healthcare plans that already exist, e.g., public employer plans, Medicare/Medicaid, and the SCHIP deriviatives. Politicians and politicized bureaucrats are absolutely unable to resist pressure from constituent groups that want things covered, so whatever isn’t covered will be if the people who want it yell loudly enough.

surgery (it’s “gender” not “genter” BTW - get a spell checker) and we’ll lose heart shunts except on a “scheduled six to nine months out” plan. Government sponsored health care will eventually lower the overall cost of health care because rationing will kill off the older and less productive people more quickly.

This isn’t about liposuction or viagra - it is about the claim of a “right” to such items.

Health care isn’t a right and this diary points it out beautifully.

Because that’s the only excuse that would be legitimate for the amount of words you have mangled in your brief commenting sojourn at RedState.

I will be the first to honor your command to forget about globle warming.

what-the-hell-ever-that-is, I’ll pretend it’s “pollution”, you wouldn’t have waltzed into our foyer and messed on our floor.

And hey, “we” haven’t “defined” anything. Stupid.

By focusing on a few of you pet peeves (and in the process ignoring the issue behind the post: is healthcare a “right” or no), you stirred up a hornet’s nest.

Which is a shame since you don’t seem doing the usual parroting of leftist talking points, at least on certain points.

So here’s where to go if you actually want to contribute to the conversation at RedState rather than be a source of entertainment on a slow day:

1) When you’re new at RedState, you need to be on you best behavior. At this point, you’ll have to do even better because you’ve not exactly gotten off to a good start. In fact it’s been rather hideous.

2) Please keep to the topic at hand. Your comments about the content of health plans isn’t really germane to this post, but there have been other posts about healtcare where this issue is more germane. Make your comments there. Similarly, Global Warming Climate Change is a frequent topic here, and if you’re patient, you’ll find a post sooner of later. But this is not the thread for that.

3) Particularly when you’re new here, appearances are important. And we do tend to be a bit old-fashioned here at RedState in terms of wanting standard English grammar and coherent thoughts. That means a) using a spell-check to detect errors (plus a visual exam to look for homonyms and other errors that spell-check doesn’t pick up; b) writing in complete sentences; c) avoiding ad hominemss and animus, sticking with facts rather than ascribing motives to others here; d) coherent pargraphs and development of your arguments.

I may well be wasting my time with this comment, but if you’re serious about participating here, this is your recovery plan.

If libs are defining rights now as something that is subsidized, I’d like to know where my free gun is?

You not only have a right to all the health care you can pay for, you have a right to DECIDE what health care you will pay for.

Anyone who thinks that a government-run system is going to give them more options and free choice should stop in at the DMV some time and try to get a drivers llcense in a color other than the one specified by the state.

My you are brainwashed.

First. there is NO POSITIVE MORALITY to nationalized healthcare. All you have to do is look at the real state of nationalized service across the world (not your anecdotal evidence) to see that it is anything but compassionate.

Second, The difference in a government gatekeeper and a private one is not the profit motive, It is the difference between a beuracracy that is a few steps removed from the feedback of it’s customers and one which is totally removed from the will of its customers.

As for your gratuitous assertions that it amounts to amoral view I could ask WHO THE HELL DIED AND MADE YOU GOD? What is the difference between you trying to push your morality on me and if I decide to try to use the laws to end all abortion, or anything else/

But since it is such a moral imperative to you then I am quite certain that a very large percentage of your own personal income goes directly to medical charities doesn’t it? Huh?

You don’t doubt that we would do national health care better than anyone else in the world. Why is it then that a relatively small group (when compared to nationaized healthcare) of 8 million veterans have complained for years about their inadequate treatment at the hands of your U.S Department of Veterans Affairs health care program, sponsored and run by the U.S. government?:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/broken_government/articles/entry/1041/

Despite the Bush administration throwing additional money at VA health care in recent years, the GAO still maintains that the issues facing veterans in receiving proper medical care are among the “urgent issues” facing the Obama administration. If we haven’t been able to fix this health care system for decades, how can we possibly take on national health care? Let’s get veterans the care they deserve first, then we can discuss where we go from there.

BTW, since all illegal aliens are obviously in need, I presume that you will extend health care benefits to them also, under your “morally right thing to do” argument.

Based on your definition of rights, all I can say is thank God you will never be a candidate for SCOTUS.

Someone’s got to pay for it, either directly, through tax money, or insurance premiums.

I find it really scary that a health czar could be appointed who would decide whether or not you are worthy to receive healthcare.

Agree that the current health insurance system isn’t perfect, but maintaining a tension/competition between various companies strikes me as safer than concentrating all power in the hands of the government.

Other countries, to some extent, benefit from the health research conducted here - they get the medicines and techniques but often to pay the same average toward supporting development costs. Other posters have noted that to some extent America is subsidizing Canadian healthcare by treating Canadians in American hospitals.

You must not be enjoying your Promised Land quite as much as you thought you would be.

Ta.

Liberty is not the right to do what one wants, but the right to do what one must.

I’m curious - exactly who gets to decide what I “must” do? If it’s me, then the difference between the two definitions becomes one of minor semantics (what I “want” to do versus what I feel I “must” do).

However, I suspect that in your worldview, what the individual “must” do is defined by the collective, most likely in the form of some sort of government entity. If that’s the case, then your statement is the sort of Orwellian doublespeek deines liberty as opression.

Thanks, but no thanks. I’ll take the first definition. In point of fact, if it came down to a choice between condemning my children to living under such a system, or dying a slow, lingering death from a cancer I can’t afford to treat, I’d take the cancer.

that we are already being reminded how this “Taxing HC Benefits” was McCain’s idea…. That is PARTIALLY TRUE, of course, as the MSM and the Democrats (and McLame won’t bother to defend himself and/or his plan because he hadn’t really thought it through and will work with Teddy Kennedy AGAIN on this because he is getting his ego stroked over this being his idea) are now distorting the original concept to make it a method to drive people OFF private HC to the Public they will create…. INCREMENTALISM yet again…

If they don’t create the Public plan immediately, they CLAIM they don’t want to and wont - but we all know that is just diversion distraction LYING as usual…. Even IF McCain had got elected and the Republicans would have AT LEAST SOME SAY we would have avoided the Public plan, the Tax would have had the expressed intent of helping to fund SCHIP and some other program to cover Adults w/o HC, but people would have still had the responsibility for themselves. The HC Tax would have been on the PREMIUM PLANS (as McCain laid out) where-as ObamaBinBiden HC Tax will be on ALL HC PLANS.

Anyway… enough defending McCain’s also pathetic campaign HC plan….. because now we have someone going at McCain in a Primary, finally that we can support Nationally for his AZ Senate seat. (see also: Conservative Candidates). Will we be able to unseat him from the Senate? We sure wont if we do NOT try!!! There is a link in that Conservative Candidates to McLame’s opponents campaign and to donate.

*leaders* in our party have. Either because they’re stupid, gutless, clueless or desirous of Georgetown cocktail circuit status (or all of the above) they apparently have neither the ability or inclination to actually change the premise of the question.

Sigh!