OK, my headline is admittedly too simplistic. In fact, the whole medical malpractice milieu is sorely in need of a fix. We have unnecessarily large awards to aggrieved patients, crushing insurance costs to doctors to cover malpractice, a situation where defensive medicine drives up costs, and an entire industry of lawyers whose job it is, apparently, to rape the system and cause it to be burdensome for all of us. On top of that, we have a national party in the Democrats assisting these very destructive lawyers to do just that. This is a part of our medical system that truly needs reform.
We can start by getting Democrats to stop doing everything they can to bend over backwards for the John Edwards’ of this world — ambulance chasers extraordinaire. Democrats are the reason this has gotten so bad. And imagine, we are trusting to Democrats to “fix” what they, themselves broke with the greedy assistance of the trial lawyers.
Last month, I wondered aloud if Obama was going to cut these medical vultures off at the knees? I asked if Obamacare would mean that medical malpractice law will take a hit?
Currently doctors pay outrageous premiums for malpractice insurance. A CBS report from 2004, for instance, revealed that some OB-GYNs then paid as much as $90,000 a year for malpractice insurance. Today it is likely closer to $200,000. These outrageous premiums mean that a doctor must take in something like $400,000 a year to be able to afford the insurance premiums and still make a living worth going through the decades of training and schooling required to become a doctor.
Others are also wondering about Obama’s plans for medical malpractice reform. But it doesn’t look like Obama is really much interested in telling his trial lawyer backers to tone it down. There won’t be any “shared sacrifice” for trial lawyers if Obama has any say in the matter.
Richard Epstein also tackled this topic in The Wall Street Journal on June 30. Epstein compared our medical malpractice arena to that of other countries and the results prove that our trial lawyers and their Democratic Party patrons have created a mess for US in comparison.
Litigation in the U.S. has at least four distinctive procedural features that drive up malpractice costs. The first is jury trials, which can veer out of control and in any case introduce significant uncertainty. The second is the contingency-fee system, which allows well-heeled lawyers to self-finance litigation. The third is the rule that makes each side bear its own costs. This induces riskier lawsuits than are undertaken in most other countries, such as Canada, England and most of Europe, where the loser pays the legal costs of the winner. The fourth is extensive pretrial discovery outside the direct supervision of judges, which occurs far more readily here than elsewhere.
Epstein identifies several other problems with our legal practices re medical malpractice and ends up finding that we burden ourselves with waste and abuse beyond measure.
A study led by David Studdert published in the 2006 New England Journal of Medicine concluded that the administrative expenses of the malpractice system were “exorbitant.” And worse, it found errors in jury verdicts in about a quarter of the litigated cases. Juries denied compensation properly due in 16% of the cases, and awarded it about 10% of the time when it was unwarranted. These error rates don’t include damage awards set at improper levels.
And here is one where Canada does do a far better job than we do. Epstein tells us that according to a 1992 study by Donald Dewees and Michael Trebilcock in the Osgood Hall Law Journal, Canada’s medical malpractice caseload was about the same as that of the U.S., but they incur about 10% of the total cost of ours. This is a travesty.
Epstein has several suggested correctives to our system, but he is reticent, it seems, to put the blame where it belongs: the Democrat Party. It is they who’ve passed laws that coddle trial lawyers looking for big payoffs and get rich quick schemes. And, as I said, we are unfortunate enough that it is they that folks are looking to for a healthcare fix.
For Democrats, with the trial lawyer backers in tow, there will be no fix of medical malpractice unless voters force the issue. If Barack Obama truly wanted reform, a major part of his healthcare policies would revolve around fixing the medical malpractice system we are currently suffering under.
Unfortunately, Barack Obama is not interested in reform. He only wants power.
Cross posted at HealthcareHorseRace.com.

Halleluah! Finally someone gets to the REAL issue!
Praying Wednesday, July 8th at 1:34PM EDT (link)I have wondered for some time when the issue of malpractice insurance and the effect of our country’s infatuation with lawsuits on the medical professions would get some serious attention. It seems so obvious to me - and no doubt countless others - but unless we take up this banner and run with it, and force those making policy to deal with it, the trial lawyers (like the union bosses, and other “favored friends” of those in power) will continue getting fatter and richer, and our system of health care will collapse as more and more members of the medical community go “John Galt” and either quit practicing medicine or practice their profession in places other than the USA. What a sad and sorry commentary! Thank you for a well written expose of this important issue.
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Yes, if you have doctors for friends
izoneguy Wednesday, July 8th at 1:46PM EDT (link)then you know the real inside story. I had surgery done a few years ago and the surgeon who performed the surgery sent me a letter and thanked me for being a patient. He was quitting for several reasons but mentioned the malpractice insurance was becoming too big of a burden. We will lose thousands of doctors over the next decade when we actually need to add thousands of doctors to keep up with the tens of millions of added people to the roles of government insurance.
Black market medicine should be a booming business under Obamacare.
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This conveniently gets left out by the left
bk Wednesday, July 8th at 1:37PM EDT (link)Don’t like comparisons to Canada or the UK? Fine. They say instead to compare to France and Holland. But let’s see comparisons in France of what trial lawyers do to THEIR medical system. We sure as heck won’t see that info from any Democrat!
And I bet the effect of illegal immigrants is far worse here than in any of those other countries.
If we had a few less lawyers like schummmmer, kennedy, kerry
bobojake Wednesday, July 8th at 2:29PM EDT (link)reid, and de list goes on in congress it would be a glorius day in the United States of America. Its time for term limits to stop these foney fraudulent good ol boy clubs in Washington DC
If Government runs and owns the Health Care, then when you sue for malpractice...
gekster Wednesday, July 8th at 3:05PM EDT (link)well, the posibilities are endless, arn’t they!
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Very likely the reason ...
skorrent1 Wednesday, July 8th at 6:45PM EDT (link)That Canada’s malpractice cost is 10% of ours.
The trickle-down effect of the Trial Lawyers has a negative impact
Richard Mullins Wednesday, July 8th at 3:38PM EDT (link)Sure, it make for more tests and alike being done in order to lessen the chance of being sued., but it make for more redundancy that isn’t necessary. One angle of this is being overlooked, is over regulation of the hospitals and hospital labs as well. There are six regulatory bodies that certify hospital labs and a few that certify hospitals as well. I can’t think of all of them without either emailing my dad or calling on it.
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Where are the Republican Voices ???
PaulT Wednesday, July 8th at 4:05PM EDT (link)All the commentary connected with this post are true, but I have yet to hear on the news or during interviews ANY republication legislator raise this issue when discussing health care reform.
Just as the democrats quietly avoid any discussion of malpractice reform to protect their trial lawyer supporters, the republicans avoid any challenge to the democrats on the issue. Every time a bleeding heart liberal raises the issue of high cost insurance premiums on the patient, the republicans should be ready to respond with the high cost of maipractice insurance on the medical providers caused by the ambulance chasers who will seek any opportunity to file a lawsuit.
Again, I ask why are the republican legislators and voices so silent on this issue?
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I have the same thinking on this as well
Richard Mullins Wednesday, July 8th at 4:47PM EDT (link)It’s not being presented in way to stop the pro-government healthcare side and making it personal and applicable.
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There's more to it
Retread: please disregard. Wednesday, July 8th at 4:53PM EDT (link)Malpractice insurance rates are definitely sky high, my wife is in medicine so I know first hand. But the studies above don’t address the most important question of all - WHY are they so high? They throw out some facts about insurance costs and malpractice lawsuits, but don’t make a direct connection between the two. For example, how much do medical insurers pay out each year on malpractice lawsuits vs. the premiums they collect from insured doctors? The truth is, this whole problem is far more about profit than it is lawsuits.
When you get an inside look, from a doctor’s perspective, it’s clear that the insurance companies are completely taking advantage of their captive market. Doctors simply must have malpractice insurance to practice, so the insurance companies are essentially gatekeepers to that doctor’s ability to work, period. As a result, they drive rates through the roof, and no matter how high they go every doctor in the US must pay or find a new career. How does a system like that make any kind of sense? Believe me, most doctors hate insurance companies and know they are getting ripped.
THIS is why some people are against relying on private insurers for our health care system - their natural inclination toward profits is forcing each and every one of us to pay far more for services than is necessary. When you’re talking about TVs and luxury services the “free market” system is all well and good, but essential services shouldn’t be held hostage for profits IMO.
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lol, I guess you think "profits" are bad 2 year one comment person?
DONTREADONME Wednesday, July 8th at 5:07PM EDT (link)Seriously, “profits”? buzz word of the class warriors and socialists aka marxists. Yes that little thing called profit gets you medicine, treatments, etc. Now go somewhere else, no one is going to listen to you when you portray profits as the problem. Wow, pathetic.
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you DO realize
David Hinz Wednesday, July 8th at 5:17PM EDT (link)that because Redstate went through 2.0, 3.0, 2.0 again, 4.0 and then rebirth, that older comments mysteriously disappeared. People who have not commented in a few month appear to have never commented at all.
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yes, i know...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, July 8th at 5:40PM EDT (link)someone had told me that a long time ago, that is usually why I read into peoples words, and when I see profits as the excuse for the problem I ask myself why are profits the problem here; therefore, Doctors do what? they make a profit, why do pharmaceutical companies stay in the business of R&D profit, same for medical technology profit. It is the life blood of innovation, and why do insurance companies stay in business profit, why do they raise there rates? to keep their profits the same. Yes, I am not a big fan of people jumping on that profits band wagon.
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agreed!
David Hinz Wednesday, July 8th at 5:58PM EDT (link)n/t
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almost forgot...
DONTREADONME Wednesday, July 8th at 5:52PM EDT (link)I usually have an easy time finding old comments from previous versions of redstate. I found comments from you dated back June 27th of 08 on a blog of Nightwisters. I do tend to go a little further than just assuming, so geez, cut a guy some slack
, plus I did not call troll, even though I can’t find anything from him in the last two years.
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you'd find even older
David Hinz Wednesday, July 8th at 6:02PM EDT (link)if I hadn’t changed my screen name a while back…
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eh?
Retread: please disregard. Wednesday, July 8th at 6:12PM EDT (link)“Yes that little thing called profit gets you medicine, treatments, etc.”
Uh, no, doctors and hospitals provide treatment, not insurance companies. In fact, insurance industry profits represent services NOT rendered, which is the very problem with a for-profit health care system.
But hey, if you WANT half of your insurance premiums going to put some guy’s kids through the best schools in the country, that’s your right. Why not just mail him a donation since you like profits so much?
And for the record, looking up people’s profiles because they post differing views is a bit silly, why not just address the substance of my post instead.
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Mostly because it's an excellent tell, Sparky.
Moe Lane Wednesday, July 8th at 6:23PM EDT (link)In your case, I think I remember banning you already.
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So where is your proposal to increase competition amongst medical insurers?
Finrod Wednesday, July 8th at 5:42PM EDT (link)Competition in the free market naturally eliminates any excessive ‘profits’ that you’re whinging about. So where’s your proposal to increase competition amongst medical insurers? Let me guess: by singling out ‘private insurers’, you want more government regulation. BZZT, wrong answer, government regulation reduces competition, which increases profits amongst those that can survive it.
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Wrong! You have no facts to back up your assertion
dskinner11 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:29PM EDT (link)In Arizona the only medical liability insurance company is a non-profit physician owned company and rates are still sky-high.
Bottom line is this is a state issue that is affected by so much more than just non-economic damages. Every state will need specific and different reforms based on current law. We need complete tort-reform, not limited just to caps on non-economic damages.
I agree that "loser pays" ...
skorrent1 Wednesday, July 8th at 7:07PM EDT (link)Would be a good idea.
I’ve not seen anyone propose another idea that would be effective. “Punitive damages” are a court-imposed punishment for misbehavior. By what logic are the plaintiffs (and their lawyers) entitled to what amounts to a fine imposed by government. Why not have punitive damages go to the government and be regulated to some multiple of monetary compensation. Trial lawyers would be fishing for a much smaller catch and settlements would be more attractive.
Tort law should make victims whole, not necessarily make them rich.
An insurance defense lawyer's contrarian opinion
bluechiplaw Wednesday, July 8th at 9:33PM EDT (link)Take this for what it’s worth. I’m an insurance defense lawyer, have several doctor friends, and have never represented a plaintiff in a PI case of any sort.
Texas went through tort reform several years ago now, capping certain damages in med mal cases. It was passed under the auspices of lowering med mal insurance rates. My understanding is that med mal filings have dropped significantly. However, my doctor friends have not seen a drop in their insurance rates. This is unsurprising since (1) insurance companies are for-profit corporations, and (2) the doctors have already shown a willingness to pay the old rates of insurance, so why lower the rates? I’m not against insurance companies making money, by the way. Charge what the market will bear.
So now we are in a situation where verdicts are lower, fewer suits are filed, but the whole reason behind passing the legislation has not occurred.
Now, I’d also like to raise the point that we, as conservatives, are against government bureaucrats from telling us how much we should be charged for medical care or what medical care we can or cannot receive. What, then, is the argument for having politicians set caps on med mal verdicts? Which politicians are to do this? Should it be delegated to a “blue ribbon committee”? Should it simply be a reasonableness standard, and left up to courts to reduce outrageous verdicts? (And believe me, outrageous verdicts do occur.)
The loser pay idea is good in theory, but bad in practice. How could a poor working stiff who believes he was wrongfully injured by a doctor ever afford to pay the doctor if he couldn’t prove that the doctor caused his injuries? The doctor, of course, has insurance, but the Plaintiff generally has no substantial assets.
One additional issue in Texas, which I’m not sure how I feel about, is this: In order to run a med mal suit in Texas, you have to get a doctor, within a certain number of days of filing suit, to prepare a report detailing how the defendant committed malpractice. I think this is generally a good thing. But in small towns like mine it would be virtually impossible to find a doctor who will testify against another doctor. Plus, it must be quite expensive to find such an expert. And when damages are capped, it means that less-damaging malpractice by doctors are never pursued because Plaintiffs’ lawyers cannot risk spending 100K on expenses to run a lawsuit with small, or capped damages. While under the old system too many people were sued, under the current system it is probably the case that more doctors can commit malpractice unpunished than would otherwise be the case. (No stats on that, it’s pure deductive reasoning… or impure deductive reasoning if you disagree.)
Lastly, the runaway verdict issue is often a canard. If a doctor has a one million dollar policy, then the carrier will only be liable for that amount. So insurance companies always have a capped amount they can lose, which is the only way insurance companies can exist.
I’ve written way too much, and haven’t posted here in forever. Be kind in your disapproval of this post.
recovering plaintiffs' trial lawyer incl med mal, weighs in
Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 8th at 9:51PM EDT (link)You make some great points that mitigate against the impact of tort reform on ins rates, but not with respect to the logic behind the concept.
Insurance is about risk and certainly tort reform lessens risk.
To fully analyze the impact of state tort reform on ins rates, one would have to factor out other factors and compare changes in states visa vis other states. Moreover, one must also consider the inter- and intra- state effects on particular companies that spread the risk nationwide.
I think that for tort reform to have its full effect we would need to de-regulate the ins industry and have federal tort reform.
But clearly, tort reform is not a panacea for ins rates and medical costs overall.
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GreyCloak Thursday, July 9th at 5:07AM EDT (link)I don’t know what malpractice insurance rates are in Texas, much as I live there, but I am sure they contribute to higher doctor costs.
On the other hand, another litigator friend says that “it’s just not profitable [from a lawyer's viewpoint] to sue doctors anymore.” So malpractice insurance rates should have decreased.
On the doctors’ side of things, every doctor I have asked the question of says that his/her rates are set by “consultants” … when one raised his rates 30% in a year, I asked him if he’d raised office salaries by that much: the answer was “no.”
On the insurance side of things … MY medical insurance … I have reviewed annual reports, and my insurance company now pays out only 60% of premiums collected in medical claims … not three years ago, the number was near 70%.
So … the doctors are increasing their profits; the insurance companies are increasing their profits; and the citizen pays.
OH … and a hospital charged me $50,000 for two hours in a surgery room to fix a broken leg … fortunately, the insurance company discovered the fraud and cancelled the charge.
As to OB-Gyns … the one that birthed my children left the business because of lawsuits (although none ever prevailed); at least two from Texas are sitting in Congress: CREATING new citizens is apparently less profitable than saddling them with impossible amounts of debt.
This is the real truth that needs to be repeated
avgamerican Wednesday, July 8th at 9:52PM EDT (link)Some how lawyers have managed to monopolize the flow of information to prevent themselves from being accountable. Lawyers are allowed to pursue unreasonable allegations for money. It has poisoned the system which looks for the scapegoat, INSURANCE COMPANIES. It’s the huge elephant in the room that’s ignored.
Real Truth?
GreyCloak Thursday, July 9th at 5:47AM EDT (link)Yes … I know a doctor that killed himself over a lawsuit … one that resulted from a pro-bono operation, devastated his family for years, and was finally (after his death) thrown out by a “jury” of peers and bureaucrats. But that was over thirty years ago.
I am sure that lawyers bear some fault, but they are the big bugaboo of conservatives and Congress in general. Insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals just LOVE to see lawyers blamed.
But when has Congress conducted a SINGLE audit of a doctor’s bills, or an insurance company’s profits, or a “not-for-profit” or “for-profit” hospital’s actual expenses?
LBJ created MediCare and MedicAide … from the time Government took over paying for medicine, costs have skyrocketed, and those plans are a bigger threat to the national budget than even Social Security.
WAKE UP! In the last twenty years, the “health” industries have contributed almost a Billion Dollars to our politicians. “Insurance” has contributed about a third of that.
Combined, Health and Insurance exceed contributions by Lawyers.
Congress doesn’t give a hoot about The People … “health,”
insurance, and lawyers buy all the legislation they want.
When Obama spoke to the AMA....
marshmom Wednesday, July 8th at 9:52PM EDT (link)He told them he wanted medical malpractice “reform”, but failed to go into detail about what it may entail. He did, however, tell physicians that he didn’t think it was “fair” to cap medical malpractice awards. They do have a cap in Florida and most physicians there go “naked” which means that typically it’s cheaper for a doctor to pay damages to a patient in court than it is to afford medical malpractice insurance.
Some Dems in the House have suggested mild reform in malpractice lawsuits, but most aren’t supporting it because they don’t believe it would do any good in deterring lawsuits. Nice, huh?
I’m sure what they mean is…….this isn’t going to help high paid lawyers who contribute to my campaign every year.
Can anyone remember any daytime tv they’ve watched where they haven’t seen some ad by a law firm telling you if you have taken a particular drug and experienced certain side effects, you “may be entitled to damages”. There are hundreds of those stupid ads. It’s obviously working well for them here in the U.S.
I agree this should be a major part of their “reform”.
This is important but won't fix the system
dskinner11 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:26PM EDT (link)As a doctor (I just graduated and am doing my internship) I can tell you that defensive medicine is an important cause of rising medical costs and we should attempt to lower the need to practice in order to avoid lawsuits, but it won’t lower costs by as much as we need. That will take market reforms that force patients to face the costs of diagnosis and treatment.
Most of the extra and unnecessary medical care is ordered because doctors feel a duty to advocate for their patients and give them the highest level of care available (i.e. covered by their insurance). A $5/month drug might be 95% as effective as a $200/month drug or maybe they are equally effective but the $5 drug is more likely to give you a mild side effect. Either way the vast majority of doctors will prescribe the better drug as long as the insurance will pay for it. The same goes for testing and other treatments.
Without motivation from patients, doctors aren’t going to be the ones to say can we innovate and be even more effective for less money. Government would do the opposite and be less effective for more money. The only way to fix the system is to make patients face more of the costs so through market competition they demand better services for less money.
Where have the federalists gone? This is a state issue
dskinner11 Wednesday, July 8th at 10:35PM EDT (link)I am a doctor just beginning my career so I will obviously benefit from any type of tort reform. Even though it is in my own self-interest to see this addressed nationally, it is a state issue. You can’t shop medical malpractice claims in multiple states and jurisdictions the way you can with other lawsuits.
I hate to see conservatives run to Washington in order to have the federal government intervene all because conservatives were too inept to accomplish the reforms on the state level where they need to be taken care of.
I know there are plenty of states where tort-reform could never happen in the near-term. Let the market work its magic and before long doctors will move to other states and the shortages of doctors will force reform.