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Is This a Win In The Making For Libertarians?

With a President now getting more and more comfortable with issuing edicts and a Congress becoming equally more and more impotent with respect to doing anything about it, I think this may actually equate into a victory for Libertarians.* Let me explain myself.

We are witnessing a virtual implosion of the rule of law as we helplessly watch the most corrupt (IMO) person who has ever occupied the White House undermine our Constitution and employ raw — as well as reckless — political power grabs with impunity.  With each abuse of power (the continual suing of states who are trying to protect its citizens, ie. Voter ID and State Immigration laws — not to mention the abusive edicts being imposed on states by the EPA and the NLRB) the feeling of vulnerability and loss of control for the average American increases.

Unless I am being unreasonably optimistic, I believe Americans will only take so much of this before we begin to take matters into our own hands.  And this is where the Libertarians come into the picture.  This implosion — if managed well — will result in a much smaller and less intrusive government by necessity.  Actually, as horrifying as watching all of this is, it may prove to be a win for all of us who long for a return to limited government and individual responsibility for our lives and the lives of our posterity.  The system is slowly and inevitably imploding as we witness the stalemate in Congress render them unable to manage the messes they have created.  Meanwhile, as our anger and frustration increases, it would seem we have only two choices left.

Either we give in to the wolves (Obama and his Marxist/Socialist/EvilDems) that are licking their chops and waiting at the door to wholely devour us (by eliminating the Constitution completely and forcing submission to something else), or we continue to coalesce and work together to restore individual liberty under the Constitution we love and want to preserve.  This will require all hands on deck, a lot of prayer and a resolute determination to stand our ground and preserve what matters while letting the rest die off.   It’s watching the stuff die off all around us that gets a little scary sometimes, though.

 

*Update:  Thanks to feedback in the comments section, I need to clarify that I am not meaning to imply that I think the current political climate will result in an increase in official affiliation with the Libertarian Party.  I was speaking purely philosophically about libertarian conservatism and its strong appeal to limited government and individual liberty.

 

 

COMMENTS

  • http://MichaelHarrington.org Michael Harrington

    As the lack of comments shows.

    We are Conservatives here.

    Replace the word Libertarian with Conservative and you coulda won. Now go home please.

    • acat

      Why do you insist on picking a fight with people who are on the same path, small-government, individual liberty, religious freedom, personal responsibility, as you?

      As you well know, there are several libertarian-leaning conservatives and libertarians on Red State who want to replace Obama just as much (if not more) than you.

      Or … don’t you want these things?

      Mew

    • Viet71

      n/t

    • barleycorn

      My only quibble with the diarist is the use of the capital “L” which I think was a mistake.

      I’m pretty sure westcoastpatriette is a Republican.

      • barleycorn

        I meant mistake in the sense of a typo or incorrect usage not mistake as in “off with his head”.

    • PowerToThePeople

      and I am surprised a candidate would say something like this. Speaks volumes about who you are as a candidate and the chances you stand at winning.

      I have no use for Ron Paul type libertarians. They are the scum of the earth. But while I disagree with many of the platform of the libertarians, I agree on most. There is a difference between libertarians and Libertarians. It would suit you well to learn the difference.

      • westcoastpatriette

        been busy this morning and just now read these comments. Surprised at your response, Michael Harrington. Obviously, you are not familiar with who I am.

        I am very much a Republican and admittedly a newbie to the political scene. That means I am still learning and to tell you the truth, my goal is to try as much as possible to bring us together.

        barleycorn, maybe you could explain to me more the difference between a small “l” libertarian and a large “L” Libertarian…not clear on that and not sure why Michael told me to go home. Not bothered by it or anything, but knowledge is power. :)

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          Republicans and conservatives never won the Congress and never would have elected Reagan had not Reagan (along with the weakness of the Dem Party on national defense, the economy and social issues) brought social cons into the party.

          b) Most Christians and those that care a lot about life and marriage were brought into politics to DEFEND basic rights of all Americans that the Supreme Court took away. Social Cons did not and most do not, seek to “impose” their religious views.

          c) Big L Libertarians are simply not serious about governing the only nation that stands between liberty and the dark ages in the modern nuclear age world as it exists given their weak defense and foreign policies.

          d) Small l libertarians have a lot in common with most social cons. We want the federal government to let us alone to pursue happiness as we see fit in states where We the People make the law.

          e) I know Richard Land personally, am a lifelong Southern Baptist, my brother is a seminary professor in the SBC, and I know Land’s and the SBC’s position backwards and forward and they in no way would gut the rule of law. I think you are equating some compassionate quotes re the illegals and have jumped to a wrong conclusion on their actually positions.

          But we Christians are in the compassion business. You can look it up…in the Bible…smile

          and God bless

          more later and again, great blog

          • westcoastpatriette

            but I stand by my position and, quite frankly, think you and some of your fellow Baptists living way out where you live, have not a clue in reality the effects of uncontrolled lawlessness such as what we have here in Cali. Jesus was about a lot more than just compassion and forced compassion using the taxpayers money is immoral. And the damage to the rule of law is causing more resentment than you can imagine. But, I know that you go way overboard sometimes (I call it sloppy agape and greasy grace) and I doubt that we will ever agree on this subject. It is perplexing, to me, how any pastors would enable and encourage lawbreaking.

            Other than that, appreciate your comments.

          • westcoastpatriette

            by the way, I live about a mile and a half away from CBU — Calif. Baptist University. Used to work with a bunch of the psych majors from there when I worked in psych. Wonderful people.

        • barleycorn

          Generally speaking “Libertarian” (big L) is used to refer to the Libertarian Party, while “libertarian” (little L) just means someone who believes in personal liberty as opposed to state control.

          Because you capitalized the L, I think some thought you were speaking of the Libertarian Party. Having read your comments over the past 6 months or so and given the context in this diary entry, I was certain that was not what you meant.

          • westcoastpatriette

            I added an update for clarification.

          • http://MichaelHarrington.org Michael Harrington

            I had thought you meant the party, not the idealism.

            I am fighting solo against A Ron Paul nutcase believer on another forum and was not liking (L)ibertarians (still don’t like the party, never will) that day especially much.

          • acat

            the Libertarians are so bent on “purity” that they’ve marginalized themselves.

            They remind me of nothing so much as the dwarves in Lewis’s “Last Battle”, arguing over rotten vegetables when there’s a feast to be had.

            Pathetic group.

            Mew

          • funwithknives

            as-far as I was concerned.
            After being in The L Party for quite a while, I started using the 2 Sided Page Theorum in my own crude manner, and didn’t see a whole lotta’ future in a really small clan.

            The Purity Thing was something I was guilty of, but I had to see others do it to realize I was just being a parody.
            They opened up my eyes, Constitutional-wise, but the long-term exposure really sucked.

            In the end, ‘it just wasn’t me’, any more.
            {Is that what we call Growing -Up?}

            But then Barry moved into #1600 Pennsylvania, and I found so many more helpmates……
            Like you guys, fer’ instance…….

          • westcoastpatriette

            smile

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            “Ron Paul nutcase” libertarian. Most libertarians I know (and any on RedState, please correct me if I am wrong) don’t support complete US military withdrawal from the world and don’t support the idea of turning the money supply over to Congress (or eliminating it – I can never tell which). These are the two main planks of Paulistine Philosophy. Paulistines are (especially the younger ones) are much closer to the OWS crowd in philosophy than libertarians.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I meant to say “Ron Paul nutcase” does not equal liberarian.

  • acat

    First, the negative. You’re familiar with the line “People get the government they deserve”, right?

    The other way of stating this is “government sinks to the lowest level the people will accept”…. The question then becomes just how accepting our fellow citizens are. Have they reached the tipping point where they’ll trade some (financial) security (i.e. welfare / unemployment / food stamps) for liberty? I’m not sure.

    Now, the positive. Individual liberty has been under-taught and under assault as an idea for decades, but it isn’t gone from our culture. Tough to kill the idea that every man, woman, child, and cat is an individual and has certain rights that can’t be taken from them.

    As to managing this .. it’s not going to be the Libertarians nor the libertarian-leaning conservatives who play a key role. It’s going to be the social-conservatives and fiscal-conservatives who can open their eyes and see the advantages are. In this, I’m cautiously optimistic.

    Mew

    • westcoastpatriette

      but, I probably did not express fully what I was trying to say in the diary.

      In a lot of ways, even the most conservative among us have been snared by this giant, intrusive government that we have now, and inadvertently support it out of fear of personal loss as the system implodes. We need to let it crash in order to recover but that means still more pain to come for those who are profiting off of the status quo. That is why we see so many RINOs and even conservatives sometimes accept more than we should in terms of empowering government in the private sector.

      Also, Obama’s reign has emboldened the left allowing us to see what lies ahead if we don’t get serious about making the changes we must make. I really believe this is our last wake-up call.

      • barleycorn

        Believe me I understand where you are coming from. I’ve often thought the same sort of things. But it is kind of like having a child that is bent on ruining its life. Part of our brain tells us to let them “crash” but another part of us can’t just stand by and let it happen without trying to fix things using less draconian means.

        As a Christian I have never quite been brought to the point where I thought it was right, or at least my place, to give up and let nature take its course.

        • acat

          Can’t help the little chicks out of their shells, even though many nearly die and some do die along the way. A helped chick doesn’t thrive.

          Okay, less morbid, farm-centric example. Ever taught a kid how to ride a bicycle? Training wheels only go so far… holding ‘em up and running only goes so far… ya gotta let go, and sometimes they’re going to fall.

          I’m not saying “go off the grid, let it all crash”… although I’ve heard an increasing number of people saying that. I am saying “you need to prioritize”.

          Mew

  • Joliphant

    To power grabs by the federal government.

    Just look at how things have evolved

    Mention States Rights and you are assumed a bigot not someone who believes in a Federal as opposed to imperial system of government.

    If you point out that the commerce clause has been abused beyond belief, it makes you lunatic.

    Somewhere along the way we have lost the idea that states were meant to be experiments in democracy and we weren’t all supposed to be rubber stamps of the federal system just smaller

    • westcoastpatriette

      and I put much of the blame on the public schools as they no longer teach civics nor the basic principles that you mention.

      If we are going to turn this ship around, we have a lot of work to do.

  • ohiohistorian

    The comment is that the implosion of the rule of law will cause people to turn to the libertarians (note the small “l”). I don’t follow how a group that wants open borders, repeal of drug laws, etc, can ever help us survive the implosion we are seeing, which demonstrates that even with legislated decency the left cannot be trusted.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      towards the from the public, they are just too extreme. But a libertarian leaning conservatism I think is a natural antidote to what we are seeing in Washington. A revelation by the public that too much government is just not good for you.

      Old style Conservatives also understand this. But we have had too many in power who called themselves conservative but really wanted big government to do a lot of things they liked. Especially during the Bush years.

    • westcoastpatriette

      I didn’t say the implosion of the rule of law will cause people to turn to libertarians. Trying to say that the implosion is coming because for years we have allowed the federal government to get so big that it cannot continue to function as intended. So, the natural outcome will be a smaller limited government — something libertarians recognize more than many.

      • checkmate2012

        meant. During the primaries, as I switched from Newt, to Perry to solidly in Romney’s corner I often mused (did NOT suppport Paul ever) what would happen if Paul managed to get the nomination. The best outcome is he would push the reset button on so many fiscal issues that others won’t touch. Not the fed stuff, but dramatically cutting the budget. I’m not saying I’d agree on all but it would have been a reset. Then of course we’d have to rebuild the military and all the rest of the stuff but tried to imagine a much smaller government and budget.

        Point is, little l’s should be inculded in the big tent for fiscal sanity and I’m seeing more evidence of blue-dogs too that have had enough of the lawlessness and gov’t expansion, which is why they can’t survive against the radicals in Congress.

        Your premise was correct and we need to widen the tent for non-crazies like Paul. We can’t all agree on everything but need to coelesce on the big issues.

  • http://MichaelHarrington.org Michael Harrington

    I am for a government about 1/6th (except military) of the current size at minimum.

    But one thing I will never compromise upon as a Conservative (not social, not fiscal, pure!) is drugs.

    You show me a person who uses and does not harm, I show you none who does. You say I ignore your case, I say back at you.

    A drunk who drives feels the need for the alcohol, the vehicle merely facilitates the coming and going.

    I have known of theft for pot and starving for pot. I have seen meth addicts so far gone as to be intelligent animals, nothing more. I have seen a man on PCP take on a squad of police and nearly win. All this and much more. I know of a baby so shaken it was declared permamently brain damaged… due to drugs.

    I have seen it first hand as citizen, friend, neighbor, security and as a medical transport officer. The so called insignificant harm they would do if legalized is worse than communist theory.

    No… I will never declare peace on the war on drugs.

    Never.

    • westcoastpatriette

      and it’s a bit perplexing to me that Libertarians cannot see how counter productive it is to go down that road. I have had more than one intense debate here at RS over legalization of marijuana and it is as if you have touched on the Holy Grail of libertarianism if you disagree with some of them on this issue. This is where they really lose me.

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  • aesthete

    Too fundamentally broken and torn up by infighting, though the nomination of a serious politician with a great record as their Presidential candidate is somewhat encouraging.

    The libertarian (little “l”) movement? I think you’re on to something, but I think it will be a win more in the sense that people start “naturally” gravitating towards libertarianism than that people will explicitly call themselves such. IMO, the conservative movement (esp. social conservatives and fiscal conservatives) will start moving towards a moderate libertarian position on drugs and other social issues, and will solidify their stance on the traditional areas where conservatives and libertarians agree (i.e., sound currency, gun rights, minimal regulations, very small central governments dedicated to “watchman duties” + public goods like roads). Conversely, I think that the Dems will become an explicitly pro-government party like the ones that we see in Europe; its constituency will be largely comprised of government workers and their enablers, and will more explicitly call for larger government as a good unto itself.

    Interesting times ahead.

  • westcoastpatriette

    as I was speaking philosophically with reference to a win for libertarians — not meaning that people would change their party affiliation to Libertarian.