The National Council for a New America Launches — Conference Call Report


It's a "conversation" with America, not a re-branding of the GOP.

This morning I listened in on Eric Cantor’s conference call concerning the launch of the National Council for a New America (NCNA) hosted by Congressman Cantor and Senator John McCain.

One of the main points that the two men stressed is that this is “not a contract with America,” but a “conversation” with her. The GOP leaders also stressed that this is an “inclusive” effort with which they want to hear from all manner of Americans adhering to a variety opinions on today’s most pressing Issues. The two also said that this is not an attempt to “re-brand” the GOP.

The first townhall style meeting is to be held on May second in Northern Virginia and along with Cantor and McCain it is expected that Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush will be in attendance.

Additionally, several Governors past and present have joined this effort. Governor Haley Barbour, Governor, Jeb Bush, Governor Bobby Jindal, Senator John McCain, and Governor Mitt Romney.

Senator McCain also mentioned several times that they had contacted Governor Sarah Palin’s office and asked her to join them with future NCNA efforts. Senator McCain made sure to mention that fact several times.

The effort has thus far been broken down into five areas of discussion. The economy, healthcare, education, energy, and national security all will come into focus.

My impression is that it certainly is an attempt to refocus the GOP, maybe not necessarily “re-brand” it but certainly re-introduce Republican principles to the people.

It is sure that the “conversation” meme will be looked upon with skepticism, but let’s face it. They had little choice but to employ the terminology. The GOP is in a weakened state and something does have to be done to vivify the Party.

We shall have to wait and see where this goes, but I see no reason to unnecessarily scoff at the effort. Let’s give it a fair hearing, fellow Republicans, conservatives, Libertarians, Americans.

Here is the press release that has been put out by Representative Cantor’s office detailing the initial thoughts on the NCNA:

Dear Friends,

The United States is the greatest country in the world, a beacon of hope, strength, and prosperity that Democracies worldwide seek to emulate. Our nation and its people have persevered through past challenges with strength derived from our common belief in freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility. Like every American, we look to the future with optimism for the great possibilities of tomorrow. Although today we face some of the toughest times in recent history, together, like so many generations before, we march forward with a vision for an even brighter future for our children.

Today, we are launching the National Council for a New America (NCNA), a caucus of Congressional leaders gathering the expertise of national leaders and doers. We hope that will form the foundation of a concerted, policy-based forum to listen to, partner with, and empower the American people with ideas and solutions that speak directly to the needs of our great nation. This forum will engage in a conversation with America that seeks to remove ideological filters, addresses the realities we are confronting, and speaks to the challenges our citizens are facing.

The NCNA will bring together citizens from across the country to begin a dialogue with the American people through a series of forums, town halls, and an online effort that will engage people in a discussion to meet our common challenges and build a stronger country through common-sense ideas. The NCNA will be a dynamic, forward-looking organization that will amplify the common-sense and wisdom of our fellow citizens through a grassroots dialogue with Republican leaders.

However, this is not a Republican-only forum. While we will be guided by our principles of freedom and security, we will seek to include more than just our ideas. This forum will include a wide open policy debate that every American can feel free to participate in. We do this not just to offer an alternative point of view or to be disagreeable. Instead, we want to ask the American people what their hopes and dreams are. Since January, the President and the Democratic Majority in Congress have – rightfully so – put forward their plan for the future, now we must listen, learn and lead through an honest, open conversation with the American people that will result in building policy proposals that will yield the best results for our nation’s long-term success.

Ultimately, however, we are only launching this effort. The real drivers will have to be the American people. We invite Americans from all walks of life to speak with us as we begin anew rebuilding and reenergizing our nation. We do not pretend to have all the answers nor do we expect the NCNA to remain a static forum. Instead, this is going to be a living, breathing, expanding group that engages Americans from all walks of life. We hope to engage other national leaders, grassroots activists and citizens and invite them to work with us to solve problems with common-sense conservative solutions.

A Blueprint for our Conversation with America

Economy: Real Solutions for Economic Recovery

As the country battles through the worst economic crisis in a generation, we must remain focused on the foundations and institutions that have made us the most prosperous people in the world and the ideas that create jobs and grow our economy. At the same time, we must learn from the mistakes that led to the current crisis and to prevent similar situations from ever occurring again.

Healthcare: Building a 21st Century, Patient-Centered System

No one doubts that our nation’s health care system is in need of reform, but we must strike the right balance that builds on what works and fixes what is broken. All Americans deserve access to high-quality, affordable care. But such coverage cannot come at the expense of their ability to choose their own doctor and have access to the right care, at the right time, in the right setting without waiting in line while sick. In addition, we must continue to focus on the innovation and science that have resulted in thousands of treatments and cures for life-threatening or debilitating diseases while allowing America to remain the leader in research and development worldwide.

Education: Preparing Our Children to Succeed

A high-quality education should not be dependent upon a parent’s income or address. All of America’s children deserve an education that will prepare them for the opportunities and the challenges that await them in the global economy. Yet today, thousands of American children, especially in our inner cities, receive a substandard education or find post-secondary education unaffordable. We must return power from Washington to parents and well-paid teachers who know what’s best for our children.

Energy: Solutions for Energy Independence

American families and businesses cannot afford an energy policy where we are held hostage by foreign oil cartels and dictators. As a nation, we can no longer send billions of dollars overseas each year, often to countries that help fund our enemies. We must implement a comprehensive energy policy that includes traditional fuels, alternative energy, and conservation resulting in affordable, reliable domestic energy. Such a policy will stabilize costs for families and businesses while at the same time creating much-needed jobs here at home.

National Security: Defending American Liberty and Freedom

The threats posed to our nation are more varied and evolving more than perhaps at any other time in our history. Modern communications, technology and the proliferation of weapons of all types have empowered our enemies and those who support them. Our national security policy must reflect these realities while allowing us to maintain technological superiority, support the most well-trained and well-equipped military in the world and have the intelligence capabilities to uncover and prevent attacks before they occur.

Our National Panel of Experts:

Governor Haley Barbour
Governor Jeb Bush
Governor Bobby Jindal
Senator John McCain
Governor Mitt Romney

These are not the only issue areas where we will engage America, but they form a starting point in our revitalization effort. In the coming months, the NCNA will focus our attention outside of Washington where American families are living and raising their children, working toward the promise of a better tomorrow, and where common-sense ideals are valued over pundits and the political winds. We know America’s best days are ahead, but we need to work hard to ensure that promise. We also know that the American people want choices and alternatives – that there is no one right solution for what America and its people need. This is what our country was founded on, this is what we stand for, this is what we hope the National Council for a New America will provide and we ask our fellow citizens to join with us.

Sincerely,

John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mike Pence, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, John Carter, Pete Sessions, David Dreier, Kevin McCarthy, Roy Blunt

Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Lamar Alexander, John Cornyn, John Thune

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New America?

daconia (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 12:43PM EST (link)

What’s wrong with the “old” one? I am sick of this new America stuff. How about the America as she was founded?

Thank you

randyturner (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:41PM EST (link)

I felt compelled to write the same thing.

The only thing “new” this country needs is new representation. How about the GOP promises to stop representing lobbyists and goes back to representing the people.

I guarantee if every Republican candidate promised to not take a single dime of lobbyist money, they’d sweep every open seat.

 

Thank you

randyturner (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:41PM EST (link)

I felt compelled to write the same thing.

The only thing “new” this country needs is new representation. How about the GOP promises to stop representing lobbyists and goes back to representing the people.

I guarantee if every Republican candidate promised to not take a single dime of lobbyist money, they’d sweep every open seat.

 
 

Screw this.

Tbone (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 12:52PM EST (link)

If Cantor and the Republicans don’t have enough sense to show John McCain the gate to the pasture the Republican Party will NEVER get back in power.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Steele should be included. Unless he is a Trojan Horse

Kate_Shanahan (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:35PM EST (link)

McCain was the wrong candidate for President, but he still has a place in the mix. To exclude him would have been a mistake.

This is a good move.

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

How could Steele not be

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:41PM EST (link)

included?????

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

 
 

55555555555555555555 n/t

cwilson (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 8:28PM EST (link)

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If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 
 

Three quick questions

suzieQ (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:01PM EST (link)

1. I’ve heard rumor (unsubstantiated) that Michael Steele will not have a part in the National Council For A New America. Is this true, and if so, why?

2. You mentioned that the NCNA “is an “inclusive” effort with which they want to hear from all manner of Americans adhering to a variety opinions on today’s most pressing Issues.” Does that mean that the Log Cabin Republicans will have a seat at the table?

3. I noticed that the blueprint you laid out makes no mention of social conservative issues. Are issues such as abortion and Christianity being left out of this “conversation”?

As governor, Romney made no similar effort to amend or repeal the state law, which required employers that purchase insurance plans in Massachusetts to pay for contraceptives.

“I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state.” – Mitt Romney 2008
Gun Owners Of America on Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney will not repeal Obamacare

 

I would change one word in this sentence

bk (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:04PM EST (link)

“My impression is that it certainly is an attempt to refocus the GOP, maybe not necessarily “re-brand” it but certainly re-introduce Republican principles to the people Republican Party.”

I wouldn't change the word

Kate_Shanahan (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:33PM EST (link)

people it is. No one can win an election without “the people”, i.e., independents and new voters.

This is an excellent move and should not be shrouded in heavy partisanship along political points. It should be a conversation contrasting facts and methods of achieving desired results, and we should clearly articulate the results we want.

The voting public is confused and disillusioned. We can clarify the differences and draw a picture of our world vs. their world without political acrimony.

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

What I meant is that there's nothing to convince us of

bk (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 2:11PM EST (link)

until the GOP changes its stripes. I don’t want them to try to spin some line of garbage until the get their act together within the party. Then they can tell us they are marching to this new contract. There’s nothing for them to tell us until they are ready to remake the GOP insiders to fit a more traditional Republican role.

 

Thanks Kate - I agree with you

Praying (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 10:53PM EST (link)

And with red4ever (see below). I was buoyed up when I saw the link on Instapundit this morning, and I still am. This is mostly a grass roots effort, with some of the more sane members of our elected political class signing on as being willing to work on this with us. They claim it is non-partisan, just as we claimed (and I still believe) the Tea Parties were non-partisan, so I believe it can be. A lot of my more liberal friends (who drank the hope and change Kool Aid) are pretty disillusioned – and downright scared right now. This is about redeeming America. I admit the name is corny, but I guess it’s like a reNEWal – hence the “New America” which some (above) complained about. I share your optimism that this is a much needed breath of fresh air. And I got bogged down farther down the thread with all the accusations of Troll, etc. Really, RS. I like this site because it usually avoids that kind of stuff.

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

 
 
 

Harnessing the Anger

red4ever (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:14PM EST (link)

The Tea Parties were step one. This is step two. You have to do more than protest. You have to have concrete ideas going forward. It’s a start.

Peple are not suddenly going to wake up and go “Oh wait Obama is ruining the country, vote Republican.” You have to explain WHY voting Republican is a good idea. You have to build and grow.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante

 

I agree...let's give it a chance...GOD knows we need something...but let's keep a close eye on this one!

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:19PM EST (link)

I remember a similar discussion that was started after 1996 that started out looking like it could be productive at unifying the Party around a common message…it seemingly died down when it started “discussing” “Compassionate Conservatism” untill Bush and Company rolled into town 4 years later with a new tone and opened up the checkbook!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

Ok, what about Huckabee?

Jonah Shumate (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:21PM EST (link)

Honestly, his conservative views and thoughts on issues warrant his inclusion, dont they? At least his input on how to have the conversation, doesnt it?

Another "hold your nose" moment

Kate_Shanahan (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:52PM EST (link)

Huckabee helped with our demise. I honestly think he’s a Trojan Horse.

The Republicans and Democrats use Ed Rollins when they want to destroy someone or something. He is a mercenary.

If we don’t think the Republican Party has been inflitrated from top to bottom with leftist ideologues posing as conservatives, we are clueless.

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

Loosen up on the the tin foil

cschande (Diary) Monday, May 4th at 11:32PM EST (link)

Sounds like someone’s got her tin foil hat on a little too tight. Purely fiscal conservatives didn’t like Huck because he cared too much about social issues and they don’t, it’s that simple.

The Republican party can’t survive if it’s dominated by fi-cons or so-cons, or even national security conservatives…we need an even balance of all three, and preferably candidates who fit all three molds. Huckabee was one such candidate, Romney and McCain, for various reasons, were not, which is why both were eventually rejected by the people.

Huck did what he did without Romney’s millions and without FoxNews shelling for him all the way. If the conservative leadership picks Romney in 2012, all the money in the world won’t get him elected (he already tried that strategy once).

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

Huck's not a trojan horse; he's just another McCain/Specter type

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, May 4th at 11:45PM EST (link)

Those Republicans who bash the Club for Growth more than they bash Democrats are not what we need shaping our party.

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Romney's the McCain/Spector type

cschande (Diary) Monday, May 4th at 11:59PM EST (link)

Huckabee “bashed” the Club for Growth in self-defense after the unfairly bashed him and his fiscal conservative credentials. He didn’t accuse them of being too conservative on fiscal issues, he only took issue with the fact that they wrongly distorted his fiscal conservatism.

Sure, I hate to see players on the same team bashing each other as much as the next guy (unless of course they’re on the other team), But defending yourself against those who wrongfully question your conservatism doesn’t make one a “McCain/Spector” type. Changing positions every time it’s politically feasible (i.e. Romney, McCain,
Spector) absolutely does.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

We've been through this crap before.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 12:04AM EST (link)

Huckabee outright lied about his position on the fuel taxes and got caught by C4G. The guy is simply a lying piece of crap. He even took Clintonesque shot at stealing the furniture from the Governor’s mansion – “Oh, I thought it was mine. Oops.”

Go away.

 

You beclown yourself

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 12:09AM EST (link)

It’s pretty dang silly that you can’t defend your guy and have to attack Mitt Romney.

Seriously, Romney? Who cares about Mitt Romney? Why even bring him up?

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Hey schande... I'll put 35 of pro-life bonafides

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, May 4th at 11:59PM EST (link)

against whatever you’ve got that passes for pro-life stuff any day.

Huckabee is nothing more than a pro-life version of Obama except he’s not as competent. If you really think you can run somebody like him, you can look for a good solid 25MM votes. The only reason Huckabee even made a dent was because the only two really good candidates in the field – Rudy and Fred – sat out too long and there was a vacuum and ditzy filled it.

If you think he’s something, you should write a diary or two about his positions on issues. It’ll be fun. A waste of time, but fun.

Make that 35 "years"... nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 12:00AM EST (link)

More fi-cons who won't give so-cons a chance

cschande (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 3:05AM EST (link)

You guys exemplify my point. If Republicans continue to willingly chop off one leg of a three-legged stool (fiscal issues, social issues, and national security), we’ll end up falling on our faces every time, like we did with McCain.

I’ll admit, I care more about social issues than I do the other two, but I, like Huckabee, still consider myself conservative on all three, and I value pure fiscal conservatives and national security conservatives and the need for them in our party, even if they don’t care about social issues as much as I do.

I just get sick of fi-cons like ya’ll who pooh-pooh so-cons who don’t measure up to the perfect standards of fiscal conservatism laid out by your gods and goddesses at the Club for Growth and similar organizations.

Rudy wasn’t a “good candidate.” He was a one-pegger (national security) who realized he couldn’t compete in any of the early states and eventually found out he couldn’t even compete in Florida. Romney was a one-pegger, too (fiscal) whose money helped him teeter longer than he should have been able to before he, too, fell on his face. And Fred was a “good candidate”?! He may have looked good on paper and in 30-second ads, but he was a lazy bum of a candidate.

Of the top candidates in 2008, Huck came closest to having all three legs of the stool. I know it’s not “cool” to be a so-con in Washington, Hollywood, or on the coasts. But in mainstream America we care less about being “cool” and more about having values and convictions. And we’re willing to go to work for any fi-con or national security conservative who shares and who’ll honor and advance our values. Tell us to “go away” if you must, but once we’re gone, where does that leave you?

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

Hee hee... you really haven't moved on from the primary have you?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 4:24AM EST (link)

That’s really funny.

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here is the problem cschande

kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 7:41AM EST (link)

We don’t see any big social issues right now. The social issues we have had are the same ones we have had for a long time now, And quite frankly they are not anywhere near a good resolution for our side.

But fiscal issue on the other hand, those are right now more important than ever. Furthermore, if Bush and the Republicans in the senate had given a crap about fiscal issues then maybe we would not be in the inferior position we are now.

So it is a matter of timing. I don’t want to kick any leg off the stool, but I do want you and others like you to wake up and concentrate on the real problems right now, because soon we are going to be facing 1970′s style stagflation if not worse.

And this is a direct consequence of the party ignoring fiscal issue for a long time now.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

Nobody is telling anybody to "go away", except possibly you.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 8:54AM EST (link)

The idea that Huckabee is a “three leg” conservative is just food for idiots.

With respect to only the abortion issue, Rudy has a better record on abortion that Huckabee. During Rudy’s term as mayor of one of the most liberal enclaves in the country the absolute number of abortions dropped and the rate of abortion went down. During Huckabee’s term as governor, the absolute number of abortions went up and the abortion rate went up. Rudy promised to keep the Mexico City accords in place along with every other administrative sanction in place during the Bush years. He also had a very distinguished panel of legal scholars who were going to be his front line in selecting judicial nominees and every one of them was publicly prolife. Huckabee’s idea of who should be on the court was a mystery.

Huckabee was the only candidate who supported the Human Life Amendment. Of course he never bothered to tell us which version of the HLA he supported and since seven different versions have been introduced into Congress over the years and only two actually have language that would “outlaw” abortion and the other five do nothing more than overturn Roe’s effect on making abortion legal but do nothing but return the issue to the states to legislate the whole “HLA” thing is nothing more than a trojan horse like the ERA was on the left.

Huckabee’s record on spending is horrible. He never met a tax he didn’t like and we’ve got video of him begging the AR legislature to pass tax increases as he lists them off one by one.

He’s never met a problem that government couldn’t solve.

His foreign policy stands when he was a candidate didn’t sound a whole lot different than Obama. And his position on immigration was solidly backed by his work with the Mexican government to get consular cards issued in AR for id.

Most of the people here are socons. But we’re certainly not going to support a Marxist who purports to be prolife and who offers exactly no strategies to advance the prolife/profamily cause.

You aren’t willing to support any ficon or security con who will honor and advance socon values. If you were, you’d have supported Rudy. Or Fred.

Yes, Neil, I'm bitter. You should be, too...

cschande (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 11:11PM EST (link)

I’m bitter not because my guy didn’t win the primary, but because my party didn’t win the election. I think this is largely because we nominated a RINO instead of a true conservative. I thought Huckabee was a true conservative fiscally, socially, and on national security issues, and I still think he would have had a better shot at winning than did McCain. For one, I know he would have opposed that stupid bailout (he did on his show). That in and of itself might have turned things around for us.

I am still frustrated by the way Huckabee was treated in the primary by guys like Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. who distorted his record because they were too busy drooling over Rudy, Romney, and Fred (sounds a lot like mbecker908).

Yes, I had my doubts about Huck’s record on fiscal issues at one time. I’m not so pro-social issues that I don’t care about a candidate’s stance on lower taxes and smaller government. But when I actually took the time to check it out myself, I realized that groups like the Club for Growth were spreading lies…maybe with good intentions, but they were still lies.

It’s also frustrating to me that this group of individuals is pretending to be the face of the Republican Party when some of them represent what’s been wrong with the Republican Party in the last several years:

Romney with his flip-flopping on social issues and all of his “fee” hikes that supposedly weren’t taxes.
McCain with his flip-flopping on tax cuts, immigration, etc.
And even Palin to some extent simply because of her inability to skillfully enunciate her conservative principles.

I hear you kyle8, we’ve definitely gotten away from our fiscal principles as a party (or at least our leadership has), and that’s why we’ve gotten our butts kicked in the past two election cycles. I see the need to focus on fiscal issues right now, especially considering the state the economy is in.

I just get worried when I hear about Republican groups like this intentionally leaving out social issues, as if they’re willing to throw them under the bus if that’s what it takes to get elected or to be cool in the eyes of the media. Especially considering the fact that recent polls are showing that we’re actually making inroads in the minds of the American people when it comes to national opinion about abortion.

I’m ready and willing to fight with other conservatives on behalf of conservative candidates who focus on fiscal issues moreso than social issues. But if I can’t trust them on social issues, it makes it that much harder for me to trust that they’ll even stay true to their fiscal principles (i.e. Romney). Does that make sense?

As for mbecker908′s comparison of Rudy and Huckabee on their abortion records and the references to the importance of abortion reduction, “Congratulations, man, you sound like Obama.”

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

“Congratulations, man, you sound like Obama.”

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, May 5th at 11:34PM EST (link)

You’re a certified idiot.

You completely ignore all the actual, real “fact” thingys and make a fool out of yourself in public. Note that I never said Rudy was some kind of a pro-life icon, I just noted that his record on the issue while holding office was better than Huckabee’s. Wanna address that one?

Secondly, Rudy has a long history of not backing away from his promises after he gets elected and in fact, he promised to do all of the things I noted. Huckabee never said a word about what he would do. I guess we’re just supposed to guess, huh? Comment?

Third, Rudy was the first to select a very distinguished panel of very conservative legal scholars who would advise him on all judicial appointments. Huckabee made several statements that would lead one to believe he’s never read the Constitution and had no clue about cases the SCOTUS has decided.

Fourth, you really don’t know how to put together an argument that makes any sense do you?

I hope you're not a "big tent" Republican...

cschande (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 12:04AM EST (link)

…because it’s hard to grow a party when you go around calling people who agree with you on the issues “certified idiots.”

I made no attempt to “put together an argument that makes any sense” to you because I didn’t think it was worth it. Calling me names isn’t exactly the greatest way to engage people in a conversation. It’s a great way to start a shouting match, but I don’t feel like shouting at someone who’s supposed to be on my team.

Oh, well, maybe you’ll come around in time.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

Ahh yes, the trademarks of the "certified idiot"...

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 8:33AM EST (link)

1. You whine about being outed.
2. You fail to note that the thing that got you outed was was that you absolutely refuse to use facts in context to make an argument about anything.
3. You specifically do not answer any of the points I raise based on the facts of the situation.

Don’t make the mistake of thinking you’re on the same “team” with anybody who has a double digit IQ or actual conservative creds.

Now then, put up or shut up. Answer the the points from a factual persuasion.

I'm a certified idiot...

cschande (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 1:42AM EST (link)

…my IQ is in the single digits, and I have no conservative creds. Oh, yeah, and I whine.

You know, if you throw in a few “yo mama” jokes, I just might get defensive enough to consider wasting my time arguing with you.

You sound like someone who’d know some good “yo mama” jokes.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

And STILL not a response on point or dealing with the facts.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 8:38AM EST (link)

You’re not going to have an easy time around here given your inability to make an argument. I will say that you’re an excellent example of the pathetic people who support Huckabee, which is why he’ll never be anything but a minor distraction.

That was lame...

cschande (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 2:13PM EST (link)

Here I was expecting some good “yo mama” jokes and all you can come up with is calling me pathetic and again criticizing my “inability to make an argument.”

Obviously, you don’t understand the difference between being unwilling and unable. Don’t worry, you’ll figure it out eventually. ;)

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

I understand.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 5:54PM EST (link)

I also understand “ignorant” and “stupid” because I keep reading in your posts.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Mr. cschande, when you stated:

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 12:12AM EST (link)

“And even Palin to some extent simply because of her INABILITY to skillfully enunciate her conservative principles”,
You are sooooooo wrong.
Mrs. Palin can articulate conservative principles all day long because her principles are from her heart, not from just saying things to get elected.
Listen to her speeches, and not what MSM says about her.
And if you are going to say such crap, back it up.
Show me where she has displayed this “inability”.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

The media was horrible, but she has deeper problems

cschande (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 12:34AM EST (link)

For example, Palin refused to differentiate between her position on gay rights and Biden’s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfIKdRmWkBI

She did this numerous times during the campaign. When asked questions about gay rights she spent the majority of her time falling all over herself trying to convince the interviewer of how tolerant she is and how many friends and family members she has who are either gay or who support gay rights. If we’re going to change the hearts and minds of Americans on these and other important issues, we have to be able to explain why we believe what we believe.

She was right on with most of her positions, and she gave a good speech now and then, but in sit-down interviews there just didn’t seem to be a whole lot of substance there, and believe me, I know the media sliced and diced her interviews to make her look bad.

Still, at a time when too many Americans aren’t familiar with what conservatives believe and/or why, it’s not a good time to be trusting individuals who are weak communicators with being THE voice of our beliefs. I hope she’ll continue to be a major player…I just don’t think we should put all or even most of our eggs in her basket.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

Taking a stance on Marriage in a debate and articulating Conservative Principles are not quit the same.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 12:57AM EST (link)

In interviews with nut jobs like Gibson, where it gets hacked up, or in political debates, as of wich you linked to,
where you have to answer questions and make statements in a short time frame isn’t the same to me as not articulating principles,
conservative or otherwise.
I can’t claim to have heard or read all of her speeches,
but I thinks she does just fine.
She articulates quit well.
at least in my book.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

She's good for the party, but she's not the solution...

cschande (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 1:12AM EST (link)

Thus far Huckabee is still my favorite moving forward, but I’m still open to other options as well. Palin’s good but I think we can do better.

The jury is still out on Jindal, Pence, Cantor, Barbour, Sanford, etc. in my book.

Romney, McCain, Rudy, Thompson and Jeb Bush are not the future of the Republican party. I hope they’ll still be a part of it, of course, and I think they can play a vital role, but I just don’t think they can inspire a nation or champion conservative principles the way we desperately need our leaders to right now.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

At this point in time I'll settle for "good for the party"

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 1:27AM EST (link)

Look, I’m nowhere near ready to start thinking about the 2010 Presidential campaign – we’ve got to survive 2010 and hope make some gains back.

Given the number of knives stuck in the party by so-called Republican moderates and commentators that dwarf Caesar’s assassins in numbers, right now I want anybody articulate who can enunciate conservative principles out there talking without trying to figure out if they are the “solution”.

In fact, no one person is the “solution” – that’s the Democrat’s cult of personality approach that threatens to send our country off the cliff. We do ourselves not favor to follow them.

Instead we need voices – and we need people to stand at the state and local levels and get elected and make our case to the voters, because our national organization is still being routed.

So let’s stop playing winnow. I am well aware of Sarah’s vulnerabilities as far as federal office and her need to build a record – but I also know that she is one of the best speakers we have in terms of connecting with her audience and exciting them. And right now, we’ve got very few others who voters will listen to.

So let’s just give her room to blossom – and worry about 2012 in another couple of years.

So stop trying to clear a path for Huck by cutting down others. He won’t be any use to you if we don’t have a viable party for 2012. And if we cut down many more trees, we won’t have anything left after the flood sweeps through.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

Correction: 2012 Presidential campaign -nt-

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 1:29AM EST (link)

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 

Hear, hear...

cschande (Diary) Thursday, May 7th at 1:21AM EST (link)

You make a lot of good points.

My jumping in to this discussion was really more about hating hearing Huckabee getting bashed for no reason (seems to be fairly common on RedState)

I guess watching Mitt and Huck duke it out during the primaries and ending up with McCain as the nominee as a result makes me a little paranoid about the possibility that conservatives won’t get our act together in time to choose a true conservative in 2012 (whether it be Huck, Palin, Jindal, etc.) before we get another moderate handed to us on an iron platter (complete with chains).

At this point, though, you’re right…better to just breathe and root for the party as a whole than to worry about finding “the One.”

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/

 
 
 

to kowalski, here ya go:

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 2:00AM EST (link)

“And even Palin to some extent simply because of her INABILITY to skillfully enunciate her conservative principles”,
check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0darQB7r4

I liked it that she screwed up when she says “snow-machine”, instead of “Snowmobile”, like we say here in the “48″.

this video has as much relevence as yours did.
I do think that the reason she is articulating well in this video is because she has at least 101 teleprompters in the convention hall. See how she looks all around when she is talking.
I was talking about her consrvative principles, and her articulation of them.
what do you think?
just askin

this is after your 1:12 comment because I watched it twice.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yawn....

SG_Lominac (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:30PM EST (link)

Mostly inside the beltway types with friggin John McCain on a panel of experts. McConnell? Alexander? This is how we are reloading? We need a charismatic leader with his/her hair on fire to bust this democrat monopoly. I like Jindal and a few others but man, we need a fireball, not more boring retreads.

From the movie “Hard Times”

Jill Ireland: “What does it feel like to knock somebody down?”
Charles Bronson: “It makes me feel a hell of a lot better than it does him.”

What do you like about Jindal?

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:13PM EST (link)

I am not from Louisiana and have not seen a lot of him, but he looks very weak from what I have seen. And he has the problem of being a Hindu and an exorcist.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

So far he seems to be a genuine conservative

AKSteveB (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 4:22PM EST (link)

who actually executes well and gets things done in a place where it has been impossible. Hindu and excorcist?????? He’s a Christian and even if he wasn’t, who cares?????

Hell is other people – Sartre

Well,

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:28PM EST (link)

I don’t know about that, but he does have an exorcism problem, and we are a Christian Nation.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

Wowzers

Matthew Morris (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 5:39PM EST (link)

A comment history review can be quite telling.


“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Ipsum esse subsistens

 
 
 

WThell?

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 4:28PM EST (link)

please Blam this retard.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Please

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:38PM EST (link)

be respectful.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

Have you not read his account

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:43PM EST (link)

of participating in an exorcism? If not, you should. If so, you don’t think that it will be a problem?

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

Hey MOE!

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 4:58PM EST (link)

please look at this.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Oh No!

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 6:07PM EST (link)

You want me banned because I think Jindal has some serious electability problems? Heckuva job, Kyle!
“Nothing works lie freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Classic.

Be respectful, or be banned.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

no I want you blammed because you are a troll

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:21PM EST (link)

nt

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Gotta love how he mocks freedom and liberty there :)

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:32PM EST (link)

n/t

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Inane comment of the day, right here:

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 5:18PM EST (link)

Hindus don’t have the concept of “exorcism”, so there’s no way that he could be both an exorcist AND a Hindu. Massive, epic fail.

BTW, Jindal is Catholic, though I doubt that you care.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Really?

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 6:15PM EST (link)

Are you an expert on Hinduism? I’ve spent quite a bit of time with Hindus, and they are big into all kinds of spirits and magic. I obviously don’t know what religion he claims, but I know he has written about taking part in an exorcism in great detail. He even felt the demon!

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

You are a troll and a bigot

Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:22PM EST (link)

And you are about ready to experience an exorcism, RedState style.

Before your little behind hits the swinging doors in the saloon, thanks for clarifying what passes for reasoned debate on the left.

 

I note that you have precisely zero links

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:35PM EST (link)

to back up your assertion that the Hindu religion has an equivalent to the practice of exorcism as it relates to Christianity, or that Jindal even is a Hindu. Can you provide one link where he says that he is? No? Then I think I’ll apply Hinz Rule here.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Beat it, troll. (nt)

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:38PM EST (link)

sullyman, read this

streiff (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:55PM EST (link)

1. Bobby Jindal is Roman Catholic

2. This thread is not about him.

3. Get familiar with a subject before posting on it and thereby avoiding the tragedy of a self-beclowining.

4. Stop the freakin threadjack right now.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

 
 

Don't take my word for it.

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 6:22PM EST (link)

Check out the December 1994 New Oxford Review. Maybe a sorcerer can be president, but after Obama, I doubt it.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

 
 

What a red herring.

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:43PM EST (link)

This has absolutely nothing to do with Jindal and his history as a leader. I wouldn’t care if he worshipped a basketball that had a smiley face drawn on it with a magic marker as long as his policies are good.

And BTW, Jindal is Catholic. Not Hindu. But I imagine you have a link to back up your ludicrous assertions then, no? I can wait.

Again,

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 8:35PM EST (link)

I don’t know what religion he is. If he says he’s a Christian or Catholic, I’ll take his word for it. Just like we took Obama’s word for it. But would you care to discuss the fact that he is a sorcerer?

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

You really should have listened to streiff, Sparky.

Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 8:45PM EST (link)

A year and a half as a sleeper...

Josh Painter (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 9:09PM EST (link)

and blows it on a stupid Jindal smear?

I’ll never figure out the troll mind. Wiring’s too different, and there’s no schematic.

- JP

“An armed society is a polite society” – Robert A. Heinlein, “Beyond This Horizon” (1942)

 

don't think he's been on the planet long....

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 9:40PM EST (link)

recently beamed down form a Flying Sorcerer. er… that would be “saucer,” never-mind ;-)

but I couldn’t resist

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 
 

Presumably he was referring to this

dwarfmama (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 9:23PM EST (link)

New Oxford Review (requires payment for complete article)

CBN column with extensive quotes

But he has a terrible problem with reading comprehension.

Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty. (Samuel Adams)

 
 

Oh, trolls

devCharles Thursday, April 30th at 8:57PM EST (link)

I’ve said before in comments that I’m not pro-life or Christian, and the people here never have made a disparaging comment to me about either, even if they don’t agree. Being respectful in disagreement around here goes a long way.

If someone posted about Christianity over at the DailyKos, it’d be a firestorm all about rednecks and hate speech and on and on.

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.” – Ronald Regan

As a FYI, Jindal is a serious Catholic convert. nt

AKSteveB (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 10:26PM EST (link)

Hell is other people – Sartre

 
 
 
 

Yawn....

SG_Lominac (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:30PM EST (link)

Mostly inside the beltway types with friggin John McCain on a panel of experts. McConnell? Alexander? This is how we are reloading? We need a charismatic leader with his/her hair on fire to bust this democrat monopoly. I like Jindal and a few others but man, we need a fireball, not more boring retreads.

From the movie “Hard Times”

Jill Ireland: “What does it feel like to knock somebody down?”
Charles Bronson: “It makes me feel a hell of a lot better than it does him.”

 

Do they have a website yet?

SteveM (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:44PM EST (link)

Or a list of the townhalls?

 

Do they have a website yet?

SteveM (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:44PM EST (link)

Or a list of the townhalls?

 

they are just like the dems

mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 2:07PM EST (link)

as far as education!!! I typed this last night but I am ***so*** disappointed! They are doing the same thing that democrats do, lie about already existing programs to push whatever they are trying to push. College is not unaffordable in the inner cities. A full pell grant cover community college tuition and books and most get money back even after paying for books and fees. There is also the campused based SEOG grant and most states have their own grants. There are also programs like TRIO and JTPA to pay for things like daycare and uniforms and transportation. It just amazes me that they can lie and use something that isn’t true to gain support. For a health young person without dependents from a poor household, if they aren’t in college usually the only reason is because they choose not to be. I know there are excpetions, but the reasons are not because it’s unaffordable. The kids don’t even have to be literate every community college has basic literacy courses if needed.

Right on, mom2! It's not unaffordable at all

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 5:26PM EST (link)

My parents are in the bottom bracket of the poverty index, and as such, couldn’t contribute a single cent towards my education. Current government programs, in conjunction with the plentiful private scholarships available (about 1/2 of which go unused, according to some), gave me not just the minimum required for college, but money for room and board, food, and books! Quite frankly, anyone who says that “college is unaffordable” isn’t paying attention.

Also, since when did college become a requirement? IMO, that view helps rather than hinders, as it discourages people from taking economic initiative, and glorifies the almighty diploma instead.

PS: I’m not against college, but I do think that many of the degrees offered are silly, such as most of the ones in humanities, and virtually all liberal arts. Also, quite a few who go into business were already prepared to start their own prior to spending money on a degree. The hard and medium hard sciences, math, and pharmacy are good examples of useful college degrees, though.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

thanks aesthete! :)

mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:14PM EST (link)

I totally agree! I’ve told my son if something happens to me, when he is done with his calculus book just show up at the math department at the local state school, find the math department, and talk to the admin assistant and explain that you need an advisor in the department and stay in that department and get a math degree. I bought the rest of the Saxon series used I plan on him finishing that. I even wote the plan out and stuck it with my will stuff so his guardian would know what to give him if I wasn’t around.

.

 
 
 

They are allowing the dems to write the rules.

Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 2:14PM EST (link)

This will be no more than a “me too”. REPS are falling for the DEM trap being scared of being labeled the party of no when this is the EXACT time to say NOOOOOOO!

Right now we need to be a party of NO!!! And in addition offer solutions.

We won’t have a better opportunity to create separation from the current admin than right now because even the left is stupidly asking for it! They are already full of hubris.

The left NEEDS Reps to vote along w/ these radical policies for political CYA.

We need to be the party of NO!

I just did a diary on this opportunity.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

I just read your diary on this

suzieQ (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 5:09PM EST (link)

and recommended it. I completely agree.

As governor, Romney made no similar effort to amend or repeal the state law, which required employers that purchase insurance plans in Massachusetts to pay for contraceptives.

“I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state.” – Mitt Romney 2008
Gun Owners Of America on Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney will not repeal Obamacare

 
 

If they're serious and sincere

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 2:27PM EST (link)

let them attend the Tea Parties. Not speak, but attend and listen.

Until they can prove something more than they’ve done so far, I’m going to treat it just like Newt’s Contract with America that didn’t last very long.

I think I’m going through “pretty speeches” fatigue. They all try to make the right noises to mollify and pander and that’s where it ends. Once they’ve gotten what they want out of it, the contract is dissolved.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

 

No, actually, they don't.

NightTwister (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 2:47PM EST (link)

All Americans deserve access to high-quality, affordable care.

Heck, if you’re going to use the liberals’ talking points, you might as well just forget the whole thing.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

5!

LoveThatConstitution Thursday, April 30th at 3:28PM EST (link)

Yes, that was the one line in there that jumped out at me and i reacted the same way! Show me in the Constitution…

Obama had his world apology tour and now the Republicans are having thiers, for being Republicans.*

The wording of this is not leadership.

Republican Party: Stop saying we dont have all the answers and gee, we want to hear from everyone. It makes the party sound like pansies that dont know what to think, wandering around hoping to be liked. Like we dont have a big enough tent so lets water down our ideals insignificantly enough so everyone will like us.

Geez. Stand up and LEAD!!!!! You dont have to say we DO have all the answers, just start being decisive about a clear answer and people will follow. Like it has been said before, we shouldnt try to get more people in our tent by trying to become democrats Lite, we should stand on a defined principle that is a CLEAR choice from the democrats.

*now, the one BIG plus side is that this could also be the “we dont know what we should represent tour so were asking everyone to tell us”. If that is the case, and it will sway where they go, then we should not mock this but inflitrate! (sad that i have to use a word to describe being a part of your own party). IT could be a golden opportunity to get our message heard. it would surprise them.

Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
- Ronald Reagan

But which ones

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 8:38PM EST (link)

don’t deserve access to high-quality, affordable care. If we can narrow that down, we’d be on to something.

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

You are a tiresome idiot, sullyweenie

Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 8:42PM EST (link)

The sad part is that you truly believe you are achieving something here, and your soaring intellect and rapier quick wit are inflicting wounds on us from which we may not be able to recover.

The truth is that you are completely unable to think for yourself, have put all your little eggs in the basket of an incompetent lightweight, and are completely unable to bolster any of your cutesy posts with any sort of thoughtful backing.

I cannot wait for it to be your bedtime, which should be very soon. Enjoy the milk and cookies.

 
 
 

Damn right, they don't!

msullyvanunc@gmail.com Thursday, April 30th at 4:20PM EST (link)

What other Socialist ideas will they be peddling? And where’s Sarah?

“I keep pretending that I don’t know that Bobby Jindal’s a Catholic because I think that Republicans hate non-Christians, and that their brains shut down when the word “sorcerer” is used.”

 
 

So can someone

10ksnooker (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 3:44PM EST (link)

Recite the first principles of the new old tired group of the same old progressive lites?

 

I'm with you Warner

texas214 (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 3:52PM EST (link)

Let’s hear what they have to say. Are we going to broaden the Party or purify the Party? If it is purify, I’m not sure who sets that standard. It’s sure not some of the posters here who are quick to disparage.

 

this will get us nowhere....

Jack (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 4:09PM EST (link)

I would think by this time they would be smart enough then to try and make the liberal hosts on CNN and MSNBC happy.

Want to hear a message? The GOP will provide jobs.

How about another one? The GOP will keep you safe.

When you go beyond these you are in deep trouble. You give the enemy ammunition to hammer you.

Anyone wants more details then you simply answer you will provide more details as you see the full unvarnished health care program that Obama wants to implement. We are dooming ourselves to permanent minority status.

Jack

“If at age 20 you are conservative you have no heart. It at age 30 you are liberal you have no brains.” Sir Winston Churchill

 

Not this bunch...

PatHMV Thursday, April 30th at 4:09PM EST (link)

Yawn. As another commenter suggested, a bunch of quintessential inside-the-beltway types, many of whom have a long history of mutual back-scratching, none of whom have a significant career history of being devoted to spending cuts and reducing the size of government, much less striving to create pro-active conservative solutions to our problems. We’ve got to get away from the deal-brokers and influence peddlers.

 

didn't Hillary have a "conversation" with America...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 6:57PM EST (link)

Panel of Experts?

Tbone (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 7:00PM EST (link)

Our National Panel of Experts:

Governor Haley Barbour
Governor Jeb Bush
Governor Bobby Jindal
Senator John McCain
Governor Mitt Romney

God help us.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

I don't get it

devCharles Thursday, April 30th at 7:23PM EST (link)

I don’t see why we have this huge problem we’re having in coming up with a unified direction. The GOP lost and will continue to lose until the Dems make enough mistakes as to cover up the mistakes made by the Republicans in the last 8 years even with democrats controlling the House and Senate in the last 2 years.

It’s not even going to be some small thing like a wayward comment, as the media will just ignore any gaffs when they would have harped on them in the past. Unfortunately an extended depression as a result of a failed economic stimulus package may require a couple of years of continued failure before people start to come around.

So what do Republicans do with this new filibuster proof Senate? I think what needs to be done is that Republicans need to put together large scale legislative plans that are incredibly detailed. That will allow people to go somewhere when they don’t get their jobs back. The problem seems to be that the GOP has no idea what ideas they should put up.

I think Republicans aren’t viewed seriously. If anything, Republicans need to refocus as a serious and focused group. I don’t have any problems with Rush, but he’s an entertainer. The Republican pundits on Fox (like Hannity) are entertainers. To some degree Republican policy is being grouped with entertainment. Does Rush make good points? You bet he does. He’s a very smart guy, but he’s not in the government. The simple fact is that he is more the face of the Republican party than Steele or whoever. We need to cut out this kind of “Aw shucks, freedom is good” stuff. The whole smiling Mitt Romney approach. The Republican party isn’t likable right now, and in my opinion, that’s not what we should be trying to be. We should try to be a Party of Principles and leadership and policy.

To this end, I’m a Republican even though I don’t agree with a lot of the parts of the party. I was pretty annoyed during the primaries when people called for Ron Paul to be outed. I feel like the GOP was representative of smaller government. I’m not so sure after the last 8 years, but it’s clear we need to do some serious refocusing 1994 style.

I guess that’s just a way of idealism though.

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.” – Ronald Regan

 

After 100 days, it's now clear that Obama's "SUCCESS" is not about policies; it's more of PERSONALITY CULT.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, May 1st at 4:45AM EST (link)

So it’s not about policy. No matter how good the Republican’s alternative policies are, they will surely be ignored by the majority of the people and the MSM.

The MSM and half of the people “have been in love” with Obama. We can’t do anything about it. But since Obama’s first 100 days were a big disappointment, it offers an opportunity for at least Republican leader to rise above the situation and expose the lies of Obama.

I’m not against with the Council idea but I distrust the people that work around it. And the timing of this NCNA is somehow wrong.

Why suddenly think about it at the height of the issue of “BIG TENT” came into the picture? Besides, what happened to the Party platform signed in St. Paul? It’s nolonger applicable now? Or is it possible that such platform never truly exist?

Do they know that dissecting the policies and platforms of the Republican Party at this very hour could lead into further “confusion” and disintegration? Even the Democrats never try to attempt to list their platform because they know that it will blow off their Big Tent agenda: it will expose the great conflicts in many liberal policies and third party agendas.

In short, this move is LATE by 2 months. The issue today is is the first 100 days and no Republican strongly spoke about it. Whether they like it or not, they have already been labeled as the PARTY OF NO. Instead of doing the exact thing that the Democrats were trying to frame them up (no idea), the Republicans should be fighting hard to expose the pretentious policies and programs of the Obama Government.

In fact, this Council is somehow an admission that we are “caving into the lies of the Democrats and the MSM” that the Republican Party is really disintegrating and in shambles.

Even if Cantor said that it was not about “re-branding”, but it would be construed by some in the Republican Party and even by the enemy as a strategy towards “BIG TENT”. IMHO, this move is truly UNTIMELY.

Last night’s press conference was a big sham and Obama’s statements were most vulnerable for Republican attack. Did we hear McCain or Cantor make a “comprehensive” prognosis of the 100 days of Obama? No. They are silent!

But TODAY is supposed to be a good opportunity to start a serious and substantive criticism of Obama’s Sure-To-Fail policies.

But these Republican Leaders in Washington are “SILENT”! They are busy with this Big Tent issue being emboldened by Specter turning into democrat….. a spectacle designed by Biden and Reid.

To win the argument today is to expose Obama’s weakness and vulnerabilities. There are so many things to tell the people about the inadequacy and failures of Obama. But no one has the guts to speak against Obama’s failure to address the economic problems of America and that this “Remaking of America” will never work.

The first 100 days is supposed to be about America and the American People: whether Americans have been better off after 100 days of his regime. Sadly, even us, we “made it as an issue” of OBAMA. First 100 Days, if could recall the NYT and WSJ, should be about the whether policies and strategies of the President have set the American economy into the right direction. But NO!

I am suspicious of this Council since its objectives are supposed to be the job of the RNC. The legislators are “SO FAST” of criticizing Steele of being “slow”.

But what about them? Their jobs are supposed to be “SPEAKING IN WASHINGTON AND EXPOSING THE INEFFICIENCIES AND FAILURE OF OBAMA’S BAILOUT OF AUTO INDUSTRY”. But NO. These Republican leaders are silent. SILENT!

I’m beginning to believe that our Republican Leaders are really afraid of Obama and possible attack of the MSM. As if the liberals will stop attacking them if they keep their mouths SILENT.

In summary, IMHO:

NCNA may be good but untimely.

But the first job should be BREAKING THE SPELL OF OBAMA. We need to wake the people up from their “ENCHANTMENT” of Obama.

We cannot do anything about people’s adoration of Obama. So deal with it! Fight it in order to destroy it!

That’s one of Reagan’s main strategies against Carter and the libs.

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Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, May 1st at 4:54AM EST (link)

sorry for the grammar and spellings. I’m somehow upset of the strategies of the Reps. I didn’t re-read what I typed. Sorry again.