I am wondering when the euthanasia folks are going to start touting this one? I mean, it sure seemed to me as if the most caring, most civil, most intelligent president evah just said that healthcare could be cheaper if we don’t give old folks and the infirm the full measure of care they now get. It appeared that Obama said we should just let them die or suffer because they aren’t worth the effort. Imagine if Bush had said something like this? The left wouldn’t have hesitated to call him any manner of names.
Obama said during the ABC Special on Wednesday night that a way to save healthcare costs is to abandon the sort of care that “evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve” the patient’s health. He went on to say that he had personal familiarity with such a situation when his grandmother broke her hip after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
Obama offered a question on the efficacy of further care for his grandmother saying, “and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?”
But who is it that will present the “evidence” that will “show” that further care is futile? Are we to believe that Obama expects individual doctors will make that decision in his bold new government controlled healthcare future? If he is trying to make that claim it is a flat out untruth and he knows it.
Does your homebuilder negotiate with your city hall over whether you get a building permit, or does the permit get levied no matter what? Does a cop decide if you really broke the law, or does he simply arrest you and let the courts hash it out? Does your tax preparer negotiate with the IRS or is he supposed to just calculate your tax bill on their terms and have you pay the required amount?
Government does not work by negotiation. Government does not work from the bottom up. It works from the top down. This singular fact means that no doctor will be deciding if you are too old or infirm to get medical care. It will be a medically untrained bureaucrat that sets a national rule that everyone will have to obey. There won’t be any room for your grandma to have a different outcome than anyone else’s.
So, what will it be then? Who will decide when medical care is just too expensive to bother with? Who will be left to perish because they just aren’t worth the lifesaving effort? Well, for sure it won’t be any members of Congress or anyone that works for the federal government because they won’t be expected to suffer under the nationally socialized plan. It also won’t be Obama’s buddies in the unions who are about to be similarly exempted from the national plan, at least if Senator Max Baucus has his way.
Ah, but we are told that Obama’s ideas on healthcare are “evolving,” dontcha know? During the recent campaign for president (that was only 7 months ago, if you’ll recall) Obama insisted that he would never tax your healthcare benefits from work. He even ridiculed McCain for proposing such a plan. Lately, however, he’s “evolved” toward saying that such a new tax is on the table. What about his stance against fining people and businesses that don’t join his UberPlan? He was against that sort of coerciveness before. Now he’s “evolved.”
Originally, he said it was “healthcare for all,” but as of Wednesday night, it seems he’s “evolved” to say that only those worth the bother should get healthcare. The rest should be left to died and/or suffer. If he does any more “evolving” we’ll all be finding just who is “worth” what as far as he and his Democrats are concerned. Somehow I’d guess that many of you reading this today won’t quite be worth as much as certain others!
Let’s hope none of us are ever in a position to find out if Obamacare deems our grandmothers worth saving.
And what ever happened to the left’s mantra that healthcare is a “right” and that money should never enter into a life or death decision? Now The One is saying it’s just too darn expensive to save the old and infirm? Will our friends on the left now disown Obama the “murderer”?

Want to hear something even scarier?
wordsarepower Thursday, June 25th at 7:17AM EDT (link)A couple of years ago I was teaching my 8th grade class and we were having a discussion over a story or something when the subject of the elderly and nursing homes came up. I brought up the incredible cost inflicted upon families sometimes and one brainchild said: “Why don’t we just put them to sleep like an old dog?” Literally. About half the class agreed and the other half was appalled. I;ll never forget it as long as I’m allowed to live.
8th graders…our future…our caretakers.
Disgusting
Warner Todd Huston Thursday, June 25th at 7:30AM EDT (link)No empathy whatever.
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it is worse than lack of empathy
Doc Holliday Thursday, June 25th at 7:41AM EDT (link)it is a lack of freedom. Damn any government that tells me when my parents are no longer worthy of healthcare! I am living this situation, I know my parents will not see another decade. I have medical power of attorney, not Obama. Anyone who tries to override my decision, well…I will stop typing now.
Molon Labe!
Couldn't we find, oh, about $787 billion to care for our grandmas?
6eorge Jetson Thursday, June 25th at 7:39AM EDT (link)Ahh, once they’re dead, they’ll vote for the Democrat for sure.
Sadly, I'm not surprised
WarEagle01 Thursday, June 25th at 7:42AM EDT (link)I have an eighth grader at home who is very conservative (thank God I guess I did something right in raising him) and also seems to be very empathetic. I think the latter partly comes from helping to take care of a disabled younger sister. But he has told me some stories about similarly stupid things his classmates have said in class.
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
sans ethics
commonsense247 Thursday, June 25th at 8:42AM EDT (link)not taught at home, actively attacked at school… these are the results we’re left with.
the parents of those kids who thought euthanasia is a good solution should have been put to sleep before they spawned offspring.
The Obama Healthcare Plan.....
Kenny Solomon Thursday, June 25th at 7:38AM EDT (link)….. A combination of Logan’s Run and Soylent Green, with extra paperwork and hearings.
In the meantime and on a personal level, my parents (dad’s 88 and mom’s 83) are together in a nursing home. The first inkling that something’s amiss with their care and treatment beacuse of any government edict or bureaucratic nonsense, I’ll have to be ‘bug zapped’ to stop me from starting a real shooting war.
Really.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Don't Forget
WarEagle01 Thursday, June 25th at 7:47AM EDT (link)ZARDOZ
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
Great analogy
DerKrieger Thursday, June 25th at 8:06AM EDT (link)I completely agree with the Logan’s Run analogy and not only on health care. I think the ultimate goal of the eco-Marxists on the Left is to force us all into cities enclosed in giant Habitrails like in Logan’s Run to protect the environment from We the People.
I’m getting closer and closer to being ready for the real shooting war myself. The Left are totalitarians. Inch by inch we’re moving there.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” - Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence (OBAMACARE – mine), the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Soylent Green is made from people?!
Raven Thursday, June 25th at 10:32AM EDT (link)…How is it?
Oh, it varies from person to person…
sorry. had to.
“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”
It just isn't done any more.
Achance Thursday, June 25th at 7:51AM EDT (link)Few have any experience of the aging and dying any more. In my youth, I knew my grandparents and evern, for awhile, great grandparents. I was considered the family duty to take care of them in their dottage, and it isn’t an easy thing. I think it is pretty much and impossible thing for a working couple - and that’s a whole ‘nuther diary.
We all managed to do right by the elders up though my grandmother; she spent her last days incompetent and incontinent, but she spent them at home and she died in her own bed. I was far away so all I did was contribute some money, not enough looking back, and my sister had the duty mostly. That said, she lived in a house on the family place that she’s never made a mortgage payment on; that’s one of those family things and it has its own price.
We couldn’t do it for our parents because we were both working and just couldn’t take care of them. My dad never was really incapacitated; he ran his store until the end, not very well, but he ran it, and went from his store to the doctor, to the hospital, to his grave. Not a bad way, I guess. We ultimately couldn’t take care of my mother, so she had to go to a nursing home and ended her days there.
I don’t know; we’ve provided for ourselves unless Comrade Obama confiscates it, but it seemed that the choice was being taken care of by family who resented it or by healthcare workers who saw you as a piece of furniture. I don’t want my children to resent me - more than they already do anyway. Hopefully, I’ll retain the presence of mind to just take a long walk on the glacier or have the courage to have oral sex with my PPK.
In Vino Veritas
A barrel roll through a barn in an old byplane
Raven Thursday, June 25th at 10:40AM EDT (link)I rather like the idea of “With my boots on.”
For those who don’t get the reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFiGVs-srho
“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”
That's good movie! nt
Achance Thursday, June 25th at 2:01PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
Generational Politics
tedpomeroy Thursday, June 25th at 7:56AM EDT (link)Look at the demographics.
Thanks to RR the GOP owned the WWII generation. Well, my mother is 84 and I did not have the time to get her to the polls for a primary recently.
Let us focus on the Echo Boomers. Born 1990 to 2000. Big group. Here they go to the biggest special interest group rip-off there is, post-secondary education. DC has lots of loan programs so the college industry can get paid.
But, what if we refocused the Dept of Ed to protecting undergrads and grads?
What if there were alternative means for degree credit?
Please read my diary, NO STUDENT LEFT BEHIND.
The Newest US Government Sponsored Growth Industry
wolfgang Thursday, June 25th at 8:23AM EDT (link)Chains of little Auschwitzes, Buchenwalds, and Dachaus strung out over the rural hillsides, all busily receiving the ill and infirm white Social Security recipients, paid on a bonus system of how quickly they take in these once productive society members and return them back to their families, their ashes in boxed urns.
The Nazis march once again in THE OBAMBI’s zeal to get Social Security’s health care costs under control. It was Nazi Germany, in the early pre Holocaust days, that broached and advocated the position that the ill and handicapped people were a drain on the German economy and society and needed to be disposed of.
The Left keeps looking to the Right for the first appearance of the world’s next Hitler, yet interestingly enough and, as Al Pacino admonished his understudy in the movie “The Devil’s Advocate”, “Never let them see you coming!” he’s apparently alive and thriving in the guise of Barack Hussein Obama. The intelligentsia on the Left aren’t even batting an eyelid.
The Left has probably been too busy strapping on their own Chris Matthews’ leg bags to contain the tingle they feel running down their legs when they hear THE OBAMBI’s name mentioned or hear him speak to notice.
As a warning to those of us, white, male and sixty and over, the prototypical Republican voter, it is to your advantage to get whatever elective medical processes you feel are necessary done now, because under ObamaCare, THE OBAMBI would much rather see you die quietly of a failure to treat than have to order his ACORN thugs to shoot you openly in the street.
THE OBAMBI was first noticed politically by his adroit manipulation of the system that allowed him to run unopposed for office. His fondest wish is to govern unopposed.
Soylent Green, anyone?
Erick Brockway Thursday, June 25th at 8:27AM EDT (link)MMmmmmm!
Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
Ronald Reagan
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Abortion <-> ObamaCare
loganyung Thursday, June 25th at 8:42AM EDT (link)So, with Abortion, it’s between a woman and a doctor. But, for a hip replacement, it’s between the Government and the doctor? I don’t get it.
Eldercare: How much is enough and who decides?
fraydna52 Thursday, June 25th at 9:05AM EDT (link)My grandmother had a pacemaker put in at age 90, and lived 9 more years, seven of them in her own home, still preparing meals for family every Sunday. My dad, age 84, had 2 stents at age 79 after a mild heart attack. Mom, age 79, had a pacemaker put in 3 years ago. They still live in their own home, and Mom still takes homemade food to sick people. Dad taught Sunday School up until a few months ago. They still have much value to their family and community.
I am sickened and disgusted by the way Obama is determined to have this country follow him off the cliff on healthcare like mindless lemmings. I think he knows how wrong this is and doesn’t care. I’d hate for my children to be like him.
My dad passed away a few years ago,
The_Rebel Thursday, June 25th at 1:11PM EDT (link)and he had been in a nursing home for ten years due to a stroke. After he had been there for about four years, his heart had become weaker and he needed a pacemaker. From my reading of Obama’s words, it is questionable whether he would have received this pacemaker if we were under Obamacare then. Never mind that it allowed my mother and their children and families to enjoy the companionship of my dad for another six years. And never mind the fact that my father served this country admirably on a destroyer for three years in the Pacific theater during WWII.
Go to hell Obama!
Yeah, everyone is not the same...
larueladue Thursday, June 25th at 1:59PM EDT (link)My parents (74 and 72, one with 1/2 a lung taken by cancer and a pacemaker, the other with double knee replacements last January) are “taking care” of my grandparents (91 and 86, one with a hip replacement 15 years ago, and the other with double knee replacements 5 years ago), all 4 living on on my grandparents property (separate houses, though). However, “taking care” of my grandparents mainly consists of keeping them off the roof to fix shingles, not plowing all the back acres in one day, not planting a large 1 acre garden (nobody eats that much nowadays, and they have no more storage room for canned and preserved goods), and not driving 2 hours into the big town for an oil change at the dealer. They are all doing fine, but I bet my father wouldn’t have lived through the cancer and heart problems if health care was rationed, and my grandparents and mother would be crippled now…
“Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.” - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (Vegetius) in “De Re Militari,” Book III.
Yes, he did.
evanm Thursday, June 25th at 9:21AM EDT (link)But that’s not all he said:
He said, in more words, “I would let your mother die to save money.”
That’s a little more personal than just “old folks,” methinks.
Where's the empathy the left is always screaming about?
Karina Thursday, June 25th at 10:09AM EDT (link)NOW they don’t want to be subjective? Just base people’s health on computer models? Love it.
Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama
The empathy is drumming
blooch Thursday, June 25th at 3:23PM EDT (link)her fingers, waiting impatiently for her seat on the Supreme Court.
“I have to admit that Karl Marx (1818-1883) was a smart man. He was, in many ways, a psychologist.”–drealoth
Still
Warner Todd Huston Thursday, June 25th at 9:25AM EDT (link)Still, he lied…
Ultimately that’s going to be between physicians and patients.”
No, no it won’t. It will be a bureaucrat that makes the decision. The doctor will have little say.
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That just about sums up this plan to me...
evanm Thursday, June 25th at 9:29AM EDT (link)He lied about it, and it still sounds creepy, expensive, impractical and dangerous.
He got his own freaking infomercial on ABC, and it still sounded creepy, impractical and dangerous.
Surely, this is going to hurt the man politically.
…Right?
Hope so
Warner Todd Huston Thursday, June 25th at 9:31AM EDT (link)Thats why I am blogging about it.
But, I am curious how the lefties will explain this away?
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Yes, how will they explain it to the lg. elderly pop. that voted for him?
penguin2 Thursday, June 25th at 9:56AM EDT (link)I guess he thinks he won’t need their votes. This is an appalling agenda. But we knew that.
Other questions for them:
Are we going to cut off the non-economic producer?
The disabled, through no fault of their own?
The developmentally disabled; they are often a lifetime of an economic and emotional burden to their families and society.
They started with abortion, will now move to infanticide. Now are moving onto the elderly. They’ll include the developmentally disabled and God help one if injured in their young years and they become dependent upon the state for care. By the way, are we going to use chronological years or other “year” measurements?
The moment we start playing God, we are no different than Hitler.
This is an incredible slippery slope; they essentially will have us on a “Cap and Trade” for health care.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
Based that they first went after Trig Palin...
civil_truth Thursday, June 25th at 10:52AM EDT (link)I’d say the developmentally disabled are the next in line - especially since in their view the mother didn’t do the
“socially approved”“medically indicated” measure ofabortingmurdering them in utero, as the goverment would get the biggest bang for theirbuckbullet.And Rightly So!
I feel especially bad for those without siblings
mom2oneson Thursday, June 25th at 10:57AM EDT (link)when they are adults and the parents are gone, to fight for them.
kowalski
mom2oneson Thursday, June 25th at 11:01AM EDT (link)I mean that shouldn’t be necessary, there shouldn’t be Nazi style healthcare, I guess what I’m saying is those without family to interviene are the most vulnerable. I feel bad for those left to the state. Even now there is so much abuse that goes on in group homes and nursing homes.
Another thing is many Christians or people with just descent morals are driven from healthcare or social work because of how things are right now.
Eugenics
Raven Thursday, June 25th at 11:01AM EDT (link)In one word.
“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”
Either 'That question is so 10 minutes ago!' or
The_Gadfly Thursday, June 25th at 2:29PM EDT (link)‘Shut up you _____ racist!’
Yes, they are Non sequiturs, but they will be the standard leftist answers. And a blank so Moe doesn’t have to Blam me, because they don’t know any other way of speaking.
We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.
-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463
If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?
inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156
The doctor will have little say
izoneguy Thursday, June 25th at 9:47AM EDT (link)because there won’t be enough doctors left to say anything.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
555!
larueladue Thursday, June 25th at 2:01PM EDT (link)You beat me to it!
“Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.” - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (Vegetius) in “De Re Militari,” Book III.
A doctor is what the government says a doctor is.
Achance Thursday, June 25th at 2:08PM EDT (link)If they pass this, they will have defeated the AMA, which is largely responsible for articulating the professional standards. If the government says somebody who’s work experience is with ACORN, has a GED, and has a six week, ACORN provided course is a healthcare provider, then they are a healthcare provider.
Looks like a good gig for Americorps or ACORN; gin out a bazillion little Obamacare providers. The universities are in the tank for the communists, so they’ll just adapt their curriculum to whatever the government wants.
In Vino Veritas
What is a healthcare provider?
izoneguy Thursday, June 25th at 2:13PM EDT (link)I have to get blood tests every month. I went to one place and it was horrible. I told my doctor I would blow my brains out if I had to go there every month. So she found a different place. Much better but the techs have gone down hill the last few years. Now I am lucky to leave without severe bruises or a lot of pain. It is really sad because most medical personel don’t give a crap. With Obama Care the crap scale will be broken.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
The end of doctors as we know it.
constitutionalistconservative Thursday, June 25th at 7:01PM EDT (link)It is a given we will see the healthcare industry standards take a nose dive under Obama’s healthcare plan. The once highly esteemed and sought after profession of being a doctor will be brought down to the same level of the mindless zombie drones you see wandering the government complexes feeding off our tax dollars (sorry, but I know no better way to describe many of the government employees I see at government offices).
The best way to protect ourselves (besides fighting this plan by contacting our representatives) is to make and save as much money (legally obviously) as we can, as quick as we can, so we have the means to have other options for our families when the time arrises for medical care. Those with less financial stability (the poor and lower middle class) will be the most susceptible to the poor treatments under Obama’s healthcare plan, as they have no other options.
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Efficacy of Care
Jeff Weimer Thursday, June 25th at 9:40AM EDT (link)Obama’s statement about his grandmother is very interesting.
First, that’s the very thing for which the left EXCORIATES insurance companies, unfeeling corporations and all that. How is it any better when a government bureacracy does it?
Second, that is the type of decision best undertaken between the patient and doctor, why do we need someone else to do a cost/benefit analysis on our FAMILY?
“We stand at once the wonder and admiration of the whole world, and we must enquire what it is that has given us so much prosperity. This cause is that every man can make himself.” - Abraham Lincoln
“Cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience asks the question, is it right?” - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Worse Than Obama Touting Euthanasia....
rcov092 Thursday, June 25th at 9:55AM EDT (link)they trotted out a Doctor from the Mayo clinic to do the same. Anyone thinking of going to the Mayo clinic better rethink that decision. You may get Dr. Mengela.
How many Doctors think this way? It is scary.
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Is this his solution to Medicare/Medicaid costs?
bk Thursday, June 25th at 10:02AM EDT (link)Kill people off who are sucking up too many of those dollars.
I wonder if he has a similar solution to rising welfare costs.
No, those are his voters. He needs them. (nt)
Karina Thursday, June 25th at 10:12AM EDT (link)Stop confusing me with the facts, I’m making up my own imagination. ~My grandmother who voted for Obama
Actually...
D.T. Dickinson Thursday, June 25th at 11:34AM EDT (link)Living people may vote for him. Dead people absolutely will.
- D.T. Dickinson
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis
You're assuming dead people don't vote
bk Thursday, June 25th at 11:34AM EDT (link)I think you've found the test
JustLeaveMeAlone Thursday, June 25th at 11:42PM EDT (link)When does the government deem you too far gone to spend healthcare money on? When you can’t vote Dem anymore.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
I bet they haven't considered the tax consequences of this.
larueladue Thursday, June 25th at 2:05PM EDT (link)Aren’t older people the most productive and consequently the most highly taxed? This legalized euthanasia might significantly erode the tax base… leading to further rationing, etc. A vicious feedback loop….
“Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.” - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (Vegetius) in “De Re Militari,” Book III.
Yes, imagine the loss of income by the Feds
izoneguy Thursday, June 25th at 2:08PM EDT (link)on portfolios that quit making money years earlier.
“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson
Possibly...
D.T. Dickinson Thursday, June 25th at 3:47PM EDT (link)But, increase estate/death taxes by huge amounts, combined with the increase in deaths, plus the guaranteed “life-challenged” vote…it’s killing tons of birds with one stone.
More votes, less population, less experienced/non-propagandized citizens in general society…
- D.T. Dickinson
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis
I assume we no longer have to treat prisoners?
Tbone Thursday, June 25th at 11:31AM EDT (link)How about people who watch the Jerry Springer show? There are lots of useless people we could phase out like short, white baskertball players and anyone with a law degree that got into law school on an affirmative action waiver.
I think we also could ethically withhold treatment from Philadelphia Eagles fans, UAW pensioners and all residents of San Francisco.
I even would go so far as to cut payments for Nancy Pelosi’d botox injections, that would save enough money to pay for Bill Clinton’s STD treatments.
Yep, the more I think about it, I should be in charge of the decision process.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
lol..You would be perfect...but
$peciallist Friday, June 26th at 3:19AM EDT (link)I’ll have to make sure you’ve cheated sufficiently on your taxes…I think the minimum tax discrepancy for that position is $35,000
We can help you reach the min. by adding on any taxes you cheat on next year, retroactively…
Does Obama Thinks Ted Kennedy Should Just Take Some Asprin?
jimmuy8 Thursday, June 25th at 2:46PM EDT (link)Oh, now I’m the one being a cold-heated jerk?
I already know what he spin will be: He meant that families ought to be better informed so they know when further treatment is futile. Straight out the liberal playbook of lies. ‘Cause it’s BS. About 5 years ago a good friend died of cancer. Last few months he was on so much painkiller; it was enough that you or I would be knocked out. At the end, he’s in the hospital bed, doctor says, only thing we can do now is steadily increase the morphine until he loses consciousness and passes. Doctors are already doing what the left will claim Dr. Utopia meant.
Back to abortion: Why the need for more information so families can kill their elderly and infirm but we can’t have mothers shown a sonogram before they kill their baby?
Silly wabbit!
JustLeaveMeAlone Thursday, June 25th at 11:44PM EDT (link)Sonograms cost money!
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson