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Mitt Romney, Damon Corp, Medicare Fraud,& Blood Money

By: WillWong (Diary)  |  January 28th, 2012 at 12:41 PM  | 

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Winning our Future and Newt Gingrich were excoriated for their perceived attack on Capitalism in their previous film When Mitt Romney Came to Town. In my opinion, it was fair game to examine Mitt’s record of job creation since that was one of his campaign pillars. Many did not agree and Newt took a beating from no less an authority than Rush Limbaugh and Rudy Giuliani amongst others.  Granted that film wasn’t the best use of Newt’s and Winning Our Future’s War Chest.

This latest video is whole new ball game. It is about the largest federal medicare fraud in it’s time and most of those frauds occurred under the management of Mitt Romney. In one of the debate, Romney stated explicitly that he had never done any business with the government (another lie). Just as the Feds were completing the investigation on Damon Capital, Mitt Romney sold Damon Capital to Corning (questionable timing!). Initially Romney claimed to have no knowledge of the medicare fraud which happened under his watch. Then he changed his tune that he reported the fraud to the authorities (so which is which Mitt?). The sale of Damon Capital netted Bain Capital $12M of which Mitt Romney netted $437,000 ( not much!!!!). So if Newt was asked by Mitt to return the $1.6M earned from Freddie Mac over 6 years, shouldn’t Mitt return that $437,000 of blood money earned in a single sale transaction plus all the fraudulent billing to Medicare under his watch?

It is unlikely that supporters of Romney will be able to spin this as another attack on Capitalism (I have no doubt they will try). This simply reinforces the prevalent opinion that Mitt plays to a different set of rules from the rest of us and will be a perfect 1% foil for Mr Obama’s 99% (Personally I detest Obama’s class warfare but it is what it is and are we going to walk right into his trap by nominating Romeny?)

So here is the full length video. You decide!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVUQuJDEs04

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  • WillWong

    Here is the background info:-

    The Background

    According to a cited Forbes report, in 1989, Bain Capital purchased controlling interest in Damon Corp., a medical testing company located in Needham, Massachusetts.

    ?During the time that Bain held its ownership of the company, Mitt Romney personally sat on the board of directors,? notes Forbes. ?And during that same period, Damon Corp. was busy submitting fraudulent reimbursement claims to Medicare to the tune of millions of dollars charged for unnecessary blood tests.?

    According to federal prosecutors, Damon was misleading physicians into ordering unnecessary blood tests, assuring the doctors that the testing would be covered by Medicare.

    The criminal Information filed at the time by the U. S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts charged that Damon bundled three different tests with certain blood panels, causing doctors to order tests that were not medically necessary for the treatment and diagnosis of Medicare beneficiaries. After physicians had ordered the medically unnecessary tests, Damon then billed Medicare for the bundled tests, knowing that the tests were in fact not necessary.

    Medicare, the largest government payer for laboratory services, reimburses laboratories for clinical laboratory testing services only if those services are medically necessary for the diagnosis and treatment of illness or injury to Medicare beneficiaries.

    The information further states that in 1988 and in 1989, Medicare announced across- the-board fee reductions to clinical laboratories like Damon for all laboratory services, as a part of an effort to control the growth of reimbursement for blood testing for Medicare beneficiaries.

    The criminal Information charged that Damon, in direct response to Medicare’s attempt to control its costs, bundled the unnecessary tests with other tests for the purpose of offsetting the Medicare rate reduction. The bundled tests included serum ferritin tests (a test that measures iron storage) and serum iron tests, which Damon bundled with a basic blood chemistry panel, and tests for apolipoproteins (a test that measures blood lipid proteins), which Damon bundled with a coronary risk profile.

    The ferritin and serum iron charges involve a series of laboratory tests conducted on automated laboratory machines capable of performing a “panel” or “battery” of chemistry tests on a single specimen of blood.

    Medicare pays a flat fee for chemistry tests performed simultaneously on an automated machine, requiring only that the ordering physician believe that at least one of the tests was medically necessary for the patient.

    This panel of tests, which Damon called a “LabScan,” was ordered by physicians in high volume for a variety of diagnostic purposes. By bundling, Damon received both the flat fee and the extra test charge as if doctors had separately ordered those tests.

    Prior to the bundling, detailed the prosecutors, doctors had ordered these extra tests less than ten percent of the time that they ordered a LabScan test. After bundling the tests in 1988, that percentage increased to in excess of 90 percent.

    As charged in the criminal Information, in order to insure that doctors did not complain about receiving the unnecessary iron and ferritin tests, ?Damon gave those tests for free to physicians, made it difficult for doctors to order the LabScan without those tests, and did not disclose to the physicians that Damon was going to bill Medicare approximately $17 for each unnecessary test.?

    The number of ferritin and serum iron tests billed by Damon to Medicare on an annual basis skyrocketed, explained prosecutors in the criminal pleadings, and Damon received millions more from government programs for the addition of these medically unnecessary tests.

    According to the Forbes summary, by the time Damon Corp. pleaded guilty to defrauding the United States Government, Bain had conveniently and in the nick of time sold the company to Corning, Inc.

    What Did Romney Know and When?

    According to Forbes, when Mitt Romney was hammered with the scandal during his campaign to become the Governor of Massachusetts, he acknowledged that he did have some awareness of the shady dealings going on at Damon.

    According to The Deseret News, when his Democratic opponent for the governorship, Shannon O?Brien, accused him of lax oversight at Damon and failing to report the fraud, Romney defended that he had helped uncover the illegal activity at Damon, asking the board?s lawyers to investigate. As a result, he said, the board took corrective action before selling the company in 1993 to Corning Inc.

    However, according to the court records, the Damon scheme continued throughout Bain?s ownership, and prosecutors credited Corning, not Romney, with taking corrective action.

    According to a Boston Globe report, then Republican gubernatorial candidate Mitt Romney, while insisting that he and fellow board members at Damon Corp. uncovered what was later determined to be a criminal scheme to defraud Medicare in 1993, acknowledged that the directors did not turn over their findings to federal authorities then investigating the medical testing industry.

    While the medical testing company went bankrupt, with thousands losing their jobs, Bain Capital captured a $12 million profit? over $450,000 of that money going to Romney personally.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/RomneyWasManagerandBoardMemberofCorpGuiltyofMedicareFraud/2012/01/27/id/425817

  • gracie

    Especially in Florida??
    Great peice; thanks!

  • texastaxpayer

    This company is quickly becoming the BAIN of Romney’s campaign…
    See the details @ WWW.mittsbloodmoney.com

  • WillWong

    I found this on Face Book this morning. Carl Cameron mentioned this on Fox News!

  • avagreen

    Can’t remember who…..carolynr? lizzie?

    At any rate, it’s good to keep it in the forefront. I was going to bookmark the last time it was posted. Didn’t.

    Will do now.

  • gracie

    Sent it out but I live in a small universe.
    Still wish Newt was sending it out.

  • gracie

    Sent it out but I live in a small universe.
    Still wish Newt was sending it out.

  • romansdaughter

  • antisesquipedalion

    what an idiotic way to run a show !!!!! on the other hand, your explanation is concise and very alarming. is Newt using this on the campaign trail?
    I decided some time ago that I will NEVER vote for romney

  • Kyle-MI

    NT

  • romansdaughter

    Man, do we have a sorry bunch of candidates..but I still hope Newt wins in Florida. Mitt is such a liar and I am not seeing lots of difference between him and Obummer. The guy will do anything to be President and has been paying big bucks to do that.

  • tyman

    Can someone explain why people think he is so electable?

    His conduct is making it so hard for people to want to support him.

    If this info about Bain/Damon isn’t viral now, it will be after he gets the nomination. That and so much more.

    Whatever amount of money he thinks he can use to buy the presidency, Obama has that and much, much more.

    I’ve said before that all this time people think Fox has been in the tank for Romney. I believe that Fox really wants Obama again. Look at their ratings the last 4 years. Some industries thrive when the Dems are in power.

    I just can’t believe that in a year when we should have a true conservative to tear Obama apart, Republicans are on the verge of nominating the least polar opposite of Obama.

    Wake up, stupid!

  • gracie

    They care more about the status quo than this country! Example…too many ppl in DC will lose their jobs if we have a real reformer. Ppl won’t get to send pork home keeping their jobs or do insider trading! Who knew that before Perry? Don’t even mention term limits.

    The way I figure it, if Romney gets elected they can live with it but they REALLY think they can beat him! As far as Fox wantoing Obama I would not be urprised. How do you explain Wallstreeters being for Dems??

    Yes Romney has donated and bought the support of Nikki Haley and yes! I am gonna say it…he donated to Marco Rubio too. Both of them, bigtime. I am at the point where it’s not going to be just hard to vote for him, I don’t know if I can do it! (Bill S you don’t have to get me yet)

    It’s just disgusting that the Presidency can be actually bought. I don’t know how Newt will even go on. And Newt was the one who was going to cause a brokered convention, not Romney, so we don’t even have that to hope for.

    I jusrt ish Newt would put this video in an ad…TODAY!

  • Scope

    with respect to Romney’s medicare fraud, it will probably not hurt him. I just heard that 40% of the Republican voters in Fla. are senior citizens, and they are the most dependable voting block. Way back when Perry called SS a ponzi scheme, Romney went on the attack against him for that. He sent out the lying mailers to the Fla. voters saying that Perry wanted to take their SS away. I’m sure they believed that he would take their Medicare away also.

    Through a family member, in the past, I spent some time in Fla. and it was mostly with elderly/retired people. I know for a fact that some Doctors were doing some procedures etc. that would not have qualified for Medicare reimbursement, so were using different diagnosis codes in order to be reimbursed by Medicare, which the patients were only to willing to go along with. I’m sure that happens everywhere, but Fla. has such a large population of seniors that it may be more prevalent their than in other states.

    I’ve moved beyond the whole Perry candidacy, but I haven’t moved beyond the fact that good candidates can be so completely and truly trashed and taken down, not only by a complicit and willing media, to eliminate those they don’t like or support (mainly Fox, because you expect it coming from the lefties), but by a candidate (Romney) that has been willing to do anything and everything he can to buy, steal, lie and cheat his way into the WH. There is one thing to having “fire in the belly,” and then there is absolute desperation, which Romney has more than adequately displayed. It feels as though Romney has organized his own right wing ACORN, not by providing cigarettes or $10 to buy a vote as the liberals do, but by buying the media, supporting 2010 candidates that he could call his chits in from, and of course his massive support from the Wallstreeters, mainly Goldman Sachs, which Obama will deliver him his head, heart and lungs on a silver platter because of. Yes, I do believe that OWS was started in order to hurt Romney in the general.

    No doubt Angelo Codivilla would consider Mitt Romney one of the Country Club Republicans, one that cannot, and does not relate in any way to the masses in fly over country, so to speak. We out here, that actually sit at kitchen tables, rather than at cherry dinning room tables, lit by crystal chandeliers, and drinking out of Baccarat crystal wine glasses, don’t relate to his values, his tactics, his policies of mandates, and his willingness to get down to leftist gutter, scorched earth methods, in order to buy what he obviously believes is his right, only because he wants it, and is willing to pay for it.

    I am not in any way thrilled with Gingrich, but I hope and pray he wins Fla., and other states beyond that. If Romney succeeds, I seriously doubt there will ever be many, or maybe any, conservative candidates that will be willing to even throw their hats in the ring in future elections. The hill to climb for any real conservatives is much much steeper, and after this election cycle, with a Romney win, it will be next to impossible, because the Republican elite moderates will have won, again. Romney is one of the most slipperiest of slopes the Republicans have put us on in my memory.

    With a president Romney, how much will Fox be able to do for him, when they have loaded up every single one of their shows with the most liberal of liberals? Shoot, I switched back to Fox today at one point, because I can’t take the CNN liberal biddies, such as Ashley Banfield, screaming that she is “beefed” because Pizza and FF are considered vegetables, and are still on school lunch menu’s, only to find that half the Fox guests agreed with the food police, and their mandates, and billions in additional taxpayer costs to feed the kids “green” foods. To them their is no such thing as a good parent.

  • romansdaughter

    I don’t like any of the 4 candidates but right now Mitt has completely turned me off, with his lying and dirty, sleazy politics and corruption (which is what I call paying off people to endorse you etc, etc) and a lot of politicians are corrupt in that sense..look at Nikki Haley. I am like you, I almost don’t see any difference between Obama and Mitt right now…both are liars. I despise Mittens for what he did to Perry and now to Newt. With him anything to get into the White House.

  • Dave_A

    First, there are the people who accept his premise that as a former financier, he is best qualified to fix the economy.

    This is the 20-something-% he’s had with him all along…

    Second, there are the people who are less Romney supporters than ‘none of the other candidates’ types – folks repulsed by Newt’s personal life & both Newt’s & Santorum’s flagrant populisim, and who could care less who the GOP nominates so long as that person can actually beat Obama (Newt & Santorum can’t do this)….

    It’s less about ‘keeping jobs in DC’ than it is about not wanting to go into the General with a bring-back-the-50′s populist (Santorum), or a philandering egotistical populist-lite (Gingrich)….

  • WillWong

    Very well put! Thanks for taking the time to write this!

    I wouldn’t worry about a President Romney. That won’t happen! However our only hope for America is a President Gingrich and to that end, everyone of us will work our butts off to make that happen!

    I can see the Grassroots energized by Newt! Everyone I talked to in the last few weeks shares my enthusiasm about Newt and I am from California!!!!!

  • gracie

    Of course I get your point …they would not care in Florida. It does not matter if Newt gets this out.

    But your other points! You are saying that no matter what we do we cannot ever win against the Republican establishment! I admit I had not thought that way. I thought that we were winning…election by election. We are winning local elections in my community. My state still has a RINO speaker but Repubs have enough of a majority now to get through the sonogram bill voter ID, to keep the Rainy Day Fund from being raided..

    The national scene seems different. The new House TP members are not getting the respect they deserve; in the Senate they are what? three members? Between establishment pubs and media elites we are getting run over like a mack truck.

    I havet to admit I am seeing a huge loss of energy from the Tea Party particularly in national issues. Do we feel we have won all we can? Do we feel beaten down? Are we exhausted? Have we lost interest??

    So the candidate we are going toproduce is a a self centered liar who would do literally anything to win including scaring seniors! Today I read that his aide name of Bondi? states that he wants to have Romneycare in every state. That’s just great.

    How are we going to beat him? How are we going to vote for him?? I do not have a modicum of respect for that man. Newt gave me some hope. I would love to know why he did not come roaring back in the second Fla debate. Mr. Nice Guy did not work in the first.

    You points are most depressing. You are saying conservatives won’t run; can never win. Wow just wow. Barack Obama is not our worst problem?

  • gracie

    Of course I get your point …they would not care in Florida. It does not matter if Newt gets this out.

    But your other points! You are saying that no matter what we do we cannot ever win against the Republican establishment! I admit I had not thought that way. I thought that we were winning…election by election. We are winning local elections in my community. My state still has a RINO speaker but Repubs have enough of a majority now to get through the sonogram bill voter ID, to keep the Rainy Day Fund from being raided..

    The national scene seems different. The new House TP members are not getting the respect they deserve; in the Senate they are what? three members? Between establishment pubs and media elites we are getting run over like a mack truck.

    I havet to admit I am seeing a huge loss of energy from the Tea Party particularly in national issues. Do we feel we have won all we can? Do we feel beaten down? Are we exhausted? Have we lost interest??

    So the candidate we are going toproduce is a a self centered liar who would do literally anything to win including scaring seniors! Today I read that his aide name of Bondi? states that he wants to have Romneycare in every state. That’s just great.

    How are we going to beat him? How are we going to vote for him?? I do not have a modicum of respect for that man. Newt gave me some hope. I would love to know why he did not come roaring back in the second Fla debate. Mr. Nice Guy did not work in the first.

    You points are most depressing. You are saying conservatives won’t run; can never win. Wow just wow. Barack Obama is not our worst problem?

  • krish

    Heard on the radio, Romney telli lies about Gingrich ethics violation even though everyone from Rus, Levin & others mentioned that the charges aginst were bogus & thrown out..including an editorial from WSJ.

    You are absolutely correct, he is lying about Newt at every turn & it has gone beyond tough or fire in the belly!

    I will Not vote for him & will tell everyone what a fraud he is (I used to live in MA when he ran for senate) & have heard him trash Reagan.

  • krish

    Heard on the radio, Romney telli lies about Gingrich ethics violation even though everyone from Rus, Levin & others mentioned that the charges aginst were bogus & thrown out..including an editorial from WSJ.

    You are absolutely correct, he is lying about Newt at every turn & it has gone beyond tough or fire in the belly!

    I will Not vote for him & will tell everyone what a fraud he is (I used to live in MA when he ran for senate) & have heard him trash Reagan.

  • johnnyappleseed

    For all you Romney bashers, a little light on your guy Newt.
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1400387793001/workers-from-anti-bain-film-set-record-straight/?playlist_id=87937

    Worth a look, “The Truth Isn’t Anything , It Just Is”….anon.

  • WillWong

    The assertion by Romney that he never did any business with the Government is blatantly wrong….I thought the video was very well done and provided a good background for understanding Romney’s involvement.

    The timing of the sale of Damon Corp and Operation Labscam is uncanny! I leave it to your own imagination what could have happened……In the world of politics and corruption, anything is possible!

  • courdeleon02

    Newt is a fraud. Every other word out of his mouth is lie. The only people who support him are ultra radical right extremists who want o shut down debate and dictate. I don’t care about these unintelligent creatures . Romney will win without them.

  • gracie

    n/t

  • WillWong

    And so will the grassroot conservatives! Cain just endorsed Newt. Giuliani and Palin all but endorsed Newt! Paid workers (all Romney has) can never outfight grassroot activists! 50% or more of 29,000 tea partiers polled in Florida support Newt! Damon Corp and the Medicare Fraud committed right under Romney’s nose will go viral!

  • Scope

    That would be the Fla. Atty Gen. Pam Bondi, who was one of the 3 state Atty. Gen. that questioned the candidates on the Huckabee debate. She was on one of the TV networks a day later saying that she was satisfied with Romney’s defense of Romneycare, because he made clear it was a state’s issue, not a federal issue. Not long after that, Pam Bondi endorsed Mitt Romney. It would appear that we are talking about the same Bondi.

  • WillWong

    because of his lies. McCain, Huckabee, Fred, And Giuliani hated Romney because of all the negative ads his millions had bought!

    Now, Romney had taken it up a few notches with blatant lies. The man is a serial liar…..anyone recall in the New Hampshire debate where he said that he had not seen the negative ads ran by his super PAC but ran off each of the 4 assertions in the ad verbatim.

    And most recently in Jacksonville, he confidently asserted that he had never done any work with the Government when records show that Damon Corp with him at the helm did medical billings to Medicare.

    People had problem with Newt sitting in a couch with Pelosi talking about AGW. That was stupid of him but it was all talk with no legislation. Romney was in bed with medicare fraud and no one in the MSM seems outraged at all! Where is Ann Coulter, Bob Dole, Townhall, NRO, on this?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    [each writer can please accept his/her contribution]

    I would proffer a point that can help to motivate the dissemination of these thoughts.

    When I graduated Jefferson Med School in ’74, Dean Peter Herbut asked that we perceive the next decade of our lives “not as ten one-year experiences, but as one ten-year experience.”

    He was advising, constantly, to reformulate and to refocus.

    Now, with Perry having been subsumed by The Newt, we are again challenged to combat the Establishment-Testimonials that lesser-people are being told to swallow.

    WE can’t, WE must continue to resist, WE must emerge unscathed.

    I’ve cross-ruffed my new Diary with this effort of WW and, for no other reason, it is vital that all such salient data be disseminated to like-minded people ASAP!

  • Juggernaut

    was a white knight. I emailed the articles to Rick Tyler at the Gingrich PAC. Posted a Romney Bailout too. .

    http://www.redstate.com/williamjameson/2012/01/10/romney-benefited-from-a-10-million-federal-bailout/

  • WillWong

    Baloney! As I and many others have stated over and over again, Romney is tne perfect candidate for Obama in November. Mr.One Percent versus Obama’s OWS 99%. On top of thst, Romney is the Grand Daddy of Obamacare and will be disqualified from wielding our strongest weapon against Obama….Repeal of Obamacare.

    And while I will likely pull the trigger for Romney if God forbids, he becomes our nominee, I really can’t imagine grassroot conservatives will come out in droves for Romney.

    So please stop parroting your Newt is not electable line! Thanks!

  • Ann_W

    The conversation was about Newt getting money from Freddie while they were floundering. Newt tried to turn it around to say that Romney profited from govt. in his co. People have been saying that Bain got bailout money, etc., so Romney was clarifying that his company (Bain) didn’t. The co. the video is focusing on was one that Bain had invested in, not his company, which IIRC is what Newt was asking about. Bain was invested in many companies at this same time. When I was watching the debate it was pretty clear that that was what he was talking about.

    If you know anything about corporate structure, you understand that the board of directors is kind of like a group of mentors that come in every once and a while (I think it’s quarterly) to check up on things. They get the auditors report, but they are in no way digging into the details of day to day operations. If the internal auditors didn’t uncover this, how would someone on the board find it?

    In fact, Damon Corp. was in the process of being sold to Corning during that period. When a company is being sold, the potential buyer hires auditors to go over the operation very carefully (due dilligence) to make sure the co. is what it says it is. Yet the sale went through anyway. That tells me that the fraud was not immediately obvious to the auditors who were even combing through minute details of the operation. Again, how would a board member find it when auditors looking at all the details didn’t.

    Bain invested in 100′s of businesses, if they were in some way complicit/ encouraging this fraud, it would have shown up more than in just this one company. It only looks bad if you know nothing about how public corporations operate. The commercial also made it look worse by saying things in a way that made it seem like it was Romney’s co. that he was running, he was an investor on the board of directors– much different.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Romney wants to take credit for everything good his companies did (create jobs, make money, etc.), but nothing bad (lost jobs, fraud, etc.).

    You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Take it all, or take none. I doubt Romney will do that though, because, he’s trying to win an election, don’t you know.

  • WillWong

    In the Jacksonville debate, Newt asked whether Bain had done any business with the government or government agencies like Medicare and Romney replied “we did not do any business with the government”

    Here are some excerpts from the video…..

    Romney…..We got to attack the rampant fraud that exists in numerous government progrsms.

    ………..one of the ways I will do that is by enacting far stiffer penalties for those who steal from taxpayers.

    The narrator……but under Romney, Damon Corp was the one stealing from tax payers.

    Boston Globe…..Romney was not aware of any Medicare Fraud investigation

    Later, Romney changed his tune….he was the one who ordered company lawyers to investigate the fraud.

    US Attorney Office….Romney did not report any fraud….fraud was reported by Corning who bought Damon from Bain.

    Look at the video and if any of you Romney supporters think there are factual inaccuracies, please speak up or forever hold your peace. At least we are affording you this opportunity! Romney never did with his attack ads!

  • Ann_W

    The founder of Staples is on the record saying that he went to Romney with an idea. After Romney researched the idea, he thought it was a good one and got him the financing. Other people didn’t see the value in the idea. That is him directly being responsible for Staples happening.

    The other is him being on the board of directors of a company that they had invested in. Which, as I explained above, is not involved in day to day decisions. If it wasn’t in the auditors report, he wasn’t seeing it. You tell me how you would have uncovered it, when the auditors didn’t. How would you?

  • For Newt Or Mitt

    NightTwisted,
    That’s not how I remember one of his answers in the debate. Did he or did he not say that not all of his business decisions have panned out. I’m paraphrasing, but I have heard it as well as everybody else.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    It’s all unicorns & rainbows. Where have we heard that before?

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    You just proved my point.

  • Ann_W

    Did you read what I wrote? It actually is different. But I guess you can just dismiss it if you don’t want to take the time.

  • Ann_W

    Who is the master of not taking responsibility.

    He recently said that his 1st wife sought the divorce. She says she didn’t.

    His first wife says he wanted an open marriage. He says he didn’t, yet he had been acting on it for a long time.

    He says that he has gotten right w/ God over past indescretions. Ex-wife says he never even apologized.

    Talk about responsibility– friends at his 1st wife’s church had to take up a collection to provide for Newt’s children when he stopped supporting them for a while.

    I think Mitt Romney has taken more responsibility for past business failures than Newt has ever taken about his past.

  • Vegas_Rick

    for his leftist statements and Governing in Mass….

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    is to point out Newt? Yup…typical.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Everything that goes wrong with the Government would be someone else’s fault, but the good stuff that happens would be due to his policies?

    If you’re trying to give me confidence in Romney’s leadership abilities, you’re doing it wrong.

  • circlegranch

    b/4 Tues? This is good work on your part, reporting all this info. Thanks.

  • circlegranch

    thanks for your insight and truth telling…a commodity in short supply these days.

  • In The Hook

    A year in office and an endorsement of Romney later, she’s dead to us apparently. I can only imagine what would have happened if Tim Scott, West or Rubio had taken sides..

  • avagreen

    damndirtyrino.

    http://www.damndirtyrino.com/2012/01/28/what-were-missing/#comment-9618

  • WillWong

    In the interest of time, any of you should be able to copy the url of the video and post it all over the internet.

  • sandiegovoter

    They’re the only ones besides RS that are still bashing Romney.

    Send Obama an email on this. He may want to help you coordinate.

  • WillWong

    Should be those sites that are in the tank for Romney! We are in the business of changing minds!

  • Finrod

    I guess Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and Mark Levin are liberals now, according to you. Then again, you probably say Flip-Floppin’ Moderate Mitt is a conservative, so your values are clearly in question.

  • In The Hook

    This is a long-standing and false meme, but why would Romney being the nominee make it worse? No matter who it is, the calls for fiscal sanity will be branded as “cruel heartlessness” just as the push to end abortion is assailed as an assault on “women’s rights.” It’s all malarkey but it’s not like someone other than Romney being the nominee will stop the Dems and media from playing up this line.

    If Obama wants to run an OWS campaign, I welcome him to it. People are massively turned off by the movement even if they are somewhat open to the message. A few more nights like Saturday in Oakland and this kind of campaign will be backfiring hard on Obama.

  • gracie

    ppl I personally know are for Newt and All fundamentalists I personally know are not for Romney and many say they will not vote at all! Even if it means BO.

    And Nobody I know plans to work for Romney…not a one! Let him spend each of his millions hiring help; no volunteers here in central Texas. Period.

  • Dave_A

    The complete lack of personal discipline, the total lack of backbone & conviction ever since the ‘Government Shutdown’, and the fact that outside of folks desperately seeking a ‘Not Romney’ nominee, no one gives Newt any credit for the 90s…. Oh, he’s endorsed individual mandates, too… So much for being able to ‘lead’ on that issue…

    He’s dead on arrival.

    Personally, I don’t think the ‘OWS-99%’ rhetoric will WORK with anyone who wasn’t already voting Democrat – the Occupy movement has marginalized themselves with bad behavior already…. And absolutely NONE of the GOP’s candidates will be immune to it.

    What I care about there, is how the candidate handles it.

    Gingrich has already shown vulnerability to caving on that issue/giving it legitimacy, by attacking Bain.

    Romney will have to actually ‘fight back’ and defend capitalisim – and I think he can pull it off.

    If Newt wins the primary, I’ll vote for him in the general – but I can’t support nominating him because I’m sure he’ll lose…

    ‘Normal America’ – the apolitical-except-every-4-years folks – will care more about Newt abhorrent personal life than they will about Romney being rich. Newt is the greater liability.

    Which gives us Mitt or the 50′s-Populist – and I can’t support Santorum’s goal of going back-to-the-past by govt force…

  • gracie

    And no I did not realize she had endorsed Romney! What a disappointment! I loved that whole panel that rnight!

    But.I wonder if this is correct, that the Romney people are actually admitting that he wants a version of Romneycare in every state?? If this is accurate, here goes yet another blatant lie!

    Don’t you wish all the debates were like the two Huckabee?? and he has never been a favorite of mine. But for fair…the DA questions as well as the likey voter questions were hands down the best. If I were the GOP I would only agree to a minimum of half and half of these two types.

    WillWong…love your enthusiasm dude!! I pray that you are right.

  • romansdaughter

    You’ve got a problem…trolls. Goodness, they are stalking you.

  • Scope

    entire thread this morning. Woosh, it is horrendous. Even Walt said that ava was being trolled, and posted that another IP address was used for some of the posts attributed to ava, but to no avail, it is still going on. From what I understand, when someone keeps asking you questions, and especially nonsensical or stupid ones, and then when you answer the question, they ask more, or act as though you never answered the question, that is the definition of trolling, or in this case just plain old bullying. If I were ava, and wanted to keep participating there, I would tell them to pound sand, and that she doesn’t need to justify her posts, whatever they may be, to anyone. For me personally, the last thing I would do is to allow anyone to browbeat me, and I would just post things as I see them, and ignore the bullying because someone else doesn’t agree.

    From what I’ve been reading there, with a few, and we know who they are, you are not welcome, or allowed to post there, if you have decided to back another candidate, since Perry backed out. By saying that one has chosen to back Newt over the serial carpet bomber, who is running one of the nastiest campaigns I’ve ever seen, is enough reason for being ostracized from posting there. Another lady posted there that they were now backing Newt, in order to stop Romney, and she got the very same thrashing posts from the same bully. I saw the posts made here by the bully, and she was given ample warning, especially not to fight and argue with the mods, but she just couldn’t help herself, and almost invited the banning by continuing the arguing and name calling against at least two mods. I in fact tried to move her away from those posts, as I could see it coming. She has a very very strong personality to say the least, and it really is very unattractive. I seriously doubt that Walt will continue allowing others to set the tone and arguments on his website, as though he has no control, and that the martians have landed and taken over there. That is exactly why they were banned here.

    Ava, you owe no one any answers, explanations, reasons or excuses for who or what you support. Just please don’t involve others in the exchanges who clearly don’t want to be involved.

  • avagreen

    on that site and was no longer around to see my answer on that site.
    So, I posted over here so she could see as she seemed genuinely upset by what she thought I said. I tried to straighten it out over there, to no avail, and I just wanted her to know my true thoughts. And, there was one other that had addressed the issue over there, seeming to misunderstand as well what I had said.

    That’s all.

  • romansdaughter

    Yes, I began to understand why she might have gotten banned from here. She is pretty feisty, I must admit but I think she feels hurt. All that to say that hopefully Ava with the help of LouPats brother and other help will be able to get to the bottom of that trolling going on. I still like Walt’s articles over there and you, Scope need to see the latest. Don’t let her intimidate you. It’s a really good article.

  • WillWong

    I thought you were talking to me! Me? Smoking crack? Haven’t touched a cigarette in decades let alone crack! LOL!

  • Kyle-MI

    You will look awfully silly if Romney gets the GOP nomination and you end up arguing that we should vote for him over Obama anyway. Or maybe you won’t make the argument. Maybe you will vote for Obama or, at least, stay home.

    Either way, you are putting all of your eggs into one basket and a very flimsy basket at that.

    You are willing to destroy the possible GOP nominee in one last vainglorious setting off on a political atomic bomb that is likely to have much collateral damage.

  • WillWong

    It is all over the internet….and I didn’t know the LEFT would be so computer illiterate to miss this one….

    Romney is outspending Newt 5:1 and has detonated a few bombs himself. Do I see you telling his people what you just told us? Or do you really care?

  • Common_Cents

    Talking about scorched earth campaigns against other candidates, spending 7 or more to 1.

  • Kyle-MI

    But frankly, all of you anti-candidatebots are nuts. Go ahead and spread your joy juice.

    I am reserving a heap of I-told-you-so, once these primaries are finished.

  • Kyle-MI

    I would reconsider on what you are basing your decisions.

  • Common_Cents

    nt

  • Kyle-MI

    Both candidates and their supporters are engaged in this. And it has gone way beyond vetting.

    There are people on this site who are bordering on insane in their attacks.

  • Kyle-MI

    If Gingrich is the GOP nominee I will gladly eat crow and vote for him over Obama. I would crawl naked over broken glass to vote for him over Obama.

    There have been entirely too many sanctimonious posts from anti-Romneybots saying they will never vote for Romney, even in the general.

  • snowshooze

    Romney is not beyond investing in a dirt finding mission.

  • clowngirl

    we know virtually nothing about Romney’s 25 years as CEO and there’s already some serious red flags.

    Newt, meanwhile has already been thoroughly vetted (ad nauseum) and the Romney campaign is having to resort to making stuff up, and treating decades old bogus and obviously partisan ethics charges as legitimate since he can’t win on substance.

    It’s incredible to me that the media is STILL not vetting Romney.

  • cwfoster

    They receieved a $119 MILLION dollar fine, which, on top of losing the original profitability which was based upon bilking Medicare out of millions of dollars a year the company was nothing more than a hollow shell when the dust settled.

  • WillWong

    Under that massive load, it had no other option than to file for bankruptcy and thousands lost their jobs and tax payers were on the hook for $millions.

  • WillWong

    And he came out stronger than ever….no mutual assured destruction there!

  • clowngirl

    there’s a difference.

  • Kyle-MI

    Maybe Corning shut down the company, but that isn’t bankruptcy. Maybe I am just nitpicking on the words, but that statement doesn’t make sense and therefore it has me suspicious. Something in this story doesn’t add up.

  • Juggernaut

    That’s how the Obamamania media shall portray a medicare fraudster who managed the deceit. Newt’s negatives are nothing in comparison to the oppo dump on Romney that you have yet to see. Santorum has yet to be vetted so there’s no telling if he’ll be able to raise money or disappoint with baggage. No wonder brokered convention talk is onging because the pro’s know all 3 are a risk.

  • meghan

    Kyle, this may explain why people are defending Newt…the MSM in general can be muted, however, when they become guru’s like
    Beck or Oprah, we wake up and take control of our senses.

    THE SELF DESTRUCTION OF GLENN BECK

    http://theamericanista.tumblr.com/post/16685269478/the-self-destruction-of-glenn-beck

  • WillWong

    When Bain Capital bought a controling stake in Damon Corp in 1989 and put Romney on the board, they in effect made Romney the head honcho at Damon.

    So while the Medicare Fraud was on going in Damon, Romney was the guy at the helm. It is not acceptable to claim ignorance at first. But let?s say we accept his explanation that he was not aware of the fraud. How do you explain that when he was questioned by his Dem opponent for the Mass Governor election that he was slack and negligent, Romney changed his tune that he was aware and ordered company lawyers to fix the mess. Of course, Mass State attorneys confirmed that Romney did nothing to report or stop the fraud.

    So here is the fact of the matter:-

    Romney as head honcho did not abide by the traditional ?the buck stops here? rule!
    Romney flip flopped yet again!
    Romney actually lied about ordering company lawyers to investigate.

    Bottom line?.can you trust the Office of the POTUS to Romney? My answer is an emphatic NO!

  • papabear

    n/t

  • acat

    Remember this?

    Mew

  • johnnyappleseed

    Watch the attached interview and use your own judgement, keep an open moind, and you will see that Newt fabricates worse than Romney
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1400387793001/workers-from-anti-bain-film-set-record-straight/?playlist_id=87937

  • mbrat42

    there was some sort of contractual agreement. I had the link saved on my favorites but it is now gone and I cannot for the life of me find it again.I cannot remember what the agreement was called but it left Corning responsible for anything that would come up after the purchase of Damon. The medicare fraud fines fell under this agreement.