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	<title>Comments on: How to Astroturf an Online Cause: the Story of &#8220;I Stand with Bill Powers&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: click here</title>
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		<title>By: cbartlett</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 01:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a lifelong Texan (and an Aggie!) and I had no idea this was going on - greatly appreciate the excellent research and writing!

We paid for all 3 of our kids college educations finishing in 2005, 2006 and 2008 without any loans - barely under the escalating wire.   If the Dems do the bailout thing on the student loans, my kids will be furious.  They all had to work while they were in school to help support themselves while they watched their friends party day and night with loan funds in the bank!  (I think I recognize a few of the names in those Facebook lists above - I&#039;m going to contact my kids and tell them to check and see if they&#039;ve been Facejacked.)

One additional thought on the increased tuition:  while I know a significant portion of the funds is going to top heavy administration,  there is a HUGE chunk going to what I call &quot;ammenities&quot;.  I saw this at A&amp;M when two of mine were going there - very nice Rec Center, football stadium, swimming pools, very large dorm rooms &amp; parking garages. WAY more than we had 40 years ago.   I think some of this at A&amp;M is covered by very generous alumni donations, but not all.  We have lived in Nacogdoches for over 20 years and I have watched Stephen F Austin State University do the same thing - new Rec Center, new tennis center, expanded/rennovated Student Center, five new, huge dorms in the last 6 years, 3 parking garages, etc.  Full disclosure - my husband&#039;s civil engineering firm received lots of $$ from working on almost all of those projects. But the whole thing still pains me.

The Powers-That-Be say that they &quot;have&quot; to do these kind of projects in order to compete with other schools to get students. It makes me sad on several levels because:  (1) at least some of this capital spending is taxpayer money because these are state universities (2) much of it is tuition $$ that is either, again, taxpayer money because the students come from poor or middle class families that qualify for grants,  or is taxpayer subsidized because of the low-interest loans.  At least some of it is coming out of parents&#039; pockets because they have worked hard to earn and save it  (3)  this huge escalation in the cost of a college-education puts it out of reach of many kids who are not willing to start out life with that kind of debt (my husband and I refused to do the debt thing - we were able to work our way through college in the 70&#039;s which is next to impossible now)   (4)  WHERE DOES IT END?  We build lots more nice stuff, give these kids steak to eat, more tennis courts and swimming pools. What&#039;s next? Do they all get Mercedes to drive at one school and Fords at another?  We seem to have forgotten that the end goal here is AN EDUCATION - duh!  AND perhaps a JOB?  withOUT 10 years worth of debt so high that you&#039;ll never buy a house or a new car or get ahead?

What no one ever talks about in this picture is how completely reasonable taking classes at a local 2-yr college is. There are no dorms, very small library, no athletic teams or stadiums, no Rec Center - and the tuition is one-tenth what it is at SFA!   My youngest chose this route and I daresay that his classes were much more practical and he actually had more hands-on learning than his sisters did at A&amp;M and SFA.  It CAN be done - it COULD be done at a 4-year school if someone only wanted to.  As long as the Bill Powers type people are in charge, the higher education system will look just like our country does - in debt up to our eyeballs because of entitlements.

I admire Perry for standing up to this - I hope he sees the enevitable end to this train and continues to fight for what is right.  Just one more example of the liberal MSM taking sides against Perry and the conservative approach.  Once again, Texas is the guinea pig.  It&#039;s tough to always have to be the adult in the room.

Thanks again for your excellent post - it&#039;s great that RedState provides such an excellent education!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a lifelong Texan (and an Aggie!) and I had no idea this was going on &#8211; greatly appreciate the excellent research and writing!</p>
<p>We paid for all 3 of our kids college educations finishing in 2005, 2006 and 2008 without any loans &#8211; barely under the escalating wire.   If the Dems do the bailout thing on the student loans, my kids will be furious.  They all had to work while they were in school to help support themselves while they watched their friends party day and night with loan funds in the bank!  (I think I recognize a few of the names in those Facebook lists above &#8211; I&#8217;m going to contact my kids and tell them to check and see if they&#8217;ve been Facejacked.)</p>
<p>One additional thought on the increased tuition:  while I know a significant portion of the funds is going to top heavy administration,  there is a HUGE chunk going to what I call &#8220;ammenities&#8221;.  I saw this at A&amp;M when two of mine were going there &#8211; very nice Rec Center, football stadium, swimming pools, very large dorm rooms &amp; parking garages. WAY more than we had 40 years ago.   I think some of this at A&amp;M is covered by very generous alumni donations, but not all.  We have lived in Nacogdoches for over 20 years and I have watched Stephen F Austin State University do the same thing &#8211; new Rec Center, new tennis center, expanded/rennovated Student Center, five new, huge dorms in the last 6 years, 3 parking garages, etc.  Full disclosure &#8211; my husband&#8217;s civil engineering firm received lots of $$ from working on almost all of those projects. But the whole thing still pains me.</p>
<p>The Powers-That-Be say that they &#8220;have&#8221; to do these kind of projects in order to compete with other schools to get students. It makes me sad on several levels because:  (1) at least some of this capital spending is taxpayer money because these are state universities (2) much of it is tuition $$ that is either, again, taxpayer money because the students come from poor or middle class families that qualify for grants,  or is taxpayer subsidized because of the low-interest loans.  At least some of it is coming out of parents&#8217; pockets because they have worked hard to earn and save it  (3)  this huge escalation in the cost of a college-education puts it out of reach of many kids who are not willing to start out life with that kind of debt (my husband and I refused to do the debt thing &#8211; we were able to work our way through college in the 70&#8242;s which is next to impossible now)   (4)  WHERE DOES IT END?  We build lots more nice stuff, give these kids steak to eat, more tennis courts and swimming pools. What&#8217;s next? Do they all get Mercedes to drive at one school and Fords at another?  We seem to have forgotten that the end goal here is AN EDUCATION &#8211; duh!  AND perhaps a JOB?  withOUT 10 years worth of debt so high that you&#8217;ll never buy a house or a new car or get ahead?</p>
<p>What no one ever talks about in this picture is how completely reasonable taking classes at a local 2-yr college is. There are no dorms, very small library, no athletic teams or stadiums, no Rec Center &#8211; and the tuition is one-tenth what it is at SFA!   My youngest chose this route and I daresay that his classes were much more practical and he actually had more hands-on learning than his sisters did at A&amp;M and SFA.  It CAN be done &#8211; it COULD be done at a 4-year school if someone only wanted to.  As long as the Bill Powers type people are in charge, the higher education system will look just like our country does &#8211; in debt up to our eyeballs because of entitlements.</p>
<p>I admire Perry for standing up to this &#8211; I hope he sees the enevitable end to this train and continues to fight for what is right.  Just one more example of the liberal MSM taking sides against Perry and the conservative approach.  Once again, Texas is the guinea pig.  It&#8217;s tough to always have to be the adult in the room.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your excellent post &#8211; it&#8217;s great that RedState provides such an excellent education!</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/willisms/2012/05/16/how-to-astroturf-an-online-cause-the-story-of-i-stand-with-bill-powers/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/subsidized-college-loans-are-another-bipartisan-boondoogle/2012/05/16/gIQA8sefUU_story.html?wprss=rss_george-will&quot;&gt;the link&lt;/a&gt; I should have included.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/subsidized-college-loans-are-another-bipartisan-boondoogle/2012/05/16/gIQA8sefUU_story.html?wprss=rss_george-will">the link</a> I should have included.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/willisms/2012/05/16/how-to-astroturf-an-online-cause-the-story-of-i-stand-with-bill-powers/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish people were that logical. The left frames this as &quot;Republicans want to jack up your student loan rates&quot; and they win the issue in the public square.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people were that logical. The left frames this as &#8220;Republicans want to jack up your student loan rates&#8221; and they win the issue in the public square.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/willisms/2012/05/16/how-to-astroturf-an-online-cause-the-story-of-i-stand-with-bill-powers/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The early driver in that case was employer-provided medical &quot;insurance.&quot;  Medicare added to the problem because of its structure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The early driver in that case was employer-provided medical &#8220;insurance.&#8221;  Medicare added to the problem because of its structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/willisms/2012/05/16/how-to-astroturf-an-online-cause-the-story-of-i-stand-with-bill-powers/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I meant to also add that the semi-huge flap about student loan rates that&#039;s going on now is another astroturf issue.  Yesterday&#039;s WaPo column by George Will touches on it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The low 6.8 percent rate ? private loans for students cost about 12 percent ? was itself the result of a federal subsidy.&lt;/i&gt; And students have no collateral that can be repossessed in case they default, which 23 percent of those receiving the loans in question do. The maximum loan for third- and fourth-year students is $5,500 a year. &lt;b&gt;The payment difference between 3.4 percent and 6.8 percent is less than $10 a month, so the ?problem? involves less than 30 cents a day.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My emphasis added.  Which is more important to the people paying for the education--an already below-market rate being held extra low, or an already high price being increased from 5 to 25 percent every year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to also add that the semi-huge flap about student loan rates that&#8217;s going on now is another astroturf issue.  Yesterday&#8217;s WaPo column by George Will touches on it:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The low 6.8 percent rate ? private loans for students cost about 12 percent ? was itself the result of a federal subsidy.</i> And students have no collateral that can be repossessed in case they default, which 23 percent of those receiving the loans in question do. The maximum loan for third- and fourth-year students is $5,500 a year. <b>The payment difference between 3.4 percent and 6.8 percent is less than $10 a month, so the ?problem? involves less than 30 cents a day.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>My emphasis added.  Which is more important to the people paying for the education&#8211;an already below-market rate being held extra low, or an already high price being increased from 5 to 25 percent every year?</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know some of my classes were pretty worthless. In one, on political philosophy, we watched Fight Club early in the semester and talked about Fight Club (ironically) the rest of the semester. Then talked about how we were talking about Fight Club. Such a horrible waste of time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know some of my classes were pretty worthless. In one, on political philosophy, we watched Fight Club early in the semester and talked about Fight Club (ironically) the rest of the semester. Then talked about how we were talking about Fight Club. Such a horrible waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed. Accountability is almost always fought tooth and nail by the higher ed establishment. Results aren&#039;t important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Accountability is almost always fought tooth and nail by the higher ed establishment. Results aren&#8217;t important.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/willisms/2012/05/16/how-to-astroturf-an-online-cause-the-story-of-i-stand-with-bill-powers/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more I look at the data behind student loan debt, the clearer it gets that all of that debt is weighing down the economy, hindering the purchasing of homes among young people, etc. And the bubble will pop someday. And Democrats are already introducing bills to &quot;forgive&quot; student loan debt. Federal employees can already get all or most of their student loan debt forgiven or paid off.

As someone who took out some student loans and paid them all off, that bailout mentality infuriates me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I look at the data behind student loan debt, the clearer it gets that all of that debt is weighing down the economy, hindering the purchasing of homes among young people, etc. And the bubble will pop someday. And Democrats are already introducing bills to &#8220;forgive&#8221; student loan debt. Federal employees can already get all or most of their student loan debt forgiven or paid off.</p>
<p>As someone who took out some student loans and paid them all off, that bailout mentality infuriates me.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been blogging for several years over at www.WILLisms.com (and I tend to focus on thoroughly researched facts and figures), but I&#039;ve never been a pro journalist. Thanks for the props.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been blogging for several years over at www.WILLisms.com (and I tend to focus on thoroughly researched facts and figures), but I&#8217;ve never been a pro journalist. Thanks for the props.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, student loans can be scary. The easier student loans became to get, the higher tuition and fees got, which then created more demand for student loans, which allows tuition and fees to increase further... and the cycle continues to inflate the cost of higher ed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, student loans can be scary. The easier student loans became to get, the higher tuition and fees got, which then created more demand for student loans, which allows tuition and fees to increase further&#8230; and the cycle continues to inflate the cost of higher ed.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The administrative level at most schools-- all of those bureaucrats-- keeps adding layers and layers and bumping the pay and benefits of them all. Actual teaching is secondary at most schools, and research budgets are often filled with nonsense rather than the actual scientific, productive types of research activities the public imagines are happening on campus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The administrative level at most schools&#8211; all of those bureaucrats&#8211; keeps adding layers and layers and bumping the pay and benefits of them all. Actual teaching is secondary at most schools, and research budgets are often filled with nonsense rather than the actual scientific, productive types of research activities the public imagines are happening on campus.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Appreciate the props.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate the props.</p>
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		<title>By: WILLisms</title>
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		<dc:creator>WILLisms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, the administrative bloat is something that ought to make the actual teaching faculty stand up and speak out, but campus politics don&#039;t allow for freedom of expression or diversity of thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the administrative bloat is something that ought to make the actual teaching faculty stand up and speak out, but campus politics don&#8217;t allow for freedom of expression or diversity of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: justperhaps45</title>
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		<dc:creator>justperhaps45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have come to suspect that educators teach what they wish because they always have for ever increasing rewards. They don?t seem to have a clue about appropriateness to the society?s or student?s needs nor a practical application of the knowledge. And cost effective? They think cost is price and don?t understand time nor opportunity cost. They are profitably, for them, influencing impressionable students and gullible parents to spend non-retrievable moments of life and money on the hope of a successful future. A financial adviser would go to jail. Educators get a raise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come to suspect that educators teach what they wish because they always have for ever increasing rewards. They don?t seem to have a clue about appropriateness to the society?s or student?s needs nor a practical application of the knowledge. And cost effective? They think cost is price and don?t understand time nor opportunity cost. They are profitably, for them, influencing impressionable students and gullible parents to spend non-retrievable moments of life and money on the hope of a successful future. A financial adviser would go to jail. Educators get a raise.</p>
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		<title>By: justperhaps45</title>
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		<dc:creator>justperhaps45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the education advised and received does not lead to gainful employment in field. Just maybe the higher edu. experts need to lose compensation. Recent reports indicate a very high disconnect between intent and results. Failure to deliver durable, timely, appropriate cost effective product kills a commercial business if it doesn?t fix its? problems. Why should being over paid exempt one from the natural laws? Being accountable is required for any freedom to endure, that includes academic freedom. And it certainly includes the use of my money. I guess if you are far enough up the ivory tower you forget that the foundation is still in the dirt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the education advised and received does not lead to gainful employment in field. Just maybe the higher edu. experts need to lose compensation. Recent reports indicate a very high disconnect between intent and results. Failure to deliver durable, timely, appropriate cost effective product kills a commercial business if it doesn?t fix its? problems. Why should being over paid exempt one from the natural laws? Being accountable is required for any freedom to endure, that includes academic freedom. And it certainly includes the use of my money. I guess if you are far enough up the ivory tower you forget that the foundation is still in the dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: ihateliberals</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihateliberals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as student loans are so readily available the tuition rates wil continue to rise.  this is also why the students will graduate with loans valued at more than my mortgage.  I have been accused of being out of touch with this but the evidence supports what I am saying.  The more students there are and the more that apply for loans and get them the higher to rates go.  Now what is the solution?  That&#039;s hard to say because people are going to go to college and they need money to do that.  Maybe part of the solution is for students to not be so intent on going to a certain high tuition college. Get tht degree from a good low cost college.  A BS or BA or MA from any school is just as good in the long run as nay other school.  I know I&#039;ve been there. yes Harvard and MIT etc etc will tell you differently but hte truth is that the average person doesn&#039;t matter where that degree comes from. Go to school where you can afford it.  Work to keep te need for the loans down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as student loans are so readily available the tuition rates wil continue to rise.  this is also why the students will graduate with loans valued at more than my mortgage.  I have been accused of being out of touch with this but the evidence supports what I am saying.  The more students there are and the more that apply for loans and get them the higher to rates go.  Now what is the solution?  That&#8217;s hard to say because people are going to go to college and they need money to do that.  Maybe part of the solution is for students to not be so intent on going to a certain high tuition college. Get tht degree from a good low cost college.  A BS or BA or MA from any school is just as good in the long run as nay other school.  I know I&#8217;ve been there. yes Harvard and MIT etc etc will tell you differently but hte truth is that the average person doesn&#8217;t matter where that degree comes from. Go to school where you can afford it.  Work to keep te need for the loans down.</p>
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		<title>By: Ausonius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ausonius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 13:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why the MSM is dying: where is their reporting on such things?

And using PROOF rather than assertions or half-truths or generalizations to support the reporting!  Imagine that!  :)

Somebody famous argues right now like this:

&quot;Some people say...&quot;  &quot;There are those out there claimin&#039; ...&quot;   &quot;THEY want to take away your...&quot;  &quot;We got some folks out there sayin&#039; ...&quot;

&lt;strong&gt;Will&lt;/strong&gt;: are you a professional journalist?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why the MSM is dying: where is their reporting on such things?</p>
<p>And using PROOF rather than assertions or half-truths or generalizations to support the reporting!  Imagine that!  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/willisms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Somebody famous argues right now like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people say&#8230;&#8221;  &#8220;There are those out there claimin&#8217; &#8230;&#8221;   &#8220;THEY want to take away your&#8230;&#8221;  &#8220;We got some folks out there sayin&#8217; &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Will</strong>: are you a professional journalist?</p>
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		<title>By: montani</title>
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		<dc:creator>montani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 11:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s too much to read in one sitting before I leave for work which is wonderful.  I&#039;ll finish it tonight.

My oldest daughter has bee contemplating getting a loan for graduate school after graduating debt free with less than wonderful career options.  I put a lot of research into student loans and am appalled at how the business model of higher education works.  It is a scam like no other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too much to read in one sitting before I leave for work which is wonderful.  I&#8217;ll finish it tonight.</p>
<p>My oldest daughter has bee contemplating getting a loan for graduate school after graduating debt free with less than wonderful career options.  I put a lot of research into student loans and am appalled at how the business model of higher education works.  It is a scam like no other.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 05:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[are covered in this column--exploding college tuition costs and exploding college payrolls, particularly for administration.  University pay has been outrageous since at least the eighties.  The economy may go up or down, but those guys&#039; salaries just go up, year after year.

It isn&#039;t just that their individual pay climbs, but the number of people employed seems never to go down, and even the employees per student number is going up.

Arizona has been in a bad recession, high school populations are trending down, yet the local university is in a building boom.  One must wonder Why?

And UT is raising prices to build a Med School?  Unless Obamacare is repealed, they are going to have empty classrooms in the not-too-distant-future.

Quality education?  If Matt Portillo is an example, and if his comment is representative....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are covered in this column&#8211;exploding college tuition costs and exploding college payrolls, particularly for administration.  University pay has been outrageous since at least the eighties.  The economy may go up or down, but those guys&#8217; salaries just go up, year after year.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just that their individual pay climbs, but the number of people employed seems never to go down, and even the employees per student number is going up.</p>
<p>Arizona has been in a bad recession, high school populations are trending down, yet the local university is in a building boom.  One must wonder Why?</p>
<p>And UT is raising prices to build a Med School?  Unless Obamacare is repealed, they are going to have empty classrooms in the not-too-distant-future.</p>
<p>Quality education?  If Matt Portillo is an example, and if his comment is representative&#8230;.</p>
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