Trevor Hill owns what was once a blighted, rundown building in Knoxville, Tennessee. Hill has upgraded and repaired the building and built a restaurant there that he’s christened The Hill restaurant. It’s a full service restaurant and that means it is to serve alcohol. And that last fact seems to be causing a conflict with the folks that own the neighboring building: the Anoor mosque.
Apparently one of the mosque board members, Nadeem Sidiqqi, is upset that an American property owner could possibly serve alcohol in his own business. Sidiqqi thinks he should be able to tell the owner of The Hill restaurant that he shouldn’t be allowed to serve alcohol so close to his mosque. He thinks that the city should invent a law that would mandate a “buffer zone” so that his religious tenets can be enforced on his neighbors. Sidiqqi wants to prevent neighboring property owners from doing as they wish with their own property.
So, is this America or Saudi Arabia?
To illegitimize Sidiqqi’s concerns further, the entrance of the mosque is on a different street than that of the restaurant, though the buildings are 191 feet apart. The mosque-goers wouldn’t even be confronted with restaurant customers.
Folks, this is America. If we live in a city that allows alcohol — and not every American city does, to be sure — then there is no reason a property owner should be allowed to stop a neighboring business from serving alcohol over religious reasons.
The mosque’s adherents don’t have to serve alcohol to its fellows on their own property, certainly. But they have no right to interfere with a neighbor’s legal business venture. If the Muslims in the Anoor mosque don’t like their neighbors they have every right to sell their property and move their church to another location that is more to their liking.
We are not living in Saudi Arabia.
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Right or not, there are laws prohibiting alcohol
Achance (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 8:53AM EDT (link)serving or selling establishments near churchs all over the Country.
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I realize that
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 9:09AM EDT (link)But those laws do NOT exist where this mosque decided to set up shop!
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I would think that
arel Monday, April 6th at 9:20AM EDT (link)since it is a state law it would apply every where in TN. However, the county has the right to shorten the distance between establishment and church because when we owned a gas station we were with in 100 ft of a church and couldn’t sell beer. That was a county law and the distance was less than that of the state law.
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Since it is 191 feet away
Steph C (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 9:33AM EDT (link)it would seem the restaurant meets the buffer zone requirements.
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I will not just concede your point as truth,
briefsynopsis (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:02AM EDT (link)please post proof of this law (laws).
Your shotgun blast statement of fact without backup is BS!
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Go die. Do your own research. nt
Achance (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:23AM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
No, no, no
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:28AM EDT (link)No, no, no. Say it like this:
“Go die, please.”
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Achance (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:34AM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
Go Die?!?
briefsynopsis (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 1:52PM EDT (link)Having spent the better part of the last 26 years in nearly every middle east country, and just a few ours away from departing for that area again, I will assure you that these people have no respect for “non-Muslims” they will tolerate, they will accept as useful, they will even employ and co-join in business ventures.
I think I am in a pretty good position to say that this article as it is written merely reveals the tip of the Iceberg, there will be no rest until alcohol, pork, and non Muslims are either eradicated, or fully under their control.
you made a statement that there are laws forbidding alcohol sales near churches all over the country, drugs I will concede, but Alcohol?
I call throw the BS flag, tell me to go die (childish and petty I think) if you must, but defending your statements with passion and conviction is preferred to infantile playground retorts.
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Yes, go die and I don't care what you've done.
Achance (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 1:57PM EDT (link)Practically every municipality in the Country licenses the sale of alcohol and restricts when and where it can be served, including its sale in proximity to schools and churchs.
You call BS on me when half the thread is people talking about such restrictions in their community and expect me to take it well. Only the site rules got you a mere “go die.”
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briefsynopsis...educate yourself...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:02PM EDT (link)start here
Really, if you are going to try and call Art out at least have the facts.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Not to mention you're arguing a point that isn't at issue in this particular article.
Steph C (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:18PM EDT (link)But an issue for other times. Many of us are well aware of what you speak and challenging Achance on something by muddying the waters with the extraneous doesn’t work.
Considering you’ve spent so much time in the Middle East, I suppose you could use that as an excuse for what is pretty much common knowledge here in the states when it comes to liquor licenses and the like but not doing research on your own and expecting to be hand fed because of it is not.
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Well, having spent the last 21 years in the US of A...
Gyorc Nacain Tuesday, April 7th at 3:32AM EDT (link)…and therefore finally being of the age that alcohol-related laws actually matter, Achance is definitely right (about liquor laws, not about who should or should not die).
Back when Enron Field (now Minute Maid Park, where the Astros play) was being constructed, there was a brouhaha because it was near a church, which wanted to prevent the park from ever serving beer. Eventually they got around it via a loophole (putting the official entrance to the park on the other side of the building where it fell outside the radius). This according to my possibly-inaccurate memory, but the point is such laws do exist, and are common.
On the other side of TN
mbauer (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 9:00AM EDT (link)In Memphis, there are a few church’s within say, a few blocks of Beale Street (and other bars densely packed all around). It didn’t have a negative impact on my membership, or my wedding.
Speaking of weddings and bars
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 9:16AM EDT (link)A friend’s wedding was in a church across the street from a bar, and when the couple came to the alter all the hammered groomsmen threw rice at them. Bit of a scene, he said.
Maybe THAT’S what they are worried about..
I doubt a business can "just serve alcohol" anywhere
weave (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 9:33AM EDT (link)While every state is different, in my state one can’t serve alcohol in their business without getting a liquor license, and that has to go through a public hearing process. From the article, it appears Knoxville is similar.
Recently a Hooters tried to open in my area. The local civic association opposed the liquor license application. One of the reasons they gave was that it was in the same shopping center as an ATA Karate school. They ultimately lost and Hooters got the license, but for the first six months it was open it was barred from alcohol sales while their liquor license was being challenged.
The owners of the mosque are just exercising their rights to oppose a planned liquor license. I just pray the Knoxville Beer Board makes a decision that is consistent with their previous decisions and the laws of the area.
Property rights?
dt (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:12AM EDT (link)As has been said elsewhere in the comments, business owners do not have a “right” to serve alcohol on their property. They must have a license to do so, and in this area, the “local beer ordinance establishes a 300-foot buffer zone around churches and other similar institutions for a beer permit but waives the requirement if the establishment is granted a liquor license by the state of Tennessee.” Your headline is misleading as is your take on the article. Out of curiosity , would you have written on this article or linked to it if this was a Christian church attempting to block the liquor license?
No need for the inuendo against the author's motives
civil truth (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:02PM EDT (link)At first I thought that Nadeem was trying to get a permit revoked, but the article indicates that the restaurant owner is trying to get a permit, which is a public process.
So long as Nadeem is following the law regarding public comment on liquor licenses, then I don’t see a problem. If he starts employing pressure tactics or accuses the owner of bigotry or some other extralegal tactic, then he needs to be exposed for what he’s doing. But so far, I don’t read anything that says he’s crossed the line.
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I have to agree
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:17PM EDT (link)I think this is out of line. A religious leader is fighting against a restaurant near his place of worship receiving a liquor license. This happens every day in the US. Let me know when he tries to ban women wearing tube tops entering this restaurant, or when his congregation (is that the right word for a Mosque?) starts intimidating restaurant goers.
Islam discourages self-control
redherkey Monday, April 6th at 10:26AM EDT (link)As I understand Islam, it cannot function without the symbolic, non-intrinsic gestures expressed in the control of others. A Muslim cannot be whole as long as a non-Muslim cartoonist draws pictures in any variety of sorts that might disparage the god, apparently instantiating him on paper and destroying him. A Muslim cannot stay calm if the image of Piglet is present. A Muslim cannot be stable and avoid turning into a violent sexual predator if a women is clothed with anything less than head to toe concealment. Alcohol cannot be resisted when it is present and others, especially non-believers, must be forced to hide its presence in entire neighborhoods around where a Muslim might be present. Indeed, every demonstration of faith and the resistance from temptation cannot possibly be carried out in the mind of the Muslim. Instead, others must be made to remove those temptations regardless of their faith because a Muslim is took weak, too cowardly to grapple with his faith directly.
One can see why it is hard to take this as a valid religion, as it requires no practice and self-discipline from its male worshippers. It actually relaxes any attempts to control onesself, encouraging its men to attack others (reverting to a natural brutish state), treat women as insubordinate meat, have sex with children and carry out violent acts against others. Reasonable persons would regard Islam as non-religion because it encourages a male brute and removes all requirements that he exercise self control.
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Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:57AM EDT (link)Long List of Freedoms Gone
jimmuy8 (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 10:41AM EDT (link)This is just another addition to the long list of freedoms that we have let go, re: laws to restrict activities some don’t agree with.
Seems too often too many of the “conservatives” have no problem with committing the sin of taking away a man’s choice.
I can tell the depth of the conservative commitment to freedom through the support of measures to restrict activities they don’t agree with. When a county that is 75% registered Republican can vote 60%+ to tell restaurants owners whether or not the owners can allow smoking inside, that tells you something.
“But, that’s smoking, no one wants to smell smoke while they are eating. Sure it’s not my house but, I have a right (pounds table) to enjoy my meal when I go out to eat.”
Or how about support to zone sexually oriented businesses out of business?
“But that’s those dirty perverts, who cares? They could never change the zoning and run me out of business.”
Sure, right. Keep telling yourself that. Supreme Court has already addressed that. Guess who lost? The property owner. City gave him 5 years to shut down where he was and move and the robes said, “That’s reasonable, fair.” Kelo was just the frosting on a cake that’s already 7/8 eaten.
The machinery of government has been turned against us. We must get inside and turn it around.
As to the original post: Dollars to donuts you will find a so-called Republican council member or P&Z board member who will introduce and/or support a measure to expand the buffer to 200 feet (w/ no grandfather clause). “For the children” or “the morals of the community” or some other such nonsense. And it will all be perfectly constitutional.
"Blue Laws" long predate "big government"
Achance (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 11:03AM EDT (link)There’s still a lot of towns in America that would rather see themselves with no restaurants and their citzenry trading in the next town than allow those evil drinkers to have a place to congregate – other than the Country Club, which seems always to serve liquor. My hometown in Georgia doesn’t have a single establishment in the city limits where you can get a glass of wine with a meal or which sells a mixed drink, except of course, the Country Club. But, it is a short drive to the neighboring towns which have far fewer boarded up storefronts.
I don’t know what came of it but they were fighting about Blue Laws and Sunday bar hours laws in ATLANTA this year! Atlanta pretends to be a big league city though I think the only thing it leads in any more is the number of strip joints downtown, yet they’re still fighting about Blue Laws. They used to prohibit the Big Box stores from opening until noon on Sunday. I always figured if the churches feared competition from K-mart, they had some serious other problems.
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Here the adjacent store
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:14PM EDT (link)that sells liquor is closed on Sundays. I like to buy my 2L of Coke there because it’s already cold but I can’t on Sunday. OK don’t flame me for shopping on Sunday, I know it’s a no no!
Please bring campaign to Utah next
MattW Monday, April 6th at 1:56PM EDT (link)Alcohol is only sold via state-run liquor stores (expect beer in grocery stores, which is restricted in Alcohol % by volume). There are many laws restricting what restaurants can serve and how. For example, I cannot enjoy a flight of Whiskey or Grand Marnier after a meal, because of restrictions on the numbers of glasses that can be served. Bartenders must walk drinks around the counter at the bar in restaurants due to restrictions on the service of food and alcohol.
I could go on.
You get one guess as to what the unary influence resulting in this policy is.
What’s good for one religion is good for another, no?
(And to be clear, I don’t approve of purely religious reasons affecting any secular law)
Well I'm just looking at the can of worms that was opened
robmikpet (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:28PM EDT (link)and one can see how this issue revolves around the macro issue of regualting morality.
My two cents worth deals with man and law. For a society to operate in the manner Mark Levin calls “ordered liberty” laws should be clear, concise and as few as possible. That should include zoning laws and other regulatory regimes.
If the restaurant was there first too bad to the mosque (or church or synagogue) The serving of alcohol “next to” or in close proximity to a place of worship will have no affect on religious liberty. Making this restautant owner stop serving alcohol negatively impacts his economic liberty. I would hold the same view if the opposite was to occur (restaurant opens close to existing church)
I often use the theory of Occam’a Razor and it may not be appropriate in this case but sometimes common sense can prevail.
I applaud Warner’s post because it is important that as a society we weigh in on these debates. If you look at what has happened in parts of Denmark it is something to be aware of.
I wonder if there is a gray area in that law here
bk (Diary) Monday, April 6th at 2:43PM EDT (link)Looking at google maps (insert disclaimers), it appears that the 191 feet must be as the crow flies door to door. Not sure what the little side street does, but if you have to walk down sidewalks on the two main streets to go from one to the other it looks like several hundred feet.
BTW I wonder if the guy serves any pork dishes.
Don't most communities have zoning laws
modgopgal Tuesday, April 7th at 2:41AM EDT (link)that prohibit certain establishments from being built next to churches, schools, libraries, or elder care facilities? I would imagine it is illegal, for instance, to build a liquor store, adult video store, or strip club next to a church, school, or public library. How is this case different? Is it because this is a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol as one of the many services it provides while a liquor store is built to exclusively sell alcohol?
In The Peoples Republic of Michigan,
gekster (Diary) Tuesday, April 7th at 2:48AM EDT (link)Bars, or liquour establishments have to be at least 500 feet from any Church.
No Synagogs or Mosques are mentioned in the law, unless religious establishment means those two.
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