulate….

but this is a Diamond among Rubies….it flashes white light and rainbows in a see of brilliant red…

We do indeed owe Christine O’Donnell a debt of gratitude for smoking these vermin from the hay stack….and win or lose…she’s done her party and the nation a service in the endeavor!

MarkTwain 3

 

You are correct about the polls....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 12:13PM EDT (link)

I believe they are being manipulated to CREATE a news cycle. It was the Rasmussen one while Crist was “deciding” that put him ahead by 1 of Rubio in a three way that finally opened my eyes to this reality. It was that poll that gave Crist that factor in his mind to run and since that poll he has not lead again.

With regards to the all in, it is indeed put up or shut up time. The “progressive” Republicans as I have always suggested are just Rockefeller Republicans which is to say they are Republicans who like a tax cut and regulation free business environment but are as socially liberal as Obama. They are JFK Democrats, PERIOD!

I want the 42% of this Country who are self-proclaimed Conservatives to get the Country they want for a couple of election cycles so that the rest of America, those 38% who self identify as Independents will see that indeed they WANT TO LEAN RIGHT! The liberals will always want some panacea, can’t we all get along, co-exist Country that is really a faith in man that cannot and NEVER WILL exist and in such will always hate the Country that is center right which just mean they will continue to be miserable.

Right you are Jaded.

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 12:20PM EDT (link)

VB

Manipulation, perhaps

AKSteveB (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:19AM EDT (link)

what I think a lot of folks keep missing ..(they sure as hell did in AK), is that many of “our type” of voters, NOT necessarily the ones we see on political blogs just flat out don’t want to answer polls. We have a pollster up here (Dittman), with a great long term prediction record, but he’s been stone cold on everything in the last year. I’d say the same about Rassmussen. You don’t need conspiracy or manipulation to not have a clue this year.

Hell is other people – Sartre

Then there's ingrates like me who...

acat (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:08AM EDT (link)

lie through my teeth to pollsters, when I decide to actually answer a call from “unlisted” or “000-000-0000″.

And by way of apology to Neil for pocking with his data, look up “Dewey Defeats Truman” some time – interesting tale about polling in there… the owner of the Chicago Tribune ran that headline after his newsroom did a telephone poll backing it up – turns out a lot more people who couldn’t afford phones voted Truman.

That leaves out pollsters who farm out the actual field work to phone banks that “mysteriously” under-poll Republicans.

Voice on phone: “How do you feel about Palin”
Me: “Love her”
{click}
Me: “Hello? Hello?”

This was proven a couple years ago, don’t know that there’s any real way for ‘em to get around it.

So, yeah. The polls are wrong. The media knows it. Why not “cook” it just a little teensy bit more to make a story? Yeah…

Mew

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By the way Vasser...you mis spelled O'Donnell in your headline nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 1:46PM EDT (link)
 

duhhhh

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

thanks for the heads up, pardner

Vassar- It's hard trying to keep up with all the Irishmen

Scope (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 4:36PM EDT (link)

O’Connell, O’Donnell, McConnell, MacDonald, McDonnell. They sure do like to get into politics don’t they? And, when the going gets tough, they throw back a Bushmills. LOL.

The Mac's are Scots, laddy

renny (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:37PM EDT (link)

The O’s are Irish, except for little o.

 
 

Don't Mention it

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 8:05PM EDT (link)

I’m often amazed at how something reads after I posted it because I either didn’t proof read it…or missed it anyway after proof reading because I know what I meant and see it in my mind and what I wrote doesn’t register as I’m reading it

I did it in an earlier thread when I was pointing out Mitch Daniels had said we should be willing to increase increases…I proofed it twice and then re read it the third time only to discover I’d typed tax CUTS.

I HATE when that happens

MarkTwain 3

 
 

The PO'd, and the mistrusting

Scope (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 6:03PM EDT (link)

A few days before the O’Donnell primary, someone here posted a terrific point (wish I could remember who it was, maybe beaglescout?). He was responding to someone who was of the opinion that if O’Donnell wins, it was an automatic win for the DE Democrats in November. He said, that so many are missing the fact that these mid-terms are like no others, and, that there are a lot of very angry people, who are very much against what the O, and his Progressive administration has shoved down our throats, as we were screaming and begging them not to. Yes, in other words, there are a lot of pissed off people out there, who would probably prefer the real three Stooges, Moe, Larry and Curly instead of Obama, Pelosi and Reid running Washington right now.

I would also like to add that so many are also very mistrusting of the current administration. No only the President, but most of the current crop of Progressives, have lied and lied, and then lied about their lying. Look at the back room deals, in order to get their sick sorry bills through. Look at the EPA passing crap with no Senate or Congressional input, like the endangerment finding. Unfortunately there are going to be many actions, taken by Obama, and his admin., and his czars, that we don’t even know about, that we will find out about maybe when it’s too late. Not everything makes the Friday afternoon news dump. How many know that the O signed off on Interpol, with no government questions or oversight allowed. How many follow the O’s gifts of billions to the international IMF, to try to influence the worlds bankers, that has now pissed off the Europeans. The Europeans are laughing at us, and, they are no longer doing it behind closed doors, or behind their hands.

With the level of pissedoffitness, and the level of mistrust, there is no earthly way that the O can be above 50% in the polls. There is no way that in some polls his approvals are higher than his dissapprovals. I haven’t believed the polls for a long time. The ones cited, to have come the closest to accurate in any particular election, keep changing from one organization to another. It’s like playing musical chairs with Hail Hail the Gangs All Here, playing in the background. Shoot, if the D’s can get away with stealing elections, stealing polling results is a piece of cake. It’s a heck of a lot easier to see if Mary Lou’s address is at St. Peter’s graveyard, than it is to track down those that were polled. Heck, it’s easier to find the number assigned to the park bench where Mary lives, than to find the polled.

I lost any like or respect for Rove, the Boy Genius, or Architect, when he either couldn’t or wouldn’t read the pulse of the people before the Republicans took a beating in the 06 elections. It only got worse by 08. Yet “Compassionate Conservatism” lived on, deluding themselves into thinking that the more they gave into the demands of the Democrats, with government freebies, and big government legislation, the more they would be liked, and the more elections they would win. I have a 10 year supply of incandescent light bulbs, thanks Pres. Bush. Karl Rove is hooked on politics, just as much as any of us political junkies. Karl, as you said, the third most hated man in politics back around 06, should have removed himself from the limelight when Bush left the WH. With his latest sanctimonius rants against a Republican, who had already won a primary, hopefully will send him out to those green pastures of retirement, and we can get down to electing those that will respect the Country Class, and their wishes.

O’Donnell can win in November. She is running against a one time self described Marxist, and, one who promised not to raise taxes in DE, and did it 3 times. I’ve read that property taxes have gone up in DE by 25% since he made that promise. She is electable, and, Coons is beatable.

Excellent response!

Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, September 18th at 6:43PM EDT (link)

Scope this is one of those comments that by its completeness and well-turned phrasing deserves to be a diary. And I don’t just say that because you agreed with one of my comments, but because it brings new facts with it. I’m especially interested in Coons record in DE. If a Marxist isn’t vulnerable on his policy choices then we are not America anymore. Delaware may be little more than a suburb of DC and Philly, but I don’t think it has sunken that low.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 

Rove, the Boy Wonder ... Rove, the copycat.

acat (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:14AM EDT (link)

All Rove really accomplished was to copy Gingrich’s work with the Contract With America – that is, press release and otherwise get out enough of the “right stuff” to get the grass roots conservatives to back George W’s agenda.

Both Gingrich and Rove made one fatal mistake, IMO – neither actually *listened* to what the grass roots were saying. In fairness to Newt, that was at the dawn of the internet age. Rove has no excuse.

I think Vassar is being too kind to Rove. It is his piece, though, and Rove still has the contacts and the insider knowledge to be very useful… if he’ll listen instead of trying to run the show.

Mew

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acat- Rove set his agenda when he was still young

Scope (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/interviews/slater.html

I know this is from PBS, but, it is an interview about Rove from his high school days. Even if only some of it is true, you can see how Rove was always only an operative, who did not have any firmly held beliefs or principles, except winning at all costs. It seems that Rove’s tactics all along have been, attack your opponent early and often. Forget their positions on issues, go after them personally where they have the biggest weaknesses. It appears that he used the very same approach with O’Donnell, even though she was another Republican, not a Liberal.

There are some that believe Karen Hughes was mainly responsible for W’s election in 2000, but, according to this interview, Rove had been grooming W before he even became Texas Governor.

I wondered if it was Rove that designed Compassionate Conservatism, and, I think you can see his fingerprints all over it in this interview. He still thinks it is a workable solution for the Republican party.

 
 
 

As a moderate Republican...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 12:47AM EDT (link)

Full disclosure: If I lived in Delaware, I would not vote for Christine O’Donnell. Her political beliefs – however vacuous – are beside the point. My primary objection has to do with character.
Ideological purity is an insidious imprudence for reasons far more consequential than the conventional objection of political appeal. Strictly speaking, there are things more important than just having mass appeal (e.g., integrity, competence, etc). As such, a contested primary between a Toomey vs Specter or a Rubio vs Crist boils down to a choice between a (seemingly) principled challenger versus an opportunistic incumbent. Electoral considerations are of a secondary concern.
But getting back to O’Donnell. It’s interesting, if Tom Coburn were to have been a Republican candidate in Delaware I would have voted for him without reservation… and I’m referring to the primary. So it begs the question of why can’t I bring myself to vote for O’Donnell in the general, even over a “bearded Marxist”? The Ralph Reeds’ of the world inevitably come by post-election to sell their electoral indulgences – usually compensated by an earmark to an Indian casino or its equivalence – and while I may be fairly confident in Coburn’s reluctance to oblige, I doubt deep down anyone honest with themselves can say the same about O’Donnell.
So let us move beyond the drivel talk of “ruling-class elites” and “marxist ideology” and talk of consequential things. The conservative movement is more threatened by the hypocrisy of some of its loudest proponents (Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich, etc) than any platitudinized external menace. But I fear the “purge the party” zeal cannot be tamed, so let me offer a way to use it for good: The moderate and liberal Republicans should agree to join with you and expel unprincipled RINO’s like Crist, while the “true” conservatives can throw us a bone and help us with the “Family Values” conservatives like Vitter.

The primary is over, so its time to either climb abord

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 12:55AM EDT (link)

or talk about other topics. Talking about how you won’t support a particular R nominee/candidate is not going to be permitted here–at least not for long.

This is a Republican site. I don’t disagree that in a general sense, the “ruling-class elites” language is getting out of hand. However, if you don’t want to support the Republican, you really shouldn’t be talking about that on a Republican site.

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you want to tame the voters?

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 1:00AM EDT (link)

i mentioned a purge earlier, but that was the wrong term, it is called the ballot box. Unlike a few extremists here, actually one I can’t talk about, no one wants to purge anyone. We don’t want to fire Snowe and Collins prematurely, they will have their chance at the ballot box in due time. We are trying to stop Obama’s statism, if you on not on board with that, then go back to Daily Kos.

Molon Labe!

 

So speaks the "moderate"

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 10:07AM EDT (link)

claiming “ideological purity is an insidious imprudence.” Such is the sad state of affairs within our government and political system that most people these days have little understanding what conservatism is or how character is formed.

If George Washington were running today, people such as you would find something at fault with him, while claiming that ideological purity is an insidious imprudence.

What is imprudent is to say it’s okay that our federal government continues to draw more power to itself by robbing us of our rights, civil rights and states’ rights, as long as it’s Republicans doing the taking.

Is that the ideological purity you speak of? Wanting to keep as much of what we work for and safeguard our civil rights? And you call it imprudent?

Spending is directly related those things. The more the government spends, the more it taxes, either outright or hidden. The more the government takes from us, the less we have to do for ourselves. The less we have to do for ourselves, the more responsibility the government has to do for us. The more the government has to do for us, the more rules and regulations it can impose on those for whom it’s doing. He who pays the piper…

A vicious cycle that many fight to keep in place using words like “ideological purity” and “insidious imprudence”. Perhaps you like Michelle Obama telling you what you can and can’t eat. Or Congress telling you how “green” you must be while they exempt themselves. Or spending money on “genital washing” in Africa. Or abortion funding. Or any number of other stupidities that go well beyond mere imprudence.

So, O’Donnell’s not perfect. Are you? Name one who is. I dare you.

Jesus, himself, was crucified by people such as you. When given a choice between a murderer and a savior, the savior was put to death.

Not that O’Donnell is anywhere near perfect but every time somebody says something like what you said above it reminds me how much more is expected of others than one expects of oneself.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Great comment Steph C

qixlqatl (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 11:39AM EDT (link)

Exactly right.

“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”

George Gordon Noel Byron

 

Jesus, Himself, was crucified by people such as you...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

That was a great line, Steph. In your righteous indignation, you forgot to capitalize “Himself”.
Unfortunately, you didn’t read the “insidious imprudence” sentence correctly. Liberal and Moderate Republicans tend to criticize “ideological litmus tests” on the grounds that they compromise political appeal during the general election. And while this may be true, some of these nefarious “centrists” tend to treat political appeal as the single greatest political consideration when choosing a candidate. What I said, and feel free to read the whole paragraph over out loud if it helps, is that there are things much more important than the pure political appeal of a candidate – namely character, competence, etc. Which is why, in 2004, when Toomey challenged Specter, liberal and moderate Republicans should have given more consideration to Toomery – George Bush and Rick Santorum notwithstanding – given his character and track record as a successful mayor and the lack of credibility of his opponent, Arlen Specter.
By the way, George Washington is a hero of mine. Along with Cartman from South Park.
But getting back to the “Jesus, Himself” comment. Really?

I did read the whole paragraph.

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 3:57PM EDT (link)

The first time, thanks. Perhaps you should read what you wrote and make sure you understand it yourself.

Nice touch, too, criticizing a capitalization. I suppose I’m not perfect, either, but then, you never named anyone who is…

It’s the criticism to which you resort that spells out who you are more than any argument or talking point of the leftist spiel. What I said only peripherally had to do with religion in that He’s the only perfect person to ever inhabit this earth. Yet, you leap from that to “righteous indignation” and base your rebuttal on it?

Nice touch of hypocrisy, too. Criticize my capitalization but make your own mistakes. It’s not “Toomery” but Toomey. Thank you for proving my point; that you expect more from others than you do yourself.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Steph... chill man

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

I was just making a point that you misinterpreted what I said, that’s all. But then, per your instruction, I reread what I wrote and… yup, I said exactly what I thought I did. In any event, I take no offense to what you said about people like me crucifying Christ. In fact, all of us crucified Him.
And as far as naming someone who’s perfect… man that’s tough… let me see… I don’t know if he’s perfect, but he sure comes close: Barack Obama.

P.S. Barack is not a Marxist and he’s a Christian.

You still don't get it.

Steph C (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:20PM EDT (link)

Or don’t want to while you waltz all over everything anyone else says with loads of criticism. To what end? Perhaps as Doc says below? To troll?

If you’re not offended why make a point of not being offended? To make some pretense of a “high road” approach?

I am objecting to her candidacy specifically on the grounds that I don’t think she demonstrates the mere minimum qualification of being morally and intellectually fit for office.

That is the same point you made in the comment above. You didn’t spell it out as plainly but it’s the same theme throughout all your comments and the basis upon which I made my observations.

P.S. I’m not a man.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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If Barack is a "christian" it's only with a small "c".

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:26PM EDT (link)

He sat in a liberation theology church in Chicago for 20+ and couldn’t manage to figure out that they were not preaching the message of Christ, which is reconciliation to God.

I’m not going to get into a theological argument with you because this isn’t a theological forum, plus I wouldn’t waste my time given that you don’t know your a$$ from the hole in your head.

As far as O’s economic philosophy, you a case can be made that he’s a Marxist. A case can be made that he’s a Socialist. A case can be made – and was, quite well as a matter of fact – that he’s an Anti-Colonialist. What can’t be argued is that he supports or believes in any form of free market capitalism that made this country the engine of the world’s economy for 200 years and also made the US the beacon of Liberty to the world. BO and the Democratic Party (with help from some statist Republicans) have made a coordinated assault on both of those fronts.

Change

 

LOL You sure come close to being the perfect fool

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:33PM EDT (link)

I admit my error–I wanted to give you the benefit fo the doubt but you have proven yourself to be insincere. A lier engaging in a discussion about the morality of lying. How ironic.

If you believe that Barack Obama is close to being a perfect human being, you are beyond help.

The only downside to being a conservative and being a Christian is that I am compelled to give people the benefit fo the doubt. Now that there is no doubt, I can correctly characterize your writings as being of a lesser value than the result of my cat accidentally walking on my keyboard.

Res Ipsa Loquitor

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Jsobieski

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

Surely, surely you didn’t take my comment that BHO was the closest human to perfection at face value? Please tell me my occasional attempts at humor are not so hit and miss.
Since you are a Christian, let me ask you this. When you’re in heaven and, by coincidence, you run into Barack H. Obama, what are you going to do? Are you going to be like that guy in the Got Milk commercial where upon death he wakes up in a room full of chocolate chip cookies, but then opens up the fridge to discover empty milk cartons? Only to cryptically ask, “Wait… where am I?”

Your humor is all miss and no hit, Bill Maher is that you?

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 10:03PM EDT (link)

Frankly your comments are all over the map. The only consistency is that you are all hat, and no cattle.

I for one don’t care, and don’t put a lot of value in anything you say at this point. You are a fraud, and we both know it.

Are you going to be the guy on Happy Days who performs a water ski jump over shark? Yup, except you were never cool and you already landed.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

yeah, we figured out he was a troll last night, and called for a moderator

Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:39AM EDT (link)

I guess they would rather he mess the site up a while longer.

Molon Labe!

 
 

Four day wonder... no surprise.

acat (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:18AM EDT (link)

Look, this is simple. The written word does not convey snark or sarcasm well. If you’re being a snark, ya gotta flag your snark.

The primary is over.
The policy is that after the primary, the in-fighting stops.
Get with the program or find another site. DailyKos is over there…

Mew

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self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

With respect to O'Donnell's "character"...

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 3:25PM EDT (link)

I’ll take a former witch (even though she wasn’t one), or even a current witch with personal financial problems who lies about her degrees over a bearded Marxist of any variety any day.

I’d likely vote for a child molester before a Democrat. Except, as Obama has proven, the high profile child molesters – or at least their enablers – are welcome in the Democratic party and his administration.

Change

 

We really don't need losers like you

Tbone (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:07PM EDT (link)

telling us they won’t vote for Republicans. Go away, you have zero value to us.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

My primary objection has to do with character.

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:12PM EDT (link)

Like democrats have any character or ethics….

You can look at anyone and they will have character flaws.
What matters for a politician is what they will do once in office.

You have a choice.

O’Donnell will uphold Constitutional Values.

Chis Coons will hold Obama’s rubber stamp.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 
 

Hey Sparky! Either say something positive about *our* nominees,

eburke (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:07PM EDT (link)

or say nothing at all if you can’t do that, or go somewhere else to post.

Those are your 3 choices.

Period.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 

Tell ya what, aurelv...

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:39PM EDT (link)

You get enough votes to allow your candidates to win, and we’ll care. The Tea Party folks (who, to be honest, don’t excite me too much) have as much right to pimp their candidates and their philosophy as anyone else. The “purge” is happening because the voters are speaking, not because of some insidious plot to get rid of moderates.

Doc Holliday called it…it’s all about the ballot box. Find moderates to vote, and you’ll get moderates elected. But in the mean time, we’ll elect candidates with actual values, not those who turn with the winds of the mood of the day.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

Boy,a lot of hyperbole here from a "Moderate".

conservativecurmudgeon (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:49AM EDT (link)

“Platatidudinzed external menace” doesn’t pass the smell test, let alone a spell-checker.

The fact is this: Moderate and Liberal Republicans are by definition unprincipled. To test this law: Name one principle of a “Liberal Republican”.

I think the main point of divergence at which some luke-warm Republicans get the heebee-geebees is when the talk moves from the strictly political to the generally moral. This is why someone claiming “moderate” republicanism would have an itchy response to an O’Donnell, who is a full-throated follower of Jesus Christ.

Of course, they try to cloak it whatever means are at their disposal, but, this is the tap-root of most of their disagreement.

conservativecurmudgeon...

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 7:04PM EDT (link)

“‘Platatidudinzed external menace” doesn’t pass the smell test, let alone a spell-checker’” Yes, I wholeheartedly agree. Spelling it like that would not, in fact, pass a spell-checker.

And not content with your misdirected opening salvo, you further upstage yourself by suggesting that my “itchy response” to O’Donnell has something to do with Jesus Christ. By all means, sir, please expound on this…. unless of course you were just using hyperbole.

 
 

Public Service Announcement: "A RINO's Manifesto" coming soon...

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 11:07PM EDT (link)

First off, let me say I’ve greatly enjoyed the back and forth banter with some of you. There are some intelligent, thoughtful people on here who are committed conservatives and I’ve enjoyed reading your replies. Others of you, while subpar in intellect, make up for it in passion. Nothing wrong with that.

However, I’ve realized over the course of the last couple of years that many of my views are starting to fall out of favor with a growing number of “true” conservatives. I am beginning to understand, however begrudgingly, that the Republican Party is not big enough to accomodate these political and philosophical fissures. For the betterment of the conservative cause, there needs to be a rupture – except I have no intention of leaving the Republican Party.

Many of you in your postings have said, “it is time to purge these RINO’s once and for all”. But I am throwing down the gauntlet and I am letting some of you “true conservatives” – and you know who you are – know that it is you who needs to find another party.

However, it is disrespectful to the person who wrote this diary posting – Vassar – to have this discussion here. Therefore I will write my own diary entry, “A RINO’s Manifesto”, which will expound on my sincere belief that only a moderate form of conservatism – purged of both atheist Ayn Randism and religious superstition – can flourish electorally. I’m coming, ladies and gentlemen, and HELL IS COMING WITH ME… along with it’s sidekicks Logic and Reason. Long live the Enlightenment!

I will look foward to it (nt)

SteveLA (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 11:39PM EDT (link)

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

 
 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, October 16th at 12:49AM EDT (link)

No really, shoo.

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

who cares about Vitter

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 12:57AM EDT (link)

what you are saying is you do not belong here. Forget some of O’donnell’s strange ideas, they can’t go anywhere in the Senate anyway. You think there will be a law against masturbation that the president will sign?

You say you can’t vote for O’donnell, but can you vote for a marxist? Can you vote for someone who wants to take life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness away from the masses? Let me let you in on something, we are not going to give that up, even if there is a vote on that. You find O’donnell anathema, but she is saying she supports our Constitution. You imply you will sit this out at least and help a marxist gain control and help Obama warp our nation.

I say to you, explain yourself of begone. Conservatives of all stripes agree on supporting the Constitution. The Democrat left is trying to destroy a nation that has taken well over 200 years to build. I don’t want to hear you are above supporting O’donnell because you are a “moderate”. You better find a few things you are not moderate on and explain them to us, if not we will assume you are a troll trying to dampen our spirits. The primary is over, the gun grabbing statist Castle lost fair and square. Either you side with the Marxists or you side with us, which one is it?

Molon Labe!

Well, see here, Doc, moderates are just so much more

eburke (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:12PM EDT (link)

intelligent, sophisticated and nuanced than are we average, ordinary, run-of-the-mill, manure between the toes, one-toothed Constitution-adhering to Conservatives.

Now, if you would please just move to the back of the bus where you belong, said geniuses can get on with the process of allowing the Left to continue to bankrupt and enslave the country because *your* candidates aren’t perfect.

Please don’t make me explain this to you again, ‘k?

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 

Not likely

expatuae (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 1:45AM EDT (link)

I”m just hoping she doesn’t destroy Pat Toomey and the 5 Republican house pick-ups in the same Phila/NJ media market. He’s up by 7, but I bet he drops to 2-3 soon and wins by less than 3.

At the very least, she drives strong turn-out by the opposition in PA. Worst case, you refocus multiple races discussion on fringe issues guaranteed to only lose votes. This message which is long on social conservatism and short on personal and economic freedom plays very poorly in the formerly Republican Philly suburbs that will decide the PA Senate race. It plays poorly in a lot of places outside of Red State.

I really don’t get the obsession here- though I understand the happieness of dispatching Castle. I don’t judge her for what she idd in her 20′s- i certainly did worse. But do we really want O’donnell on national news talking about masturbation and witchcraft (as she will be forced to by any anchor looking for sensationalist ratings)?

There are better spokesmen for conservatism. It’s almost like we are trying to turn victory into a loss.

I hope I’m wrong and i’ll eat crow when she is Senator O’Donnell.

Get new friends nt

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 3:36AM EDT (link)

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

The comment below was misdirected, my apologies

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 3:45AM EDT (link)

although you do kind of write like the other person does . . .

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

I could spend 10 minutes deconstructing the ridiculousness of your post

eburke (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:16PM EDT (link)

or I can just use the time for more productive efforts while reminding/telling you that jic you missed it, the primary is over.

Either support the candidate in words in deeds, or shut up and go talk about other issues and candidates.

Or, you can risk chewing on a blam stick long before you ever get the chance to chew on crow.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 

The lack of class

georgeinla (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 2:23AM EDT (link)

shown by these RINO’s when they lose pretty much tells me all that I need to know about them. In 2012, they should all be made to sign pledges not to pull one of these stunts if they lose in the primary, not that that really helped with Murkowski.

Hi. I am a moby Greenie lawyer from Los Angeles who was not nearly smart enough to hide my tracks. Please assess my opinions accordingly.

 

My credentials... and why I think we should embrace elitists

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 3:13AM EDT (link)

So English is my second language and all, but please explain to me what you mean by “Marxist”? I grew up in Eastern Europe, under actual communism no less, and what’s left of the communist party today doesn’t even consider itself Marxist anymore. They view it as an anachronism. Heck, you have a socialist government in Greece privatizing the health care system, raising the retirement age, and cutting public-sector pay.
Therefore, I almost – almost – get the sense that calling someone a “Marxist” is the equivalent of the left during the Bush administration calling everyone on the right “Nazi”. To paraphrase Jonah Goldberg, the term simply meant anything undesirable, shorn of any real meaning. But I digress.
So before I get kicked off the site, allow me the opportunity to present my conservative credentials:
Big fan of Adam Smith, but especially of the book “Theory of Moral Sentiments”. Never actually read “Wealth of Nations” but P.J. O’Rourke swears by it. Friedrich Hayek is also a favorite, although he did not like referring to himself as a “conservative”. Love reading historians Will Durant and Paul Johnson. Let’s see what else… ah, my ideal candidates for the 2012 Republican nomination are Mitch Daniels or (darkhorse) Jon Huntsman.
Economically, I am of the Austrian-school and share in the movement’s skepticism of the long-term benefits of short-term Keynesian stimulus (tax cuts, government spending) to achieve full employment. This is especially true if the government has a high debt-to-GDP ratio… like Japan. So, naturally, I find Paul Krugman’s views anathema.
The reason I call myself a “moderate” is that I don’t believe Obama is a Marxist. I’ll go even so for as to say that I don’t believe he’s even a socialist. I could list the very many reasons why I believe this way, but I doubt anyone cares. And, furthermore, per Edmund Burke, I am also skeptical of ideology and, especially, of utopianism and transformative government… some might even call it “compassionate conservatism”.
But if I must get kicked off the site, I might as well go out with a bang. So, no, I still would not vote for O’Donnell. But, let me leave you with this: Angela Merkel, chancellor of Germany, is an accomplished physicist who is an intelligent and well informed woman. An elitist, yes. But, during the financial crisis when everyone else was high on bailouts, she was the only world leader to stand her ground and refrain from expansive fiscal policy. Why? Character and intelligence. We can also talk about Margaret Thatcher, another scientist and elitist, who nevertheless so thoroughly changed the trajectory of her country – again character, intelligence, etc – that even Christopher Hitchens admires her accomplishments. Not only that, but she held meetings with Friederich Hayek to discuss economic policy.
So, is it too much to ask for higher standards from our own candidates? This is America… the greatest country on earth. We have 300 million people. We can find numerous candidates on an intellectual par with a Merkel or a Thatcher. Who cares if they are elitists? What, you think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, etc were “common folk”? More than anything, I’m just tired of having to do facepalms every time my Lib friends send me YouTube clips of something some of our rather brainless candidates – who shall remain nameless – said on some interview.

Get new friends, oh and stop trolling

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 3:43AM EDT (link)

The country is going down the drain and you are complaining about friends sending you YouTube clips? And you say you come from Eastern Europe? Well thats where I am from as well, and I never met anyone as thin skinned as you before.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

get better friends, the libs in this nation have no political integrity at all

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:35AM EDT (link)

they never call out their own people they just ignore the abuse with the help of the MSM. The left in this nation has been preaching the same solutions for decades, but those solutions never work. People are too stupid, or too brainwashed, or too clueless of history to see this.

the libs have been “figthing for the poor” for so long, but have they made the poor better off? The left judges compassion by how many people receive welfare, the right judges compassion by how few people need welfare.

O’donnell is the winner of the Republican primary in Delaware. If you don’t support her, whom do you support? Do you support a marxist Democrat? And I don’t care about your credentials, we Americans know what the left would do if they had free reign. They would treat us as a group based on skin color, job status, or sexual orientation. The true meaning of Marxism is that the individual has no worth, other than being part of a collective. That is exactly what the left in this nation believes. They only see two groups. The evil capitalists and the put upon proletariat. It does not matter that their ideas have failed over and over, they just keep pushing them.

Molon Labe!

And under obama, the poor are now 1/7 of the US instead of 1/10

renny (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 11:49AM EDT (link)

I suppose they needed more to help.

I also do not understand how O’Donnell’s win in DE could possible drain votes from Toomey in PA. People west of the Valley Forge do not even know where DE is. Or care.

 
 

So far off base, my Balkan friend

calgacus (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 10:00AM EDT (link)

(1) Angela Merkel stinks. She betrayed her country dumping hundreds of billions to rioting Greeks. She will pay when the elections come.

(2) I, for one am an elitist. What I oppose is our current elites and “intellectuals”, not because they are elites, but because of their ideology. If you want to understand better, you must read the book “The Managerial Revolution” written in 1941 by the brilliant James Burnham.

(3) I do not think O’Donnell has terrible character. At least, not any worse than most in D.C.

(4) If you want to see a true boob running for Senate, look at Alvin Greene.

(5) Adam Smith believed in the labor theory of value. That is incompatible w/ Austrian economics.

(6) America will never admit it’s a socialist country no matter what. That is because we keep re-defining what is Socialism. The Labour Party in Britian fully admits to being Socialist. What’s the difference between Gordon Brown and Obama?

(7) Out of curiosity are you a Serb, Bosnian, Croat, Slovene, or Albanian?

(8) Intelligence is much more important for Preisdent than Senator. We can afford to have a few mediocrities in the Senate. Except for leadership, all they really do is vote.

Calgacus...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 2:50PM EDT (link)

I won’t address all your points, but here are some of my replies:

1) Angela Merkel helped out the Greeks only because German banks were exposed to hundreds of billons of Euros in loans to Greece and Eastern Europe. The economists in Europe feared that a Greek collapse would trigger another wave of financial panic in Eastern Europe and in the Baltics. The genesis of this was Eastern Europeans taking out loans in Euros from Western banks, with the idea that the national currency would appreciate against the Euro thereby making the loan cheaper over the long term. For some reason, no one put any thought into the possibility that the Euro might appreciate against the local currency. Ooops. In any event, given the circumstances and the fact that Merkel stood up to Obama regarding fiscal policy, I would very much disagree with your assertion that she stinks. But reasonable people can disagree.

4) Agree. Although his fiscal platform of stimulating the economy by way of creating tiny Alvin Greene action figures is, at the very least, creative.

6) The Labor Party, like the Socialist Party in France and Social Democrats in Germany have moved considerably to the right since the 1950s. The leftist parties, in essence, made their peace with capitalism a long time ago. They no longer support price and wage controls, nationalization of industry, etc. In fact, France deregulated considerably under Francois Mitterand and then under Prime Minister Lionel Jospin… both Socialists… and the front-runner for the presidency in France is Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a socialist who heads up the IMF. He doesn’t exactly sing the praises of Marxist economics. So, again, you are right to say that socialism keeps being re-defined. As far as the difference between Gordon Brown and Barack Obama, Brown was much more of a economic statist. A more apt comparison would be between Barack Obama and David Cameron, both of whom are probably very close ideologically.

7) I’m not from the former Yugoslavia (you forgot Kosovo and Montenegro) or Albania. And speaking of Kosovo, I still don’t understand why Clinton bombed Serbia back in ’99, but that’s a topic for another day.

Mitterrand

cordpt Sunday, September 19th at 7:37PM EDT (link)

Yeah, he deregulated considerably… because he was forced to after ruining France with his first 2 years of far-left economic policies (including nationalizations, price-controls and all that jazz).

Your argument of comparing Obama vis a vis European leaders is nonsensical. I have no doubts whatsoever that Obama is way, way to the left of David Cameron, that he’d vote Labour if he could. But none of those guys are 14th century kings, so they’re somewhat restricted on how much, on the extent, of the reforms they want to implement. For example, Obama wanted and still wants a single-player Federal Health Care System, he just needs to get there step by step and that’s what he’s trying to do.

The fact that Cameron will struggle so much to move UK just a little bit out of statism and economic ruin is in fact a great evidence on how it’s so important to stop Obama as soon as possible.

cordpt....

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 8:14PM EDT (link)

“Obama is way, way to the left of David Cameron.” Perhaps, although I can’t think of a major policy that Cameron is to the right of Obama. Cameron raised the top-income tax bracket from 40 to 50 per cent. He is a firm proponent of the National Health Service. He’s cutting defense spending. Granted, this is pretty much the prescription across-the-board in Europe, independent of which party is in power.
That said, Obama’s deficit commission will pretty much recommend the same thing: Spending cuts and tax increases. You had Alan Greenspan come out yesterday and vouch for the necessity of tax increases. This is the beginning of right-leaning economists giving cover to Republicans to vote for some type of “revenue enhancing” scheme, and they will do so independently of how well they do this election. Obviously, this will tick off both the Keynesians on the left and the Supply-Siders on the right.
Again, you probably are right that Obama is to the left of Cameron. It’s hard to discern, so far, from any policy proposal of where they actually differ. In addition, it must be said that Obama’s primary economic advisors are all considered by many on the right to be middle of the road economists – Goolsbee, Geithner, Volcker and Summers.

 
 
 

5 to all of your points nt

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:51PM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Smith and Austrians

cordpt Sunday, September 19th at 7:28PM EDT (link)

True, but that shouldn’t prevent someone to esteem both Adam Smith and Hayek (or other Austrian economists). In fact, Hayek himself was a fan of Adam Smith, check his “Individualism: True and False”.

Rothbard hated Adam Smith with a passion, but not exactly due to the labor theory value. Rothbard was crazy anyway.

 
 

Thatcher

cordpt Sunday, September 19th at 7:23PM EDT (link)

Few politicians suffered so much hostility from the intellectual class as Thatcher.

Academics, elites from the showbiz world, those in the broadcasting media… they hated Thatcher. The elites treated her with condescension and then with pure hatred. There was a strong prejudice of class against Thatcher as well. She was the “graucer’s daughter” (this was meant as an insult) and she had a world-view very different from their, that self-indulgent “intellectual/elite” class.

 
 

Being thin skinned is kind of a Balkan trait... so please understand

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 3:59AM EDT (link)

But I lament that my attempt at being facetious regarding the YouTube clips was interpreted as some kind of existential crisis on my part. And as far as trolling, and please forgive my ignorance, but I’m assuming that it refers to me being some kind of fake conservative. I’m new to political blogs so I’m not caught up on the terminology.
We used to call those people “counter-revolutionaries” back where I’m from. The irony, of course, is that it was typically other die-hard Marxists that were oftentimes accused and convicted of this charge.

If you are serious, you need to comply with the rules

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:08AM EDT (link)

Rule #1: If you aren’t going to support the winner of a Republican primary, then don’t talk about other topics.

I wasn’t a huge fan of OD either, but if you truly are conservative then Coons should be repellent to you.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 

you seem to be trying to wow us with your eloquence and yet

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:04AM EDT (link)

you have not even mastered the Reply to This button.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

well the reply to this button is hit or miss tonight

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:19AM EDT (link)

but this guy is a troll. I used to pick them out and tell them they will be banned soon but I gave it up. I quit for personal reasons, but my trolldar was quite accurate.

Molon Labe!

 

kyle8...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 3:25PM EDT (link)

Again,
1) English is my second language
2) I’m only now learning how to navigate the labyrinth that is the political blog, so bear with me as I do not know all the proper procedures. I will get better at this.

That's good because I'm pretty sure you can't get any worse. -nt-

eburke (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:18PM EDT (link)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 
 

Dobre din.

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 4:48PM EDT (link)

Bulgarski? Makedonia? Rom?

Being thin skinned is not a Balkan trait, unless you are Albanian.

Rom...

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 7:18PM EDT (link)

The Serbs would disagree with you. Although, in their defense, they’ve had a rough couple of centuries.

Given their tendancy to ally themselves with the Russians

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 7:27PM EDT (link)

their rough couple of centuries was well deserved.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

The battle... "that saved Christendom."

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 8:30PM EDT (link)

So said Pope Calixtus following the Siege of Belgrade in 1456 by the Ottoman Turks. J.R.R. Tolkein immortalized “The White City” as a reference in some book he wrote about a magical ring.

But if you find ancient history boring, stupid and irrelevant like I do, allow me to offer up a more contemporary affair: Naturally, I speak of “Wild” Bill Donovan’s exploits in Yugoslavia, at the direction of Winston Churchill and FDR, prior to the onset of Operation Barbarrosa. At the last second, Hitler was goaded into bombing Yugoslavia, providing a critical diversion that some historians consider pivotal in the Nazi’s ultimate defeat in Russia.

So allow me to make the case – however implausible you may find it – that those stupid Serbs you speak of may have stood in the way of you ultimately praying to Allah in German.

First, where did I say "stupid" Serbs? Once again, you put words in my mouth, and then base your arguments from there.

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 8:40PM EDT (link)

Second, the definition of “couple” as in “couple” of centuries means between 2 or maybe as many as 3. The word “couple” does not mean 5, so going back to 1456 is outside the zone of what I said.

Third, JSobieski saved Western civilization in the Battle of Vienna. The idea that I find ancient history stupid is foolish given my pen name.

Fourth, how does anything involving the Nazis disprove that the Serbs for the last “couple of centuries” hitched their wagons to the Russians, who as a general matter were the aggressors in virtually every war that they fought. Stalin started WWII just as much as Hitler did, by agreeing to attack Poland together.

Fifth, never said the Serbs didn’t contribute at all to the history of the world. The Russians have made contributions as well, but the positives are outweighed by the negatives in the last “couple of centuries”

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Jsobieski

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 9:38PM EDT (link)

I could of course point out that the “battle that saved Christendom” was merely a direct quote that from some pope. I could also point out that your comment regarding the Russians, “…who as a general matter were the aggressors in virtually every war that they fought” must necessarily consider the Mongol invasions, Ottoman incursions, Napoleonic wars and the Nazi’s as historical exceptions proving the rule. But I’ll let the Russo-philes on RedState come to the defense of Russia, for history is not lost on me either. After all, the Russians – or Soviets to be precise – did occupy my country.

The USSR started WWII as an ally of Nazi Germany

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 9:44PM EDT (link)

When was the last Ottoman incursion?
The Napoleonic wars occurred in which century again?

So defend the Russians if you wish, its self-evident even today that Russia threatens its neighbors and that Russia has no neighbor besides China that can threaten it

I’m sure those Georgians are just big big bullies.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Got it...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 4:22AM EDT (link)

Now apologize for calling me thin skinned.

screw you -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:01AM EDT (link)

Molon Labe!

 

LOL not going to happen

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 11:49AM EDT (link)

A person who says the following IS thin skinned:

“I’m just tired of having to do facepalms every time my Lib friends send me YouTube clips of something some of our rather brainless candidates – who shall remain nameless – said on some interview.”

I’m tired legislators voting to erase freedom.

Look, I know you are a fraud.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 

Is there anyone on here from Delaware?

AKSteveB (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 4:25AM EDT (link)

I know I learned a lot more than the polls indicated about Rubio from visting Florida, and of course have had something of a chance to experience Alaskan races from inside rather than the lower 48. In addition to polls, it would be helpful for people close to the races to check in as often as practical, and let us know the good and the bad. At least for this year, we seem to have a better idea of how things are going to turn out than the pollster do.

Hell is other people – Sartre

 

Doc...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 5:15AM EDT (link)

Your last comment was mystifyingly incoherent, so much so that I am now wondering about whether you are, in fact, a conservative. Therefore, please provide a brief synopsis of your conservative bona-fides. For starters, please address the Laffer Curve and the tax rate at which you think revenue is maximized.

go to hell troll, calling any moderator

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:53AM EDT (link)

you think you are smart, you think you can come in here and belittle others and play your games. You think I don’t know what that is, my You are a pompous ass troll, and will be gone soon enough, punk.

Art Laffer would refer you to the low end of the Bell Curve, where you belong.

Molon Labe!

the lower left end to be precise poindexter -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:08AM EDT (link)

Molon Labe!

 

Hey Doc, if you could get off your Leftist, Marxist,

eburke (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:20PM EDT (link)

faux conservative worldview, I’d really appreciate it. It’s getting tiresome.

That is all.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 

Doc doesn't need to provide you anything...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:58AM EDT (link)

because you are so DUMB you cannot even get the “reply to” button correctly and it self identifies YOU as a liberal. It is the number one identifier here at Redstate and you FAILED! Move along little libby, move along!

 

This is America, not Checkpoint Charlie

JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:03PM EDT (link)

“Please provide a brief synopsis of your conservative bona-fides”. What kind of request is that? “Please show me your papers?”

I offer you the following suggestions that will enhance your utility with respect to Redstate and other political blog sites.

First, learn how to use the “reply to this” so that you are actually replying to the specific comment rather than the diary as a whole. It will make it far easier for people to follow what you are saying.

Second, people aren’t not asked to show their conservative bona-fides on this site. Being conservative will be self-evident by the arguments made. Name dropping certain politicians, authors, and writings is no substitute for simply making good arguments. In any case, there is no need for anyone to provide a curriculum vitae to anyone else, and there certainly isn’t a basis for anyone to demand such certification from anyone else.

For someone who claims to have several great books on the operationalization of freedom, you seem to have an overly rigid and dogmatic view of how ideas can be exchanged and arguments made. Loosen up, have some fun, respect a few guidelines (such as not trashing R candidates between the primary through the November election).

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 

lol jaded, you beat me to it

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:59AM EDT (link)

the old reply to this iq test :)

Molon Labe!

face palm, I swear I hit it

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:00AM EDT (link)

I better close out for the night.

Molon Labe!

 
 

Doc has nothing to prove.

mikerazar (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 6:27AM EDT (link)

His writing speaks (reads?) for itself.

You have nothing to prove. I can accept your description of your values as long as you remain true to them in your writing.

You can be a true conservative without believing That Obama is a Marxist. But if you believe his policies are good for America, the conservative label is false.

Most of us have a hard time understanding how a Coburn supporter can find enough flaws with Ms. O’Donnell to prefer Coons in the Senate.

As it happens, I find no character flaws worth mentioning. I was an enthusiastic supporter of her before the Primary. But if she had lost I would have swallowed hard and supported Mr. Castle over Mr. Coons. I understand that many here believe it would be worse to have a Senator Castle than a Senator Coons for a complex variety of reasons. I do not share that view, but it is a fair tactical disagreement among conservatives. Senator O’Donnell will be a valuable asset to our cause; Senator Coons would be an enemy to everything we believe in.

Do not misinterpret the anti elitism you see here as anti intellectualism. But self-proclaimed intellectuals who try to intimidate their “inferiors” and seek to rule and control all of us are anathema to RedState and to all true Americans.

The Founding Fathers were true intellectuals who respected the intelligence of a free people and understood that the difference between winning arguments by force of reason and force of arms is the difference between freedom and tyranny.

We have a nation to save, people.

no Mike, I am a PROUD anti-intellectual

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:08AM EDT (link)

Since every pernicious and loathsome idea and every disgusting gutter value in our society was introduced and championed by so called intellectuals.

Whereas the actual creation of good things, whether they be companies, technologies, good government, families, etc. seem to come from smart people who have not spent their time in elite academic institutions.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

nothing wrong with intellectuals kyle8

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:14AM EDT (link)

but I do get your point. I tend to study things for the sake of learning, I do this to a fault. I read someone recently that made a very good point on the subject. Those that are highly intelligent and “intellectual” have problems with capitalism because capitalism does not reward intelligence, or even knowledge. It only rewards those who provide a service other people want.

For example, I could wish historians were better paid, I could wish general knowledge was something people looked up to and paid for, but they don’t. My point is not that I am so smart, my point is that the smart ones are those who understand the system and fill a need.

You can be intelligent, but it is harder to be smart. The intelligent person debates the meaning of life. The smart person sells tickets to the debate.

Molon Labe!

 

Thomas Sowell is my favorite intellectual partly and precisely because he trashes intellectuals! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 8:36AM EDT (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

+1 on Sowell -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 8:40AM EDT (link)

Molon Labe!

 

Are you sure Sowell doesn't make the same distinction I tried to make in the last two paragraphs of my comment? nt

mikerazar (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 10:02AM EDT (link)

We have a nation to save, people.

 

555555, Mike

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 4:43PM EDT (link)

Funny, GC, I had that very conversation on the phone today. Seems we need to distinguish between INTELLECTUAL and intellectual, just as we have about Science and science, and love and humping in years past.

We spend so much time debating words that the Left hi-jacked years ago, and continue to do so. I’m in favor of forming a squad…

You distinguish between love and humping?

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 4:58PM EDT (link)

You Conservatives are bizarre individuals….Intellectual = Agrees w/ Repair man Jack about 98% of the time. 97% just won’t cut it. Now that we understand the *true* intellectualism. I’ll have one polish my shoes for me.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

Yes, I long ago gave up trying to rehabilitate words like "liberal" and "conservative" and just

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

try to describe bad policies as succintly as possible and to use the terms lib and conservative based on recent policies…more later

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

Yes, I long ago gave up trying to rehabilitate words like "liberal" and "conservative" and just

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 5:01PM EDT (link)

try to describe bad policies as succintly as possible and to use the terms lib and conservative based on recent policies…more later

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 

thanks mike I appreciate your support

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:08AM EDT (link)

I don’t mind debates I think I have shown that over four years at this site. This person is a troll, I promise you that. If he is serious, he is just in the wrong place. We don’t go after each other for no reason. Personally, I have lost interest in going after anyone of goodwill, life is too short for that.

Molon Labe!

 

So...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 1:48PM EDT (link)

Please show me where I’ve said Obama’s policies are good for the country. Another gem: “Most of us have a hard time understanding how a Coburn supporter can find enough flaws with Ms. O’Donnell to prefer Coons in the Senate.” Again, please show me where I’ve said that I support Coons.
I am objecting to her candidacy specifically on the grounds that I don’t think she demonstrates the mere minimum qualification of being morally and intellectually fit for office. If this was an isolated case, however, I wouldn’t care all that much. But when an Angle, a Paladino, and a Maes for example are elected on a Republican ticket – in many cases in races we should automatically win – I begin to get to question the discernment of the voters. We could have elected candidates that were equally conservative… with the added bonus of having a brain.
And all this talk about anti-elitism and anti-intellectualism is quite amusing. Some of you who are railing against “anti-intellectualism” should know, as I’m sure you’re aware, that the much hated Communists (aka Marxists) shared your distate for those odious intellectuals. Which is why they sent them to the gulags by the millions. And, ironically, it was communist propaganda that tirelessly promoted the values and the superiority of the so-called “common man” while blaming every “pernicious and loathsome idea” on the intellectuals. Some of you are in the wrong party. But, to be fair, I wonder what the Founding Fathers said about the common man? Hmmm.

you don't have a pirate name yet..

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 2:01PM EDT (link)

what gives?

 

Is Redstate for you?

txgator (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:29PM EDT (link)

I would have had a hard time voting for O’Donnell in the primary; primarily because I think it is too dangerous to have a candidate for US Senator who has not been vetted by either running for a prior high profile office or other significant exposure to critical examination by the press. However, that is no longer the issue. So we have a question to ask ourselves – Is a flawed republican candidate better than a liberal? As a community, Redstate has decided yes, if that is not something you can agree with perhaps this is not the place for you.

Just as I will take you at your word that you are a conservative, you should take Coons at his word and trust that he is a progressive. Therefore, you should not want to do anything to assist him in reaching the US Senate. Of course, that is only if you are a conservative.

 

Now hear this, aurelv...

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:46PM EDT (link)

And pay very close attention, because your existence here may depend on it.

You’ve had your say. You don’t like O’Donnell. We get it. Now be quiet about it. We are here to support the GOP nominee at this point. You had your chance to pimp for Castle. That time is gone. So either support O’Donnell or leave this thread.

(And yes, I am able to enforce my request)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Bill the enforcer...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 6:50PM EDT (link)

As the man who has the power to decide my digital “existence” on this site, please remember what grandpa said to Tobey Maguire in Spiderman – With great power comes great responsibility.
Here’s my dilemma: Some of the commentators on this site have demanded to know the specifics of my allegations regarding Ms O’Donnell. Shall I oblige or shall I remain quiet? I am fine with whatever you deem appropriate.
Furthermore, please consider some of my responses – specifically my reply to “Calgacus” – that were measured, specific and, dare I say, thoughtful. I realize that some of my writing comes across as biting and possibly irreverent, but that is merely a byproduct of my self-perceived intellectual superiority as a European. If you wish, I can change my name to “European Snob”.
Lastly, one of the commentators accused me of killing Jesus. Is Mel Gibson on RedState?

End it now.

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 7:01PM EDT (link)

Further discussion on the negatives of Christine O’Donnnell helps no one except the Democrats.

And being a smartass does nothing to improve your odds.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 
 

There's nothing wrong with intellectualism

cordpt Sunday, September 19th at 7:52PM EDT (link)

There’s a problem with self-indulgent academics and intellectuals (many of them are very far from being intellectuals) and with those who develop a blind believe in the power of ideas, those in the Ivory Tower. Popper listed Plato as the first (and most important) enemy of the open society. Was Popper an anti-intellectual?

Your allegation of anti-intellectualism comes across as an appeal to ridicule.

Especially because you (allegedly) love to read Paul Johnson. What the heck? He probably made the most comprehensive and well-known case on why intellectuals are so often dangerous to the liberties and well-being of the people. You love him so much and you’ve never read “Intellectuals”?

http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Marx-Tolstoy-Sartre-Chomsky/dp/0061253170

And if you’re European, it’d be nice of you to read Oakeshott. Especially his attack on rationalism. It also gives some insights on this issue.

Paul Johnson...

aurelv Sunday, September 19th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

Incidentally, I do have the book along with “Modern Times” and “History of the American People”. All three are excellent books. It’s not lost on me that Paul Johnson was initially a Marxist, although I would consider him to be an intellectual. Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with being an intellectual and it’s disconcerting that intellectuals on the right try to shy away from the term. It’s sort of the equivalent of candidates for officer constantly harping on voters that they are not “politicians”. Or, to take a real world example, it’s like Ashely Dupre on The View telling Barbara Walters that she is not a “prostitute” but rather an “escort”. A distinction, I’m sure, that Spitzer took into consideration.

 
 

well I guess the commies

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 7:10AM EDT (link)

were right some of the time.

Idiot.

Almost all modern intellectuals ( l don’t know if they are really intellectuals, but at least let us say academics) are Marxists.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

kyle8...

aurelv Monday, September 20th at 7:46PM EDT (link)

You seem to have an almost pathological obsession with conflating Marxism and Intellectuals. This accusation is not trivial as I’ve seen this indictment broadened – even in polite conservative circles – to the point of slandering everyone to the left of the accuser.
When words lose all meaning…

Your boy Coons is hardly an intellectual

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 7:57PM EDT (link)

Coons is a bearded marxist, but he is not an intellectual. There are obviously conservative intellectuals as well as left wing intellectuals.

But the bottom line is that you speak in favor of Coons despite the fact that he is NOT an intellectual but is a Marxist.

That makes you a supporter of non-intellectual Marxists, which is one step above child molestation.

Given that virtually everyone on this site (except for Moby’s such as yourself) think very highly of William F Buckley, Burke, Kirk, and Uncle Milt, the idea that those same people are against intellectualism is laughable.

In your mind (presuming that you argue in good faith, an assertion that I would deny), people who are supportive of WFB, Burke, Kirk, Uncle Milt, etc. somehow become “anti-intellectual” because they support a right-wing non-intellectual in DE over a left-wing non-intellectual in DE?

Conservatives make practice choices amongst non-ideal options.

You seem to have an almost pathological obsession with conflating a healthy dose of individual empowerment and skepticism for entrenched elitsts with conflating anti-leftwing intellectuals with anti intellectualism more generally. This accusation is not trivial, as you seem to repeat it numerous times even in these polite RS circles. Doing so is an attempted slander of everyone to the left of marxist intellectuals.

Leftists always do what they accuse others of doing. If you lived under communism, you know that.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 

At least in my case, I made it quite clear which intellektuals (sic) I oppose.

mikerazar (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:36PM EDT (link)

My reference to supporting Coons was simply a deduction. If you oppose O’Donnell in some ways but prefer her to Coons, you would have said so to clear up any misunderstanding.

I admire the elite in most fields, under the traditional definition. But self-proclaimed elites who believe they are entitled to special deference disgust me.

We have a nation to save, people.

 
 
 

Chris Coons Led New Castle County to Verge Of Bankruptcy

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

Chris Coons Led New Castle County to Verge Of Bankruptcy Democrat’s Claims Of “Restored Financial Health” Ring Hollow In Face Of Disastrous Record As New Castle County Executive

http://www.nrsc.org/fact-check-chris-coons-led-new-castle-county-to-verge-of-bankruptcy-democrat’s-claims-of-“restored-financial-health”-ring-hollow-in-face-of-disastrous-record-as-new-castle-county-executive

Chris Coons is desperately attempting to rewrite history and distract voters from his record of out-of-control spending and massive tax hikes as he drove New Castle County to the brink of bankruptcy,” said National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) spokesman Chris Bond. “Delaware voters deserve more than the same reckless, failed economic agenda that Coons has promised to rubberstamp in Washington, and that’s why we’re confident they will elect a fiscally responsible Republican leader to the U.S. Senate this November.”

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

No - hyphenated conservative

sundesy Sunday, September 19th at 1:40PM EDT (link)

The big difference between the new breed of conservatives and old the relics is that the new breed are not afraid to talk about the so called “social conservative” issues. More importantly they are framing the issue so that most Americans see the hypocrisy in the liberal position.

Abortion : Call it for what it is. It is noting but killing of innocent human life. Since 5 judges decided it is legal to kill innocent human lives, more than 50 millions have been killed. One of the tenet of liberal arguments is that why should the victim of rape and incest have to be punished. Common sense tells that significant majority of the elective abortion is performed as a way out from dealing with the consequences of feminist advocated free sex life style. Now whose side you want to be innocent life or irresponsible person. Intuitively Americans will not be sympathetic to the irresponsible behavior.

Religion: For liberals Christianity is piñata. It is a free for all and they can go any length to insult the sentiments of the majority of Americans and decent people. When it comes to Muslims they seem to have infinite elasticity to bend over backwards. Not only they demonstrate hypocrisy they cowards who can be easily scared.

Gay Marriage: The selective hysteria by MSM when the position of Palin and Obama is essentially the same. Most Americans are sympathetic to the personal choice aspect on this matter. But time and again the notion that gay marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage is not acceptable to Americans.

By having the courage to speak on the ills that liberals have caused to blacks and women, the current generations of conservatives are making the difference. Maybe the first hand experiences that they have had, the emerging conservative blacks and women leaders seem to articulate the virtues of conservatism better.

Conservatives do not have to shy away from confronting all issues. When it is spoken properly with conviction and framed correctly for what it is; not using the MSM lingo, it will resonate with the Americans.

After all Americans are not nihilistic enough to destroy themselves by blindly following liberal philosophy.

This is about Them, not Us, but well stated, Sundesy

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Sunday, September 19th at 5:07PM EDT (link)

Thanks for the contribution.
VB

 

Yes, you are correct

rascott Monday, September 20th at 12:31AM EDT (link)

and that’s why the “modern conservatives” have scared the living crap out of economically conservative independents in this country. Keep drinking the Kool-aid though. 2004 was the high-water mark for social conservatism in American politics for at least a generation.

You have not kept up with

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:47AM EDT (link)

much of the election news lately have you? If you had, you would not have made such an error filled comment.

I would suggest you stop sipping the red stuff in your own cup first before you give that advice to others.

 

You seem to be obsessed with social conservatives, Rascot

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 6:45AM EDT (link)

Afraid of that final judgment, eh?

That’s not my call, nor is it any other social conservative, either. But from fear alone you all seem to be self-destructing. I’d offer you help out of this conundrum without once calling on God, or praying, or even mentioning dead babies.

But I honestly believe you’d rather self-destruct. The penultimate teat fit…just like Mike Castle.

 

who are these economically conservative independents?

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 7:05AM EDT (link)

that you speak of? Because Really, I don’t see them. I am a right leaning libertarian who is pro-life, sort of like Ron Paul, but not as radical. So I would be the kind of person you are describing. But I don’t see a lot of difference between me and the more socially conservative on this site, we both want drastically smaller government and a return to federalism.

But really, I have not met many people who disliked social conservatives but were also fiscally conservative. In congress there is no such animal. Now, there are many who CLAIM to be, but when push comes to shove they always end up voting for big government spending programs as well.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Nicely put, Kyle8.

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 3:41PM EDT (link)

You’ve hit the core of the problem. Wonder if we can fix it?

agreed '8 and VB and I think the coalition of which you write is already detroyed

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 3:55PM EDT (link)

in terms of being a majority. The real “split” is the one that has reduced the size of the Dem Party and marginalized the ruling class Repubs.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 
 

I don't care what the MSM says

megh83 Sunday, September 19th at 9:14PM EDT (link)

I really think O’Donnell will win and when she does, it’s going to freak DC out. There will finally be people in the Senate that will speak for Middle America and not a handful of special interest groups. Watching MSNBC is going to be hilarious on election night.!

 

the comments here

rascott Monday, September 20th at 12:28AM EDT (link)

and on the rest of this site are just scary. If this is a representation of the modern GOP, its no wonder the party’s approval rating is lower than the Dems and that they continue to have trouble acheiving and maintaining majorities in Congress.

you're less than brilliant...

speciallist (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:43AM EDT (link)

do you come here often?

 

Care to expand on your comment here

PowerToThePeople (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:44AM EDT (link)

and lets us all know what comments you find scary to the point you feel it will cause us not to win and hold on to that win?

Hate to draw a conclusion on what you meant without a better explanation.

 

It's a scary world, rascott.

acat (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:51AM EDT (link)

Wishing you’d taken the blue pill, are you?

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

he probably meant to say that..

speciallist (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 12:56AM EDT (link)

in front of a mirror….lol

 
 

Although it is hard to be 100%, you have nonetheless achieved that difficult objective

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:01AM EDT (link)

“and on the rest of this site are just scary.”

Scary to whom? Democrats?

“If this is a representation of the modern GOP, its no wonder the party’s approval rating is lower than the Dems”

Uh, generic R favorability in contrast to D favorability have never been higher since they started polling it.

“and that they continue to have trouble acheiving and maintaining majorities in Congress.”

Since 1994, Republicans have done pretty well electorally. The D’s have controlled both houses in DC only 4 of the years since 1994. The trend will continue to improve when more principled (you would call them scary) Republicans are elected.

Your lack of logic, coherent argument, ability to cite facts is a bit scary, and sad. I shall nonetheless find some way to carry on through it all . . .

If you are still scared. maybe your mommy will give you an extra blanket and a teddy bear . . . maybe even a nite-light?

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

100% wrong that is LOL nt

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 1:02AM EDT (link)

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

 
 
 

New Chris Coon TV Ad attacking O'Donnell

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 4:12PM EDT (link)

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

America is right this minute in the tightening grip of "liberation theology" -- exactly the philosophy that Delaware's Chris Coons was so anxious to go to Africa and serve as a volunteer

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, September 20th at 4:50PM EDT (link)

Chris Coons: Volunteer for Liberation Theology

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/20/chris-coons-volunteer-for-libe/

The Republican Establishment and the Left having now made O’Donnell’s actions in her twenties an issue, the question comes round.

What was Chris Coons doing in his twenties?

Answer?

He was in Africa volunteering for the South African Council of Churches, a group that holds to the self-same Black Liberation Theology philosophy preached by James Cone and Jeremiah Wright. The philosophy that has at its core the principles of “Marxism dressed up as Christianity.” The philosophy that is at the very heart of the Obama administration and its actions since taking office two years ago.

The philosophy that Coons will undoubtedly all-too-eagerly represent if he is elected as an Obama Democrat to the seat once held by Obama Vice President Joe Biden of Delaware.

The American people are on to this game now. They get it to the max. Chris Coons wants to be the newest addition to the liberation theology zealotry in Washington — and the people of Delaware are supposed to be the passive yokels who agree to put him there. Even as they are losing their jobs, their homes and their entire hard won way of life because of the very philosophy Coons traveled thousands of miles to Africa to support.

Which is why Delaware Republicans, in a stunning doubling of turnout that no one predicted, just nominated Christine O’Donnell.
In a landslide.

Hello? Karl Rove? Republican Ruling Class?

Earth to Mars….

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged