“We need to raise taxes or we will have to cut Police, Fire and Teachers. ” This excuse for raising taxes replaced the “Children” which was big in the 90’s. I like this one even less, because there is an element of extortion to it, as well as outright hubris.
The main thing you need to remember is that we as citizens know alot better as to how to spend our money then our legislators do. And, you can never go wrong with more of it in your pocket. Also, before I give anymore money to someone I’ve been supporting, I like to know what happened to the money I already gave them. With that said the next time some “fat cat” Governor lays this rap on me, I want or shall I say demand to know the following:
1. do they drive their own car or does the state provide them with one?
2. who pays for them to live in the Governor’s Mansion?
3. What is their yearly salary… when was the last time they were given a raise?
4. how many people do they have on their staff… and what do they really do?
Before we make any cuts in Police, Fire and Teachers here is what we can do first:
1. require state legislators and leaders provide their own car and pay for their own gas.
2. have them pay rent on any state owned housing and pay utilities.
3. take a pay cut or maybe a roll back on a raise.
4. consolidate or let go of some of their personal staff.
The money saved in all four of these areas can go to pay salaries for policemen, firemen, and teachers. It’s done in all the time in the private sector. Also, these are the kinds of tough decisions an average family makes. But as we all know, our politicians will never do with less– voluntarily that is.
Well the last thing I would like to do is analyze how they could, if they had to make cuts in police, fire and teachers.
Fire: this one is tricky, but not impossible. What I would do is ask myself what I really need to put out a fire?
- essential equipment and trained personnel.
- a place to store the equipment
- housing for the personnel
Now what don’t I need?
- a fancy fire house… just a roof over someone’s head might do.
- fleet vehicles for staff that don’t actually fight the fires( out in the country volunteer fire fighter’s use their own vehicles… perhaps the “Commish” could drive his own.)
- a Dalmation… all kidding aside, any equipment that is not related to fighting fires… if you want to personally provide it, by all means.
- Sensitivity training or any other needless seminars.
Teachers: This I know is a sacred cow issue. And, no sacrifice is too small for the “children”. As a result, we end up with a lot of non essential personnel:
Health Teacher. Would it be asking too much to have the school nurse take over the teaching of health? It could be done by having a series of all school assemblies through out the year.
PE Teachers. Do we really need a separate teacher to supervise “kickball’? Private schools get by with having the history teacher take on that role.
How about just a Principal and a Dean? What does a Vice Principal do that a receptionist can’t?
Shop Teachers. Why do we want to encourage kids to work in a factory? If some kids are interested in that, perhaps they could show some intiative and get a summer job at a garage, or some other industrial arts business.(bold words I know)
Home Economics Teachers. Again private schools get by with farming those duties out to other teachers.
- And lastly, Janitors. Here is another idea, maybe we could have Janitor/Shop Teachers.
Our primary focus for school should be to teach kids the three R’s, history and science.
Police: This is one of my faves. Isn’t it funny that the same people who worry about cutting police are ok with cutting Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines and all the equipment that goes with those jobs? Politicians cut defense spending all the time. Very few people see this as a problem. So much so that I have seen bumper stickers that state that it would be nice if we had to have a bake sale to buy a bomber. Since we are ok with cuts in our Military, let’s examine how we could make cuts in our Law Enforcement.
Personnel: Seriously how many police officers does it really take to execute a successful seat belt check point? We always ask where a cop is when we need them. Well there are plenty… but they are too busy checking to see if you are wearing your seatbelt.
Equipment:
- Red light Cameras: since when is it necessary to invest in hi tech equipment that violates our constitional rights? And just how much money do these tickets generate?
- Vehicles: do they really need to drive a Charger? Or, would something comparable to a Crown Victoria do?
- Weapons: why spend money on tasers, bean bag guns and other things non lethal that end up causing the perp to sue the police officer in the end? And why do they need to be armed to the teeth when they can’t even shoot the bad guys when they have to?
- Equipment: how necessary is a Ninja Mask?(if that’s how you want to dress, instead of guns, use throwing stars and nunchukas) It used to be Swat got by with wearing jumpsuits and blue ball caps. So, why do we need them to look like special forces?
Again, I want cops, teachers, and fire. But, my point is is that even in those areas there are some unnecessary expenses that could be cut if we really had to.
Remember, any politician, that tells you to give them more of your hard earned money to prevent the cutting of necessary services like police, teachers and fire, should not get one red cent. Instead, they should be fired.

Cut everything across the board except emergency services...
rbdwiggins Sunday, July 26th at 9:21AM EDT (link)including teachers. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having 30-35 students per teacher and restricting the K-12 curriculum to Math, Science, English and History.
Education in America actually achieved better results, higher proficiency and at less cost per student under that scenario.
Of course, that was before Public Law 96-88.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
I'm going to make the assumption..
wordsarepower Sunday, July 26th at 11:12AM EDT (link)that you are not a teacher, don’t know any teachers, and know nothing about teaching, because I had some of the same views before I was a teacher.
rbdwiggins:”There is absolutely nothing wrong with having 30-35 students per teacher.” I’d love to have only 30-35 students! This year I will have 30-35 students per class period, 6 periods a day. If I learned my math correctly, that gives me 180-210 students EVERY DAY, in an over crowded classroom with too few supplies.
And, whitman4562001, I teach English which requires hours upon hours of grading. If I was told that I had to teach PE too, I’d quit. And, by the way, PE teachers do more than monitor kickball.
One more thing, private schools are generally much smaller than public schools. The high school where I currently teach has over 2,000 students. The charter school I came from had 110. It was no problem for me to include public speaking and drama to my curriculum in that case.
Regarding classes like shop and home economics. Not every student will attend college and they need to learn a trade so that they can go to work and make a living when they graduate. I don’t know of too many construction businesses, for instance, that will hire a 14-year-old to build houses. In my county we actually have a vo-tech high school that offers many vocational and technical classes to the students, in addition to the core subjects.
My school has one principal and four assistant principals. The principal is buried in paperwork up to her ears and the assistant principals spend a great portion of their day dealing with student discipline issues in addition to paperwork up to their ears. Again, before I was a teacher I thought they made too much money. Now I know that they really earn their dollars.
There is a reason that teachers, police officers, and firefighters are called public SERVANTS. It’s because a lot of what we do every day is off the clock.
Jetson's conjecture on class size...
6eorge Jetson Sunday, July 26th at 1:24PM EDT (link)The success of the students is a function of class size, the self-motivation of students, student self-discipline, and the percentage of the teacher’s time devoted to teaching.
In Asian countries, where self-motivation (to learn) and self-discipline (to not disrupt) is high, 30-35 kids might be possible, as the kids are staying more focused, which lessens the distraction load for the teacher.
Also, in college where a critical mass of the kids are paying for it, motivation tends to take care of itself. And where it doesn’t, the kids drop out, and it’s just part of life. Opportunity missed. Too bad.
Education costs
paint_it_red Sunday, July 26th at 12:51PM EDT (link)I’m going to disagree on this one in part. I don’t think class size of 30-35 generates the needed individual attention children need for an optimized investment in the education of future generations.
Also, I don’t think it saves money. Less teachers means overcrowding, and overcrowding means more kids sliping through the cracks and less discipline, which in turn results in more gang activity, higher crime, graffiti and drugs in schools, etc. These are the “hidden costs”, but predictable costs nonetheless, when utilizing such a strategy towards cost savings.
Take two case studies. First, look at D.C. Nowhere in the country is more money spent per capita on students and with a worse return on performance. Then, look 5 miles to the south in Northern Virginia, where you not only have one of the best educational systems in the country, but in the world, and with less money being spent per student. D.C. has tried the approach of cutting teachers and Northern Virginia school systems have not. In fact, discretionary spending in Virginina’s budget has amounted to less than 0.25% of the state budget.
The fact that teachers put in incredible hours for which they are not paid to grade assignments and generate lesson plans, and the personal and emotional investment they make in children’s lives is an invaluable asset to our society.
Our country’s future dominance is directly correlated with our educational attainment.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
You are exactly right
wordsarepower Sunday, July 26th at 1:04PM EDT (link)about how the number of students per classroom directly effects student success. It’s too many. With that many kids in a class, no matter what age, it’s more difficult to keep order. It’s also harder to gauge whether or not they are “getting it” during instruction. There isn’t time for much reciprocal teaching (questioning and answering for the short explanation), which is one of the most effective teaching methods out there.
Not only that, but kids do fall through the cracks simply because teachers’ numbers are so high. One of the first things I tell my kids every year is that they must be pro-active and take responsibility for their own education. In other words, they must come to me and let me know if they don’t understand something. I just don’t have the time to touch base with each student individually.
You’re right about the emotional investment too. I have cried over students. Teachers end up being not only instructors, but also counselors and a willing ear when students need to vent. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…teaching isn’t for weaklings.
wordsarepower!!
whitman4562001 Monday, July 27th at 5:27AM EDT (link)I am not sure what your politics are but I will assume you are a conservative. With that said, let me explain. Again, I will reiterate what I said in the beginning of this diary: I don’t like politicians using the issue of police, fire and teachers as a way of guilting the taxpayer into giving them more money to mismanage. So, what I did in the last part of this diary was provide some what if scenarios… what if we really had to cut Police…or Fire… or Teachers… nothing that I would like to see happen. But as unpleasant as it might be, it could be done.And I believe we would all survive. Furthermore, I think solutions apart from government would emerge to compensate for the short comings of these cuts. The citizen, when left to his or her own devices, is capable of great things. I admit I got carried away with the humor( or lack of it) But, that is how I would call a Liberal’s bluff if they laid that line on me.