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‘Global Warming Causes Earthquakes.’ Suuuuure it does.

In a CNN commentary entitled Is the Earth Striking Back?, journalist and author Alan Weisman opines on the relationship between Anthropogenic Global Warming and a recent spate of powerful earthquakes:

As [the glaciers] flow off the land, we are warned, seas rise. Yet something else is lately worrying geologists: the likelihood that the Earth’s crust, relieved of so much formidable weight of ice borne for many thousands of years, has begun to stretch and rebound.

As it does, a volcano awakens in Iceland (with another, larger and adjacent to still-erupting Eyjafjallajokull, threatening to detonate next). The Earth shudders in Haiti. Then Chile. Then western China. Mexicali-Calexico. The Solomon Islands. Spain. New Guinea. And those are just the big ones, 6+ on the Richter scale, and just in 2010. And it’s only April.   [Emphasis mine.]

Mr. Weisman, I challenge you to name just one reputable geologist who’ll admit to that “worry”.Alan Weisman is a journalist and author of the book The World Without Us, which is fodder for a TV show of the same name on one of those “bug channels” on the cable.

recent earthquakes blamed on melting glaciers.

Yellow arrow: Iceland. Red circles: recent earthquakes blamed on melting glaciers.

First of all, the earth is big. Really, really big. The crustal plates that are being moved by the forces of plate tectonics are really big, too. The North American plate moves away from the Eurasian plate at a rate of a couple of centimeters per year. It takes an almost inconceivable amount of force acting over a really large area to move that much mass.

In scale, a glacier is not even a pimple on Mother Gaia’s backside. The Eyjafjallajokull glacier is about 8 miles E-W by 5 miles N-S.

Secondly, note that the recent earthquakes cited by Mr. Weisman are all in temperate or tropical zones. If the glaciers were directly causing disruption of the plates and plate boundaries, wouldn’t you think the earthquakes would occur first and worst near the sites of glacier loss?

Instead, the earthquakes occurred where they are supposed to occur, at plate boundaries. Most earthquakes and volcanic activity occurs at or near these plate boundaries, precisely because of the inexorable movement of the plates relative to each other, and the incredible buildup of energy at the plate margins.

Mr. Weisman’s commentary is particularly offensive because his title suggests a desire to anthropomorphize Mother Gaia while invoking unidentified geologists’ phantom-science opinions.

Bullcrap.

Oh, and one more thing: “…the Earth’s crust, relieved of so much formidable weight of ice borne for many thousands of years…” Mr. Weisman suffers, as do many scientific illiterates, that what we’ve experienced in our lifetimes is “normal”, and that any deviation from that familiar normalcy is, by definition, bad. This attitude is both ignorant and narcissistic.

However much of that “formidable weight” that you imagine to have vanished in the last 150 years, multiply it by about a billion and you’ve got an idea of what happened when the last ice age ended, rather suddenly and with no human assistance, about 13,000 years ago. That’s a blink of an eye in geologic terms. If glacial melting really did trigger earthquakes and volcanoes as you imagine, that effect would be ongoing today.

Cross-posted at VladEnBlog.

COMMENTS

  • dennism

    What about islands capsizing? Riddle me that.

    • 13Bravo

      That government scientists have discovered Guam?s fulcrum. The bad news is that now we have to convince the people of Guam to evenly distribute themselves so as to maintain a perfect balance.

      • disintelligentsia

        There’s enough good real quotes, no need to rely on false ones. You can confirm here:

        http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

        • 13Bravo

          After doing some checking I find that I cannot corroborate the authenticity of the quote and as such I will remove and eventually replace it. Thanks for the heads up.

          I will admit that at first I was annoyed at being corrected but since as I say I cannot prove the quote to be real it should be removed. It?s still annoying to be corrected especially when it turns out I was wrong. Try not to do this too often, my ego can?t take it.

          For those who may wonder about the now missing quote it is this:

          “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead.”- Adolf Hitler: 1935, Chancellor’s Speech.

    • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

      Didn’t see your comment until after my post.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx
  • reaganomics
    • Raven

      http://www.redstate.com/raven/2010/04/24/the-coming-boob-quake/

      I look forward to Monday.

      • acat

        Very glad someone else did.

        Mew

  • RedBeard

    We have dozens more wild turkeys roaming our pastures this year than in years past. I’m quite sure that this phenomenon is causing a catastrophic rise in methane and CO2, which will in turn trigger a warming effect in our swimming pool, resulting in a reduced need to run pool water through the rooftop solar heater, causing the house to become lighter and exert less pressure on the ground, allowing the earth to rise and triggering more earthquakes.

    I’m pretty sure, anyway. Lots of experts, like Charlie on the third barstool down at Ralph’s Hog Pen Saloon, say so.

    • hickorystick

      here in Seattle too RedBeard.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    Trying to convince anyone they can that every hiccup the earth makes is caused by us.

    Unfortunately, there are simple minds who will allow this picture to form in their heads and agree with it, without questioning the premise. Then they will log into Twitter and Facebook…

  • mustango

    Whale poo, our best weapon for fighting climate change:

    http://www.physorg.com/news191218373.html

    Another amazingly convenient “scientific” discovery…

    • eastbaylarry

      also makes green things grow. Maybe cows arn’t so bad afterall?

    • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir

      Do your part to fight Global Warming. Become a trainer at Sea World.

  • natalie

    … will probably be the bext “scientific” theory. Maybe they’re jealous that we have cars while they use fiery chariots harnessed to the sun.

    Reading today’s “science” headlines on just about any hot-button science topic is humorously close to reading the fanciful theories of medieval medicine, or the superstitious beliefs of tribal cultures. At least, it would be humorous if the only authorized party-line weren’t enforced in such dead seriousness. HOW do those idiots keep a straight face to repeat such trash?

    “Global Warming” my foot…. just come right out and tell us that “karma” is punishing humans for our technological progress…. or that the earth gods are shaking the tree the world is perched on in their anger. GAW is the liberal’s name for the earth gods, of course. Right all the headlines with that in mind and you’ll have a hoot with how ridiculous their “logic” is!

    • 6eorge Jetson

      Obama just needs to go on a worldwide tour apologizing to Mother Earth for the behavior of the despicable United States.

      Problem solved. So what’s the big deal?

  • janis

    The hell you say. It’s a giant turtle. I know that because the guy who leads my drum circle told me so. :-)

  • ss396

    Using Mr. Weisman’s list, and checking the USGS website (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/):

    The Earth shudders in Haiti (depth = 8 mi). Then Chile (depth = 22 mi). Then western China (depth = 11 mi). Mexicali-Calexico (depth = 6 mi). The Solomon Islands (depth = 37 mi). Spain (depth = 385 mi). New Guinea (depth = 19 mi).

    Glaciers are, what – hundreds and hundreds of feet thick. If I remember correctly, ice floats and rocks sink. That must mean that rocks are much denser than ice is. As you stated: “…not even a pimple on Mother Gaia?s backside.”

    I especially loved that line “And it’s only April.” as if earthquakes are a seasonal phenomena.

  • paramedichess

    If I remember correctly from 1st Grade science class, when ice melts, it becomes water. That water weighs EXACTLY the same amount as the water from which it came. Seriously…where do they get these idiots?

    • vettepilot

      Obama repealed the law of conservation of mass in the healthcare bill… The clear references to religion and conservatism were just too much for him to ignore… :)

      • gamechange11two

        Not only does this stress the tectonic plates, it also changes the mass of the planet and makes it smaller, and because of global warming, contrary to established physics, this will actually cause the Earth to move closer to the Sun and will cause the glaciers to melt even faster and send more ice into space even faster causing a positive feedback that makes everything happen faster and faster and it just ends badly for everyone.

        • lukematthews

          that AGW is independently, and viciously, causing crime rates to dramatically increase due to a direct correlation between leprechauns drinking Hawaiian Punch and unicorns doing the Limbo. Melting butter sculptures, from AGW, are also clogging arteries and making floors slippery. Is there no end to the terrible things man is doing to his environment?

          • gamechange11two

            I need to offer my sincere apology for getting my planetary physics wrong. I’ve been corrected. Smaller planets are naturally drawn to the Sun. That is why Mercury is closer to the Sun than Venus, and Venus is closer than Mother Earth. And don’t try to trick me with that Pluto crap. Pluto is not a planet and has its own set of rules. Any 1st grader knows that. As for Mars, the new evidence suggests that Mars is in fact larger than Earth. Dr. Gore is leading a team of planetary scientists in the quest for the correct equations regarding Mars’ seemingly anomalous behavior. It is good that Dear Leader has re-assigned resources that wold have been wasted on space travel to his important work. Dr. Gore is expected to have settled the science regarding the Martian orbit within five years. As always, his invaluable contributions to global warming continue without interruption.

          • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir

            …the temp is “several million degrees”.

            I’m serial.

          • Praying

            from giving Al “I’ve got the biggest carbon footprint in Tennessee” Gore an honorary doctorate degree in Ecology and Evolutionary Biology on May 14!! Sorta cheapens the M.S. Geology degree that I got from UT. They’ll never get another dime from me (or a lot of other alumni, from what I hear!)

          • tngal

            don’t forget he got the Nobel prize too.. The honorary degree was just another feather in his climate cap. Since he tried and failed miserably at the job of prez (thanx in no small part to his homestate) many have wondered….

            does he request canonization before he succombs and be named a saint..or just go straight to secretary of the commonwealth of the earth.

            And – you’re not the only one not giving to UT . Remember some donors are still miffed over the Lane Kiffen catastrophe,

    • http://www.ancientsuns.com/fwd/mia/ lone77star

      Yes, water weighs the same in any of its three states — solid, liquid or gas. But is it necessarily located in the same place? If a ton of ice were on your head, would it give you more of a headache than that same ton as water runoff, way out in the ocean? Elementary, my dear Watson. Re-distribution of tons can feel a bit different, even to Mother Gaia (calling our planet, “dirt,” seems… well, dirty).

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    n/t

    • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

      Farting cows, that is.

  • DRayRaven

    I can imagine an upcoming episode of Jeopardy.

    Contestant: I’ll take Global Disasters for $200, Alex.

    Alex: This causes heat waves.
    Contestant: What is Global Warming?
    Alex: Correct!

    Contestant: Global Disasters for $400
    Alex: This causes snow storms.
    Contestant: What is Global Warming?
    Alex: Correct! The board is still yours.

    Contestant: I’ll take Global Warming for $600.
    Alex: This causes hurricanes.
    Contestant: What is Global Warming?
    Alex: You got it!

    Contestant: I’ll take Global Warming for $800.
    Alex: This causes pandemic diseases.
    Contestant: What is Global Warming?
    Alex: You’re on a roll!

    Contestant: Let’s finish up the category. Global Warming for $1000.
    Alex: This causes earth quakes.
    Contestant: What is Global Warming?
    Alex: Right! You’ve swept the category!

    It’s ridiculous, but the Warmers blame EVERYTHING on global warming. If someone picks their nose, it’s because of the dry air caused by….global warming!!!

  • http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

    .

  • throwback59

    that the Global Warming nuts must be frustrated that they can’t blame it on Climate Change i.e. Man. Guess I was wrong.

    I may be missing something here but the statement that less ice means less weight on the crust, doesn’t take into account that when ice melts it become water. The ice doesn’t evaporate and the earth isn’t losing weight.

  • redsoilman

    There is no statistical evidence for a recent increase in earthquake frequency or intensity. We have global seismological data for decades and a considerable amount of evidence in the rock record that allows us to estimate earthquake frequency back much further. When one looks at the data they show all sorts of wiggles and bumps, but no discernible trend up or down. Earthquakes happen. They are an inevitable consequence of the movement of Earth’s tectonic plates. That will never change.

    What has changed recently is that the press has covered earthquakes that they would have ignored 5 years ago. Of course, I am sure algore could see a trend in earthquake activity, if he passed the data through Michael Mann’s hockey stick algorithm. Then again, with the hockey stick I could probably prove the average body temperature of humans in America has increased by 5 degrees in the past century using all the measurements taken in doctors’ offices during that time.

    The recent apparent increase in earthquake activity is very similar to the dramatic increase in all sorts of ailments in the past several decades. That is, what has increased is our awareness of them, not their actual occurrence rate. Of course, for those who believe that perception and reality are one and the same, my comments merely prove their point.

  • Adjoran

    Um, well, he has none. His degrees are in literature.

    There’s no evidence he ever took geology at all – and strong anecdotal evidence he did not, given his theory elucidated in the article, which even a precocious child would find laughable.

    Understandable, though. In order to be a leftist, one must suspend disbelief, and accept things which cannot be true, have never been true, and in many cases have been repeatedly demonstrated to be untrue. Virtually all of leftist dogma is tied together with false premises.

    It comes as no surprise when a leftist invents some ridiculous howler of a theory like this. It fits into his world view, so to him it must be true. Little details like actual science are the realm of eeeeevil skeptics . . .

    • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir

      Mr. Weisman probably took a similar course of study, if he took science at all.

      Or else he was stoned to the gills through his science classes.

    • Praying

      He barely passed the two science courses he took as an undergraduate!

  • lukematthews

    This is truly hilarious. But, I’m sure there are wingnuts out there who will buy this stuff. Last year, I was looking at some blogposts on HuffingPuffington Post and was amazed by this high school science teacher’s take on Global Warming. He outlined this bizarre scenario [must have just watched 'Day After Tomorrow'] where a huge icesheet from the melting glaciers slides off Greenland because of the water underneath. It falls into the ocean causing a ‘thermal conversion’ that freezes the whole world. I don’t think the guy even knows what a thermal conversion is, but he had the whole thing figured out. No doubt, Al Gore has entertained the same kinds of fantasies in his own head too.

    • http://www.ancientsuns.com/fwd/mia/ lone77star

      Greenland lose its ice sheet and start a new Ice Age? Sounds like the Younger Dryas, to me. That 1300-year “big freeze” was supposedly caused by just such an incident, only the spill was from the pre-historic Lake Agassiz in North America. I suppose it could happen again, and any amount of disbelief won’t stop Mother Nature. All we can say afterwards is, “Oops!”

      Is man responsible for climate change, or is he irresponsible?

      http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/325/global-warming-fact-or-myth.html

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    Who knew the fire was from Pittsburgh?

  • http://www.ancientsuns.com/fwd/mia/ lone77star

    Here’s a good article which dispells some of the confusion about “global warming,” er, I mean “climate change.”

    http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/325/global-warming-fact-or-myth.html

    Good points about the relationship between global warming and earthquakes. Certainly melting ice does not cause all earthquakes.

    But try this out: set a full cup of coffee on the edge of your bed, walk around to the other side and sit down. Don’t be shy; sit down hard. Spill any coffee? Damn straight, you do. Certainly Earth is big, but it’s also all connected. The mantle is a closed system and the only outlets are the weakest links. And you got it right, those weakest links are typically at tectonic plate boundaries.

    You’re also right that the end of the last Ice Age melted a helluva lot more ice than this wimpy warming, but you’re wrong to characterize the end of the last Ice Age as sudden. The melting progressed slowly over a period of more than ten thousand years. I suppose geologically that’s moderately fast, but not sudden. And a lot more ice has melted recently than one glacier in Iceland — many millions of tons in the Arctic tundra, Greenland, Antarctica and mountain glaciers around the world.

    Right at the end of the last Ice Age, Earth experienced the greatest thrust of the glacial isostatic adjustment (post-glacial rebound and its opposite effect). That was the elastic phase, yet we’re still experiencing the slow phase of that adjustment even today. The coastline of Scandinavia is still changing. What was once an ocean cove is now an inland lake. Scotland is rising while London sinks. Is that adjustment having any effect on earthquakes and volcanoes? Hmmm-m-m, I would think maybe. If an earthquake may happen in 30 years without this adjustment, would it happen sooner with? Would the strength of it be any different? Perhaps.

    You’re right about not being blinded by what we consider “normal.” Things change in nature. That’s normal. But show a little compassion for their overzealousness. I’ll try to show some for yours. Humility in the search for truth is a good thing. A wise man once said that the one who has never done anything wrong should go ahead and throw the first stone. Don’t throw stones. They may come back.

    Carl Martin
    Texan, and proud of it
    http://www.ancientsuns.com/space-facts/solar-system/planet-mars.php

    • http://vladenblog.tumblr.com Vladimir

      green.yahoo.com as source material? Seriously?

      You: “…you?re wrong to characterize the end of the last Ice Age as sudden. The melting progressed slowly over a period of more than ten thousand years.”

      Around 14,000 years ago (about 13,000 radiocarbon years ago), there was a rapid global warming and moistening of climates, perhaps occurring within the space of only a few years or decades. …[Then,] after a few thousand years of recovery, the Earth was suddenly plunged back into a new and very short-lived ice age known as the Younger Dryas. … The main cooling event that marks the beginning of the Younger Dryas seems have occurred within less than 100 years, according to Greenland ice core data (Alley et al. 1993). After about 1,300 years of cold and aridity, the Younger Dryas seems to have ended in the space of only a few decades (various estimates from ice core climate indicators range from 20 – 70 years for this sudden transition) when conditions became as warm as they are today. Around half of the warming seems to have occurred in the space of a single span of 15 years, according to the latest detailed analyses of the Greenland ice core record (Taylor et al. 1997). Source.

      Or: Greenland Ice Core Analysis Shows Sharp Warming Near End Of Last Ice Age

      The ice core showed the Northern Hemisphere briefly emerged from the last ice age some 14,700 years ago with a 22-degree-Fahrenheit spike in just 50 years, then plunged back into icy conditions before abruptly warming again about 11,700 years ago. Startlingly, the Greenland ice core evidence showed that a massive “reorganization” of atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere coincided with each temperature spurt, with each reorganization taking just one or two years, said the study authors.

      Seems pretty abrupt to me, but YMMV. Certainly not a span of 10,000 years.

      Please don’t lecture me about attitude. I’m just a guy. We have an ex-Vice President of the United States of America who has ridden his ignorance of science and smug superciliousness into a friggin’ Nobel Peace Prize, an Academy Award and a position in an investment banking firm that stands to earn him a billion dollars if we’re stupid enough to buy into his self-serving Inconvenient version of the “Truth”.

      Yes, I’m prickly, Guilty as charged.

      But Al Gore has his movie. Ed Begley has a TV show. The idiot Weisman in the OP has a book and a TV show. The IPCC has the United F’ing Nations. Henry Waxman and Ed Markey have the same level of understanding and they have a Congressional committee.

      This gang of fools wants to take away our prosperity and our freedom over a bunch of lies and junk science.

      And I’m just a guy, but a guy with a decent education and 30 years of experience telling pseudo-scientific s**t from shinola, and you lecture me about the attitude.

      Its time to pick sides.

    • hickorystick

      how much dirt the city engineer in Seattle sluiced from the hills and deposited into the tidelands. Millions of tons is nothing.
      London is clearly in a drainage, sinking is to be expected.
      Scotland is entirely different topography, It has mountainsides showing inclined planes, which are telltale of uplift. Just south of the Scottish Border, on the western side is a county called the Cumberlands. Encumber means to place a burden on. The countyside reveals why they would call it that, with rolling hills being pressed in and folded. We have the same features in Washington State where the old continental plate is lifted and folded by Western Washington floating into the continent. Except it is called the Kootenay Arc, which received it’s name from a frenchman, but is closer to cut, than folded. The materials are closer to Scotlands, mica and shiest, lifted from the ocean floor.
      None of this has the least to do with the melting of the glaciers. Much of the topography is carved by glacier, or formed in explosive speed by a breached ice dam at the Montana, Idaho border. Millions of tons would pass by in a 1/4 second during an ice dam breach. Many of the final touches of northwest landscape were made by the most recent ice dam breach, but it is still a pee-wee of a force compared to plate subduction, and the forces of magma.
      The total bearing weight of the soil on my little city lot is 14,300,000 pounds. Not even close to the weight of an oil tanker. Now if you wanted to talk about the weight of crude oil on the earths plates, and the critical urgency of removing it, you’ve come to the right place. Earth future hangs in the balance, and we have got to get oil out of the ground and burn it up as quickly as possible.

    • Bill S

      At the Church of Global Warming.

      PREACH IT, BROTHER!

      :eye roll:

  • hickorystick

    like a senator from Tennessee does, being that all earthquakes happen there and not here. But, I took the Rocks for Jocks class at the UW anyway. My instructor wasn’t a world renowned scientist, with a Nobel to show for it, like our ex-VP. He was never in line to succeed our Liar-in Chief. But he did actually study Geology.
    He spun this yarn about one plate sub-ducting under the other; In our case the ocean plate going under the continental plate. Instead of one moving slowly over the other, the rock at the leading edges of the plate would bind together, resisting slipping past one another. Rather than moving, the rock would compress, year after year. Sometimes after a couple decades it would break free and move a bit, causing a small tremor, other times it would build up for a century, then give way for tremendous slippage, and a catastrophic earthquake (8.5-9.2) would occur.
    Well, we may know about earthquakes like Tennesee Al, but we can spin a pretty good yarn. Art in Alaska had better take heed though, the Mendenhall Glacier has receded about half a mile.

  • tngal

    Ok…climate fiends..the word out from politico tonight…

    “I want to bring to your attention what appears to be a decision by the Obama Administration and Senate Democratic leadership to move immigration instead of energy,? Graham (R-S.C.) said in a letter released Saturday.”

    I mentioned Tuesday immigration was on the fastrack, and its bumped everything else out including the climate bill. They’ll get their Wall Street bill cleared up, then immigration as they threatened. Senator Lindsey Graham somehow got stuck working on both climate and immigration, so he’s calling some shots.

    So for thiose tuned into the climate bill…you can “breathe easy” for a bit. That cloud of polluted air coming from DC is supposedly held in check for awhile.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/36301.html#ixzz0m4on21kW

    • RealQuiet

      Go for it! :)

      • tngal

        Like diary? What’s to post? Politico did the story tonight on Graham saying no way on the climate bill. He threatend it yesterday but made good on it today. At the beginning of the week Scott Brown got the call from the O saying he was pushing ahead with immigration. Within a month. At the time I questioned whether it was because Rep. Gutierrez threatened to keep Latinos away from voting in November or if it was the immigration dust up in Arizona. or both.

        I just get the feeling Graham doesn’t have the stomach to push both bills. He says he does according to the article but man, these are two nasty issues. I really believe either one now, will separate the wheat from the chaffe as far as true conservative candidates.

        ps,.you write it. you’re more awake than me. :-)