America has always had a great tradition, one mature for it’s age and true at birth, of the peaceful turnover of power from one faction to another. Never have Americans rioted when a president of another party took his seat in the White House, never has the military been called in and never has government been wholly shut down during the turnover of power because of political strife and unrest. This is, it cannot be denied, a good thing. It is one of the things that makes the USA’s unique among the history of nations. But, does this relative good sense include the necessity of one party giving the new president of the opposing party “a chance” once he takes office? As Republicans, are we obliged to sit back and allow a new president we opposed — in this case Barack Obama — the opportunity to do anything and everything he so pleases? Is this what is meant by “giving him a chance”?
I’ll have to politely say “no” is the answer to that question. Republicans are under no obligation to chuck all principles to the four winds in some mistaken notion of giving Barack Obama “a chance” to do whatever it is he wants to do in office. We have no reason to sit back and do nothing just because “the people have spoken.” To that, it must be pointed out that none of our members of “the people” spoke in Obama’s favor.
Further, let’s face history, here. No party after having lost the majority has ever just sat back and ceased all forms of resistance in the face of what amounts to the enemy taking power. In fact, no party should ever do so. Why have more than one party in the first place if no resistance is the goal? Why not just manufacture a permanent “era of good feelings” in that case? No, the concept is more properly one of settling in as the “loyal opposition,” not that of rolling over and playing dead.
Who can doubt that the Democrat Party has never obligated itself to be under any such restriction? Who doubts that the Democrat Party never gave George W. Bush a single second’s rest from the day he ran for the White House despite that he offered them his hand in friendship at the outset — and had a history back in Texas of doing so? Similarly, the Democrat Party did its level best to destroy Ronald Reagan at every opportunity from day one quite despite the landslide victory he won. And Nixon? Please.
In fact, we are already seeing the way the left plans to treat all things Republican before Obama has even fairly taken the oath of office. For instance, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is trying to re-write House rules to take as much influence as possible away from House minority Republicans, even though the Republicans are the ones responsible for creating the rules that offered the other side a modicum of influence on debate in the first place. So much for common decency there!
Even Obama’s own gegaw website operations are indulging in immature, hateful, anti-Republican efforts. On Obama’s USAService.org site, an entry for a public event is listed as an opportunity for fans of Obama to “celebrate” his ascendancy by having a “Bush Shoe Toss.” Now, this USAService website is supposed to be one where average, everyday Americans can find local opportunities to give “service” to the community. How a partisan hate event like a “Bush shoe toss” lends service to the community is anyone’s guess. But, here is Obama’s own little jimjack of a website lending its name to this childish hatemongering just the same.
Very grown up of you, Barack.
Now as David Oatney, a friend of mine from Tennessee, argued on a recent podcast on which I was invited to participate, that the argument might be made that, as adults raised to be courteous, we are obligated out of mere good manners alone to “give Obama a chance.”
I replied to the concept that I was not so obligated. On the podcast, I was not able to explain in much depth why I felt that way and I would like to remedy that here.
First we can begin with Obama’s own actions. Obama has built a mythic reputation — and I say mythic in the sense of a tale built on falsehood — of being one that will, and/or has, “reached across the aisle” to “get things done.” In actual truth, Obama has little reaching across the aisle in evidence during his career. He has never compromised on any of his ideas, has never leaned toward the middle to work with Republicans, and he has never initiated any reaching across the aisle on any substantive issue that Republicans already didn’t wholly agree with what he wanted done (in other words, their coming HIS way, not him leaning theirs). In short, his reputation of “reaching across the aisle” is a fantasy.
Obama has even shown that he isn’t too interested in the opinions of his own comrades in Congress if his surprise pick of the experience-free Leon Panetta for head of the CIA is any evidence.
Additionally, we cannot even rely enough on what Obama claims are his political principles to consider allowing him a free hand. For instance, Obama based his entire campaign on the “change we need” often defined as the end of the influence of lobbyists in Washington. Yet, since winning office, Obama has thrown that aversion to lobbyists out the window, signaling to them that he is now open to their cash-laden entreaties.
In fact, he is also installing them in both low and high positions in his administration. Just this week Obama announced that he has picked William Lynn for the position of deputy defense secretary despite that the man has been a lobbyist for the military industrial complex as a senior vp for defense contractor Raytheon Industries.
From his current actions and his actions historically, we can see that Obama feels it is his way or the highway and if Republicans sit back to give Obama “a chance” they will quickly find him stepping on their faces as opposed to walking beside them. He is simply not a man to be trusted to rule unopposed.
There is a second point here that I alluded to above, as well. It is the one called principles. We opposed Obama’s election not just because he was not from our party. We opposed him because we stand wholly against the very ideas and principles that he holds dear. We are against socialism, against the elimination of free trade, and against turning the fight against terror into a police action. We do not agree with Obama’s concept that everyone on the planet should be covered under the U.S. Constitution nor are we enamored with allowing the UN to program our foreign policy. We hate the idea of abortion on demand and the sort of infanticide that Barack Obama has himself repeatedly voted for. We stand foursquare against further bloating our government as well as his plans of eliminating our Second Amendment rights. We agree with almost nothing that Barack Obama wants to impose on this country.
All that being true, why in God’s name would we be so foolish as to sit back and allow him free reign in some misbegotten sense of “fairness”?
And, in truth, it isn’t “fairness” to allow him to run rough shod over every ideal we have simply because he won the office. It is neither “fair” to the nearly 50% of the American electorate that did not vote for the man, nor is it “fair” to the principles and ideals of the Founding Fathers to allow him to wipe out their hard won victories. It also isn’t “fair” to those Republicans currently in office that have their own plans and ideas to implement as representatives of their districts back home.
In the end, there is no reason to sit idly by and give Obama “a chance” to destroy everything we hold dear. We should oppose every move he makes with which we do not agree. Certainly there is no reason not to seek consensus when we can, compromise if we must. And absolutely we have no need to be uncivil at debate. But we are under no obligation to roll over and play dead for him.
After all, he never has.
So, let’s be done with this gauzy talk of “giving Obama a chance.” Let us proudly accept the mantle of the party of no. To mangle Buckley, let us resolve to stand athwart the Obama juggernaut, yelling STOP!
He's got one chance.......
Kenny Solomon Saturday, January 10th at 11:02AM EST (link)….and that is to not take the oath of office, saying “Sorry, my bad. I’m out.”
Other than that, as I said in another thread (different topic)………
“Can’t we all just get along ?………………………….. No.”
Adding here………. Especially not if you’re going to destroy my country and eliminate basic freedoms and liberties.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
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IJB Saturday, January 10th at 11:21AM EST (link)I concur.
redneck_hippie Saturday, January 10th at 11:27AM EST (link)I’m sick of looking at all sides.
We ha(ve)d a constitutional republic and it’s time we resurrected the Constitution.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23.
I agree...
tsquare Saturday, January 10th at 1:03PM EST (link)Except that you are a little ’soft’ on the issue… more on that in a moment…
Amen
JustLeaveMeAlone Saturday, January 10th at 7:22PM EST (link)NT
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
What the GOP must do is what is best for America
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 11:26AM EST (link)and that means that we must not seek to sabotage Obama and especially not weaken him abroad. We must do all we can, esp given the economic crisis, to meet him halfway. We have to do all we can to get the economy back on track.
With respect to the stimulus, it means making sure it is ONLY true stimulus, both demand and supply
and with respect to public works, it means we have a great opportunity to expose the job killing eco freak trial lawyers and insist that Obama actually create jobs. We have a chance to publicly expose the ESA and get it amended.
more later
I agree with you btw and great blog as usual. You are one of the best columnists in America.
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Jeff Weimer Saturday, January 10th at 11:52AM EST (link)I concur.
Out of politeness, we have the obligation to be polite, nothing more.
We also have the obligation to oppose him, but not JUST because he wants something, that way lies the unhinged - witness the last 8 years, nothing Bush proposed was good - even when it was. He was fought every inch just because he wanted it. Now Obama’s thinking about (effectively) partially privatizing Social Security - and lo and behold, the Ds think it might be a good idea. I think it’s a good idea anyway, I’ll support it no matter who’s in charge.
“We stand at once the wonder and admiration of the whole world, and we must enquire what it is that has given us so much prosperity. This cause is that every man can make himself.” - Abraham Lincoln
“Cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience asks the question, is it right?” - Martin Luther King, Jr.
We need to now be more ruthless than the left
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 12:08PM EST (link)Now is the time. We have to hit and hit hard.
No quarter. Make them pay so we don’t have to.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
I am all for ruthless, against policies, not the office
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:01PM EST (link)agreed?
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Not the office
mbecker908 Saturday, January 10th at 1:18PM EST (link)but certainly against the empty suit who will be occupying it. I’m good with him being “personally” destroyed.
'Becker, we have one President at a time
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:38PM EST (link)And your “destroy” aim is quite vague. Want Biden?
He is the face of America abroad. It hurts all of us if he is perceived as weak.
All I am saying is that we shouldn’t go out of our way to harm him. If he harms himself with policies that are anathema to American values and good sense, then we must oppose.
But we can have only one foreign policy. Congress can’t conduct it, and so…
Hell, you are really mad at the world. I’ll bet you don’t even enjoy food. You just eat it so no one else gets to eat it!
smile
but really man
take a pill
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I'll take Biden.
mbecker908 Saturday, January 10th at 1:53PM EST (link)He won’t be any worse.
Obama, IMO, will be an overt threat to our national security and may well set us on a near-irreversible course by cutting the size and effectiveness of our military, promoting the accursed State Department view of policy vis Israel & the ME in general and the proposition that we should be more involved with the UN and the EU on policy matters.
You’re absolutely right that we only have one foreign policy and that it is conducted by POTUS. However, we should undertake to do everything politically possible to paint the picture that BO is an empty suit who completely out of touch with international reality and a manifest danger to the American people.
As far as him being “perceived as weak”, he should be. He is. And he will pursue policies that will undercut our national security. He should be forestalled from being able to do that. If making an international laughingstock of him is what’s required, we should do it. I can’t think of a single action, short of assassination, that shows him to be a weak, despicable excuse for a man, a complete empty headed empty suit and a danger to not just the US but to world peace in general that I wouldn’t support. If it came down to the fact that we’d been able to destroy him to the point where world leaders would ask him to stay home and would refuse to visit the WH I’d celebrate.
I’m not mad at the world and my son is world class chef so I have no problem with my food and I certainly have no problem wanting to share it. Thanks for your latest example of off-point lawyer crap.
What I am is very concerned for the future of my nation and I hold the view that hindering Obama’s ability to conduct foreign policy is our patriotic duty.
I would prefer Biden, but let's address the reality of BHO
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:01PM EST (link)We should paint the picture of Obama based on what he says and does as President and if he exudes weakness to our enemies, then we should let the world and American voters know that if they would return power to us, that we will be strong. But we shouldn’t go out of our way to make him look weak and we should do all we can to strengthen him.
Weakness invites aggression and I don’t want the GOP to be responsible for weakening the President for political reasons. And I want to limit his weakness no less Americans are killed.
Everything we do should be based on the facts of the particular situation, not the vague goals you have.
We must try and steer him in the right direction, not be about the business of weakening him writ large.
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The reality is, gc, that BO is the prototypical weak sister.
mbecker908 Sunday, January 11th at 3:02PM EST (link)And EVERYBODY knows it. At least everybody outside our shoreline. And you’re absolute right, weakness invites aggression. And for that reason we should be doing everything possible to let the rest of the world know that we too know he’s an empty suit and we will not stand for him sell out our national interest.
Nothing we can do will weaken BO. That’s the equivalent of feeding me a double whopper to slow me down before fighting Mike Tyson.
We should be about the business of demonstrating every day that he does not have the support of all Americans and that his policies are wrong and dangerous. I absolutely do not want him to be successful in any sense of the word. My goal would be to have the name “Obama” forever linked to failure. I’d be happy if he was specifically told by Democrats to not attend future conventions.
I understand. We face a real dilemma, because we can't compel
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 11th at 4:49PM EST (link)a president to defend us.
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My bottom line is simple Mike
mbecker908 Sunday, January 11th at 5:02PM EST (link)there is no risk in stating the obvious. The risk is in pretending it isn’t really obvious. In recovery it’s called “the elephant in the room”. And it isn’t going to go away.
Two examples: Jimmy Carter. His bumbling foreign policy gave us the middle east problems we’ve got today. (Reagan had a couple of chances to fix the problem - Beirut Marine Corps bombing & IDF having PLO bottled up in a fight to the death - and blew those.) Bill Clinton. Let’s prosecute terrorist instead of killing the bastards set the stage for 911.
In neither case would Republicans have made the situation worse by going for the throat over completely inept policy decisions. We didn’t and we’re paying the price and will continue to pay it.
Perhaps, and only perhaps, BO would defend us in the event of a major attack on US soil. A minor attack, a series of minor attacks, or an overseas attack on US interests will be pretty much ignored.
probably so. maybe by stating the obvious, we can shame him
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, January 11th at 5:26PM EST (link)into being a man
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You're right GC--as ususal...
Susannah Saturday, January 10th at 1:56PM EST (link)I was watching Glen Beck’s interview with O’Reilly last night, and he explained to O’Reilly that he was going to oppose Obama on the things that he disagreed with, but that he wasn’t going to root against Obama. In fact, Beck stated that he wanted Obama to be successful, because, like you said, it would be bad for America to have a weak President.
Wow Susannah I have to disagree with you....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 2:31PM EST (link)I watched Glenn Beck w/O’Reilly and thought how great I don’t have to watch him WIMP out on his new show….here’s hoping John Gibson getst that 5PM hour back!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Oh, that's OK Jaded....
Susannah Saturday, January 10th at 3:16PM EST (link)This ain’t the first time, or probably the last time, that someone’s gonna disagree with me.
Anyway, let me be clear–I am not at all happy about Obama being elected President. He was most definitely my last choice. I was just saying that I don’t want to actively root against him (but I’m sure that I will frequently disagree with him), because I want America to be strong. In other words I want my love of America to be stronger than my intense dislike of Obama. (Oh, and I’m not questioning anyone else’s patriotism–I’m speaking only for myself.)
No I know Susannah...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:22PM EST (link)I cannot wish him well I know him to well I know he is no “moderate” I know he is all that WE said he was during the campaign that did not change with his taking the office…..he is a HARD LEFT President further left than any other President and his desire to seat Justices who feel empathy in their judgements as opposed to actually feeling nothing and staying true to The Constitution is the biggest reason I know him for what he is……he didn’t lie about himself.
America will NOT be strong financially nor militarily under The Messiah and all the HOPE and CHANGE in the world will not change that FACT!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
thanks Jeff - agreed - nt
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Not the office of POTUS
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 1:04PM EST (link)Agreed.
The policies of Obama, Yes.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
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Absolutely not... No way... Not now... Not ever...
rbdwiggins Saturday, January 10th at 1:06PM EST (link)All Republicans, and I use the term Republicans loosely, that abandon our founding principles (Conservatism/Federalism) for the sake of “getting things done for the American people” deserve nothing but our overwhelming disgust and unmitigated support for their primary opponent.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
I am not for abandoning founding principles rbd
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:28PM EST (link)and that quote of “getting things done” wasn’t from my comment!
What I am saying is that we need to try and get some supply side stimulus that will actually help the economy and the only way to do that is to compromise.
The economy must be helped. Its people’s lives, and we shouldn’t simply oppose everything he wants when we can get some of what will work, esp if what he wants is tax cuts and public works.
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I wholeheartedly disagree, GC...
rbdwiggins Saturday, January 10th at 2:05PM EST (link)Any supply-side stimulus that Pelosi “allows” to be introduced as part of a comprehensive stimulus package will be, by design, overwhelmed by the socialist policies contained within the final product. There’s a high probability that, if included, the supply-side component of the final product will not be recognizable.
The Democrat’s stimulus package is destined to fail before it’s even enacted because it relies on the power of government instead of sound economic policies.
Republican “compromise” will only afford political cover to the democrats for their abject failure. Compromise will not mitigate the damage to our constitutional republic, and our economy will likely become much worse than doing nothing.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Ok, rbd, let's be clear on what will be in the stimulus bill
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:27PM EST (link)I just called Obama and got him to blackberry the details!
Here is what I am saying.
If the stimulus is limited to tax cuts and public works, then we should deal. We must filibuster any attempt to put cap and trade, socialized medicine, Ayers education reform, etc out at all costs!!!!! This is our main duty. We can beat that crap in a debate like we did Amnesty and we van get blue dogs.
So, lets say the bill is public works and tax cuts.
Well, governments do have to fix and build roads, bridges, etc and so why not accelerate it.
But we also make clear that Obama promised jobs and not just for lawyers and highlight the job killing trial lawyers and ESA law for those Obama voters that want jobs.
We can make major political points with this while the electorate is attentive.
So, there is nothing inherently socialistic for government to build public works. They are, after all, PUBLIC works.
Now, to the tax cuts.
They are going to happen. There are worse things than “middle class” tax cuts!!!! OK?
Yes, they are too large and not the kind that produce growth, but hey, I’m for any tax cut, any time a dem will agree.
Now, to the issue of those that will get a check that don’t pay “federal” taxes.
Is that socialism? Maybe. But so is social security, and the overwhelming majority of people that work
(and let’s not forget, that to get the tax cut, you have to work)
pay FICA, and last I checked there is no lock box and its a federal program.
I just wrote a blog (and Steve Forbes and increasingly more conservatives agree) that we should not call the tax cuts welfare for those that don’t pat fed income tax but do pay FICA.
It is an insult to tell a working person that they are on welfare.
But I digress (but we would appreciate if you would read my blog on it and comment!)
Now, we have every reason to expect that Obama is going to accept some supply side tax and reg cuts based on his recent statements and his recent inclusion of some accelrated depreciation provisions and the views of his advisors.
So all I am saying is that under these circumstances, we might be able to catually get some provisions in the bill that would actually help the economy to recover and that must be job 1.
Now, it may be that given the size of the bill that it would be a net negative. I don’t deny that. But I haven’t reached a conclusion yet. There is no bill yet and I want to see the debate and study on it.
especially your thought my man!!
god bless
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GC, I se your point and I don't disagree, but....
Wubbies World Saturday, January 10th at 2:35PM EST (link)… there is still a part of me that is very strongly wanting the Democrats to pass this with only Democrat votes, minus Johnny Mac in the Senate.
I know deep down that the pork fest they will pass irregardless of Republican help for cover, will only slow or damage the economy further. I really want that on their heads, and I really don’t want the Dem’s saying it was the Repub’s who made us do it! - and you know they will if Repub’s vote for it.
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Good points from the world of wub, but here's why I don't want that scenario
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:44PM EST (link)The American economy will recover, almost no matter what, and I don;t want us left out of some credit. I don’t want us just to be Dr No in a huge crisis. And I am sure we can get some good things in the bill.
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In the world of hypotheticals, I agree with you, GC...
rbdwiggins Saturday, January 10th at 3:31PM EST (link)But these are the same people who aren’t satisfied with just letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire. They want to accelerate their soak the rich scheme and punish whole industries the left deems to be politically incorrect.
There’s almost no chance, as in freezing over first, Pelosi and her minions will allow open debate or the introduction of meaningful tax reform and deregulation. A rebate check to those who do not pay federal income tax does not in any way qualify as a supply-side component. It’s income redistribution, it’s socialist policy and it’s wrong for America.
Once a snake, always a snake.
Even if, by some miraculous cosmic event, the dem’s stimulus package, loaded with “compromise,” should actually work, the Republican Party will get no credit whatsoever.
There’s a high degree of probability that the net result of the dem’s economic stimulus package could produce similar results.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
rbd and GC this is how I see it too...
Wubbies World Saturday, January 10th at 4:43PM EST (link)If it is successful, and I highly doubt it, the Repub’s who voted for it will get zero credit for “improving it”. The Democrat Press will see to that. It will all be the Messiah’s wizardry.
However, if it crashes and burns the economy and the Repub’s voted for it, it will be bi-partisan failure and everyone had good intentions but it didn’t work. The damage will be scapegoated and neutralized by the Repub vote. The Democrats walk away clean for their disaster.
Look at what happened in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. We had the video of the Democrats protecting and defending Franklin Raines and the cooked books. We had video of Republican’s saying this was going to blow up and melt down if it wasn’t fixed. I will give you one guess how much it mattered in laying blame for the financial mess!
If there is one Republican who votes for this other than Johnny Mac, the blame will laid on the Repubs and the Democrats walk away clean. The media will see to that.
The Republican lose either way. There only safe vote is to keep out of it and away from it! The only decision remaining is if to be vocal about it. That is all there is to decide. The MSM and Democrats will toast them if they are too vocal and it succeeds, but I highly doubt its success.
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Wubbie, my main goal is to get investors off strike
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 4:47PM EST (link)with some supply side tax cuts etc. I want the economy to recover, period.
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There's actually a very simple solution to our economic crisis...
rbdwiggins Saturday, January 10th at 5:19PM EST (link)Make the Bush Tax Cuts™ permanent, cut the capital gains tax-rate, eliminate the corporate tax and drill baby, drill.
And, it’s probably the only viable economic plan
But, it’s not going to happen during the 111th Congress.
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exactly right - nt
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GC, When Obama gave his speach about the stimulous package, did you watch the simultanious stock market ticker?
Wubbies World Saturday, January 10th at 5:26PM EST (link)If you did, you watched the stock market tank the longer he talked.
The only way your going to get investors to go off strike is by the government doing nothing. That isn’t going to happen. The longer the Democrats keep trying to repair the economy with demand side economics, the investors will stay on the sidelines.
Yes we need supply side stimulus, as long as the Democrats get Johnny Mac to go along so there is not filibuster, what are the chances they give a rat’s behind about what Republicans want, except for some cover with votes.
The thing here is that the Democrats in the Senate know the Republicans in the Senate are spineless and enough squish Rinos will vote for it. On the House side, as long as there are Main Street Republicans, there will be a few Republican votes. No amendments will be allowed, a few crumbs will be given if Republicans don’t make a fuss. That is all that is going to happen in the legislation.
Now to be honest, I agree with you and your goal. I just don’t see the Democrats being cooperative. They are in the golden 100 days of the Messiah’s reign. They won’t give an inch except for window dressing. A perfect is example is redistribution of tax revenue to non tax payers being called a tax cut. That is as good as it is going to get. That is all they will give.
However, this is only my opinion. I want to be wrong and I hope you are right. I guess I have braced myself for the worst and I fully expect it. So, do a lot of investors too. That may be my failing, but it is where I am at with this.
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Yes, but after months of 500+ point moves
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 6:32PM EST (link)The market reaction to Obama and the millions of other factors! was quite deminimis.
I think we will get some supply side stuff in the stimulus.
Will it be enough? I doubt it.
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No, no, no, no, NO!
tsquare Saturday, January 10th at 1:10PM EST (link)As long as the GOP puts the nation ahead of our political goals we will lose to Democrats that are not burdened by such things.
For 8 #@$%^@!!*! long years… while at WAR, the left in general and the Democratic Party particularly has, not once, done what’s good for the nation. They have done what is good for them politically no mater what the cost to the nation, it’s safety and especially to those that were defending it.
No quarter given to Bush
No quarter to be given to Obama
“Compromise is never anything but an ignoble truce between the duty of a man and the terror of a coward.”
FIGHT!
Tcurved, you haven't a quarter to give if you believe that
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:30PM EST (link)We have put the nation first since Lincoln and we have won quite a bit and if we will grow spines against the msm, we will win again.
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...not weaken him abroad.
mbecker908 Saturday, January 10th at 1:17PM EST (link)Couldn’t disagree more.
Given that he will move toward policies that will undercut our national security - relying on “international agreements” instead of the overt threat of military force - by joining hands with the Euroweenies, we should do everything under the sun to make sure he has exactly no credibility abroad. He should be forestalled from ever delivering on a “promise” made to any of those fools.
To the extent that he continues the few “good” policies of the Bush Administration, we should support him and note - in very loud voices - that we are supporting him because he is following Bush’s policies, hence undercutting him with both the Euroweenies and his base.
Well now, if he weakens himself and thus America
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:22PM EST (link)then we will have to oppose him. Yes, I agree. All I am saying is that we should try to strengthen him by doing what you say where we agree and to try and nudge him to support freedom fighters by guilting him into it.
All I am saying is that we should not make gratuitous attacks on him based on campaign rhetoric and weaken him just for the sake of it.
You will not that I just wrote a column excoriating his silence on Hamas in an attempt to shame him into doing the right thing.
I don’t think we disagree.
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Obama-nomics couldn’t be more wrong
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 1:26PM EST (link)“Barack Obama claims that Americans can only stave off economic disaster by trillions in government spending–which means trillions of dollars taxed or borrowed to finance government make-work programs,” said Yaron Brook, executive director of the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights.
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=22273&news_iv_ctrl=2703
Obama-nomics couldn’t be more wrong.
“Prosperity requires that the government drastically cut government spending. That way, as much real capital as possible will remain in private hands, and be put to productive use by entrepreneurs to create valuable goods and services to sell at home and abroad. By taxing and inflating our wealth away, Obama will simply be creating more of the crushing debt that brought about the current crisis.”
“You don’t put out a fire with more gasoline. And you don’t end a recession by destroying capital.”
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Of course I agree izoneguy. His platitudes are scary
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:33PM EST (link)But we have to deal from the position of the minority
IN A CRISIS
and is we can limit the stimulus to public works and tax cuts and get some supply side tax cuts, etc and use the public works debate to expose the job killing trial lawyer lobby, then we will be able to stick to principle, be part of the solution politically and actually make it possible that the economy recovers as soon as possible.
Our other goal must be to make damn sure that none of his fundamental reforms get in the stimulus bill.
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Yes, thats why we have to dig in
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 1:39PM EST (link)This will be trench warfare for the next four years. Don’t listen to the moderates or McCain. Don’t give an inch and no reaching across the aisle. Our kids & grandkids are counting on us.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
McCain makes me want to puke. Lets follow Sessions
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 1:46PM EST (link)He is all over the stimulus in all details and he is rock solid.
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...is that we should not make gratuitous attacks on him based on campaign rhetoric and weaken him just for the sake of it.
mbecker908 Saturday, January 10th at 2:01PM EST (link)If you’re implying that I said that, you’re absolutely wrong.
Specifically I noted that we should take his policies apart and show that the man is a danger to not just the US but to world peace as well. Do that, his creds will be zero. I certainly don’t support gratuitous attacks because they will bite us. But substantive attacks should be pursued to the very end and should have the objective of destroying (not “hurting”) his credibility everywhere and with everyone.
I think our only real disagreement is that I want elected Democrats of every variety destroyed - politically, professionally and personally - to the point where they can’t show their faces in public because they’d be tarred and feathered if they did. I see them as the enemy of the American Way and the American Dream and more dangerous to the Nation than aQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, Communists, Fascists, or Nazis could ever be. I doubt you go that far.
How many times have I said that the Dem party is a vile
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:10PM EST (link)morally and intellectually bankrupt vampire that needs a stake driven thru what used to be its heart.
I HATE THE DEM PARTY WITH EVEY FIBER OF MY BEING. I WANT TO KILL IT.
I KONW THE PARTY FROM THE INSIDE AFTER 18 YEARS.
I HATE THE DEM PARTY FOR THEIR BUSHLIED TREASON. ALL OF THEM, THOSE THAT SAID LIE, MISLEAD OR STAYED SILENT AND STAYED IN THAT PARTY. I CHASTISE ANYONE THAT WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH THE DEM PARTY.
I HATE IT.
We do not disagree on the danger that is the dem party my brother.
That said, we should take Obama’s policies apart that harm America, when he actually pursues them. But, we should also try and help shape them beforehand and be careful not to overreach in the foreign policy area.
You will note that I recently wrote a blog suggesting that Obama is emboldening Hamas by his moral muteness.
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OK Mike, but then I'd have to say that you're
mbecker908 Saturday, January 10th at 3:15PM EST (link)very inconsistent. I see your protests, but then it seems that every chance you get you project grays where only black and white exist - see Jaded’s comment elsewhere.
We absolutely should NOT wait for him to pursue policies we should take him apart on his discussion of policies, his positions during the campaign and his advisers, who are the biggest bunch of fruitcakes I’ve seen assembled in one place.
I’m tired of being reactive, it’s time be be PROactive. We need to mount an offense against this guy NOW.
5 5 5....nt
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:17PM EST (link)…
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Give him a chance? I think not!
Vegas_Rick Saturday, January 10th at 11:30AM EST (link)This may be one of the most important fights in our nations history.
” We agree with almost nothing that Barack Obama wants to impose on this country.”
We need to stop him and his progressive allies, at all costs.
But we need to do this with better ideas that are clearly, loudly and endlessly communicated. Not with simple obstructionism. That will gain us nothing.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Quibble: 1861 stands in opposition to your
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 11:33AM EST (link)first paragraph.
No it doesn't (nt)
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Much of the South threatened to secede if
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 1:50PM EST (link)Lincoln was elected, and when he was elected, those states seceded.
How is that not violence in response to a presidential turnover?
Firing on Fort Sumter was violence - nt
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exactly. you are agreeing, gc?
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 1:56PM EST (link)n/t
I know where this is going but: secession was not violence
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 2:06PM EST (link)and it is unlikely that Lincoln could have roused the North to war over secession alone. As GC says, firing on Ft. Sumter was violence and ultimately proved to be suicidal violence.
In Vino Veritas
secession is violence if backed up by violence
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 2:11PM EST (link)the south wasn’t staging a sit-in. they weren’t going to let themselves be kept in the union, i.e., they were willing to use violence to keep themselves out of the union.
since my quibble - which was only a quibble because it is the only exception in our history to what the diary author wrote - is becoming a thread jack, i will stop here. you, gc, and anyone else are welcome to have the last word.
You're shifting the goalposts icbm
Neil Stevens Saturday, January 10th at 2:20PM EST (link)The transition of power was entirely peaceful. There was a secession and that was that.
What was violent was the transfer of property after the secession. Lincoln wouldn’t give up Fort Sumter, and resupplied his troops there with clear military intent. He wasn’t going to give up the fort without a fight.
But you cannot deny that Lincoln took power peacefully, and that there was no delay in his taking power due to protests.
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I always used to chide an old professor of mine
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:35PM EST (link)that referred, under his breath!, to the War Between the States as the war of northern agression by asking him how dare the Fort attack those cannon balls!
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Achance, do you really think that absent Fort Sumter
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:38PM EST (link)there would have been no war? I’m asking. I think that icbm has a good point in that the seceeding states thought war was likely.
And given that 11 states seceeded, wasn’r violence inevitable?
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That fateful Spring of 1861.
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 4:42PM EST (link)OK, I’m working from memory, so I may have some things off, correct me, don’t insult me.
From Dec until April only the seven Lower South states seceded Each did it scrupulously in the same manner that they originally entered the union, either convention or vote or action of the Legislature. I don’t remember which did which. I know Georgia elected delegates to a Convention. Public opinion in the North was very divided and many of the great opinion makers, e.g., Greeley were initially saying, “let them go.” There was some push back from business interests who began to understand what a free-trade South controlling the Port of New Orleans might mean to US revenue and their personal fortunes, but there was no outcry to preserve the union or to stamp out the vinyards of slavery. The Abolitionists had about the same status in the res publica as the Envirowhackos today, but they had some considerable influence on the Republican Party. Which is not to say that the Republicans and Lincoln would not have kicked them to the curb if necessary.
Then the residents of the lunatic asylum with the acquiescence of the Provisional Government of the Confederate States bombarded Ft. Sumter. The North was incensed that the US flag had been fired on. (Actually, it had been fired on several times, but this one was anticipated.) There is NO doubt that the attempt to “re-supply” Ft. Sumter was intended to be a provocation and Lincoln knew his adversary. He easily, almost effortlessly, provoked them into doing something suicidally foolish. Even firebrands like Robert Toombs were appalled by the attack.
In response to the attack on Ft. Sumter, Lincoln asked the Governors of the States to provide 75, 000 troops from the state militias “to suppress the rebellion.” The Upper South States refused to contribute troops to invade their Lower South brethren and seceded. Thus was the stage set.
What would Lincoln have done to get a war if the PACS hadn’t fired on a US fort? We can run some gaming out here: So, the CSA lets the US re-supply its fort(s), Sumter was only one of several similarly situated US facilities, and continues to ask for negotiation to set the payment for the US asset. The CSA had offered to pay the USA for all USA assets in the CSA. Eventually, that would have gamed out to an impasse some place or another or an over zealous commander some place. It would have come to blows eventually, I suppose. But if the CSA had been more restrained, less bellicose, it would have been much harder for the USA to have mobilized any public opinion and the CSA would have had a lot more chits with Britain and France.
The picture of an independent CSA sharing a long border with the USA is not a pretty one. Harry Turtledove does a wonderful job of running out how that might have been played over the ensueing century - it ain’t pretty.
So, it was an “irrepressible conflict;” they would have come to blows. But to the precise question of would there have been the war that was had the CSA not fired on Ft. Sumter? No, I think not. But there would have been a war; later, and worse.
In Vino Veritas
Thnaks guy. Now, were their any Lincoln election related riots?-nt
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Yeah, in New York in the summer of 1863!
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 4:54PM EST (link)In ‘61, there were threats and some thuggishness. You have to take almost any report of a threat to Lincoln or the Union in those early days with a grain of salt. There were people on both sides looking for a fight. There were people on both sides looking to curry favor. Pinkerton is a great example of that. What would the North’s reaction to the situation have been had they known the truly sorry state of CSA troops and organization rather than being bombarded with reports of an army that would outmatch Napoleons, all spit and polished, and armed and equipped with the latest and best. And people think the WMD reports from Iraq overstated the threat!
In Vino Veritas
War was pretty likely,
David123 Saturday, January 10th at 7:27PM EST (link)However, we have Guantanamo in Cuba so we could have theoretically kept Fort Sumpter in an independent nation of South Carolina. If nobody fired a first shot, the war could’t have started. If US troops started shooting, Kentucky might have seceded in addition to the other states that seceded.
David123
I think you make a good point - nt
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Neil, I think there were some riots. Achance may know. - nt
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In DC?
Neil Stevens Saturday, January 10th at 2:48PM EST (link)If there were then icbm was right and nWTH was wrong.
nWTH was pretty specific about his claims.
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There was enough unrest, particularly in Maryland,
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 3:13PM EST (link)that Lincoln sneaked in by dark of night. It is said by some that he disguised himself with a woman’s shawl, but has about the same credibility as the same story about Davis.
In Vino Veritas
The only people that do that are jihadists
Jack_Savage Saturday, January 10th at 4:09PM EST (link)But they dress up like girls shawl and all.
Excellent points about principle. Republicans must oppose the trillion
spainishirish Saturday, January 10th at 11:34AM EST (link)dollar “stimulus plans” which are socialism by another name as presently constituted. Yes, work to make them more palatable but oppose them when they fail to meet the minimal standard of what a free, capitalist society should expect.
Sometimes, opposition happens to be the right thing. This is the case here, and will be the case with many of the more outrageous policies Obama will seek to implement. We expect our GOP senators and representatives to oppose any legislation that runs counter to our principles, and should punish those who sign onto bills that are anathema to us as Republicans. This is not to say everything should be opposed for the sake of opposition. There will be areas where Obama will be right. But for the most part he will not be.
The American people will reward the Republican Party if it sticks to its principles and seeks lto stop or shape legislation that otherwise would be harmful to our beloved country.
It OK not to meet obama halfway
bobojake Saturday, January 10th at 11:39AM EST (link)Things I learned from my Grandpa:
1. If you meet a liberal halfway, your on the wrong side of de fence.
2. Its ok to tell a liberal NO and enjoy it.
3. Don’t abandon your principles, your Great- Great-Greatgranddad may of
rode a ship to get here from Belgium but you son are a Naitve Born
American and fight for it and be proud of it.
4. Its OK to pray for the liberals but speak out against their taking over the
UNITED STATES
AMEN
Salute...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 3:18PM EST (link).
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Let's see, George Bush's honeymoon lasted...
bk Saturday, January 10th at 11:47AM EST (link)Oh wait, it ended before inauguration - “selected not elected”, “he’s not MY president”, etc.
he had his honeymoon late
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 1:50PM EST (link)it started on 9/11 and lasted for about one week.
Bring Obama to the middle of the bridge
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 11:53AM EST (link)then run as fast as you can and cut the ropes so he falls into the abyss.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Or, kidnap him, chloroform him,
redneck_hippie Saturday, January 10th at 11:58AM EST (link)lay him in Rod Blagojevich’s bed and call in Fox News.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23.
As Mark Levin would say "A Chance to do WHAT"...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 12:22PM EST (link)destroy the country….make us socialist…..destroy the military…..turn over our country to the UN….ummmmmm…..NOOOOO!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Ahhh, the great one....
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 1:02PM EST (link)If I were a billionaire I would put Mark on 50 TV channels 24/7
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Jaded, in your former like as an assasin, how many kills
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:48PM EST (link)did you make?
I never rode a horse, but I am prepared to get some reins for you!
Love ya gal. You radical fire eater!
I just love being the nuanced guy lately, so long as becker doen’t kill me!
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life, not like - nt
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In my former like I was well liked as an assassin :-)
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 2:52PM EST (link)I suspect in my former life I was certainly no one of importance but just just one of the GRASSROOTS KILLERS
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Water more and use fertilizer - nt
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Just as long as those are Democrat/Liberal GrassRoots
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 3:02PM EST (link)I guess RINO roots count
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+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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she is not now, nor formerly...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 2:58PM EST (link)liked
WARNING: JUST FUNNIN’… more-so to give GC hard time over typo (even though he already caught it)
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WOW J I am not liked....boo hoo....so sad...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:11PM EST (link)NOT!! I am quite sure I am disliked a lot in a lot of places however I can also with certainty know I am respected and feared in other places….I hold quite alot of power at my work….. my preference is none of the above my preference is to to be ME….love me hate me I happen to have evolved from my youth with a total disregard for how others think of me and ONLY how I think of myself!
I know you were joking and I appreciate it because the day Jaded cannot take a joke is the day that life is no longer fun….preference there is a fairly baudy and or black type of humor!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
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gotta keep our sense of humor... despite Political Apocalypse we're under
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 3:27PM EST (link)I knew you would take it in the manner intended
based on previous interactions (remembering one instance particularly, but no link handy to point back to it)
borrowing again from diogenes finds:
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Hey J and others Obama is giving McCain a chance....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:31PM EST (link)http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-to-honor-mccain-with-pre-inaugural-dinner-2009-01-10.html
That’s right Obama is hosting a dinner to honor the guy closer to the middle than he will ever get and by that of course I mean the left side!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
too bad it isn't a retirement dinner for...
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 11th at 4:51PM EST (link)McCain = Mr. BiPartisan (Conservative SELLOUT) =
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
having a GC moment
JLenardDetroit Sunday, January 11th at 4:59PM EST (link)let us all “HOPE” that RADICAL-Elect Oblahblah can be moderated by McCain and be BiPartisan and brought toward the Center from the Left-Field-Parking lot he’s been trying to snag balls in/from….
How’s that Mike, (lol, couldn’t resist poking at you again friend) is that A better more hopeful/neutral tone?
(Please note I’ll not be holding my breath)
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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OBTW J love the little pictures keep them up!...nt
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:32PM EST (link)….
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Gamecock loves Jaded. feel it? - nt
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All the time my friend all the time WE will get back on track....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:42PM EST (link)what kind of friendship would we have if we didn’t disagree any more than we would just be in a an echo chamber and our brains would stop working!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I think you will find that our disagreements are on strategic matters with many caveats
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 4:20PM EST (link)and that a perusal of my recent columns will show that we have many harmonic echos!
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You know GC the reason becker or I find disagreement...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:01PM EST (link)with your take is you are seeing grays where there are none…..example..
My boss whose first vote was for Nixon considers himself a Republican and we were chatting yesterday and he looked at me in the end and said “you see things in black and white good and bad where as I see grays in somethings”
I questioned him on these “somethings” and his response was that he “felt” that Obama was not a radical and anti-semite and American hating as I think he is and I questioned him back and said WHAT about him says otherwise? He ran with radicals he sought out radicals he sat in a church pew for 20 years and listened to anti-semites his wife worked with Farrakhans wife, they lived blocks apart he lived blocks from Ayers he worked with Ayers he shared an office with Ayers…..WHAT from all of that leaves a GRAY area NOTHING my friend NOTHING!
This is not someone like a DFL’er such as Clinton this is a HARD CORE LEFTIST who is now running the best damn country in the world WE cannot sit here and be silent, respectful, nice WE must be the OPPOSITION in full throated defiance of his plans AND if any R works with him THEY should be sent home! This is WAR!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
the RADICAL-Elect Oblahblah
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 3:08PM EST (link).
NOTE: Despite the applause, you know I still like you GC…. we can all be mis-guided and wrong sometimes…. Someday maybe even I might be mistaken
And I sure hope that we (that view Oblahblah’s appointments of LEFTISTS despite his “Centrist” bs … er… rhetoric…. will be proven wrong… but I doubt it.
Don’t mind me… got out the silly side of the bed today
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+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
And I thought it was because I was just smarter than you guys! kidding
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 3:09PM EST (link)Although I do think a lot of myself! But I actually told a friend today that my head was spinning over the complexity of the economic issues and that I needed to study more, wait for the actual proposal, listen to Sen Sessions and think.
I’m going to continue my response to your impossible to respond to in less than 500 pages dig in another comment because I just thought of a cute line!
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I want Oblahblah to FAIL miserably....
JLenardDetroit Saturday, January 10th at 3:37PM EST (link)because if he SUCEEDS (based on my believing what he promised the Radical-Left in Primaries to be what he really thinks/feels) it means this country would NOT be recognizable when he/they (with his fellow SOCIALISTS that lead the Democrat majority in the House/Senate) is/are done!
I will not stand by and just be a Conscientious Objector… I will stand and Fight…. with Words (hopefully nothing else becomes necessary under the Jeffersonian “Tree of Liberty refreshing”)…..
I WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT…. RAGE…. we shall NOT let the LIGHT OF LIBERTY AND FREEDOM DIE…. will not allow more enslavement of Americans to a Socialist expansion within our own country….
Get out your Rage Against the Machine music (yes, I know it is meant to be anti-Conservative music, but never more appropriate in the call to Fight the Power of SOCIALISTS)
Now…. I’ll go calm down and go out and shovel all this Global Warming falling from the skies here across the Mid-west….
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” - a Rush caller (other Quotes)
Is Nirvana ok? - nt
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JHancock Friday, February 6th at 1:51AM EST (link)I’d hate to have another Great Depression, but I’d take 10 years of hard times if it ended liberalism in America once and for all. Hope Obama fails hugely, resigns in shame, and commits supuku with an apology letter to taxpayers taped to his back
Non-color blind rooster sees gray in crisis and enhanced minority status
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 3:33PM EST (link)Jaded, I see the black and white in Obama vs us and quite frankly in most dem party leaders incl Hillary and even Bill.
And I know quite well who Obama the man is. But he is also President with a large dem party majority during a dire economic crisis coming on the heels of a decade of a damaged GOP brand.
We have to oppose Obama based on what he actually says and does as President, not on what he is or on what he said in the campaign. We can’t preemptively seek to emasculate the President based on political opposition.
We must oppose his bad policies and offer alternatives. We must seek to help America recover from the crisis, keep it strong, maintain its deterrence and try to help Obama see the light.
That is our duty.
I am not going to just preemptive oppose the man before he acts. I think my recent blog on his moral muteness on Israel shows that I see black and white just fine and that I am no gray seeking wilting violet.
Our disagreements are as to strategy in real time and possibly the import of the paradigm shift effect of the econ911 and what is best from the position of the minority during same.
I may end up opposing the stimulus, but rather than just decide to oppose “it”, whatever “it” is, I also think it wise that we be seen as trying to help Americans in this crisis and also seeking opportunities to win on some major issues like the Endangered Species Act, etc given the inevitable public works bill.
We can force Obama to choose his lawyer friends over the hope for change voters that want jobs!
We can get some supply side policies that might actually help Americans that are suffering.
We should try. It is our duty.
I know what Obama “is”. But I really hate that word. Obama now has the weight of the office on him. I have seen times that he is teachable and he has some great econ minds around him.
Summers is the real deal.
And I think Obama is very ignorant and that we need to help him! As Christians.
But it really doesn’t matter what he “is.” He wakes up everyday and has choices. We can work to make it more likely that he choose our way by political maneuvering.
Whether its showcasing Ukraine freedom fighters, US coal workers, people suffering from unemployment that need for investors to get tax breaks, etc.
Yes, its war. But there are many wars. Jihadists are at war against America and Obama is the only man that order the armed forces to fight back. We must try to show him the light on that.
There is a war against the recession and he has the veto, and we must TRY to get good policies. Thru compromise.
This crisis is real. We are going to be tested as a people and we can’t let politics stop us from at least trying to get some policies in the stimulus that will help.
On most issues, we will have to wage all out war. But let that develop after trying to deal. Esp as to the recession at first.
Like I said, I haven’t decided yet. There is no bill. I will have to read hundreds of pages of facts before I rant and rave.
I have a rep you know!
And you know that I will never sit and be silent. I haven’t the foggiest who that was directed at!
Maybe you saw some gray!?
luv ya babe
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GC when these policies fail and they will.....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:44PM EST (link)WE must show that we were in opposition to them!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I agree, and I do favor clarity in the abstract, but its the crisis
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 3:53PM EST (link)And I fear that if we don’t improve the bill, his policies could prolong the crisis for years.
And no election victory is worth that.
Look, on all his fundamental changes, its war.
But as to public works and tax cuts? During a severe recession? When weighed against what we can acheive and the political situation?
The only question I have is the SIZE of the thing and the inflationary effect, and that could cause me to oppose it.
Still thinking.
But we have to be more than Dr No and we shouldn’t call taxcuts for those that work and pay FICA, welfare.
bad form and not accurate
more later
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OK GC I am going to Mark Levin.....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:06PM EST (link)look around you do you see people getting up going to work everyday do you see traffic jams for those people do you see people in the stores do you see people in the resturants do you see people buying home and cars? I see that everyday of course not the houses and cars but they are being bought.
The panic mentality of both Bush and The Messiah and the Democrat Congress is not the reality of MOST peoples everyday existence.
The whole of Bush’s 8 years 5.2 percent unemployment the whole of Clinton’s 8 years 5.2 percent unemployment WHY is today worse than the 90’s WHY? It’s not it is just different! Think about the Oil Crises and stagnation of the 70’s think about the S&L’s of the 80’s think about the IT crash of the 90’s and the only one of those that the government chose to try to spend its way out of was the 70’s and it was detrimental to ALL Americans but the other two were detrimental to SOME Americans and they survived and came back THIS will be the case this time as well!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I listen to Levin everyday, and he is one of the most brilliant
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 4:17PM EST (link)lawyers and economic/political thinkers, period.
And the perfect Rx for what ails America is a supply side stimulus of income, corp and cap gain tax cuts; weakening of the ESA; expanded oil drilling and nuke power plants; end mark to market and pave the roads near my house!
But we can’t get all that. We can get some if we compromise with the dems, but as levin says, the cost of the bill may be worse than the cure.
But, even if we didn’t Obama and the dems, the recession we have been in since late 2007 and thru today is BAD and its going to get worse and was going to no matter who got elected and no matter what we do. The issue is, can we limit it to a year or two.
Levin is actually a bit self contradictory on this because he rightly bemoans the possible inflationary effect of the bailouts but then wants to play down the crisis while trying to combat Obama’s USE of the crisis to pass marxism!
I don;t blame him, but the fact is that we are in a crisis and given that consumers are on strike and investors are on strike and that their homes are no longer an ATM, things are getting bad as we speak.
more later
btw, Jaded, I love talking to you.
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I don't buy it GC I don't see it anything more than scaremongering....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:24PM EST (link)quite like we had to have the 700B that day or the market would tank or the end of the week or the market would tank or etc etc and yet the market was quite fine until it passed and than it tanked! The same thing happened for the last 18 months the market would wait for the Fed to see if they would cut the rate and WE kept being told that it would make the market happy but everytime they cut the rate the market DROPPED!
I don’t buy into scaremongering and perhaps if any of the idiots spoke with some clarity perhaps I would listen BUT I WILL NOT lay down and cower because these fools are calling for the end of the world.
Paul Harvey today talking as the dollar said that it was hated at the beginning and eventually had respect but was spent to save the world and is now tired BUT it is resting up and will be back stronger and more powerful than ever before and I agree!
As I said earlier STOP DROP AND ROLL and get out of the way the fire will burn itself out!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
What is "it"? nt
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GC speaks standing up with clarity and courage!
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 4:40PM EST (link)And takes no cues from any scaremongers on my expectations for the economy over the next year or so. The piper must be paid for personal, business and government debt built up in the past 25 years of affluence.
These are the laws of nature. The era of the house as a commodity and ATM is over for this mainly consumer driven economy.
Now, is it possible for a non-politician that isn’t selling anything to the hearer, to “scare-monger.” I don’t think so. Although I guess I am always selling me!
As to the Paulson bailout, forget the market’s reaction. The main goals were to save the banking system and unclog the credit arteries.
They have been achieved. There is a huge re-fi boom as we speak.
But investors are still on strike as they mainly have been since the dems took power in 2006 due to expectations on taxes and regs.
A supply side stimulus would get them off strike.
more later
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The banks are hoarding money....they are NOT giving it back out the way it was intended....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:53PM EST (link)http://blogs.wsj.com/independentstreet/2008/12/09/when-will-that-bailout-money-trickle-down-exactly/
This is just one of the items I found on the net so there is much more if you go looking! So the government has bailed out the banks and in turn the banks are still letting businesses go under as they PRESERVE themselves…..they should have been allowed to fail with other banks buying them up IT IS the AMERICAN way of business!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
"Letting businesses go under" - that's a loaded phrase
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 5:46PM EST (link)Jaded,
If I go looking?
Do you not realize how much I read everyday! I Subscribe to WSJ on line.
On eof my nicknames here is “constant reader”!
Yes, I am aware of the reluctance of banks to make business loans during this recessaion.
If I go looking?
come on gal
When am I not looking?
haha
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I was against the bailout and wrote 6 columns on it in real time
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 6:34PM EST (link)and the problem you are getting at is “intended”. Too bad the law just let Paulsaon do what he wanted!. Bail out his pals.
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GC, our old mentor
GordonTaylor Sunday, January 11th at 5:07PM EST (link)Milton Friedman’s model will prevail, nothing but the Free Market will bring us out of this mess, no bailout, nothing.
Gamecock's confession re the Presidency
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 4:03PM EST (link)I have great respect for the office and given that we have only one at a time and that he is “America” to the world in a very real sense, I don’t ever want to unnecessarily harm him. The more the President is respected and the more foreigners perceive he is supported, the better.
That is a vague general statement, I know. But that is where I start.
I don’t revel in our Presidents being made to look bad for its own sake.
I was democrat for all my life until age 36 and was required to hate Reagan as a teen dem. But I’ll never forget when Reagan gave the evil empire speech and I heard some dem friends laughing.
I cursed them out.
I hate the dem bush lied crowd (the whole party but zell and joe) and I will not prospectively attack Obama.
i fully expect, and already have, disagreed with him, based on acts.
I fear for nation due to his leftism and ignorance.
But I also have hope and I pray for him. He is a human being that can learn and he is getting the learning now, and he needs help.
America needs for him to learn.
We can help him and we ought to try.
And when we can agree, we ought to say so as well.
He is the President of the United States.
[I may have a Napoleonic complex. Never was a george will worshipper of congress!]
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One last thought...
tsquare Saturday, January 10th at 1:13PM EST (link)You know what compromise has gotten the GOP in the past?
40 years in the minority
Say it again…
40 years in the minority
EVERY TIME someone brings this up the answer should be”
40 years in the minority!
40 years in the minority!
Well of course I'll give him a chance....
USNJIMRET Saturday, January 10th at 1:17PM EST (link)The exact same chance HE gave his opponents in his Senate run.
Apparently HE believes winning is all that matters, by whatever means is necessary.
So do I.
And HE will absolutely refuse to do anything that I consider part of a winning plan for my country.
it might be more effective to call him out
icbm Saturday, January 10th at 1:55PM EST (link)for acting that way than to follow his example
it would take a couple years of republicans’ consistently bringing attention to this trait of obama, but it would have a significant effect. average american voters don’t care for the win at all cost attitude. if they perceive it, they will react against it. the republicans’ job, difficult as it may be with the media as it is, is to make sure that the average voters perceive it.
The answer is "not". [nt]
bs Saturday, January 10th at 1:33PM EST (link)Decorum is fo’ suckas
Brevity is the soul of wit
tsquare Saturday, January 10th at 2:36PM EST (link)nt
"Bush Shoe Toss"
olsmithie Saturday, January 10th at 2:55PM EST (link)Striking you with shoes is an exteme insult in the MUSLIM world. (See news footage of Sadam statue being dragged away during liberation of Iraqi people.)
Odd that BO would be that classless, well not really.
Regards
Too bad killing people with suicide bombers
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 2:57PM EST (link)isn’t as frowned upon!
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Well we do know what BO has picked specifically the shoe toss...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:03PM EST (link)right?
That would be that old school thinking from his old school when growing up!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
What is this about BHO and the show toss?
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 3:44PM EST (link)I heard that maybe Colin Powell had some vile bush shoe toss on his website?
school me
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Here is the shoe toss story GC...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:49PM EST (link)http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/01/obama-site-link.html
Not unexpected from the most CLASSLESS piece of humanity that I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in my lifetime and that is saying something when you have Bill the sex freak Clinton and Jimmy the anti-semite Carter!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Give BO a chance? In a pigs eye...
olsmithie Saturday, January 10th at 3:04PM EST (link)This “bill” is not about recovering the economy, or whether they believe it will work.
It is in fast track mode because the BO Plenty crowd fears that the “Bush/Paulson” plan may actually work!
If the Obamanation doesn’t hijack the rescue quickly, and the economy turns around, the Dems will be hard pressed to be the saviors of the people. It is essential they put their fingerprints on things before any recovery occurs.
I have seen no indicaiton that BO has any clue what the ramifications of his blundering will be.
Likely it will slow recovery, even more than the Bush/Paulson stupidity. If you keep pouring gasoline on a fire , it will burn just as long as you like. (See FDR in encyclopedia.)
Regards
I know one "group" that might give Obama a chance
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 3:18PM EST (link)“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
FYI, I'm a Muslim ... and I'm not in favor of the GOP rolling over either. [nt]
Martin Knight Saturday, January 10th at 4:10PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Well I would hope not....but the magazine is correct...along with...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:17PM EST (link)leftist/marxist/liberals/Rockefeller Republicans YOU know anyone not Conservative regardless of religion however the Muslims of the Middle East are counting on his anti-semitism to flow their way and that is where the religion comes into play!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Where is the alternative to Obama's plan?
wacon Saturday, January 10th at 3:28PM EST (link)Obama’s plan shouldn’t be “given a chance”, nor should the republicans try to modify his plan to make it a little better.
They should present an alternative plan, but where is that plan?
I don’t see any repubican leader presenting one. Am I not looking in the right place? Or are they waiting to see what congress comes up with?
Here is the alternate plan STOP.....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 3:40PM EST (link)NO MORE BAILOUTS PERIOD!!!! NADA, NONE…….We have been bailing out the economy for more than a year NOTHING is happening the FREE MARKET is not being allowed to go through its pains WE have been here before GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION will not work it has never worked!
STOP DROP & ROLL get out of the way of the FIRE it will eventually burn out!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
You beat me too it!!!
izoneguy Saturday, January 10th at 3:44PM EST (link)That is what I was going to say!
STOP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW.
STFGN
Really, these politicians need to quit before they screw it
up more. 2010, 2010, 2010 - we have two years to
get the message out.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Reminiscent of Buckley's famous line in the first National Review
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, January 10th at 3:46PM EST (link)Standing athwart history yelling stop!
Next comment will be a confession.
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An Alternative Plan
olsmithie Saturday, January 10th at 3:53PM EST (link)Perhaps you would consider Bush/Paulson as a recovery plan to the financial crisis.
Personally I think it was a mistake, but that is the alternative that the GOP pitched and sold as a solution.
As you know there are no quick fixes, the Demons cannot afford to give the Bush/Paulson plan enough time to work, they must put their fingerprints on the recovery as quickly as possible to be able to claim credit for the recovery when it does come.
Regards
Obama Trading Cards by Topps.
Kenny Solomon Saturday, January 10th at 3:49PM EST (link)George Carlin: This is America. You nail two piece of wood together and some schmuck will buy it from you.
The Pet Rock, Circa 2009
The again, a legitimate company sees a defined market for a product possibility, get the needed licenses and goes for the market.
I’m torn between disgust and admiration.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Entreprenuers are the backbone of America..
olsmithie Saturday, January 10th at 4:00PM EST (link)They would, and will put Bozo the clown on a card, if there is a buck in it for them.
Oh, wait, is that a bad analogy?
Regards
Hey olsmithie how right you are...let me tell you about an entreprenuer I met today....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:12PM EST (link)His business is chasing geese…..think about that he saw a need because the geese are protected but they are a pain in the you know what and there are now mulitple chains up and down the East Coast from NY on down….they chase them from central park and they chase them from golf clubs and apartment complexes and they chase them where? to the next client of course who needs them removed from their area! BRILLIANT just BRILLIANT
God I love America!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Hey olsmithie how right you are...let me tell you about an entreprenuer I met today....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, January 10th at 4:12PM EST (link)His business is chasing geese…..think about that he saw a need because the geese are protected but they are a pain in the you know what and there are now mulitple chains up and down the East Coast from NY on down….they chase them from central park and they chase them from golf clubs and apartment complexes and they chase them where? to the next client of course who needs them removed from their area! BRILLIANT just BRILLIANT
God I love America!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Get some pigs if you want to put him out of business.
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 5:18PM EST (link)You can rent out your pigs to these places that want to get rid of the geese. The pigs range where the geese lay their eggs and before long, no geese.
We had the whole crew of an EC-135 (20+) killed when they ingested a flock of Canada Geese that were on the runway at Elmendorf. Both Anchorage International and Elmendorf brought in pigs and took care of the stay aroung geese in a couple of seasons. The migrating ones don’t stay around long enough to cause much problem.
In Vino Veritas
No kidding?
Jack_Savage Saturday, January 10th at 8:07PM EST (link)Do the pigs eat the eggs, or just root around and destroy them?
I know about twenty golf courses down here that would buy a herd of pigs in a skinny minute if they knew about this (only if the pigs didn’t root too much). Get rid of the geese and have a hell of a barbeque in two year. Excellent.
Yep the pigs eat the eggs, and you can eat the pigs
Achance Saturday, January 10th at 8:18PM EST (link)when they’re done. Ain’t nature wonderful?
It won’t help you with migrating birds, but it will keep any birds from taking up residence.
In Vino Veritas
Everybody Mad? Angry? Just plain p*ssed off?
tsquare Saturday, January 10th at 5:07PM EST (link)GOOD!
Now stay that way…
Every time you see his name
Every time you hear about him
Every time you see or hear one of our guys ‘work with him’
Get madder than hell and stay that way!
Every day he is in office is a national tragedy
Every appointment he makes is a disaster
Every law signed by him is a catastrophe
Fight him and his minions over everything… any time, any where
Go to sleep each night proud of how you fought him
Wake up each day asking only how do I fight him once again?
55555 nt
Kenny Solomon Saturday, January 10th at 5:21PM EST (link)Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Next to last post for a couple of weeks
Jack_Savage Saturday, January 10th at 8:34PM EST (link)Black Republican posted a diary which, for whatever reason, made me so furious that it actually had a negative effect on my day. I am going to take a couple of weeks to get though this hero worship posing as an inauguration by reading the conservative literature I have purchased and finishing the syllabus for the class on conservatism I vow to teach this year.
Having said that, this says it quite well for me regarding the issue of whether to give BO a “chance”:
“Fight him and his minions over everything… any time, any where
Go to sleep each night proud of how you fought him
Wake up each day asking only how do I fight him once again?”
So help me God.
savagely penultimate - nt
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Jack_Savage Saturday, January 10th at 8:38PM EST (link)Thanks for the new sig, tsquare.
Leave it up to the, heretofore... Brave... Republicans... ??
Ned Reck Saturday, January 10th at 5:37PM EST (link)Quote: “Giving Obama ‘A Chance’… Or Not ”
Are we asking this question of the elected individuals that boldly stood against the “Big Government” Medicare Prescription hand-out….?
Are we talking about those brave souls who stood in rank against rapant and rabid spending… earmarks… and other pork-barrel deals?
Are we talking about those patriots who up stood against unnecessary “Nation Building” for a group of people who hero-worships shoe-throwers?
Are we talking about those brave men and women who realized that it was wrong to provide loans to individuals who could not pay them back… and that rose up to stand against those who would call them “racists” or “bigots” for doing so… ?
Again quote: “Giving Obama ‘A Chance’… Or Not”
Obviously… you must not be asking this of the Republican Party.
“NOT” is highly unlikely… to those spineless non-conservative souls we call Republicans. With only the Rinos being true to their base. Sadly… the Republicans have been so worried for themselves individually… they have long forgotten about the American public who elected them in 1994.
Ned Reck
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.” ~ Ben Franklin
Not A Chance!
Newshound3161 Saturday, January 10th at 11:59PM EST (link)Pray tell what kind of chance the Donks gave GW when elected or EVER during the past 8 years?? Republicans & conservatives have an OBLLIGATION to oppose this president based upon what he has promised to do to overthrow our Constitutional freedoms during the campaign and those insidiously dangerous ideas found in his books and interviews given that have surfaced to tell us what the man is really all about! Every Republican should remember that the Founders expected each branch of government to be a check and balance against the others lest one should become too powerful and usurp the rights of the people. If Obama is damaged in the eyes of the world and weakened because people stand hard and fast on preserving the Constitution and hindering his administration’s ability to undermine or destroy our God given liberty, then so be it!
To oppose him in the halls of Congress on those points is exactly what we elected them to do, and I shall expect them to carry out that mandate!
Go ahead, make his day!
musial Sunday, January 11th at 9:43PM EST (link)If the nasty, give-no-quarter attitudes found here govern GOP response to our new President, you’ll soon find your minority position shrinking even more. The country has handed you your head 2 elections in a row (and not because you weren’t conservative enough). Now we’re in an economic crisis and two wars. Obama has shown a calm, responsible approach. He’s chosen widely praised mainstream nominees and has reached out to the GOP. His approval numbers are understandably sky high. If you choose to only carp and snipe, especially in support of Herbert Hoover economics, Jack Bauer foreign policy, and Karl Rove politics, then prepare to lose even more support in 2010. You’ll have richly deserved that outcome.
Bored now.
Moe Lane Monday, January 12th at 8:55AM EST (link)Note to our other Lefty lurkers: I understand that it’s hard to hide the contempt for us sometimes, but do a better job than this guy. Is that too much to ask? I don’t think that it’s too much to ask.
And, for the love of God, update the reflexive talking points a little, ‘kay? Karl Rove? Jack Bauer? Geez, next we’ll be hearing about those groundhogs/hamsters/whatever-they-were with weird teeth that liked the moon.
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izoneguy Monday, January 12th at 9:05AM EST (link)In the nasty, give-no-quarter attitudes found on most left wing blogs which governed democratic response to our 43rd President, you soon found your minority position growing even more. The country has handed to you this election (and not because you weren’t liberal enough). Now we’re in an economic crisis and two wars. Obama has shown an idiotic, marxist approach. He’s chosen widely panned left-wing nominees and has not reached out to the GOP. His approval numbers are understandably going to fall. If you choose to only carp and snipe, especially blaming Bush’s foreign policy and Karl Rove politics, then prepare to lose even more support in 2010. You’ll have richly deserved that outcome.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
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Martin Knight Monday, January 12th at 9:18AM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”