An Intolerance for Southern Culture


The last discrimination allowable.

In July of 2008 a national hotel chain manager had a man arrested for displaying a Confederate flag in his hotel room window in Concord, North Carolina. It happened that Concord’s Wingate Inn had booked guests that had come to participate in the annual convention for an organization known as the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), a group that celebrates family ties to that Confederate service of 145 years ago. To be sure the hotel manager knew full well that every guest would be displaying Confederate flags everywhere they went. On shirts, on book bags, on posters, on their cars these dozens of guests had Confederate flags on display. Little flags, medium sized flags, and big flags filled the hotel.

Yet hotel management called the cops on this one guy.

So, what happened? Why did this hotel manager imagine he had the right to force just this one guy, Basil D. Childress of Kentucky, to pull down his flag while ignoring all the others? Why were the police idiotic enough to actually arrest the non-violent and perfectly compliant hotel guest instead of telling the hotel manager that he was acting foolishly?

One can only explain this idiocy by realizing that if there is one segment of society that it is OK to mistreat, it’s white, male, southerners. The social stigma against mistreating any other segment of society is so harsh as to prevent even the smallest example, even a whiff of a perception of it, from surviving for any longer than it takes to gasp in horror and point accusingly in its direction. Whole federal agencies, rafts of legal copy, and entire professions have been created to ferret out discrimination for every tiniest minority. But for southern, white, males no respect in law, education or government exists. In fact, an offhandedness, a sideways glance, and a sneer is nearly a mandatory reaction when the words white, male and southern are uttered in tandem.

Some may view this as pay back for years of assumed superiority. But in a society that proclaims its pride of equality, one at last properly achieved, it rings hollow to say that no one should ever be oppressed and hated merely over heritage and yet wallow in hate for all white, male, southerners for theirs.

The study of the Civil War fascinates as much now as it ever did, maybe even more so. More books about the war are published each year these days than ever before. Lincoln, Gettysburg, the other great battles and the Confederacy are subjects that Americans seemingly can’t get enough of. People dress as folks from the Civil War and put on miniature passion plays throughout the year in National Parks and local parks all across the nation and cable shows are produced by the dozens exploiting this history. The war has gone from military, to political, to cultural in focus and research and there is no end in sight.

While it seems that we have let the past become little more than a hobby for Civil War enthusiasts on the one hand, we have revived the old hatreds — or never let them die — on the other. It may be interesting and culturally acceptable to be a Civil War hobbyist but something else again happens if it becomes known that you are an actual relative of a Confederate soldier. Worse happens when you announce you’d like to honor that history.

When the folks from the SCV booked the Wingate Inn, they never imagined that any trouble would come of it. And, for a while, none did. Still, this lone discrimination reared its head nonetheless. It is happening all over. Just last week I reported on an incident in Alabama where a city councilman felt it was OK for him to trespass on graves and to commit destruction of private property because he claimed to be “offended” over tiny C.S. flags on graves over 100 years old.

And today a report from Mississippi shows the battle again heating up between “civil rights” leaders and recognition of Confederate Memorial Day. In this report we get such illogical statements such as those from Mississippi NAACP president Derrick Johnson.

“It is a remnant of Mississippi’s segregated past,” Johnson said. “Could you imagine Israel celebrating Hitler day or Nazi day?”

Historical illiteracy such as Johnson’s is lamentable — after all, Jews were not “Nazis” so they wouldn’t celebrate things Nazi in the first place even with the Holocaust aside — but it does show that discrimination against southern whites is the last acceptable form of racism in America today.

Certainly we must not forget the ideological genesis of the Civl War. We similarly must not forget the racism of Jim Crow, and the resulting triumph of the Civil rights movement. But by applying reverse discrimination (for lack of a better term) and forcibly removing our heritage from public view we do not educate, we enflame. Worse, we make the lie to all the claims of “equality” that a balanced and informed society holds dear.

Confederate Memorial Day will be celebrated throughout the south in the coming weeks. Let us resolve to honor that history in every way, let us educate about it not just hide our history from view.

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It's worse than that...

kyle8 Tuesday, April 28th at 6:23AM EDT (link)

What’s worse than being a white southern male?

Being a white, conservative, Christian, heterosexual southern male.

I am the most hated of all.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Perhaps this class could be added to the hate crime bill

olsmithie Tuesday, April 28th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

But then, maybe not.

The same bunch that hijacked the civil rights movement for fun and (large,very large), profit have redefined the meaning of the old south.
The textbooks spend chapters on slavery and a paragraph on states rights and a sentence on the Tariff Act.

They are not rewriting history, it is already rewritten.

No wonder your neighbor of color or some northerner gets offended by the symbols of the Old South. They have no idea what they really mean.

They have no family stories or interest in southern history to offset their “formal” education.

They are programmed, (I have taught out of the textbooks like I mention,) that the war was entirely to preserve slavery, implying that the guy with the flag must hate black people and want to bring back slavery, none of which is true.

Political correctness has triumphed again.

Regards

 

throw in smoker too

JoeG Tuesday, April 28th at 10:20AM EDT (link)
 

Respect other cultures

andyd Tuesday, April 28th at 7:43AM EDT (link)

We are constantly told we should respect other cultures. When dealing with terrorist, we should try to understand where they come from and what their point of view is. However, that same mentality breaks down when confronted with Southern or Christian heritage.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

– John Adams

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What Civil Rights Movement?

papalee Tuesday, April 28th at 7:54AM EDT (link)

It was a fraud from beginning to end which is proven by the continued discrimination against not just Southern white males but whites and especially white males in every state in the nation. It is the only form of discrimination which still has something of a blessing from the Supreme Injustices and which both Bush I and II committed the Justice Department to plead for in front of the Supreme Court.

There was a reason that the Confederate Battle flag was the symbol of the struggle for freedom and individual liberty in the captive states of the old Soviet empire. It is still the symbol of the struggle for real freedom from “Progressive” style collectivism in this country.

It's becoming a crime

DerKrieger Tuesday, April 28th at 7:58AM EDT (link)

…to be white in Europe as well. Multi-culti political correctness has truly run amok over there. You can actually go to jail in several countries for speaking ill of minorities.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Ill nothing! How about just for speaking the truth.

papalee Tuesday, April 28th at 4:09PM EDT (link)

The latest case heard by the Supremes is so much to the point. New Haven wasn’t willing to promote anyone if there were not black to be promoted. The wonder is that the white firemen had the temerity to be offended and the courage to find lawyers so that they could sue.

 
 
 

My family

DerKrieger Tuesday, April 28th at 7:57AM EDT (link)

…has an interesting Civil War history. We were, and still are, a border family with members of the family in northern Arkansas and southern Missouri so we had family members on both sides of the war. My g-g-g-gf was a Union soldier. His aunt had six sons, three Union soldiers and three Confederate soldiers. The three Confederate sons didn’t survive the war but all three Union sons did. All in all I think there were 15-20 men in my family in the war.

Kyle - add redneck to your list and you’ve got a prime target for mockery.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

I had

Warner Todd Huston Tuesday, April 28th at 8:29AM EDT (link)

I had family on both sides, too. Some Virginians/Kentuckians on one side and then some from Ohio for the northern effort.

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A Great many of us did

Raven Tuesday, April 28th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

And at the time, my family was Deep South. Texas and Mississippi and such. And Still we had a family split over which side to support.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

ooops

Warner Todd Huston Tuesday, April 28th at 11:38AM EDT (link)

Raven…See my reply below. I hit the wrong stupid reply button!

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If Jeff Foxworthy spoke as he does

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 8:50AM EDT (link)

of any other ethnicity, he’d be under the jail instead of a multimillionaire. Try substituting any other ethnicity for “redneck” in a Foxworthy joke and see what happens to you.

Proud member of Sons of Confederate Veterans, Gen. John Bell Hood Camp 1208. Lineally descended from:
John M. Chance, Pvt. 51st Georgia Volunteer Infantry Regiment, Semmes Brigade, I Corps (Longstreet), Army of Northern Virginia
Joseph L. Sherrod, Sgt., Co. H, 48th GVIR, KIA, July 30, 1864, Petersburg, Virginia, Wrights’s Brigade, Anderson’s Division, III (Hill’s) Corps, ANV
Amos Riner, Pvt., Co. F, 48th GVIR, Wright’s Brigade, Anderson’s Division, Hill’s Corps, ANV
Robert Curl, Pvt. 49th GVIR, (I) Longstreet’s Corps, ANV

(I’m failing my Southern upbringing since I can’t remember all thecompanies, brigades, and divisions at 4:30 AM and I’m too lazy/sleepy to go look it up.)

In Vino Veritas

Depends if he was one or not.

naraht Tuesday, April 28th at 9:06AM EDT (link)

In that regard at least it’s somewhat fair. He, Eddie Murphy and Karen Maruyama can do ethnic jokes of their own ethnicity, but not others.

No, whites don't get a pass to tell "white" jokes,

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 9:51AM EDT (link)

only “redneck” jokes.

In Vino Veritas

Not surprising at all

Warner Todd Huston Tuesday, April 28th at 11:37AM EDT (link)

It really isn’t surprising at all your family history. The “South” was NEVER very united on the whole idea of a Confederacy. Every single Southern state gave thousands of troops to the north. Yet very few Northern states gave any large number of troops to the south. Even the border states all gave far more of their sons to the Northern cause than the Southern.

Texas had major internal troubles, Georgia had large areas that the South couldn’t control, No. Carolina did, Tennessee did… heck Virginia lost half a state over its internally divided loyalties.

On the other hand, the North had some lukewarm Copperheads in sympathy with the South and little else of note.

So, it is not odd at all to have family that all lived in the South but still fought over which side to support.

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It's not that simple, WTH:

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 12:27PM EDT (link)

In most Southern states, all men of military age were in the militia as a matter of law and thus under the command of the Governor/Adjutant General. The CSA instituted conscription on 4 March 1862, and from that time all men were exempt (very few), in the Provisional Army of the Confederate States, or evading the draft. Most served. Conscription was for “three years or The War.” You could theoretically buy a substitute but it had to be a man who was fit but exempt on some other ground and substitutes were expensive and rare. Consequently, much of The South was devoid of White men who weren’t either very young or very old except for some small organized military units that were under the command of the CSA’s departments. These were too often sinecures for the unscrupulous who abused their power and position. Likewise, the Home Guards were often sinecures for the well connected and unscupulous. The Home Guard as well as Provost Marshall portrayal in Cold Mountain is perhaps too rich an amalgam, but the sort of behavior exhibited was all too common in much of The South. There were regions that were unionist, e.g., Appalachia, and there were regions that were lawless and which were the province of deserters and criminals. There were also powerful differences between CS State governments and the Provisional Government of the Confederate States, e.g., Joe Brown of Georgia often seemed more at odds with Jefferson Davis than with Abraham Lincoln.

In The North, enlistments were for six months or a year and once the enlistment expired the man was not liable for service again. US conscription did not begin until July 1863. One of Lee’s stated reasons for advancing into Pennsylvania in June/July ‘63 is that so many US enlistments were expiring that US manpower would be at a lower level and morale among men about to leave the service would be low.

Conscription was met with riots in The North, most notably in New York, where the riots had to be put down with troops fresh from Gettysburg. The US Conscription system was riddled with exemptions and was patently unfair. First, a man’s duty to serve could be commuted for a payment of $50, a sum unobtainable to a working man but easily met by the better off. It was very common for the economic leaders of a county to simply pay the commutation fee to satisfy the entire requisition of men from a county. Money obtained from commutation and other sources was then used to pay recruiting bouties and men were recruited off the immigrant ships and in the immigrant communities as well as being actively recruited in Europe and Great Britain, particularly in Ireland and Germany. By ‘64, the easter Army of the Potomac was so heavily immigrant that the Confederates referred to it as The Hessians. Also, regiments, which were county based in both the North and South, that recruited “contraband” slaves to the US Colored Troops could use those recruitments to offset the requisition from their home county. The Official Record is replete with formal written complaints from officers regarding the abuses in recruiting to the USCT. Sherman and Thomas’ western armies did not use the USCT, but the always short of manpower AOTP made heavy use of the USCT, where they were happy to have them as cannon fodder, see, e.g., the attack on The Crater. Likewise, the movie “Glory” notwithstanding, the USCT attack on Batter Wagner though crazy brave on the part of the troops was simple murder on the part of inexperienced, ideological officers.

In any event, after the second year of The War, relatively few native-born Northern men served in the AOTP, which army endured the staggering casualties of the Overland Campaign. Sherman’s Army of the Tennessee, was almost exclusively native-born but mostly from the rural areas of the Old Northwest which had relatively little political influence.

In any event, even though a relatively small proportion of Northern men were serving in the Union armies, morale in the eastern army was desperately bad by ‘64 and civilian will was so low that Lincoln fully expected electoral defeat in Nov. ‘64. The Democrats nominated McClellan and ran on a peace platform. It is impossible to speculate what might have happened with a Democrat victory, but suffice it to say it would have been different from what transpired with a Lincoln victory. It is fair to say that only Sherman’s victories in Georgia in the fall of ‘64 saved the Lincoln Presidency.

Nonetheless, I do agree that there never was a notion of Confederate nationhood during the life of the Confederacy. The Southern “nationhood” that still exists today, is the product of Reconstruction and a century of Northern repression and economic exploitation. But, The North was by no means united and it was not the Confederate States that suspended habeas corpus, censored news, imposed martial law, and imprisoned or exiled protestors in order to maintain control of its territory.

In Vino Veritas

All your

Warner Todd Huston Tuesday, April 28th at 9:57PM EDT (link)

All your information was interesting. But, you just cannot get around the fact that the Southern states gave thousands… I mean thousands… of troops to the North. And this did NOT start just because of conscription after 1862. It began to happen from the very beginning. And you simply cannot ascribe to mere Confederate conscription laws the fact that large swaths of the “Confederacy” never agreed to Confederate authority, had internecine wars and caused home state authorities all manner of trouble. Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, W. Vir., every southern state had major internal troubles.

I do agree that conscription rules angered people even more in the south, but it simply was not the main cause. The main problem was a complete lack of national purpose.

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You know, WTH, you're a front page guy; I bow before your wisdom.

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 10:47PM EDT (link)

It really isn’t worth the effort to argue with you.

In Vino Veritas

Count me as a member of the fan club, too.

Vladimir Tuesday, April 28th at 10:57PM EDT (link)

As an old boss of mine used to say, “You bring ‘em books, and they eat ‘em.”

There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that it is generally adopted. - Arthur Schopenhauer

 

Achance

Warner Todd Huston Wednesday, April 29th at 7:21AM EDT (link)

Sorry to seem overly combative (I have a penchant for it, unfortunately… ask my wife).

I was jess sayin’ ya know?

LOL

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But you also seem to be dismissing Achance's point

Raven Wednesday, May 6th at 10:29AM EDT (link)

Although Achance wasn’t particularly clear about his point.

The South Did give thousands of troops to the North.
The South Did have unending internecine strife.

The North argued from the beginning about whether they should fight at all or just let the South go and had Tens of thousands of deserters and tens of thousands more draft dodgers, from the very beginning.
The North Stifled the very same internecine strife the South experienced by enacting very restrictive laws and policies, like suspending Habeas Corpus, censoring news, imprisoning protesters and imposing Martial Law.

They both had the same internal problems, for the most part, with the North just having an extra problem of “We don’t really Want to keep the Southern States…” The only real difference was what each side did about those internal problems.

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Flag or Battle Flag?

naraht Tuesday, April 28th at 8:58AM EDT (link)

The bizarre thing for me is the degree to which the Flag of the Confederate States of America is confused with that of the Battle Flag of the Confederate States of America.

I presume being the SCV that what was actually hung was the Battle Flag of the CSA (The one with the thirteen stars in a Saltire “the X”).

I had a friend who hung the flag under which Jefferson Davis was inaugurated (the 13 star “Stars and Bars”) and got something like half a dozen people who recognized it during his time in college.

The Battle Flag has become the one that raises emotions on both sides now, not the actual legal flag of the CSA…

Though if you want to see people *really* bent out of shape over a flag, take a look at some of the regulations in Germany in regards to the Swastikas.

There is no "Battle Flag of the Confederate States."

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 9:32AM EDT (link)

The St. Andrews Cross flag is the Battle Flag of regiments of the Army of Northern Virginia. The Infantry version was 4 feet square and was issued by the Richmond Depot in three versions using different materials and sewing techiques. Only the Second Pattern, mid-war, had a border. Some units wore “Battle Honors” on the flag in the form of stenciled or embroidered names of battles in which the unit participated. These flags were only flown by a regiment arrayed for battle. Capturing the flag of an opposing unit was a great honor and, likewise, losing one’s colors was a great dishonor. It was a great honor to be chosen as the color bearer, though a color bearer had a very short life expectancy in battle.

Other Armies of the Provisional Army of the Confederate States used different flags and there was no universal regimental flag in the Army of Tennessee or the Department of the Trans-Mississippi. The most common regimental flag in the “western” armies was a derivitive of the “Bonny Blue Flag,” an early symbol of the Confederate States. The Bonny Blue Flag had a blue field and a single white star. Many western units used what was called the Hardee Flag which had a blue field and a white oval, frequently with the unit name in the oval. Other units used state flags or variations thereof or privately designed and made flags.

The Department of Georgia and South Carolina used a 3:5 rectangular version of the ANV Battle Flag over Military facilities and headquarters. The Naval Ensign of the CS Navy used the square St. Andrews Cross flag in the canton with a white field. The Naval Ensign was adopted as the Third National Flag of the Confederate States after Gen. Jackson’s death and was commonly referred to as “The Stainless Banner.”

As to the Swastika, many countries won’t even allow models of WWII German aircraft or vehicles to have swastika decals; they either don’t have them at all or give you a bunch of pieces from which you can assemble a swastika. The swastika was not the national insigna of German military aircraft and vehicles. The insignia was the German (or Iron) Cross commonly displayed on the wings of aircraft and the sides of vehicles. Luftwaffe aircraft usually but not always displayed a swastika on the vertical tail. Vehicles rarely displayed the swastika except that swastika flags were sometimes used on horizontal surfaces for identification by aircraft.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Excuse my ignorance, but...

carcas2659 Tuesday, April 28th at 5:21PM EDT (link)

what is Confederate Memorial Day?

Thank you.

In most states of the former Confederacy

Achance Tuesday, April 28th at 7:43PM EDT (link)

it is April 26th to commemorate the date that Johnson’s Army surrendered to Sherman thus ending the War in the East. Some states had other dates. I don’t think it is a legal holiday in any state any more. The Union Decoration Day became federal legal holiday Memorial Day after WWI to commemorate all American dead from all wars.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Here's a link to the story

Finrod Wednesday, April 29th at 3:28PM EDT (link)

Here. The charges were dropped eventually– the second time the guy came from Kentucky to answer the charges in North Carolina.

I will definitely never stay at a Wingate Inn in Concord NC.


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