In a fit of hypocrisy sure to outrage, just as Attorney General Eric Holder makes ready to attend a ceremony to honor fallen police officers, the Obama administration is proposing to cut almost in half a program that provides benefits to the future families left behind.
So much for the more loving, more caring president “we’ve been waiting for.” So, wouldn’t you think the Old Media would be braying at the hypocrisy here? Wouldn’t you rather think that the Old Media would be up in arms about this one? Isn’t this typically the type of story that would get them motivated to get their high dudgeon on? Guess not because it is nearly invisible in the media today.
Of the very few reporting on this, the Associated Press reported on May 7 that the president’s proposed budget calls for cuts in the Public Safety Officer’s Death Benefits Program. Obama wants to cut $50 million from the program, the budget to fall from $110 million to $60 million.
Apparently Obama imagines that his ascension to the White House will heal the tortured minds those criminal miscreants and cop-killers that might be lurking around out there because according to the reasoning offered to cut program funds, Obama claims that the number of on-the-job police killings is supposed to drop.
Justice Department budget documents say the reduction is being made because “claims are anticipated to decrease” because the number of officers killed in the line of duty has been decreasing.
The director of a police survivors group begs to differ, however. They have found that police officers killed on duty have gone up 21 percent over last year’s numbers already.
But, let’s consider how this story would be reported if it were Bush proposing to cut survivor’s benefits like this. Who cannot imagine that the media would be falling all over itself to scold Bush if he should have been the one to propose such steep cuts to benefits for the families of our fallen police officers?
It would have been ginned up into a firestorm of outrage against a president Bush, wouldn’t it?
Yet, for Obama, mums the word.
Imagine that?
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What a snake obama is
bobojake (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:11AM EST (link)soon people will rise up against obama-reid and peloski. The thugs will be scratching there heads as Government give them what they deserve. Thats nothing , nudaw, $00000000. Let them starve and steal the thugs money just like they have done to the policeman, firemen, and all middle class hardworking citizens.
this is simply ridiculous
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:25AM EST (link)the Administration has done enough real crap to the country without us dreaming up utter bullhockey.
Benefits are not being cut. The budget number for the compensation pool is being cut.
By law, each fallen police officer’s estate is entitled, key word there, to $300K. It doesn’t matter how much is budgeted. If the program goes over budget, money has to be found to fund it. Again this is why programs like this are called entitlement programs.
As to projecting police deaths, I find not evidence that the actuarial work done by DoJ is less accurate than that done by Concerns of Police Survivors, but based on last year’s data the fund paid out $40 million to the survivors of 134 police officers. Funding it at $60 million, a 50% increase over the pay outs from last year, doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Look, I like my red meat as well as the next guy. And I’ll accept back seat to no one in my loathing of this administration, but I refuse to beclown myself in the process.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
What makes you
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:37AM EST (link)What makes you think I am talking about the cuts? I am talking about the media. I don’t have much problem with the cuts. I am wondering why this program exists at all, to tell the truth. Where is the Constitutional justification to pay death benefits to fallen cops, as admirable an idea as that is? Shouldn’t that be the duty of the local governments that these cops work for?
As to what you “refuse” to do, that doesn’t much interest me.
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a couple of things
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:55AM EST (link)1. I completely understand how I could have been misled into thinking you were talking about cuts because of the headline and because of this
Of course, I had the disadvantage of reading this post, something you apparently avoided.
I’m not defending the program in any way, but, at no point in your post did you object to the funding of the program so this seems to me to be a late arriving attempt to change the subject.
This type of bogus, contrived outrage makes our job a lot harder because other than being bull****, yelling “wolf” every two minutes destroys our credibility.
If you want to make a fool of yourself, knock yourself out, it means zip to me. Just do it in the diaries, not on the front page.
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... and that, folks
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 8:43AM EST (link)… and that, folks, is why the left finds it so easy to divide and conquer us.
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Warner, people like you help the left
Achance (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 8:57AM EST (link)“divide and conquer” us. You overstate and misrepresent constantly. The truth is good enough. Try it, I think you might like it.
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I wouldn't go that far
Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 8:59AM EST (link)Helping the left? I doubt that. But all this fighting certainly distracts our side.
A little re-checking before posting wouldn’t hurt our side a bit.
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Actually, I'm on WTH's side on this one.
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:03AM EST (link)This is how they would have reported it from 2001-2008; so they can darn well report it this way in 2009-2012.
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There's always splitting the difference and posting some of these to diaries (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:05AM EST (link)RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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if that were the headline
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:55PM EST (link)we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
But it isn’t.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I am sure
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:17AM EST (link)I am sure that not everything I post is a gem.
But to be so stupid as to say “people like you…” blah, blah, blah is precisely why conservatives have difficulty coming together in any kind of coalition. You and Streiff with your stiff-necked, self-importance are exactly the problem with the “no true Scotsman” version of conservatism.
The slightest deviation from the road you think “proper” causes you to wholly disown anyone that doesn’t fit your perfect world. This is the sort of delusional world where all that is “good and right” is also perfectly clear to one and all (or else you disown) and this makes for an impossible political majority when it turns out that SOME things aren’t so clear to everyone.
I am just as hide-bound on my principles as the next guy, but at some point a workable majority has to be cobbled together. Unfortunately, that means that sometimes we have to bend a tad sometimes we have to overlook an unguarded moment of a harebrained idea. It’s a lesson the founders taught that few conservatives seem to want to listen to. (You want harebrained ideas? Read Jefferson sometime!)
As far as this post goes… sure, maybe it isn’t the best work I’ve ever done. Maybe I hit on all cylinders on fewer occasions than I’d like. Such is life. Can’t be perfect all the time and don’t claim to be and all that. But it is simply a childish, stupid, self-destructive, and wholly ignorant thing to say that after everything I’ve done I “help the left.”
I would posit, on the other hand, that you and Streiff could be just as bad at “helping the left” by spending more time looking to find who on YOUR OWN SIDE to disown than in attacking the enemy.
What makes you any different than Meagan McLame, Ross Douthat, or Frum, all folks that spend more time attacking their own than in attacking the left? You both make it hard to see the difference.
But, unlike both of you, I do not doubt your sincerity in support of conservative principles.
So, if you feel I am so worthless I invite you both to stop reading my work. I understand your position and we can all move forward and take it as understood. If I don’t fit in around here, I am sure it will become clear soon enough as enough hints have been laid already. I will, of course, be disappointed, but my life will go on quite well, I assure you.
Do enjoy your Sunday. Say a prayer for us all when you go to Church today. We all need a nod from the big guy in these tough times.
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Warner, I think the problems you site are more related to the
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:24AM EST (link)rs culture than the GOP but I could be wrong. I love your work bro.
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Warner you are as welcome here as anyone here!...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:26AM EST (link)If I were you I would ignore the jealous and stick to whatt you continue to do the best and tell the story as the media would have told it 2001-2008 (hattip to Moe)!
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It's BOTH
red4ever (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:43AM EST (link)The budget is being cut. Which means that when that money is gone, those folks entitled to receive the funds will have to wait for their money until the next budget cycle. No, the money won’t be found somewhere else. It just delays the claim process. You don’t send in a death certificate, receive a check for $300K. Like any other bureaucratic mess, there is a whole process to go through. A very long and tortured process now made longer by a lack of funds.
The fact that the budget is being cut which will result in delays of paying claims to deserving families is not being reported by the media. Why? It will make the One look bad. He is the empathy president, so he can’t be seen as cutting money to deserving people. There are probably other reasons.
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Do the math
BlueLandRed (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:27AM EST (link)131 dead police officers
$300,000 pay out per officer
$39,300.000 total payout.
$60,000,000 is more than enough to cover the pay outs.
The question is, why do those Washington bureaucrats need $20 million dollars to pay out $40 million?
simply not how the program works
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:44PM EST (link)that isn’t how this or any other entitlement program works. If the program comes up short other funds are reprogrammed to pay the difference.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Have you every represented
red4ever (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:10PM EST (link)someone who tried to get these benefits? I have a friend who did. Took TEN YEARS to get the check. So, go ahead, tell me how this program just cuts a check and all is good.
You know what the money goes to? The freaking bureaucrats who process the claim and take TEN YEARS to do it.
Try looking into how the program actuall functions before you sound off on this.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
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as I said above
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:34PM EST (link)If you want to criticize me or my views, have at it. I’m a big boy. But I will require that my views be accurately represented and not symbolized by some bogus straw man.
1. I don’t think the program should be a federal program, if it is to get federal money– and I am more than a little unclear on why the federal government should be involved in this — the money should be in the form of a grant to state governments for this purpose.
2. Try reading the post before commenting. It would save all concerned a lot of time. Whether or not the program actually works is irrelevant in regards to this post. The post is railing at cutting the budget authority for the program down to a level that is 50% higher than was obligated last year. Now I suppose you could argue that if it was funded at $100M and took 10 years to process a claim then if you cut it to $60M it will take 20 years but that really isn’t the subject here and I’m not sure I’d disagree with you.
3. My only point in regards to this post is that it reflects a total ignorance, or deliberate disregard, of how this and other entitlement programs work.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Good points
richris Sunday, May 10th at 7:07PM EST (link)Now if you would put as much effort in policing the shenanigans of Obama and Company, an admirable public service will have been performed.
a few points here.
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:04PM EST (link)If you can find a single contributor here who has ever heard me hold up myself as a “true conservative” I’ll kiss your butt at high noon and give you an hour to draw a crowd. Of the philosophical spread on the site I probably am the second contributor to the right of Moe Lane. So criticize me if you will, but at least base it on my record. In other words, show me more respect than you do your toss off posts.
Our currency is credibility. If the underlying story is grossly misrepresented that hurts the site. This particular crock is not unusual, simply the last straw as we discussed this exact same story yesterday afternoon on our email list. Why you posted this, knowing in advance the objections to this story, simply boggles the mind.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
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dt (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:47PM EST (link)nt
That's exactly the point WTH.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:49AM EST (link)When we are surrounded by a real disaster why do we bother to erect straw dummies like this one? And your “outrage” at the media is silly.
Pick a real issue. There are no shortage.
Cut lifetime pay for Congress after they have 'fallen'
catlady Saturday, May 9th at 3:52PM EST (link)First what is needed is to cut the ‘pay for the afterlife’ of the all those voted out of the house and the senate, ‘fallen’ from office so to speak. How about cutting their after-office benefit before the families of fallen officers?. I’ll compare it to BO’s charity tax cut reasoning – he wants to prove a charitable heart shouldn’t be driven by money if true charity exists. Same can be applied to Congress – reinstitute their true ‘civic duty’ over high paid office and retirement power.
What about 'fallen' congress members??
catlady Saturday, May 9th at 4:02PM EST (link)What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out of congress. Bring back their ‘civic duty’ instead of money incentive similar to BO’s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction – if they are truly charitable, they don’t need money incentives.
To take it out of the realm of the personal to the purely technical...
Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 10:31AM EST (link)…the grammatical error in the title of the post renders it incorrect & misleading.
“Obama to Cut Slain Officer’s Benefits in Half” means that a particular slain officer’s benefits have been cut. This is clearly not the case.
“Obama to Cut Slain Officers’ Benefits in Half” would be more correct, but still misleading. As Streiff has pointed out, it’s the budget that has been cut. That’s an administrator’s prerogative. Nobody has cut any actual benefits, nor can they.
A more accurate headline might be: “Budget for Slain Officers’ Benefits Slashed; Where’s the Outrage?” Admittedly less punchy, but more aligned with the point you’re trying to make.
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Steve Maley (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 10:34AM EST (link)Same misuse in subhead, BTW.
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WTH: Take Vladimir's advice. Change the title. [nt]
Martin Knight (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 10:52AM EST (link)Not to pile on, but I had
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:16AM EST (link)a similar problem. I thought that current recipient(s) benefits were to be cut.
WTH, it's a good diary, and I agree with Martin & Vladimir
David123 (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:49AM EST (link)It would be better with this title, “Budget for Slain Officers’ Benefits Slashed; Where’s the Outrage?”
David123
bingo
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:35PM EST (link)exactly right
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
My dad died in the line of duty
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 10:36AM EST (link)in 1988, leaving behind my mom, a home maker at the time, to take care of me and my brother (who were 8 and 4 respectively), without a father and without our primary source of income. Getting life back to normal after his death was not easy.
Programs like this one help families get back on their feet and survive after their officer has died in the line of duty, ie, protecting us. I’m a budget hawk but this, like the military and veterans programs, is one area where I don’t mind my tax dollars going. These people keep us safe and put their lives in harm’s way every single day. The least we can do is make sure we take care of them.
It makes me extremely angry that the president can find (or more accurately borrow foreign) money and mortgage our childrens’ futures and dole it out to idiotic things like funding for abortions overseas, but wants to cut money going to people who have paid the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the rest of us.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
And I'd just like to add
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 10:53AM EST (link)that lumping this program in with the “entitlements” is highly offensive to me. Families of officers who died in the line of duty are not even remotely in the same ball park as those who look to the government regularly for a hand-out.
I didn’t ask for my dad to die and neither do the other officer’s families. Just like military families, we know it’s a dangerous job and there’s a chance it may happen, but we hope and pray every day that it doesn’t.
So please don’t put these people in the same category as those who are buying steak and booze with their food stamps. It’s not the same thing.
Mandy P.
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Maybe you misunderstand what an entitlement is then (nt)
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I understand what an entitlement is, sir
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 1:43PM EST (link)My point is that the derisive sneer with which the term is usually intoned is not deserving in this instance. We’re not talking about people who are happy to be rolling in the sweet government cheese. I’d wager that all of the families would much rather have their officer back than a check from Uncle Sam.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
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if you understood
streiff (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:48PM EST (link)what an entitlement is, I’d fail to see how you could be offended by calling it what it is.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I will say again...
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 2:24PM EST (link)My point is that the derisive sneer with which the term is usually intoned is not deserving in this instance.
When the commentors above call it an entitlement, they’re saying it with the same sneer as when talking about the people who are sitting around and doing nothing but waiting for the government to hand them something. This program is not the same. This is temporary assistance to aid families whose officer has sacrificed him/herself for the safety of the rest of us.
I can tell you from personal experience that the vast majority of these people do not feel “entitled” to taxpayer money.
Now, we can argue whether or not this assistance should be the responsibility of the feds or the states and that’s valid. But the question is would we use the same derisive term to describe a program giving aid to the families of fallen military members? I certainly would not.
I’ve seen plenty of unpleasant sentiment directed at the feds on this very website whenever the subject of cutting funding for vets and their families comes up. It’s the same thing. One group of people defend us overseas. The other defends us on our own soil. That’s the difference.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
I would also like to add
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 2:30PM EST (link)that I personally consider funding for our safety officers, military and the families of the fallen an investment in our safety, not an entitlement. You may not agree and that’s fine.
The Constitution states the federal government is supposed to provide for our common defense and I would think that defending us in our own streets falls under that heading. Which is why I said in my original post that this is one of the few areas I don’t actually mind spending my tax dollars.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
I think you're somewhat misinterpreting "common defense"
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:49PM EST (link)The authors of the Constitution assumed that each State was responsible for the common defense within its borders – and that would include what we call police duty.
What they were referring to was that the Federal government would provide a structure for states to band resources together to defend the nation from threats to the nation that were external threats or an insurrection that was beyond the ability of an individual state to handle.
So yes, “common defense” is a duty of the nation, but police work in general is a state or local level exercise of that “common defense”. Which also makes it an appropriate use of tax dollars at what ever level it is exercised.
Nonetheless, in 2009, with all the other rearrangements to the relationships between the federal government and the state in the intervening year, it may be more expedient to have such a program at the federal level. I’m open to reasons for that – especially since I haven’t previously thought about it.
But is does seem clear that this is not a duty that the Constitution envisions as being a federal duty.
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Heh... An entitlement is an entitlement, whoever is benefiting.
The_Rebel (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:40PM EST (link)Just like VA loan guarantees are available to spouses of military veterans who died while in service, were missing in action, or were prisoners of war. Those guarantees allow the veteran’s spouse to borrow money to buy a home without the need for a cash down payment. Generally, lenders will lend up to 4 times the amount of the entitlement with no cash investment by the borrower.
Mandy
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:11PM EST (link)I mourn for your loss. My Father was a policeman all my life, so I know from worrying if he might not have come home one night.. I am glad this program helped you, of course, but I still don’t see it as a federal issue.
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I don't necessarily see it as a federal issue either
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 1:47PM EST (link)My point is that whether it’s continued at the state level or the federal level, it does need to be continued. And considering we just spent $400K to study gay sex in Argentinian bars (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/08/government-funds-study-gay-sex-argentina-bars/), I think that if the feds are intent on spending our money it would be much better spent on people who’ve given their lives for our safety.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
Mandy, I agree that we do need to properly honor those we put in harm's way
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:40PM EST (link)And that means helping to look after their families. That’s the central principle, and I think the RedState family strongly supports that.
As to how to administer such programs, that’s a legitimate discussion, and it may well be that a Federal program is not the way we should be going – so long as lower levels of government or private entities pick up the slack.
But again, I would hope you don’t view such discussions as an attack on or denial of our obligations as a society to those who have paid with their lives for our protection and safety.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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Civil what about life insurance and savings?
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:10PM EST (link)I don’t understand the obligation to provide for their families. Providing for one’s family after death seems like a personal responsibility.
There's a subtle but critical distinction here that needs to be understood
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:52PM EST (link)Indeed, much of the dispute between left and right center around this distinction.
(And BTW, I suspect that almost all police officers do carry some life insurance; their savings depends on their personal finances – along with the amount of insurance. So it’s not an issue of rewarding irresponsiblity or anything like that.)
Perhaps my reference to obligation was not the best word to have chosen without further refinement.
What I was referring to was an “obligation” that constitutes a “debt of honor” – that is an obligation that we as a society voluntarily assume in forming a compact to provide for “common defense” we have a special duty to come along side the families of those slain in the line of duty because it’s the right and honorable thing to do.
The specifics of how we discharge this debt of course are open to discussion. But this debt of honor remains.
The distinction is that I am not subscribing to the basis that the left would characteristically argue – that the families have a right to such support. The families do not have an intrinsic claim upon us to assist them, which is what a right would entail.
Rather, again, it’s a duty or obligation that we as a society have voluntarily taken upon ourselves in our compacting together to provide for the “common defense”
The same as with our soldiers.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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thank you civil :) nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 4:02PM EST (link)Thank you.
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 8:38PM EST (link)I appreciate your understanding (and apparently articulating better than I did) what I was trying to say. As I said previously, none of these people feel that the government owes them anything. Yet, it is a debt of honor we owe them for their sacrifice. Same with the military. The men and women in uniform, be it that of a military, or a public safety officer, deserve our respect and all the assistance we can give them as do their families when they fall.
And yes, most do carry some type of life insurance. However, that can take a long time to come through. In my own circumstance, it was well over a year before my mom received compensation from my dad’s life insurance policy. At the time I don’t think this program was in place (or we didn’t know the right people to get access to it as the COPS organization wasn’t running in our area until the late 1990s and it’s not automatic enrollment) and we had nothing in the interim. Mom got a job, of course, but having home maker on your resume (especially at the time) wasn’t exactly considered a stellar qualification for a higher paying job.
We made it, but it would have been nice if we had something like this program to help fill in the gaps before the insurance money got there.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
There are thousands of examples
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:14PM EST (link)of stupid spending like that. That doesn’t give us reason to say they should spend money in other places they should not. Our argument should stop at saying the first thing was wrong.
You can't buy booz with food stamps
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:57PM EST (link)Your criticizing the word entitlement because you are equating the word with *only* public assistance programs. At the same you complained about fallen officier families being seen as waiting for a handout (due to your definition of the word entitlement) you wrote a lie and reinforced false stereotypes about those on public assistance.
Not true
Mandy P. Saturday, May 9th at 8:30PM EST (link)I’ve seen it done. In the store. The person right in front of me in the line. Bought booze, cigs and steak with food stamps.
Mandy P.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
-Thomas Jefferson
It should be noted that the NRA pays $25,000
Tbone (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:24AM EST (link)the family of an officer/NRA Member killed in the line of duty.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
tbone that is awesome nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 3:39PM EST (link)Great Gift for National Police Week!
Big Apple Infidel (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:26PM EST (link)This is a man who is friends with domestic terrorist cop killers. If he or Holder have the nerve to address the assembled police detail in front of the Capitol at the annual Police Memorial on May 15th, the assembled officers should do an about face and give him their backs during his speech.
Greetings from occupied territory!
I work with a lot of cops...
phxg (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:42PM EST (link)and they are fairly exclusively against Obama. At least here in Phoenix. They are almost exclusively against the media too.
I do not foresee any outrage over the media duplicity and cheer leading of the Obama but I expect a considerable vocalization of the program cuts. This will, I suspect will account for nothing in the scheme of things.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. –Aristotle
What about 'fallen' congress members?
catlady Saturday, May 9th at 4:08PM EST (link)What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out. Bring back their ‘civic duty’ instead of money incentive similar to BO’s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction – if they are truly charitable, they don’t need money incentives. They should have announced this kind of cut first before the officers since BO is supposedly after the rich high paid individuals.
This program should not be cut. It should be eliminated.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 4:56PM EST (link)What the hell is the federal government doing providing death benefits to police officers who work for somebody other than the federal government. If that’s an important and desirable thing then let the jurisdictions they work for provide the benefit either directly or through insurance.