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I’m an Intolerant Discriminator…and Proud of It

By: westcoastpatriette (Diary)  |  May 8th, 2012 at 06:06 PM  | 

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Political correctness run amok.  Indoctrination extraordinaire.  Lies masquerading as truth.

Every now and then, even the best among us get sucked into the manipulative language being used to pressure and coerce people to change their views on any number of issues.  And, if we are not careful, we can find ourselves with our guard down, fail to recognize when the lies are working and wind up slugging it out with the deviant among us who have prearranged the outcome through pure skullduggery ala trying to shame and guilt trip us into surrender.

I became aware of this pressure yesterday while reading center77′s piece that criticized Romney incessantly for being intolerant because he allowed circumstances to create the situation that caused one of Romney’s homosexual spokesmen to resign.  (My take — not center77′s).  As center77 defended his position (to the overwhelming push back from most commenters who disagreed with his analysis), he must have used the word “intolerant” at least fifty times — with the same righteous indignation one would use when talking of a pedophile, racist or elder abuser.

Then suddenly, I slapped myself out of the brainwashing mode and struck back by announcing that, “Intolerance is good…”  Yes.  It felt so good to say it out loud.  I’m intolerant and proud.

Many things should not be tolerated –  for good reason — and I refuse to buy into this hijacking of a word to demonize common sense and wisdom.

Then today, I read JSobieski announcing that we need to take back the word “discrimination.”  And I thought, yeah, that’s right.  That’s another word that has been recklessly used to beat us down into obedient serfs who are no longer able to think for ourselves much less discriminate between right and wrong, good and bad or moral and immoral.

And that, of course, is more nonsense meant to stun us into silence by the opposing forces who are poised to accuse us of — God forbid — discrimination when we use our brains to determine the wisest position to take or decision to make in any given circumstance.

Feels good to rebel against the indoctrination.  Say it again…”I’m an intolerant discriminator” — and proud of it.

 

 

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  • vangoghssister

    ” Indoctrination extraordinaire. Lies masquerading as truth. I

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    what I find most amusing is that you mention the push back I got as if one, I wasn’t aware it was going to come, and second, that what others think in the slightest informs my core. I’m not writing to please anyone, and that post was meant to do what it did, show me that there is a high level of intolerance in a part that I often vote for. But, rest assured, the battle against these voices will be won, even if it is going totals awhile for more brave voices to rise up. My generation is overwhelmingly opposed to making gay marriage illegal, but if you look throughout history, its always a process. We don’t need a favored group of people, but those who advocate gay marriage are only saying that gay people should have the same freedoms as I do. I will never feel bad about that. I pride myself on empathy and push to understandings through others eyes.

    The declaration of independence means something to me, and freedom is a right of all men and women.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Poor child. You will outgrow your silliness as will your indoctrinated generation. You’re too young to appreciate what is at stake much less see the whole, bigger picture. And your arguments sound really dumb.

      But, that’s okay, center. We were all foolish in many ways in our youth.

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        its just silly, of course its good to discriminate against certain things, such as pedophilia, but gay marriage is completely different. Your broad statement about how intolerance is good at times was valid, but its also not good sometimes. The idea that there no distinction is silly. By the way, I’ve never had a college professor teach that gay marriage is good, and mostly I read only right leaning commentary. I’m in church every Sunday. If I’m indoctrinated, its wouldn’t be by liberals. But I know gay people, and I know they are mostly good people,who deserve the rights I have. The simple minded thing to say is that my views come from someone else.

        Oh, too young to know what’s at stake. Another canard. Do you know how to deduct for yourself. These are petty arguments. Tell me how gay marriage will affect you. Tell me why it should be a crime. Don’t just insult me, it only reflects on you,sir. Its like if I said you were to old to except others, its a gross point, and weak.

        • westcoastpatriette

          And your arguments just keep getting weaker.

          I didn’t write this diary to argue more nonsense with you, center77. But to expose the manipulative language used by the left to brow beat their opponents. And you are no different.

          C’est la vie.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            manipulative language used to beat your opponents

          • Repair_Man_Jack

            I find your accusatory tone deeply troubling. Is there something inside that tortures you, Center? If so, please seek professional help.

          • lineholder

            that we continue to be so….”intolerant” is the word he uses so often, isn’t it? Yeah, that one.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            and by the very definition of the word.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            I think social conservatives should live the way they want, and stop trying to use government to force their beliefs on others.

            Its one of the charades about social conservatives, they don’t want small government, they want big government that pushes the agenda they want. A free country would not do that.

            It is funny, the people who say it is a choice are always the ones who have an agenda. It is a choice, because if it isn’t, the they have to admit they are being intolerant, much like it would be if it was skin color.

            So spare me the lecture

            frankly I surprised you do not run a mega-church or something

            This rhetoric that comes from social conservatives hurts them, and its flat out bigoted in many instances.

            I think social conservatives can have their tirades, and I think our president, or anyone who wants to be one should speak for everyone, and leave the fringe to wallow in their hate for those not like them.

            he did not do it, and out of fear of the social conservatives. I’m saying who cares about pandering to a bunch of intolerant boobs

            if you are saying I don’t act like normal fundamental Christians, I agree

            You believe God defines it, fine, but why does that give you the right to force your belief on those who believe that there is no god

            He has his advisors say it, and he hides from the intolerant that he needs to vote for him

            Statist want the government to control people, Christian statist want the same thing, albeit they want it to do it in a Christian manner

            Admit your intolerant of what others believe, that’s fine. But don’t be surprised

            I think it is intolerance that makes people want to ban another from being married, as long as that person is gay.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            but when a poster accuses another person of the same thing, is that not accusatory?

          • Repair_Man_Jack

            Good God, man. Just listen to yourself.

        • avgjo

          First off, ‘gay’ people have the same rights you have, including marriage. If they want to marry someone (that is, make a lifelong commitment to someone of the opposite sex), they are entirely free to do so.

          Second, you might want to look at the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia. I would specifically consider the percentage of homosexuals who engage in this act vs. the percentage of heterosexuals who do. I think you’ll be surprised. BTW, remember the Catholic scandal? The perpetrators were all male, and the victims were overwhelmingly male. It was a same-sex crime. Oh, and by the way, NAMBLA was affiliated with major homosexual groups until 1994. ILGA, today representing over 750 LGBT groups from around the world, let NAMBLA in until 1994.

          Third, toleration of homosexuality in this generation will lead to toleration of even worse in the next. Remember, slippery slope is only a fallacy if there is no causal effect between the things discussed. Once the homosexuals get their ‘rights’, other groups will demand the same. Already, the polygamists and ‘zoophiliacs’ are pushing for theirs. Meanwhile, the pedophiles are getting some support from elements of the psychological community, who want to treat it as a disease rather than a crime. This is the same path homosexuality took in this country: first it was a crime, then a disease, and now it’s an accepted lifestyle.

          • texasref

            By Godwin’s Law you should have compared us homoSEKshooals not just to pedophiles but also to Hitler, because as we all know, there’s nothing we gays enjoy more than diddling pubescent boys and plotting the destruction of a few million Jews.

          • truganini

            I’m assuming you can provide peer reviewed, scientific research that points to the link between homosexuality and pedophilia. And no, an article written by Garry Bauer doesn’t count.

            BTW, “Intolerant Discriminators

          • Bill S

            Don’t like the company? Take a hike.

          • truganini

            It makes me feel so much smarter.

          • Repair_Man_Jack

            -nt.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            because he has yet to post something that even remotely attempts to use logic, and go instantly fro the emotion.

          • westcoastpatriette

            /////

          • truganini

            And waiting for anybody to provide some actual, concrete, scientific studies to show that there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia. Avgjo seems to have dropped the ball on this, but he may just not understand the question.

          • westcoastpatriette

            to your question. Do your own research if you can’t answer a question. Better yet, why don’t you leave on your own and save us the bandwidth.

          • Bill S

            I don’t just make stuff up like you do (did).

          • blakemoney

            I think you might be confusing anecdotal evidence, or polling results rather than actual evidence regarding the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia. There have been studies done in state prisons examining pedophilia convictions and the overwhelming majority are heterosexual offenders. Took me 5 minutes to find this out on a Google search.

            I don’t like to read sloppy arguments like this, avjgo. Having a strong opinion is fine, but being wrong about everything is not acceptable, and not worthy of this forum.

        • Dirt Winston

          How does your church feel about Romans 1:26-28?

    • goodgovernance

      I think you’re right that given changing generational attitudes, your point of view will prevail in the end.

      I’m not so thrilled with the idea of proudly admitting to being discriminatory. You can sweep in a lot of nasty stuff if you start being proud of being for discrimination.

  • texasref

    but it kinda makes me wince that you choose a very worthy and agreeable point–which is that the politically correct left has run amok and we should take back the language and almost hold it like a Yankee Doodle badge of honor to be an intolerant discriminator. However, the fact is you are discriminating against gays and lesbians in your position, and you do not tolerate them to get married (and with the extremists like avgjo, even to be simply gay or lesbian–to be who they are).

    Look up those words “discriminate” and “intolerant” in the dictionary, and tell me if you agree that they indeed do apply to you regarding this issue. If not, then tell me what words you would use.

    • 10ab

      I always wince. Fred Phelps and Sean Harris come to mind.

      • putnwaste

        using more of those California RLC talking points/claptrap again.

        • gekster

          I will just point that out,
          and not waste bandwidth any further on a public educated kid.

      • westcoastpatriette

        ~~

        • gekster

          How ais he ever going to comprehend that.

          • westcoastpatriette

            :) :) :)

      • runner12

        Just because you may happen to disagree with WCP does not mean that you have to compare her to a hateful nut-job like Phelps. Christians cannot stand that man and his group. That is the worst kind of insult and actually makes the very point WCP tried to make.

        There is a difference between acceptance and tolerance. We have completely conflated the two in our society. I can tolerate a behavior I disagree with or think is a sin, but I do not have to accept or agree with it. That does not make me a bigot or intolerant, it makes me an individual who thinks for myself and rejects all attempts at group think.

        When you throw out insults, you actually hurt whatever cause it is you are espousing.

        • westcoastpatriette

          Yes!!!

          • runner12

            I am so tired of the name-calling by the social Left when someone dares disagree with their religious creed of a moral free-for-all. Quite odd, since most of them claim to abhor religious folks.

            Who was it that said everybody has a god, they just don’t know it?

            Whoever said it, they were spot on.

        • 10ab

          LAST week….if you had you would know where I am coming from. Judgmental and self righteous behavior in deed or word diminish.

          • PowerToThePeople

            and I do not see where you are coming from,

            Anything the moron center writes usually deserves contempt and ridicule. And you as well.

            WCP, love ya girl, these slugs matter little to their own, should not matter any to you.

          • runner12

            After comparing her to the people you did, you have the audacity to call her judgemental and self-righteous?

            Disagreeing with someone is not judgemental. Saying you believe a behavior or attitude is wrong based on one’s faith or moral values is not judgemental. Neither is it self-righteous.

            Self-righteousness is when someone claims to be better than or less sinful than others. I have never read anything by WCP that fits either of those labels.

            Please stop throwing around tired cliches. Again, when you do that it hurts whatever point you are trying to make and makes you look intellectually lazy (no offense).

        • irishgirl

          n/t

      • texasref

        WCP never advocated violence against LGBT folks, like Sean Harris did.

        WCP never advocated picketing the funerals of servicemembers who died for their country (incidentally, the servicemembers were not gay).

        WCP is simply fed up with political correctness run amok. And I agree with her ninety-something percent of the time on the issues of the day.

        Do not throw around Fred Phelps and Sean Harris so lightly.

        Now, if WCP wants to say she endorses the views of one or both of those folks, then I will retract this comment.

        I winced when I read WCP’s post, too, but it didn’t blind me to the fact that she is on the side of us conservatives. And we aren’t winning hearts and minds with lumping honest disagreement over SSM in with hateful extremism (God hates fags, physical abuse of children, etc.)

      • Bill S

        And you’re gone. M’kay?

      • Repair_Man_Jack

        You should apologize immediately.

      • mikeymike143

        nt

        • westcoastpatriette

          always nice to be defended by fellow conservatives against obvious trouble-making trolls.

    • westcoastpatriette

      to make a point? In a sense, the word choice is designed to do exactly that — cause a wince or two to get people’s attention and to make a very valid point.

      I don’t think I need to look up the definition of the words and you are making my point by assuming they are negative in and of themselves. To discriminate is a neutral term and simply means to distinguish or discern the difference. Same with intolerance. It is a neutral term. Do you tolerate any and every person, situation or belief system? If you say yes, you are lying (or a very foolish person) and if you say no, that makes you an intolerant person at times, too. Does it not? So, badgering those of us who fundamentally disagree with you by screaming how intolerant we are is ridiculous from my point of view. And the constant use of the word toward those who believe as I do is getting old, childish and tiresome. Not to mention disrespectful and hurtful when used with such venom.

      With respect to your accusation that I am discriminating “against” gays and lesbians, obviously, I do not see it that way. I disagree that your sexual desires are “who you are.” as in born that way and have no choice. I say that is just a clever way to make excuses for your choices and deny responsibility for the same. Would that we all could write off temptation to do wrong by claiming “can’t help it, I was just born this way.”

      I know you are not a stupid person, texasref, and I am sure you have heard all of these arguments before and vehemently reject them. And that is your choice, too. At least this has been a pretty civil discussion so far. And I appreciate that much.

      I would be thrilled if you came to your senses, decided to change courses (which many in that lifestyle have done) and married a woman! (Blasphemy! Blasphemy!) So, I am not against you getting married at all. I reject your attempts to change the definition of marriage — that’s all. And I don’t consider that discrimination.

      • texasref

        And scroll up to see my defense of you from a well-meaning fellow gay / pro-gay.

        • westcoastpatriette

          peace :)

  • WmCraig

    Not The Book, but the manual written by Saul Alinsky, “Rules for Radicals.” Although there are some good summaries of the rules on the web the book itself is interesting.

    You sound like Alinsky. And of course you are right.

    I think you would enjoy the first chapter, the one where Alinsky questions why only socialists adopted these practices that are designed to be equally effective for our side as he intended,

    We allow the progressives far too much leeway. Obama has lifted the curtain the Progressives have hid behind for decades, while they manipulated politics. Turns out there is no great wizard there, just some mean old men (and women).

    For the first time in my life it seems this country could be on the verge of a true change in course, reversing the catastrophe that began with President Wilson.

    • westcoastpatriette

      but it’s sorta on my to do list. Probably wouldn’t learn much that I haven’t already learned via watching the most corrupt administration in my lifetime apply all the principles taught therein.

  • Viet71

    Loaded words provoke flashes of emotion, which cloud rationality.

    If I were center77, I’d jab back that so-cons are not accepting of gay marriage, and so be it.

    • westcoastpatriette

      or maybe defusing some of the loaded meaning by returning to its proper meaning and use and laying bare the left’s demonization of the word. I find it a very effective tool to reframe arguments and make opponents either change tactics or cease from the misuse of words.

  • John Liberty

    Billy Joel sang -
    “you can speak your mind, but not on my time…”
    I think what he meant was do anything you want, just don’t tell me what to do.
    It’s called liberty.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Use your brains…learn how to discriminate. :)

      • westcoastpatriette

        The word has been hijacked. We should all be honing our ability to discriminate as it will make us wiser people in life.

  • davenj1

    At one time, I wrote an entry taking on another poster by name and was (1) criticized by other writers and (2) had the posting removed by the administrator. WCP has done the same thing here with respect to taking on center777′s posting. Just saying….

    • westcoastpatriette

      wonder how it got missed, too. What rule is it breaking?

      • westcoastpatriette

        reread the rules and do not see any prohibition against mentioning other diarists in a diary.

  • davenj1

    it happened. Whatever… Just looking for clarification. I have been clarified!

    • davenj1

      In April 2011, I wrote an article regarding Mitch Daniels versus Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination. In response, several people took exception to certain comments I made in the diary entry- misrepresentations of statements I made. I followed it up with a diary entry in response to those mischaracterizations because there were so many that addressing them in the original entry would have taken up too much space. Three comments in response were about calling out people by name in diary entries or titles. As a result Moe Lane closed comments and the entry was taken down. Hence, I fail to see the difference between WCP taking on center777 here and me taking on scope then. Again, just noting a little Redstate inconsistency here, but whatever….

      • westcoastpatriette

        among the mods. In any event, I am glad mine didn’t get called out as I have had fun with it! :)

        • davenj1

          n/t

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  • funwithknives

    How tolerant was that? ‘ette’ , means female.
    Don’t they have Basic Gender Identification at his alma-mater?

    When the Great* center77/wcp debates *,are brought up and dissected through the next few decades, we’ll always remember Timmy and the great words he spoke/wrote/babbled.
    …and then go have a large stiff drink and salute wcp, maybe more than once, which is as it should be…….

  • westcoastpatriette

    You know he’s a ghost now, don’t you? He finally sent Neil over the edge and got a great big wonderful G’bye a while ago. :)

  • funwithknives

    the boot a-comin’, but epitaphs of any sort just feel so gol-durn right………..
    You should know my beverage of choice is Pappy Van Winkle, 20 year old Kentucky, fun in a bottle. 2feryou dearst…………and a beer chaser.