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I lost my innocence at RedState…will I ever get it back? [Updated]

Okay, I need some feedback, again.

I’m getting scared.  I think I might be becoming a political junky and I’m not sure I like it.  No, really.  Before I decided it was imperative for me to do my duty to help save my country from Obama, I was relatively naive about politics and just thought of them as a necessary evil.  Now, I seem to spend most of my time at RedState, sitting on the edge of my seat, waiting for the next cutting edge story or inside scoop on how to win the most crucial race or discern the most pertinent development of a critical issue that might prove to be THE most important answer to all of our nation’s problems.

Do you think I have a problem?  Does it sound like I might be becoming addicted to politics?  Is this how it always is, or is it just because we are soooo afraid to see Obama get reelected that our emotions are heightened and desperation is setting in?

I need some honest answers from some of you veteran political junkies out there.

I remember being so confused when I first came to RedState, trying to understand why everybody was sooo emotional and intense about how to go about defeating the left.  I had no idea what a coattail was and wondered why everyone was so paranoid about the government taking away our second amendment rights.  I was also completely stupid about how to discern political trolls, invaders and infiltrators here at RedState.   But –  in no time short — I found myself delighted with glee when Bill S., Moe or Neil would come along, detect danger in a poster and annihilate ‘em from the site!  Victory!  We got one of the traitors!

Now, a mere year later, I’m checking out a new gun store across town, am an active member in the local Tea Party and have to fight feelings of rage toward relatives who are “leftish.”  That leaves me conflicted because as a Christian, I am supposed to love my enemies (especially when they’re relatives), but how can I love someone who is so stupid?  Can’t they see the danger all around us and how our freedoms are hanging in the balance?

Is this just a phase?  Or am I permanently addicted?  Will I get tired of this and back off after a while or am I doomed to this obsession that if I don’t pay attention, hold everybody I can think of accountable and motivate my whole neighborhood to register Republican, I have failed my civic duty to my country?

Maybe I just need a little reassurance.  Does it get any easier or does this go on for life?  Thank you for any answers anyone can give me.

 

Update:  Thursday, 7-26-2012  It occurred to me about half-way through replying to all the comments that I was asking other political addicts if they thought I was becoming addicted to politics.  Then I thought that might be the equivalent of asking all my drinking buddies at the bar* if they thought I was an alcoholic.  Could they really be honest and objective and give me the answers that I need?

The answer is yes.  Thank you so much for all of the comments here.  You helped me through another growing pain and I really appreciate all of the insight, advice, commiseration and encouragement.  Politics ain’t all bad, and I now feel ready to march forward determined to remain a happy warrior.

*Just an analogy…I don’t have buddies I drink with at bars.

 

 

 

 

 

COMMENTS

  • Xasteius

    I’m not that much older than you (Redstate-wise), but at some point I’ve discovered that I just have to take a break from politics and Redstate just to maintain. It’s so easy for me to get wrapped up in this stuff (especially when there is so much at stake), but God is in control of the situation. Granted, Redstate and the conservative news sites give me direction in my prayer, and that for me brings me the most peace. There’s only so much I can do as a human; God takes care of the rest.

    • westcoastpatriette

      you seem so sophisticated I assumed you were an old-timer here. Good to know I’m not alone. I think some of it is that we are truly at a crucial time in our nation’s history — so our involvement is important but, as you say, we cannot forget that God is ultimately in control.

  • avagreen

    in just one year, no less.

    I’ve been a political junkie for about…….9 to 10 years. I’ve periodically fixated by it, give it a rest, and then come back. Regarding leftists, just refute with facts. Even if they won’t accept it, those lurkers and other readers will get an education.

    My opinion of how to spend time: Flame wars are just useless, take up space, and usually involve the egos of two or three, accomplish nothing other than who can come up with the latest name to call. Sometimes results in bullying (even from the good guys). Convinces no one who is really willing and wanting to learn, which is the goal, no?

    I think you are doing great. I always read your opinions because of the meat included in them. ;)

    • westcoastpatriette

      wasn’t fishin’ for a compliment, but I’ll take it. :)

      And thanks for the feedback to stay out of the flame wars as they are usually a battle of wills and winning the argument becomes more important than the issue. Don’t need to waste time there.

  • Common_Cents

    But make sure you have some balance and it doesn’t impact your life negatively.

  • gekster

    welcome to the club.

    I didn’t pay attention until I got my first paycheck, looked at all the taxes, (yes, they had taxes in 68), and I asked why the taxes.
    It was explained to me, and then I asked who determines the taxes.
    After that was explained to me, I was hooked on politics.
    I was a Democrat like my Mom and Dad, that is until one day I asked someone what was the difference between a
    Democrat and a Republican.
    I was told that a Republican says, “if you make money, you should keep it and spend it your own way”,
    And a Democrat says “if you make money, give it to me because
    I can spend it better”.
    I became a Republican,
    and when Reagan was President,
    I became a conservative Republican.
    When Obama got elected,
    I became a Constitutional Conservative Republican.

    Again, welcome to the club.

    • westcoastpatriette

      you have always made me feel welcome at RedState. I remember when I was brand new here, you and acat explaining to me late one night what “kowalski” meant. And what 5 meant. Memories. :)

      • emptybucket

        thank you for the encouragement you’ve given me. I have read RS for over a year before asking for the priviledge to comment and then to be able to write a diary. You were right there when I took the step to join some discussions with the kind thought and the encouraging word. Thank you.

        After reading RS at least once everyday for months I knew who I would be interested in communicating with right away. Sure enough, it has happened and I am thrilled.

        Regarding the addiction, for I think that is what it is especially when a person derives comfort from a thing…as in all things, moderation. We all have to learn when we’re spending too much time at something. About the only thing you can’t spend too much time on is reading the Bible! Oh, and playing the piano (which I dearly love to do but ain’t that great at it).

        There are so many informative, interesting, intelligent diaries to read at RS one could spend hours here. There is so much to learn and soak up. AND it is so easy to tell when someone is spewing bologna!

        I don’t know what a kowalski is but think it might mean a blank spot where a video was suppose to be?? and as for what 5 means – well someday I’m sure I’ll find out.

        There is much to take to the Lord on RS also that I wasn’t praying about before but do now. As I’ve said before my favorite RS season is Easter when Eric brings scripture to the site in a big way.

        As a beloved friend always says to me, “keep your faith”, and God bless you Patriette, Elaine

        • gekster

          A ’5′ is a rating for a comment on a scale of one to five.

          A ‘kowalski’ is adding an after thought to one of your own comments.
          It is a reply to yourself, named after the poster kowalski.
          (who somone just found out is a real person)

          Hope that helps, and if there is any other questions you have regarding this site, just ask and there are more than enough here who would be more than happy to answer.

          • emptybucket

            I’m learning! And thank you to for your encouragement. When you recommended one of my diaries last week I about feel off my chair. I’m glad I wrote it because everyone’s comments were helpful and you know what? I calmed down. ;-) (don’t have the smiley faces)

            You are one of the posters I look for as I know I’m going to understand most of what you are saying. Ha Ha. Hugs, Elaine

          • gekster

            and I might need a bigger hat size now also. :)

          • emptybucket

            don’t believe in false flattery. When I say something, I mean it! Didn’t mean to make you blush tho’.

            Have a good evening. Mr. Emptybucket wants to use the computer to look up some of his ammo stuff. Oh wait, can I say that word or will some government agency be knocking at our front door in 10 minutes??

          • gekster

            And I think you will hear the black heleocoptors first.

          • From ME to You

            You won’t hear them the, rotors have silencers on them!!!! ;)

  • runner12

    I was never really “political” before I started reading RS. I still do not consider myself political now, just an informed citizen.

    I also found myself getting irritated with those who were more concerned with who was winning American Idol, rather than the state of the nation. I have one such Liberal friend who I cannot speak to about politics with because she really does not know what she believes, she just goes with what she thinks is “cool” at the time. I have to remind myself in these situations that I am a Christ-follower and I want to show people His love and grace and not be all irritated.

    What has helped me the most I think is remembering that people do not have to be right or good in order for me to show God’s love and grace to them. Leftists and the neo-socialist ideology that they adhere to will never be right, history proves this to be true. But that should not stop me from showing them the love of Christ. Jesus told people flat-out when people were wrong or in error, but He did it in way that was so full of grace, love, and mercy. That is how I want to be.

    • acat

      Doc Zero’s “Prayer from the Living World” is a powerful reminder to engage, and not just online.

      I recall Aaron Gardner wrote a very good piece on the need for taking a step back and reflecting, although I cannot currently find it….

      I’m sure you’ll find balance.

      Mew

      • westcoastpatriette

        Powerful. Thanks for the link.

    • 10ab

      We have certainly had our disagreements here at RS but I do feel your pain. My “moment of clarity” happened well over a year ago. I realized I had not heard a word of the sermon because I was scanning the congregation for who might be Dems. I was sickened by my behavior and have never forgotten it. I do know we must not let politics alienate us from our family or our friends and if we do we will be the worse for it. Good luck…

      • westcoastpatriette

        maybe we can start over…it’s my least favorite thing about all of this. The anger and vitriol. And I know I get caught up in it sometimes. We need maybe to listen more and argue less, huh?

        Thanks for commenting.

        • 10ab

          I didn’t even know I was a RINO until I came to this site:). Understanding differences is for sure a good start.

          • ncfamilyman

            tapping my fingers together like Mr. Burns. “Ehhhxcellent.” Your feeling is to be expected.

          • lastgopinillinois

            I don’t know how old you are WCP, but I’m old as the hills, but when I was a young man I had very little patience (particularly with myself) but certainly with others also. A few decades back, I came to realize that I might be a little happier in life if I had some patience, so I asked God to give me some.
            And wow, over time I noticed that I was acquiring more and more patience.

            Having a leftist relative, freind or neighbor is like having a mentally ill relative, etc. I happen to have a brother who is mentally ill. I am the only one of my siblings that knows how to deal with him successfully. Thats patience.

            I have another brother that is a self proclaimed socialist and former union employee (fully indoctrinated). I have a sister who is an atheist. They actually want big government to do everything and provide everything for them. They wouldn’t care if it meant turning over their entire salary to the govt. They believe it makes life easier for them.

            I can discuss issues with each of them in a civil manner, but it will never change their minds.

            But there have been others I believe I have made an impact upon, maybe even outright converts to the right.

            Sure I get upset when I hear about our losses in the battle for conservatism, and probably always will. We just gotta fight back every way we can in our own way.

        • funwithknives

          something that caught your eye. Ever-more-bothered by what you noted initially and so many other mileposts that boded ill.

          You opened doors and found ever-more metaphorical doors, blind hallways , and round-a-bouts.

          You looked for some guidance and those ‘of your stripe’.
          …..and in this place , you found some of what you were looking for.
          Such as comradeship, empathy and (in my case anyway) a respite of sorts.

          Who does not seek a Safe Harbor? Where you are welcomed back in ways LARGE and… small. I speak ‘for true’, when I say that it is always a pleasure to arrive here.
          …and leaving ‘gets’ me, just a little….

          There are no ‘dark sides’ here. Only “Expectant Light” and discoveries yet unknown.

          Too corny? Too bad. As Popeye so famously stated :
          “Eye yam what Eye yam and that’s all what Eye yam”

          It’s always good, to see and hear you.
          You betcha’………….

          • westcoastpatriette

            For sure I have found my political home here. So glad, too. There’s power in knowing you are not alone. ‘Specially, because the left tries to coerce and convince people that their viewpoints and positions are the norm. Ha!

    • emptybucket

      is definitely the right way to show the love of Jesus. It does seem tho’, to me, that in today’s left society we are not even able to speak aloud when they are flat out wrong without being called a name. Sometimes the name calling is very nasty. It has made me not want to encourage conversation with some in my life but I still smile and extend a hug whenever I can. I just finished writing our prayer group at church something very similar to your last 2 sentences. Guess we’d have a pretty good eye to eye conversation. God bless you. How wonderful to actually be able to write that without someone coming along and ridiculing me.

      Will the political left ever understand that our faith and belief system is what makes us what we are and what we believe, and that is why we fight so hard to keep it? I shudder to think that we have a president right now that a majority of our population is not even sure if he has a faith in anything but himself. What am I saying? Sometimes it seems like he is having delusions of god-hood!

      RedState being dedicated to the Conservative viewpoint is a like a breath of fresh air to those of us surrounded by oppresive leftist views in our lives.

      • runner12

        to love certain people :) . Some people make it much more difficult than others, you know what I mean?

        I am grateful to RS for creating an atomsphere in which Conservative ideas can be discussed and promoted. I have learned so much from reading on this site!

  • Jack_Savage

    …but anyway.

    Yes, it happened to me. Yes, I am OK now, although acat, kyle8, zachv, aesthete and others would argue differently.

    I have family who voted for Obama, and dear, dear friends who are hard left. I made a decision a some time ago not to let anyone’s political persuasion interfere in the least with my love for them. Interestingly, I seemed to be far more willing to cut friends slack than I was family, and it caused some fairly significant problems for a while, which I was able to get over only recently.

    Statements like, “You’re unhappy with the economy? First you need to take responsibility for the boneheaded vote you cast for this idiot Communist and his little power hungry suck buddies!” As you can imagine, not many hearts and minds were won. Made me feel better, made others feel really hurt and really bad, and did not achieve anything.

    Now, when I’m around my friends, I will make a statement like, “I really don’t like Bill O’Reilly,” and when they turn around to agree wholeheartedly I will say, “I just think he’s too liberal,” then laugh really, really hard. When I am around my family, the first thing I say is, “I get why people voted for Obama,” because I do. There are a lot of people who were fed up, and saw what they thought was a bright young man who would change things. Now they see he is nothing more than an apparatchik, and are truly hurt and even more disillusioned. I have found that rubbing their noses in it does nothing more than firm up their resolve, while offering sympathy and an alternative changes hearts and minds.

    As far as the other stuff on here goes, take a break. Second, take a break, then take a break. God and family are important – spend some time on that. Concentrate fully on your circle of influence. There isn’t a thing I can do about the border in Arizona, but there is something I can do something about the trash in my church parking lot. I can’t vote in Wisconsin, but I can go by the polls here and either help or encourage those who are working. You get the idea.

    It will get better but you have to make it so. If you are a happy warrior, that will help you achieve what you seek – change. Don’t live in fear or plan for the worst, but go with confidence, your eyes wide open and a willingness to share what you believe and why you believe it.

    My 2 cents.

    • westcoastpatriette

      but when I got it, I rolled on the floor laughing!

      Much wisdom in your comments. Thank you.

  • barry915barry

    I kinda smiled when I read your diary (both times). I understand. Wake up, read RedState. Home from work, read RedState. Before bed, read RedState. Not to mention, Rush, Newsmax, Politico, Boortz,etc..

    Addicted, hmmmm. Eye of the beholder I guess. The guys in my small group laugh at me because I get so worked up over every primary, when the TP is unfairly targeted, or when the Rep. party does something stupid (daily it seems).

    The balance will come. I had to walk away for a few months because it was all consuming.

    I try to walk in the Spirit at home and at work. I figure that if I do that, it covers the vast majority of my waking hours and the direct people contacts that I mostly have.
    Obviously we use Scripture as our standard. I try to let my “politics” be an off shoot of what Scripture says.

    Yes, I still get crazy when our “esteemed” President shares his wisdom with us via another executive order, but, we learn to try to impact our immediate circles first.

    A an aside, you may simply be called to be active in the political arena. Food for thought. Barry.

    • westcoastpatriette

      yes, I’ve been wondering if God is calling me to the political arena. He knows just how to lure people where he wants them, doesn’t He?

      In fact, a couple years ago, I came across a teaching called the Seven Mountains — cannot recall the teachers name right now. But, it was describing how God was getting ready to send all of his children into the seven mountains of culture to bring the gospel to them. The mountains were family, education, government, the church, the arts, business and…oh, no, can’t remember the seventh one. Anyway, the Lord is tired of us staying in the church and on the pews. Time to be the salt and the light in the earth!

      • gekster

        Reclaiming the Seven Mountains.

        The seven mountains are business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion.

        I did a search on ‘Reclaiming the Seven Mountains’, and there a ton of articles and some vids on this.

        • westcoastpatriette

          media is the one I was missing — guess I was including it in the arts. Awesome teaching.

          • westcoastpatriette

            and it was the one by Lance Wallnau. I googled that phrase and there are a number of different teachers but, Lance is the one I heard. It’s a great teaching and prepared me to continue here at RS because I think God wants me here now.

      • barry915barry

        that we are called to be the Salt and the Light (Matthew). Not always sure what form that takes, but then again, figuring it out is half the fun!

        Your “not staying in the pews” comment made me think of Whoopi Goldberg in Sister Act where she convinces the Sisters that they actually need to go out into the community and not just stay holed up in the convent.

        It occurs to me that the fact that you are evaluating (as evidenced by this diary), tells me you are on the right track. I am off to bed. My small group meets at 6am. Night.

  • fightnright

    talk about naive! I don’t know a fraction *yet* of all the amazing contributors – the old political hands here at RS have to offer us, so I should be ashamed to estimate the number of years I might have been soaking up knowledge. (My excuse, that my senior brain doesn’t work like a very good sponge, seems a little iffy :-/ ).

    Maybe I can offer one addition from my perspective. When listening to outside sources (I mean other than RS), like talk radio and political TV, remember that you can get easily addicted, NOT to the actual issues of the day, and the current stories of the machinations of the left, but addicted to the emotional ‘hit’ that comes along with them.

    Radio and TV managers know that the best driver for getting listeners to tune in comes from that hit of adrenaline which does rile us up. Despite what some may think, the hormonally charged chemistry that gets us negatively hyped is something we can begin to crave, just like needing the (equally biological) hits of sugary/fatty food, sports-fever, or extreme risk-taking behaviors. If you think of how the mind will revisit *again and again* angers caused by say, a slight from a friend, a family argument, or a recent fender bender, you might see how the emotional self can get hooked on violent emotions, and returns, like a food-rewarded rat, to get shaken up constantly.

    So it sometimes helps us riled up types (and boy am I one), to try recalling that every story presented in the ratings-hungry media is expressly designed for its maximum emotional impact; or to put it in the new terms of advertising ‘science’, to recruit the most adrenal/hormonal ‘alert’ chemicals effectively. When we see we *cannot help* but constantly listen to talk radio or the tube for more of those hits of negative emotions, that might be a symptom that we may be becoming addicted, and perhaps just a day or so away from these shows may help maintain a balance.

    Taking things im-personally may also help – that is, deliberately finding a moment to make contact with our Divinely informed Selves to conquer our small Pavlovian selves, and by the prayer techniques recommended by contributors like acat up-thread.

    Pearl Buck grew up a child of missionary parents in rural China, and was at first in disheartened from seeing so much poverty and suffering in her world. She writes that what gave her renewed faith was being able to help, in any capacity, which made it possible for her to go on with her own humanitarian work. Redstate is the greatest place to discover how conservatives can rise from despair, by learning how to contribute to our cause each in our own way, big or small, to make the US and the world in turn a better place.

    • westcoastpatriette

      thank you for sharing your insight. :)

      • fightnright

        …now you just KNOW that is not the wisest of choices for the digestion of riled-up folks, and how many times have I pontificated (to myself) that mealtimes should first be blessed, and then followed only by soft beautiful music or family chatter….

        (

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I was well connected here in Colorado, but not so much anymore. I still have my own website, but haven’t posted there in over 2 years. It was really a lot of things. I got tired of the in-fighting, especially all the accusations if you didn’t support the “preferred” candidates and causes.

    There have been way too many “own goals” here in Colorado (Dan Maes, Buck vs. Norton, Personhood, etc.). The county GOP completely fell apart with a financial scandal and it still trying to recover. The “Tea Party” is run mostly by Libertarians.

    I don’t really have the time much for it anymore anyway, as you can see from my recent posting history. I think I’ve just moved on to things more interesting to me now.

    • westcoastpatriette

      don’t see you around as much these days.

    • audax

      ….and want you to know, the linkst helped one of them become very involved in the Park CO GOP, a Tea Party, and he has since become a precinct delegate and attended a State GOP. Thanks nighttwister! One Conservative-noun at a time!

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        It’s good to hear there was a positive outcome from all that work.

  • kowalski

    I agree with the viewpoints expressed above talking about the “sugar rush” and “adrenaline hit” of news media in general. It’s designed to torque you. There’s never a story that says:

    “There was a thunderstorm today in Idaho. Clouds blew over, rain fell, wind blew, everyone went home and tomorrow they’ll be back at work.”

    It’s always:

    “An enormous front tore through Idaho today, threatening thousands of people with home damage and pelting people with massive assaults of rain and snow. It’s friggin’ amazing anyone even survived, and reports of the damage are still coming in as homeowners and business owners try to decide whether or not to continue living, dude ;) .”

    If you get my drift….

    • westcoastpatriette

      I always enjoy reading your thoughts.

      I’ve gotten some really good replies here. And I must admit that politics is not all bad. I do enjoy some of it. Hopefully, I will become more balanced in the future and I will take note of the times I need to “watch the clouds blow around or paint daisy pictures on sidewalks.” But, of course, that probably won’t happen until after the election. :)

      • kowalski

        I can tell you a little story secondhand.

        Early in the days this blog was online, one of the big problems was that it was a very small place in the blog ecosystem up against a lot of other liberal/leftist blogs. There was a contributor here, Adam Doverspike who is a wonderful person and he is also a moderate as far as the tenor of our present times is concerned.

        Adam tried to visit Daily Kos and break bread and make common ground and within a few hours his account was deleted. It was impossible for him even to broach a moderately “conservative” position there without being – basically – grabbed by the collar and tossed out.

        I tried it too and got the same treatment.

        That was several years ago now, and nothing has gotten better. It’s an enormously divided country and if anything the opinions have hardened considerably since then. I have people in my own family who think I’m some kind of monster for even commenting on Redstate. Literally cannot sit across the room from them.

        We’re a deeply, deeply polarized nation and it’s about 50/50. It resembles a prison gang fight at this point.

        • kowalski

          BLAMED ME for the shooting in Colorado, because I support the NRA.

          Think about that for a few seconds. People are so far in outer space in terms of their thinking that they’re blaming one of their relatives for the act of a madman.

          Not a good sign.

  • liberty17

    I became a political junkie after Terri Schiavo’s case. I remember all of sudden understanding how important our involvement is.
    It wasn’t long before I wanted to be infomed on every topic, and for a few years it was just about all I did with my free time. After a while though, I got weary. That is when I went back to basics; why I got invoved in the first place. I also decided I could stay informed, but spend less time on it. You know what? I didn’t feel weary anymore.

    You might get to this point oneday. Just remember that we are in a fight of good against evil, and we are not going to win overnight.In fact, we will never win on this earth. So keep things in perspective.
    It is our Christian duty to be invovled and fight for what is right, but it is not the only thing to focus on.
    In other words: stop and smell the roses!

  • davenj1

    I find myself checking it daily if not on my PC at home, then at work or on my phone. Its not an obsession, but a means to debate and discuss topics of major importance to this Nation. I think that our Founders would be quite proud and we are, in fact, continuing in that tradition.

    As others have said, however, it is good to take the occasional break. Being politically involved and knowledgeable is a life time job and like any job, you sometimes need a “vacation.”

    And I have found that despite the sometimes emotional rhetoric and name-calling, posters and comments here are generally well-informed. Hell, I’ve been called a bigot and “retard” on occasion because someone took offense to a view stated. Comes with the territory. I have my disagreements with many things and views expressed here and am not afraid to state them. In fact, I rue the day anyone is afraid to speak their mind. When and if that day comes, then surely the Left has won the battle. I’ll go down fighting.

    • Bill S

      to once again refer to

      This.

      It’s so appropriate to some of the more “heated” exchanges we see on a regular basis…

    • audax

      Thanks, Greg

  • californiasquish

    I read news and opinion websites from all over the political spectrum, and I find myself both more informed and more frustrated than I’ve ever been. Especially with the election coming up, and the rhetoric heating up everywhere, it’s good to unplug every now and again.

    When you are foaming at the ear, take a break for a few days and recharge, politics will be here when you get back. Haha.

    Bottom line, tho, you’re taking part in this great political experiment instead of watching from a distance. And that’s rarely a bad thing.

    As for talking with the ‘other side,’ I’ve posted this link before, but I think it’s worth bringing up again. Here’s the Gallup polling on conservative vs. liberal ideology in America.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

    Many on this site will take heart that the largest single group is ‘conservative’, but it’s worth noting that the majority of Americans (liberals and moderates together make 56%) are ideologically to the left of that. I constantly remind my liberal friends the converse is also true, they are outnumbered by moderates and conservatives. In addition, not all conservatives are Republicans, and not all liberals are Democrats. There’s variation even in the Tea Party.

    Here’s Gallup again:
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/Tea-Party-Supporters-Overlap-Republican-Base.aspx

    As it says at the top, while the Tea Party is predominantly made up of conservatives, a full 21% of Tea Party supporters are moderates and Democrats. That’s one in five.

    My take: there aren’t two diametrically opposed political ideologies in this country, but 313 million. People don’t break cleanly along ideological lines, and everyone (with a few oddball exceptions) wants what’s best for this nation. We just have infinite variations of what that means.

    I like to think of it this way: we are all want to get to the same place, we just can’t agree on which road to take.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Very informative.

  • avagreen

    Some of you may have already heard/read this, but it made my day as I read it just now….

    In a rare, unscripted moment, Mitt Romney joked with Brian Williams after the famed NBC anchor asked the Republican presidential candidate would pick a

    • westcoastpatriette

      What a zinger! Love it.

      • avagreen

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/26/Romney-to-Brian-Williams
        When Williams tried to hector Romney and paint him exactly the way the Democrats would want, asking him if he was looking to choose

  • cactusjack

    and sorry it has taken so long. I’ve been around longer than you but – in the relative scheme of things – not much longer. Being here on the whole is a very positive thing. ColdWarrior and Erick’s prodding got me involved in Catherine Engelbrecht’s True the Vote, and -voila- I found myself a volunteer election precinct officer in my home county, And I have a wife and kids, I’m a busy guy.
    Your day of balance will come, WCP It will come when you get up one morning and read the RS headlines and say to yourself “I can’t believe this – I do NOT agree with Erick on this!” (Moe, that’s another matter…) You weather it, recalibrate, and realize, we will not all agree on everything, let’s do the Benjamin Franklin thing and hang together for we know what the opposite is – you will start finding the balance of all things. Good luck.

    • westcoastpatriette

      to give that sound advice. Several others have said the same — that in due time I will find a better balance. Looking forward to that time.

    • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

      Thanks for getting involved.

      And I have really enjoyed your and WCP’s posts here as well as Cinco’s, including the one below.

      If we all do a little, we can accomplish much.

      Thank you.

      CW

      • cactusjack

        /nt/

  • cactusjack

    nt.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Just a few thoughts that may not have been stressed above.

    I have found it necessary to work out a few priorities in my fairly long tenure here when facing the thoughts you have expressed. As well-regulated and robustly-enforced as RedState is, and despite the fact that Conservative thought is assumed to be friendlier than Liberalism to Christian thought and expression, a fair amount of discourse here, as you know by now, is decidedly sub-Christian, and some is openly anti-Christian in either tone or content.

    What’s the Christian–to whom “Hallowed be your name” will be of more ultimate import than “Our guy must win in November at all costs”–to do in such an environment?

    No long treatise from me this time, just a few brief reminders of non-negotiables which have steadied me more than once–and which, sadly, any number of readers will be able to recall my having violated (for which only the Righteousness of the Spotless Lamb will suffice); even so, abusus non tollit usum.

    • Our words are bound not by Posting Rules alone, but by the Word of God:

    Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says,

    • westcoastpatriette

      Cannot hear them enough. Especially the ones about our speech.

      With respect to my personal involvement with people in need, this time at RedState is an unusual season for me in terms of being on the internet so much. I am caring for my mother who had a stroke. There are no other relatives living close enough to help and she cannot be left alone for long periods of time — hence, this is part of the reason I spend so much time here at RedState right now. But, under normal circumstances, I am usually much more involved in impacting the lives of those in need in the church.

      So, I see this season in my life as a huge learning process and am trying to glean as much information as I can as I do believe the Lord wants his people to stay engaged in our government.

      As usual, I appreciate all the advice and scriptural wisdom you always provide. Be blessed, brother!

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      Interesting in light of our morning sermon during which our minister suggested a re-reading of the New Testament while looking for references to the 2nd coming (mentioned over 300 x’s). If that doesn’t change one’s perspective, I’m not sure what will.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and wondering what I might add that would be helpful. Having just read Cinco’s wise advice for which I’m thankful, probably not much.

    However, I will point out as I have before that at one point, I found myself bordering on making comments I wouldn’t say in person. I joined in piling on a couple of times to the point I went back and apologized to the person in question and then worried about whether or not he saw it (thankfully, he did). When I noticed I was hitting the backspace key more times than not, I began to question myself. This led to beginning to post under my own name. I’m not urging you to do the same. There are a variety of reasons as to why folks post under a handle rather than their given name, and that’s okay.

    For me, using my own name is a constant reminder that my reputation is on the line. To know that a good friend or family member or those I’ve come to respect here at redstate may read my comments keeps me honest and in check. As a result, I post less often and less flippantly, and I think I’ve become a better listener/reader. Not to say I still don’t fail at times.

    Taking Cinco’s “according to scripture” advice, I’m reading James 3 more often.

    • westcoastpatriette

      (the idea of “coming out” and using my real name) but, for some reason, I am not quite ready to do that. I am a bold speaker of truth sometimes and I think the recent “SWATing events added to some of my timidity. When the time is right, though, I will do it.

      Hopefully, my comments are not much different than they would be if I were using my real name. Sometimes, I cringe and wonder what my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ might think if they read them, though. So many of the ones I know have very little involvement in politics and I might sound strangely harsh to them.

      The thing that bothers me the most about this arena of life is the excessive amount of time spent on evaluating other people’s character — which is a set-up to veer off course and become too judgmental and hyper critical. Those are qualities I have worked to overcome as I used to be that way when I was a baby Christian. So, I have constantly be on guard and evaluate what I am saying and why.

      Thanks for the feedback, though. I think you are doing a fabulous job of confronting in respectful ways. Love to read your stuff.

      • westcoastpatriette

        and for all the high talk of trying to maintain my integrity, I fell off the wagon big time Friday when I called rickperryreport an arrogant punk! And I’m sure Erick must have seen it as I did it in his defense. lol. Thank God, His mercies are new every morning! :)

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          or that I haven’t had the same thoughts. I do a lot of yelling at the tv in the privacy of my own home. LOL. Just trying to watch the public comments and examine my heart in the process.

          And I appreciate the feedback that you think I’m succeeding in being respectful. The newer, gentler Melody, and it’s helped me in my more personal conversations, especially with my son who is somewhat apolitical – leans left. There was a time we couldn’t have a civil discussion about politics. It’s better now since both of us have matured.

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  • lineholder

    The naivete you make reference to…that’s gone. It will never return. But how you respond to the changes and where you go from here…that’s up to you.

    I went through a phase where I could barely speak a civil word to people who were “leftish”. After a while though, I settled down into this mode of “my country, my nation, my people”…even if I didn’t like them very much most of the time and felt like giving them a major Gibbs-style head-slap more often than not. And as a Christian, keeping in mind that each person has a soul, the life of that soul is eternal, and I never know exactly when or how God might give me a chance to witness to that soul…that sort of keeps me in line, more often than not.

    You’ll find your way through it, WCP.

  • westcoastpatriette

    It must be my personality, because I can look back over my life and I have had other epiphanies that seemed to consume all of my attention for several years until l mastered the subject at hand.

    Guess that’s what’s happening to me right now.

  • leftylurker

    I’ve been here awhile, and I’ve seen a lot go on, and fundamentally, I agree that the vast majority of people here, as well as the vast majority of people on the left, really want good things for the country. Sure there are some terrible folks on both sides, but overall, most people are good.

    The best thing you said, imo, is that you’ve become an active and engaged citizen. I would trade 10 unthinking leftists who vote the way I do for 1 engaged tea party activist.

    And really, be nice to your lefty family, some might sincerely hold those beliefs and some might be deluded, but they are yours. And who knows, you may change someone’s mind. =)

  • Bill S

    It’s not all bad. :-)

    One thing I’ve learned is to not be “in your face” with the family and friends. My relationship with them is much more important than being “right” (double meaning there). Christians like to talk about “lifestyle evangelism”, where a more subtle, gradual approach to winning hearts can be effective. I believe politics can be quite the same.

  • lineholder

    who genuinely do want good things for this country. We’re just diametrically opposed on what “good” means and how to get there.

    Their willingness to put so much confidence in government, especially when it comes to economic issues…I find that completely and totally mind-boggling! I truly do.

    Politicians are just human beings, and when they are faced with a situation where they have such easy access to both power and money…they can’t be blindly trusted, which is what most people on the left seem to go along with day in and day out without end!

    For me, that’s where individual accountability becomes a big deal, and I’m constantly finding myself at a point of conflict with people on the left on this issue more than any other.

  • westcoastpatriette

    you’re actually giving me hope for the left. That was a very thoughtful comment. And it wasn’t full of angry, demeaning hate.

    I’m tired of hating. I want our nation to get along and work together again.

  • leftylurker

    I think we really need both sides. If one gets out of balance, then things get crazy.

    Thank you for your diary! And for caring! When it comes down to it, with all our differences, we’re all lucky members of the best country on earth.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Christians like to talk about

  • leftylurker

    Hopefully the different blends of good can come together to make a compromise that keeps our nation strong and our people prosperous.

  • aesthete
  • Bill S

    .

  • Jack_Savage

    “Preach the Gospel. Use words if necessary.”

  • earlgrey

    steroids. I have several little homes on the internet where I frequent other opinions. I pay attention to media bias and fret over how we win the culture wars. I read Breitbart’s book. I am engaged in my tea party. I go to county commission meetings. I research topics for my tea party. I try to provide a conservative voice on a liberal site that I frequent. I volunteer at the polls. I got so out of whack that last week I showed up at 6 am to travel to a different part of the state for GOTV, and then realized it was this Saturday that I go.

    I feel like a am watching a car wreck in slow motion with the brakes failing on June 28th when Roberts chose the court over the country.

    Does it make you feel better to think that some might even more consumed than you?

    What did I do with all my time before Obama??

  • lineholder

    When I first started reading and posting at RS, I was as naive as they come. But one thing I was absolutely sure of…we each have our own part to play!

    As the naivete or innocence (in WCPs words) began to slip away from me, I went through times when I felt like I had to push myself harder, mentally and emotionally carrying much more than I had to try to carry.

    Eventually, I found my part to play. It isn’t a big part or anything like that. It has to do with natural interests in “quality of”…quality of education, quality of healthcare, etc…and in revealing lies (there’s a lot of deception that goes on in politics…its gets in the way…becomes a hindrance rather than a help)

    If I had to give anyone else personal advice, I’d say “find your part to play”.

    Don’t feel like you have to fight all of the battle alone, because you aren’t alone.

  • westcoastpatriette

    feel better when I hear other people fretting, too. I guess I am at a stage where it seems a bit overwhelming at times because there’s so much going on and the political tasks will never end.

    Before I got so involved, I have always sort of prided myself on not allowing other people to control my life. Especially as a Christian I have learned to keep my eyes on the Lord and if anyone needed correcting it was myself not others.

    In politics, it seems a great deal of our time involves critiquing and judging others to see who is fit to serve and while that is a necessity, there is also danger if we go overboard and get too judgmental or self-righteous. Know what I mean?

    Anyway, thanks for sharing. I feel like I have made so many friends here who support me in my journey and teach me much.

  • earlgrey

    In some ways, I think I am trying to make up for the lost time while I sat complacent that voting republican was enough. I know it sounds weird, but I also try because I feel so obligated for my kids, especially my son. he was born on the 4th of July and I want that to still mean something when he grows up.

    I’ll find my niche, and my part to play. I just haven’t figured out exactly what that is yet. I take some mild comfort in that my neighbors who seem apolitcial to me, are asking me about my yard signs and who is who.

    Keep hope alive.

  • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

    ….at least it was to a nice, clean, reputable blog site like RedState :P

    I’m afraid you are ruined for all other political movements/parties. The purity police on the other side won’t take you back – you are “damaged goods”; your reputation is forever tarnished.

    No, now you are one of those “sadder but wiser” girls who is forever doomed to be looked on with sneering contempt by those who frequent the cocktail circuit – the elite, the erudite, those who are sure that they know better than you what is best for everyone.

    Your opinion will no longer matter to them – once you step over the line to “The Dark Side”, you will always be considered a lesser being in their eyes.

    But take heart, good pilgrim – we are a welcoming bunch. A little rough around the edges, true, but we’ll let you eat a greasy hamburger with fries, we’ll let you wash it down with a Big Gulp, and best of all:

    We’ve got cookies.

    Welcome to the wrong side of the tracks – you’re gonna love it here!

  • kowalski

    You will never again look at politics or any issue you’ve ever seen the same way. That would be true whether you were a leftist who went to Obsidian Wings or came to Redstate because you naturally gravitated here.

    On the other hand, you can take a pause. Don’t let it consume your life: there’s a lot more than politics.

    I try to maintain a balance, it’s not easy. Redstate is a place where people advocate VERY HARD for a Conservative point of view. If anything in my years here it has become more concentrated and more strident because the Obama administration is in power.

    You will absolutely never look at life the same way. Once you choose to get involved with politics it’s very much a Goethe thing: you can no longer be exclusively simpleminded, you can no longer be innocent. You’ve made a Faustian bargain by even reading this blog and being involved to the extent you are.

    There’s no erasing that, and there is unfortunately no backtracking from it. On the other hand, now that you know a little more about how the world really works, you can try to improve it. In our adversarial system that’s a very uphill battle.

    I suggest times where you completely abstain from posting and just live your life and remember why you like your life apart from politics, because I can tell you that there is almost nothing about politics that I enjoy.

  • Viet71

    My take, Teresa: It’s not US and THEM, except at the activist level.

    Ordinary people can meet in the middle and have regular conversations and exchange information and change one another’s views.

    Certainly, WCP has stepped over to the Dark Side in the world of political blogging. But, IMO, she has plenty of room, within her own beliefs, to engage the other side day-to-day.

  • kowalski

    The instant you concern yourself with national politics in any serious way you become a real adult. And real adults are not pure beings except in very rarefied places. In the real world, here on Earth, they’re always compromised. Even if you just think about single issue voting, you’re still compromised. There are people you are going to disagree with even if you restrict yourself to a single, “pure” issue.

    Once the virginity is lost it’s gone forever. You’re an adult now.

    That does not, however, mean you have to go bananas or prevent you from taking time off to watch the clouds blow around or paint daisy pictures on sidewalks, and it also should not prevent you from feeling joy and love, or have interests apart from it. If you feel that way, by all means: “Step Away from the Microphone and Go Build A Sandcastle.” :)

  • kowalski

    I think politics is a long, continuous commentary on the fact that human nature is just basically flawed but trying to get someplace better. But it’s mostly flawed, and it’s narrow, and luckily we live in a system (very luckily) where we’re allowed to express all kinds of points of view without being decapitated and things like that. But it’s still not a pleasant slog and right now is probably an exceptionally difficult time – BECAUSE of the Internet.

    But it’s the hand we’ve been dealt. And we’re dealing.

  • kowalski

    Dick Morris and guys like Carville, Clinton – are people with very, very strange genetic makeups. They’re mutants. It’s some bizarre pleiotropic base pair deletion, a strange nature/nurture defect in them.

    Multiple gene defect, probably. People like Limbaugh, even Erickson, certainly Stephanopoulos – all these people are missing a gene (I think) that allows other people to get tired of it all and just yawn at it and say: “What is WRONG with you people?”

    These guys are real mainline hardcore addicts and the rest of us just can’t take this drug at their level. Our hearts would explode. Our enzyme pathways just can’t take the level of junk they withstand as their daily bread. They’re the Toxic Avengers. ;)

  • kowalski

    You HAVE to watch Strange Brew if you want to maintain your sanity while being concerned with politics. If you haven’t, you’re screwed totally, eh.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3DYbE44OIE

  • PowerToThePeople

    and see how far it takes you.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I joined a community theater group. It was fantastic! Not only were all the women lefties with loose morals, but the guys were mostly all gay, so they were no competition.

    It was real fun, then I decided it was time to look for a wife and I found a nice conservative girl.

  • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

    ….it was a light-hearted comment, meant in fun. Read it that way and move on.

  • Viet71

    I mean it.

    You are strong and purposeful. You pull no punches. You make Kim Il Eun look like, well, a wimp. Which he is.

    Lefty women love that sort of strength projection. Hang around some college campuses — focus on the young faculty. You’ll be amazing.

    If I were you, I’d grow a beard and wear a tweed coat — just as bait.

    Said with respect.

  • kowalski

    Hissing and spitting around there on television, he’s barely a human being sometimes.

    There’s also a real moral problem in this country: everyone knows they have to LIE TO WIN. It’s now a question of who the better liar is.

  • Bill S

    I’m eating dinner.

  • Common_Cents

    They’ve never been proven out in the real world so they have to lie and alinsky opponents. There is hardly a single decent lefty with integrity in politics. If you try to discuss issues rationally with most lefties they go personal on you right away. Trickle down idiocy and rudeness from party leaders.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    There are drawings of Satan with a horrible face on his Ass.

    Those look just like Carville.

  • PowerToThePeople

    women on the right like honest strong men as well. But they also want a man who respects the rights of women, the unborn, our constitution, etc.

    Leftist women are trash. They want to make the murder of our young seem as normal as clipping a toe nail, they want socialist ideal running this country, and they are disgusting in manners and attitude towards anyone real woman on the right.

    I have no interest in spending a single sec with leftist women, way too many great women on our own side.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

  • avagreen

    Truly can’t remember one honest statement/fact in years.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  • kowalski

    It’s such a bad movie it’s a great movie. Max Von Sydow:

    “I could crush your head, like a nut. But I won’t. Because I need you.”

    And: “The power of the Force stopped you hosers.”

    And: “We won’t crash this one…it’s a BEER truck.”

    And: “No point in steering, now.”

    Every time I get frustrated with politics I watch that movie and realize what it’s REALLY all about. ;)

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    -nt

  • kowalski

    When it first came out, with my brother and my Dad on a “boys weekend movie trip” at 13 years old with a trip to a pizza restaurant afterward, on a gloomy, rainy day, and we laughed so hard at all the horrible over the top corniness of everything in it we almost didn’t make it home. We almost got kicked out of the theater laughing as hard as we did and the pizza joint was glad we 1) didn’t choke on anything 2) eventually went home.

    Every time I’m faced with the inscrutability of this behemoth government we have, all of its manifold ridiculousness, and all our politics with its revolting pettiness, I watch that movie and I feel much better.

  • westcoastpatriette

    sorry it took me so long to respond to your comment. I got distracted by other things, but, I wanted to clarify that I never was a leftist, just a minimally involved conservative Republican. So, when I said I lost my innocence, I just meant wrt politics — beyond staying registered and voting the party line.

    Anyway, appreciated and understood your analogy. Just had to say I was never ever a leftist. :)

  • gbenton

    Certainly, there is a time for balance and withdrawal and reflection, but I don’t see your heightened interest in RedState, etc., as obsession.

    I too was once politically unaware, back in 1992, and I became alarmed at the antics of the Clinton administration and discovered that I was a Republican in a hurry.

    The Obama years are an order of magnitude worse. Obama is not just some Democrat with slightly different policy objectives… he’s going for the touchdown to win the game for the statists and ‘fundamentally transform’ our nation.

    If we didn’t have an exceptional nation unequal in history and around the world as the pinnacle of human liberty and opportunity, one might shrug one’s shoulders.

    But Patriots have given their lives for over two centuries for the very rights that this Marxist/Fascist interloper is stripping away.

    Obama doesn’t think we built America, he believes every other nefarious explanation and worships the very thing which our ancestors worked so hard to limit… government (i.e. TYRANNY).

    You are awakened. You are aware. You have found a source of solid information and you are engaged, perhaps driven by alarm at what has taken place and where it leads as much as a sense of civic duty or patriotism.

    Thankfully, so far we are fighting with words and Bills and Laws and votes. And we must to some degree distinguish between our liberal friends and family who may not be as engaged or educated on the issues involved.

    But I have lost my interest in ‘bipartisanship’. I do not forgive or forget that the Democrats in Washington rammed Obamacare through over the objections of the people on matters that relate to my health and welfare.

    Who knows where this war of ideas will lead. I hope we win across the board in November and demoralize the Dems to the point of their disfunction and disarray.

    I do see this as a war none the less and the Democrat party not as the opposition with good will, but the enemy to be defeated now and forever more for their embrace of tyranny, an unforgivable sin in our Founder’s day.

    It is the willingness to be bipartisan, to endow Pelosi,Reid, and Obama with some Amercicanness that led us to this place, at the brink of no return.

    We trusted. They abused that trust. We compromised, they twisted the knife in our backs.

    So I say, take a break as needed. But this is not an obsession, it is an alarm that has sounded and we are in a position to reverse course and save our country from these leftist, unAmerican statist occupiers.

    I can understand and relate to an uninformed, well meaning liberal, but committed leftists are on the other side of history and of me and I will have no ties with any one of them on any level unless they repent and surrender their allegiance to the enemies within.

    I realize this is dark stuff. But I’ve seen their comments, I’ve watched their reaction to votes when they are defeated… they hate us. They’ve wished us harm. And with the Black Bloc OWS and the violence in our cities, I can tell they want this to go to the next level. For our children and our future, they must be defeated at the ballot box if we are to prevent much worse from coming. They can not be in charge of the White House and be Commander In Chief.

    I pray the Democrats of old take back their party from the Progressive infiltrators, but I will believe it when I see it and not before.

    The ray of hope is that we outnumber them. There are online communities where we can connect like this, and that is how we stay strong and restore our Country.

  • westcoastpatriette

    every word is true. We are dealing with new levels of evil in our government and as you said, they hate us with a passion. We simply have no choice but to fight until they are completely defeated and demoralized.

  • gbenton

    and see you as one of the well meaning liberals who should be the heart of the Democrat Party.

    Currently, we do not need both sides, however. Stripping away right protected by our Constitution and acting outside the bounds of limited enumerated powers is not a ‘side’. It is the behavior of an enemy.

    Things get crazy when government forgets that it works for US and not the other way around and the Obama Democrats are utterly unconcerned with the boundaries they are pushing.

    I truly hope people like you recognize that whatever your interest in left ideals, the folks who run your party are not like you. They don’t want balance. They want total control. They showed that prior to the Nov 2010 mid terms.

    All I’m saying is that you may need to take sides at some point and I hope you chose Romney over Obama because the ‘why can’t we all get a long’ thing is really not appropriate right now given that one side (Obama) is not acting in good faith in any way shape or form..

    On this I hope we agree. Any elected official who won’t follow the Constitution does not deserve to hold office. Obama has not obeyed the spirit or the letter of the Constitution in key areas and that should not be rewarded with a vote by any American. Period. The ends do not justify the means.

    I hope the happy days where we’re all Americans and can have disagreements with a range of what our Constitution allows return. I really do. But until then, until this administration and it’s allies are defeated, I say one is either with America and the Constitution, or against it.

    You of course don’t have to agree with that, but know that the issue is on the table and in large part it is up to your side to prevent things from going off the rails.

  • gbenton

    For my own well being, I do not wish to ‘turn to the dark side’ and hate the left, but I do hold them accountable for the boundaries and for their actions with conviction and determination.

    What they are doing (the far left) is wrong. That is the truth. Breaking laws, Fast and Furious, lying to Congress, lying to the Supreme Court, going outside the powers of the Executive… that’s all wrong. And it leads to worse if not checked NOW.

    At some point, Democrats will have to decide if they are willing to condone and support tyranny to win political battles or not. Some are, and we see them on a daily basis. I pray there is a silent majority of Democrats who see themselves as Americans first and Donkey’s second. And some of course do. But they’ve got to fight with us now.

    My post was a bit dark… and I get that you’re also looking for sanity and a way to maintain balance in all of this… and I guess what I’m saying is that I maintain my balance by sticking to what is the truth and not wringing my hands over ‘not getting along’. Doubt is a cancer when dealing with evil. And yes, it helps me to identify lawless politicians as evil (see Fast and Furious).

    Once they are defeated, however long that takes, any who wish to repent or rebuild their party into something that is not a disgrace, are welcome and forgiven on a spiritual level. But I will never trust someone who votes for Obama in 2012. they are either stupid or evil or both.

  • westcoastpatriette

    was in some ways, a selfish outcry because I recognize just how much our government has been corrupted and it seems like the fight may never end. If we don’t make major inroads this election, the fight will intensify even more. I realize that and I have zero desire to make peace with the left. It’s the rest of the electorate that I worry about. I fear they do not fully understand the danger we are in.

  • gbenton

    Leftist ideas of statist control and top down policies don’t work and never have.

    The ignorant and the stupid and the oblivious can be herded with memes the evil leftists devise to drive them like sheep to the slaughter house.

    That’s why those on the left are either ignorant or evil (and sometimes both).

    That our schools, our media, our entertainment is utterly devoid of anything the Founders would recognize is not an accident considering the left dominates all three.

    That stupid people can vote is one of my greatest concerns.

    That said, the Achilles Heel of leftism is that it doesn’t work, and as the sheep enter the slaughter house and hear the carnage, they try to escape.

    The economy sucks so bad and Obama’s results are so unforgivable, I believe he will lose merely because the couch potatoes have noticed their supply of Cheetos is interrupted and they’ll blame the guy at the top.

    Karma is real. Thankfully.

  • Jack_Savage

    His comment was, “You know – in theory I could have slept with every single person in the building…”

  • westcoastpatriette

    we reap what we sow, for sure.