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Energy, Cap and Trade: Dem Leaders’ Pretzel Logic on Display

Introducing: Cap and Tax and Tax and Tax. Plus more regulation.

An article in the Oil and Gas Journal reveals the thinking processes of some of our leaders on Capitol Hill. And it’s not a pretty sight.

Speaking at a forum on energy and climate policy co-sponsored by Newsweek magazine and the American Petroleum Institute, Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA), Chair of the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment, and co-author of the Waxman-Markey Cap and Trade Bill said:

“The measure is analogous to what we did in telecommunications,” Markey said, noting that Congress passed bills in 1992, 1993, and 1996 that launched, respectively, the modern cable, wireless, and broadband systems while creating 2 million new jobs. … Emerging energy technologies could lead to a $2 trillion domestic industry if the US decided to actively support them, Markey said.

Well, no, not really, Ed.

The important difference being that cable, wireless, and broadband were existing technologies that were economic without infusions of massive amounts of government cash. There was a market, and people were willing to pay for the service. Once these technologies became deregulated, we stepped back and let the free market sort out the winners and the losers.

On South Dakota Sen. Byron Dorgan (D):

The US Department of Energy has what effectively is the largest energy venture capital resource in history with federal economic stimulus funds it received to support new technology research and development, according to Dorgan. “I think there are unbelievably exciting things going on that we don’t fully understand yet, but that will help us a lot,” he said.

Oh, my gosh. Hold on to your wallets. “Unbelievably exciting things … that we don’t fully understand yet”? Like Econ 101?

Some common sense from Dorgan:

… Dorgan also questioned the heavy reliance on a carbon cap-and-trade program in the measures which have moved forward. “I’m not sure I’m comfortable with simply handing a new $1 trillion commodities market to Wall Street on Monday and hoping it will responsibly establish a price by Thursday,” he said.

But, wait, said Billy Mays, there’s more:

“There are more direct ways for government to reduce emissions such as a carbon tax and command-and-control measures.

OK, I see. I thought it was sounding too good to be true.

Surely Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) has a little sense:

[Bingaman] said that he has supported a cap-and-trade approach for some time, but added that carbon taxes, direct regulation, sector-specific approaches, and technological innovations may achieve the same results.

“It’s important to note that these policies are not mutually exclusive,” he continued. “In fact, it will more than likely be necessary to rely on a suite of these policies to ensure that we are effective in addressing global warming.”

So what you’re saying, Senator, is that we may need taxes and more regulation on top of Cap and Trade to stop ManBearPig?

Congressional Democrats are pretty upfront about it. They don’t trust what they don’t understand; unfortunately, what they don’t understand is free market economics. What they do understand is expanded government control and higher taxes.

COMMENTS

  • Old_Crow

    is that they have minimal experience in the private sector and basic market economics. This used to be more common among Democrats but now we have plenty of so-called professional Republican politicians with no military or private business experience.

    Note that Obama is now attending the Nopenhagen climate talks at the end vice beginning, perhaps he sees that this will be the one chance to commit the US to billions of dollars in the fraudulent climate change nonsense.

    I’m sure he wants to act fast, will Congress even debate this constitutional abuse of power.

  • Veronica Estrada

    Obviously, trillion is the new buzz word in the lexicon of the bulbous-nosed (or leathery and tight-skinned “gracefully” aged) politician — and we’re being conditioned for its use — but where do they get this $2 Trillion “industry” figure?

    Green techology?? For what?? My family doesn’t fit into minicar running on batteries!! Gotta be socks.

    Someone walked into an REI, checked out the price tag of a pair of $25 “green and organic!” socks and figured taxpayers will be willing to pay.

    But wiith the lull in consumer spending .. and Climategate and poor Gore having his Oscar being thrown in a firey sort of “Pit of Despair” for smelting (his Oscar is worth something) .. yes — they’re going to ram this down our throats, and quickly. Sans lube.

    I’m not too bright, but I bet this’lll be done before the 2010 elections when we can legally chase them out with brooms.

    Yes, Virginia! There really is a industry! – bs.

    Thanks for the read, I’m passing this on..

  • 10ksnooker

    of moonshine and put it in my car and get 30% less mileage than I can get from gasoline at a cost of about 2.5x gasoline … And politicians call that green jobs. Well in

    Communist countries they force workers to use shovels to build dams because it employs more people.

    The USA has the largest fossil fuel reserves in the world, according to the US Governments EIA, so why the lies about energy independence. I guess they think we forgot how to build nuclear power plants.

  • Praying

    or perhaps even dare to admit the massive, extensive, global warming fraud that has just been exposed. While many scientists (including myself) have been skeptical of this voodoo logic all along, the material brought to light in the emails that were hacked (or forwarded thanks to some repentant whistleblower?) have finally vindicated what we have thought all along. For ANY congresscritter – democrat or republican – to push forward on the massive wealth redistrubution scheme otherwise known as global warming aka Cap and Trade (I’ve always referred to it as Cap and Tax – or even Crap and Tax) is utterly indefensible. I realize that about 30% of our congress marches to the tune of the socialists/marxists, but for the love of God, can’t the rest of them put a stop to this nonsense?

  • RedBeard

    I mean, sure, socialism, communism, statism have failed everywhere they’ve been tried throughout history, but NOW we have the right people to run it, so THIS time…………. etc. etc. blah blah blah.

    Good grief.

  • Scope

    and these idiot Democrats are now going to be creating markets, and, creating jobs as their excuse for supporting this. Interesting that there was not a word uttered about saving the ppor dying planet, just as I suspected. It’s always about money, and power. This is a boon for Wall Street, and those that are still able to trade and make money. It would be interesting to see the stocks many of the Dems are invested in, I would bet they are all green stocks. I wonder how well Pelosi is doing with her investment in T Boone Pickens companies.

    • RedBeard

      Cap and Trade, Obamacare, TARP, the grotesquely misnamed “stimulus,” leftist judges, death taxes, General Motors, all part of the left’s mad grasp for power and control, with money (ours) as the engine of the government takeover.

      Some leftists are simply deluded true believers in their own mythical powers to “help” the great unwashed and helpless masses, but more are simply mean, grasping, greedy, power-mad megalomaniacs who hide their agenda behind the false mask of caring and compassion.

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