Comments on: 6 States Want to Nullify Obamacare With Opt Out Law http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/ Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:34:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Mike gamecock DeVine http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8294 Mike gamecock DeVine Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:26:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8294 that could definitively enforce the 10th as a whole. I really think that the 9th and 10th both meant mainly to codify the Declaration of Independence's unalienable rights clause and to make clear that we the people retained rights not listed in the 10th. They were made purposefully vague because they were already protected by their state constitutions and only feared the new fed govt they were creating. Well, the beast was created and then judges became unrestrained beasts. The only way that the beast could now be reigned in, if it can, is via one narrow issue at a time. A real key in this regard was when senators stopped being selected by state legislatures as well. that could definitively enforce the 10th as a whole. I really think that the 9th and 10th both meant mainly to codify the Declaration of Independence’s unalienable rights clause and to make clear that we the people retained rights not listed in the 10th. They were made purposefully vague because they were already protected by their state constitutions and only feared the new fed govt they were creating.

Well, the beast was created and then judges became unrestrained beasts.

The only way that the beast could now be reigned in, if it can, is via one narrow issue at a time.

A real key in this regard was when senators stopped being selected by state legislatures as well.

]]> By: eburke http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8288 eburke Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:28:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8288 constitution to argue your point about what's constitutional..... wait a minute...can you do that? constitution to argue your point about what’s constitutional…..

wait a minute…can you do that?

]]> By: rushy http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8287 rushy Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:58:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8287 Not sure what the results will be, but I just wrote my State House Majority Leader asking him and the State GOP Leadership to draft similar bill (initiative). This is a No Brainer!! I'll wager any and all state initiatives giving states the power to opt out of ObamaCare would pass with massive majorities!! This might also remind these clowns in DC what Federalism and the 10th Amendment are!! Not sure what the results will be, but I just wrote my State House Majority Leader asking him and the State GOP Leadership to draft similar bill (initiative).

This is a No Brainer!! I’ll wager any and all state initiatives giving states the power to opt out of ObamaCare would pass with massive majorities!!

This might also remind these clowns in DC what Federalism and the 10th Amendment are!!

]]> By: constitutionalistconservative http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8286 constitutionalistconservative Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:05:23 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8286 Looks like all those "do as I say, not as I do" liberal Californian's will be running across the border to my beloved Arizona. I had hoped that the real estate bubble burst was the last event to drive 1000's of liberal Californian's to Arizona for "cheap" housing. Looks like I was wrong. Hopefully, Arizona's Governor and Legislature can get their act together and start unifying to create a true Republican majority in Arizona. It is time to take our state back from the years of dealing with Napolitano. We all know the Arizona Repugnant (Republic) will decry Arizona's wanting to break from President Obama's policy and I hope that the Arizona voters are strong enough to take Obama's policy to task. If a break from Obama policy is brought to the ballot, I will be shouting the words from the rooftops to opt for "Change" from Obama's socialist agenda. If it means I still have to pay the tax (which hopefully can be repealed by a Republican President in 2012), but have the ability to keep my own healthcare, so be it. Not having a choice is what scares me to death! Looks like all those “do as I say, not as I do” liberal Californian’s will be running across the border to my beloved Arizona.

I had hoped that the real estate bubble burst was the last event to drive 1000’s of liberal Californian’s to Arizona for “cheap” housing. Looks like I was wrong.

Hopefully, Arizona’s Governor and Legislature can get their act together and start unifying to create a true Republican majority in Arizona. It is time to take our state back from the years of dealing with Napolitano. We all know the Arizona Repugnant (Republic) will decry Arizona’s wanting to break from President Obama’s policy and I hope that the Arizona voters are strong enough to take Obama’s policy to task.

If a break from Obama policy is brought to the ballot, I will be shouting the words from the rooftops to opt for “Change” from Obama’s socialist agenda.

If it means I still have to pay the tax (which hopefully can be repealed by a Republican President in 2012), but have the ability to keep my own healthcare, so be it. Not having a choice is what scares me to death!

]]> By: Jim http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8285 Jim Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:33:29 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8285 Let's see how the Kentucky legislature took aim at the Alien & Sedition Acts in 1798: "Resolved, that the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principles of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, delegated to that Government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self Government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming as to itself, the other party: That the Government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself, since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common Judge, each party has an equal right to judge of itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress." Of course this requires a follow-thru of the state legislature actually interdicting the federal law, tax, regulation, etc. Nullification is certainly not an easy path to go down, but it seems it is quickly becoming our fallback position since work on the federal level to restrain government has been an utter disaster for decades. Let’s see how the Kentucky legislature took aim at the Alien & Sedition Acts in 1798:

“Resolved, that the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principles of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, delegated to that Government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self Government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming as to itself, the other party: That the Government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself, since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common Judge, each party has an equal right to judge of itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.”

Of course this requires a follow-thru of the state legislature actually interdicting the federal law, tax, regulation, etc. Nullification is certainly not an easy path to go down, but it seems it is quickly becoming our fallback position since work on the federal level to restrain government has been an utter disaster for decades.

]]> By: bs http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8284 bs Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:54:52 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8284 but the implication from the dipwad OP was that the fact that they've passed something automagically makes it constitutional, which is hooey. but the implication from the dipwad OP was that the fact that they’ve passed something automagically makes it constitutional, which is hooey.

]]> By: clement http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8283 clement Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:54:50 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8283 At least in terms of if this bill passes. At best it is a good show of resistance. Afte all even if these states 'opt out' of federal healthcare they are still going to be paying federal taxes anyways. It is a lot like the public school system. Yeah you can send your kids to private school, just now you are paying for BOTH private school AND public school. Fun huh? At least in terms of if this bill passes. At best it is a good show of resistance. Afte all even if these states ‘opt out’ of federal healthcare they are still going to be paying federal taxes anyways. It is a lot like the public school system. Yeah you can send your kids to private school, just now you are paying for BOTH private school AND public school. Fun huh?

]]> By: blooch http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8282 blooch Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:37:02 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8282 I missed that pic of Michelle the Lycan the first time around. The White House website should post that one--and five more like it--next time Barry does a press conference on Iran. I missed that pic of Michelle the Lycan the first time around. The White House website should post that one–and five more like it–next time Barry does a press conference on Iran.

]]> By: David Hinz http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8281 David Hinz Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:22:25 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8281 Death Camps for the Unborn... ....a very illustrative image. Death Camps for the Unborn…

….a very illustrative image.

]]> By: mbecker908 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8280 mbecker908 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:15:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8280 ]]> By: George Claghorn http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8279 George Claghorn Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:55:04 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8279 ]]> By: Karina http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8278 Karina Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:51:46 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8278 That was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh! That was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh!

]]> By: David Hinz http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8277 David Hinz Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:48:45 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8277 congress can pass any law it likes -- then it is up to the Executive Branch [President Obamessiah] to veto it if he thinks its wrong, or the US Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional [you know, like McCain-Feingold] /snark congress can pass any law it likes — then it is up to the Executive Branch [President Obamessiah] to veto it if he thinks its wrong, or the US Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional [you know, like McCain-Feingold]

/snark

]]> By: mbecker908 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8276 mbecker908 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:46:56 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8276 the enforcement of the 10th Amendment as a whole. the enforcement of the 10th Amendment as a whole.

]]> By: mbecker908 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8275 mbecker908 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:44:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8275 The SCOTUS, in 1973, did just exactly that with Roe. They limited the death camps to pre-viable children. The various states have expanded and extended the '73 decision to include every child who is not fully birthed. Obama supports extending that even further to include children who've been born alive with his infanticide legislation in IL. Up to now, no court has chosen to decide that the progressive death camps run by Planned Parenthood and their ilk are NOT just a hunky-dory application of the law since the unborn are NOT really people. The SCOTUS, in 1973, did just exactly that with Roe. They limited the death camps to pre-viable children. The various states have expanded and extended the ‘73 decision to include every child who is not fully birthed. Obama supports extending that even further to include children who’ve been born alive with his infanticide legislation in IL.

Up to now, no court has chosen to decide that the progressive death camps run by Planned Parenthood and their ilk are NOT just a hunky-dory application of the law since the unborn are NOT really people.

]]> By: Mike gamecock DeVine http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8274 Mike gamecock DeVine Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:44:14 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8274 ]]> By: mbecker908 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8273 mbecker908 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:35:37 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8273 alternative - and clearly Constitutional - legislation emphasizing the free market that what appears to be a Constitutional end-run. As far as the various 10 Amendment resolutions I've seen, I think they're a joke. First of all, it's my understanding that as of now none are actually law, they're just resolutions. If that's the case, ya really can't pick a fight with a resolution. alternative - and clearly Constitutional - legislation emphasizing the free market that what appears to be a Constitutional end-run.

As far as the various 10 Amendment resolutions I’ve seen, I think they’re a joke. First of all, it’s my understanding that as of now none are actually law, they’re just resolutions. If that’s the case, ya really can’t pick a fight with a resolution.

]]> By: bs http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8272 bs Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:17:05 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8272 Most of the troll comments we get have at least a shred of accuracy. That one was just so comically stupid that it's hard to believe the person even posted it. "Beclowned" doesn't start to describe it. We used to get a better class of trolls. :sigh: Most of the troll comments we get have at least a shred of accuracy. That one was just so comically stupid that it’s hard to believe the person even posted it. “Beclowned” doesn’t start to describe it.

We used to get a better class of trolls. :sigh:

]]> By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8271 redneck_hippie Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:10:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8271 We all heard on Friday how funding for Health Care is buried in the 300 page management amendment to Cap and Trade. Does that mean there will not be another deduction from our salary a la Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obama Date Night, etc.? How these devious pieces of sheet sneak their theivery past us! We all heard on Friday how funding for Health Care is buried in the 300 page management amendment to Cap and Trade. Does that mean there will not be another deduction from our salary a la Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obama Date Night, etc.?

How these devious pieces of sheet sneak their theivery past us!

]]> By: Brian Simpson http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/06/28/6-states-want-to-nullify-obamacare-with-opt-out-law/#comment-8270 Brian Simpson Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:59:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/?p=1956#comment-8270 <i>I can't believe no one else said this yet!</i> I can’t believe no one else said this yet!

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