The media were too busy sending planeloads of investigators to Alaska to cover a minor story like this.

emerges a REAL problem for the Obamunist, blessed be his name, they’ll have their minions in the Lame Stream Media ramp up this issue. Then he’ll reveal the “real” BC, thereby ending this for all time. But he’ll still hide the application for Occidental College, because that might contain some embarrassing info.

Either Obama, the one, is allowing this to continue to fester so that he can make this a big deal later to show the big bad “haters” are extremists. That way he has inoculated himself from further scrutiny of his background.

Or

The one really does have a problem with eligibility issues and hopes that being in office will enable him to escape the constitutional requirements. In fact hoping that, as a nation, we would never remove a sitting President from office because of a little itty bitty issue like constitutional birth requirements.

as some kind of poltical device are deluded, at best.

There is no birth certificate, he was not born in Hawaii, and the “birth certificate” that he produced is a poorly crafted fake. Just like him.

If you want to debate on issues, That’d be awesome.

Don’t like his budget? Great!

Don’t like his economic policy? Great!

Think he wasn’t born as a US Citizen? You’re an idiot.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

I’m not posting these because they agree with me, I’m posting these because they explain everything in detail.

It IS possible that this is a fake, but all the evidence is to the contrary.

Plus, Don’t you think that if they really wanted to fake it, they’d do it so no one had any idea? make it perfect? Why would the worlds strongest government do a shitty job at recreating a document that they already create daily?

never was a conspiracy person, however; once I really focused on the subject and did plenty of research, he is in no way a natural born citizen even with the birth certificate. The legal adoption by Barry Sotero takes care of that. I am for getting the guy out no matter what it takes. I think Joe Biden is too stupid to do much damage.

The Obamessiah is supposed to be so transparent & could put this to bed by opening all of his documents to PUBLIC scrutiny, not Snopes, Kos, & fact check.org. McCain had to deal with this issue over his birth in Panama to US citiizens that could pass on US Citizenship in what was at the time of his birth US sovereign territory. If the Dear Leader is in fact eligible beyond a reasonable doubt then hope for the best that he does the least amount of damage possible.

If not, I am a Naturalized United States Citizen & a Veteran of the United States Military, this to me is a serious issue. I took an oath to support & defend the Constitution of the United States TWICE, once to officially become an American, & also to serve in her defense. This is a serious issue because there are lawsuits lining up Military members as plaintiffs as to his status, & they face the very real prospect of Courts Martial & punishments that goes with it for questioning his bona fides as POTUS. The left bellyached & moaned over when the military was primarily draftees with no choices, & now with their arguments with an all VOLUNTEER force they would pounce at the opportunity of saying the most respected institution in this country is in the early stages of mutiny in their eyes.

If he is truly qualified to be POTUS, he owes to those who will be put in harm’s way. I lived in NYC when the towers came down & I despise the “Truthers” that claim it was an inside job, but never paid attention in or took a basic physics class. My gut tells me he has something embarassing, but unfortunately not disqualifying.

However, I believe the Natural Born requirement should be adhered to, god forbid Schwarzenegger got a chance at the Presidency.

just go to youtube and do a search and watch document experts rip it to shreads.

That bush didn’t respond to 9/11 truthies.

I don’t know about conspiracy theories or any other reason he shouldn’t be POTUS; however when something so simple can not be answered my antennae goes up. My guess if there is a problem it’s that there may be a reference to him as Kenyan, Muslim, our some other reference that would be “embarrassing”.

Please read my more detailed comments on this at:

http://www.redstate.com/paul_murphy/

In brief:

An American birth certificate would establish American citizenship at birth. However:

1 - the constitutional requirement that the president be a natural born citizen is not met merely by American birth. If his father was Mr. Obama Sr, then he’s not a natural born citizen.

(And, No, the 14th amendment has nothing to say about this.)

If, however, his birth certificate gives his father as an American - say Mr. Davis- he would be natural born, and he’d have an obvious explanation for his failure to produce his birth certificate. (and, less obviously, and explanation for his ability to enter and stay in expensive private schools from Hawaii to L.A., Boston and Chicago)

2 - His mother married in Indonesia and sent him to an approved school there. Neither would have been possible unless she formally renounced her American citizenship and that of any dependent children first.

We have no record that he ever availed himself of the opportunity allowed by law to reclaim his American citizenship after his return to the United States.

Thus the most likely reality is that he’s actually an illegal alien.

As far as I know he has no defence on this - and so the suspicion arises (but note that there’s no factual evidence) that he’s withholding a legal birth certificate for release if/when his status becames a public issue just so he can tar all the eligibilists (!) with one brush (off).

If Obama came out and SAID he was born in Kenya, it would not matter. No court would overturn the election. This Congress certainly would not impeach he. There are plenty of other things to focus on.

For that mattter, technically, Hillary should not be Sec of State. Check the emoluments clause.

They so totally shredded the credibility of a certain reporter with another fake document that purported to be a true reflection of actual events, that Fearless Leader was unwilling to present them with something similar. It’s not that it’s really fake you understand. It’s just that the actual original was lost in an unfortunate shipping accident when he lost hand contact with the truck beside him as he was walking from Kenya to Indonesia.

trying to draw attention away from this topic? We’ve got at least three on one post all trying to do that.

It’s as if they’re lying in wait for certain topics to come up so they can spew how terrible we are for even discussing it.

kchand, nobody is spending all that much time on this topic. It crops up and we’re reminded once in awhile that it’s still an viable topic but open your eyes and look around at all the other things that we discuss that are the here and now. If you don’t like this particular topic no one is twisting your arm to comment here. Ignore it and move on.

because his mother was a U.S. citizen at his birth, and prior to his birth and she resided five years in the United States, two years of which were after she was 14 years old. It is a non issue unless however, one is prepared to argue that the Immigration and Nationality Act is unconstitutional.

This is not something we should focus on, IMHO.

If anything, the focus on his birth certificate should be based around the fact that every other candidate for the Presidency before him had to produce it to the baying of the Press Corps.

Every other candidacy for the Presidency also had to let the world have a peek at his medical and academic records. McCain did.

Obama did not.

Let’s focus on that stuff instead if documents are what we’re after.

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Without the birth record issue as insurance, how would the Democrats have any lever to release an untested, inexperienced President (with a radical background to boot) from his duties if push came to shove and Obama proved a loose cannon or decided to jump the rails of his party’s handlers? If Obama causes real harm to the party, any grounds to impeach him other than a constitutional breach would cause Democrats massive voter reprisals from the demographic upon which their party is dependent.

Harping on it just makes us look like the Ron Paul supporters.

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What ever came of the un authorized break in to the state department and who got into Obama’s passport files back in July last year. Does anyone remember that? Condoleeza Rice made a public apology, ect., but were papers removed or added and who was behind the break in?

Under US immigration law, the determination of the child’s status as a US Citizen is different as to whether it is the mother or the father clainng the status. It basically comes down to who gets pregnant. Honestly.

If the citizenship is claimed through the mother — as is the case here — it is automatic. You know its her kid, she was heavily involved in the birth, to be a bit blunt.

If if the citizenshi is claimed through the dad — Dad must acknowledge paternity before the child is 18.

There is NO restriction that I am aware of that the President cannot be a dual citizen. In this case, natural born US citizen through Mother and then whatever the laws of Kenya apply with regard to his father.

My take — the Republicans need to drop this. There are so many more things of substance to attack him on. Harping on the birth certificate just makes us look like the Democrats who complained about Bush being “appointed” by the US Supreme Court. We have better things to do with our time and resources.

Winston Churchilll, on reaching his majority, could have claimed American citizenship based upon his mother’s citizenship. However, he undetook a course of action that rendered him ineligible. first, he served in the British Army. second, he participated in British elections. Third, he ran for and won a seat in Parlement

I don’t think anything is going to be done to roll back Obama’s election based on the citizenship issue. The Courts are making themselves pretty clear that the issue is moot.

But it seems to me that this should be addressed at the State level and that a Secretary of State of any particular state should be allowed or perhaps required by State Law to satisfy himself that a candidate for a particular office meets the Constitutional Requirements of that office before that candidate’s name is placed on the State ballot.

We need to get the law changed in a few purplish red states before 2011 so that the Secreatary of State is required to keep Obama off the ballot if he does not produce satisfactory proof of eligibility.

Obama is too big to fail now as far as this issue is concerned. Hey, i’d like it to be true, have him exposed as a fraud and have a do-over. However, reality says if it is true it will never be revealed. TPTB do not want to face the ramifications.

Although, I hope this continues as long as there is some merit.

He could have just released his records and been done with it. I don’t think the Obama camp has planned this whole flap.

It is real sad that in America we can’t ask candidates to put proof out in public as condition to running for the highest office in the land.

reprecussions, to wit:
For discussions sake
If he was inelegible to take Oath of Office,
he was then inelegible to :
Have Joe biden as VP - He resigned his Senate seat
Have Hillary Clinton as SecState - She resigned her Senate seat.
Have Tim Geithner as SecTreas - All bailout oversight authority gone

All of this would be RETROACTIVE!!!!
If you think things are a mess now, this would just destroy EVERYTHING.

All laws signed, especially bailout, would have to be rebrokered.

Dems would be so shamed into submission for complicity over this that they would never win another office for generations. GOP would roll everything back to ground zero, tell the Dems to shut up and sit in the corner and speak when spoken to.

But best of all, the MSM would simply implode. No manufacturer would ever want their product associated with an MSM organization ever again.

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