Whenever I hear rumblings about the crumbling, worthless, liberal, failing education system in our country, my dander goes up just a bit. I happen to be a member of that community as a professional, and while the system historically (hysterically?) supports the liberal agenda and the leaders of such, I do not. Am I a member of my local union? Absolutely, but for only one reason: if I need a lawyer, I can’t afford one on my own because I get paid peanuts for performing one of the most difficult and stressful jobs on the planet. I recently received a request in the mail asking that I allow my local to donate a portion of my dues to support democratic candidates in the next election. My answer was “no,” and I was assured that it would not effect my standing within the union or put my job in jeopardy. We’ll see at contract renewal time next year.
I am not a teacher of history, but of English and literature (hence my name). During the last election most of my 15 and 16-year-old-students were completely enamored with then candidate Obama. Big surprise. He’s “cool,” right? I had to keep reminding myself that at their age most kids don’t really have their own opinions on issues such as welfare, foreign policy, or health care (and the prevailing opinion regarding education is that it should be abolished). They were reflecting mom and dad’s opinion and I knew long before the results came in who would win. Did I allow them to watch the inauguration? Yes. Regardless of how I felt personally about the new president, this was an historical event and I was moved as I saw many of my African American students hold tears in their eyes as they watched the new president stand before the nation.
I admit I did struggle with how I was going to deal with the “Who did you vote for?” questions. I’m braver on paper than in person and the thought of being confronted by angry parents made me a little nervous considering I probably wouldn’t have any support from my liberal administration. I might even be ushered out like Tim Latham from Kansas.
So, what did I do? I encouraged my students to educate themselves. I pointed out that many of the up and coming policies will directly affect them and their futures. I encouraged them to watch news stations beyond the Big Three. And, yes, I encouraged them to read. Ha! (It’s a sad thing to be a teacher of words.) In the end, they knew for whom I voted and it was okay. My goal was not to make them feel as I do, but to get them to think for themselves about what’s important now, and what will be important to them in the future; after all, most of them will be voting in the next big election.
I just finished my 5th year in the classroom and I can honestly say that I love teaching and I love kids. (This is a second career for me.) As an English and Literature teacher I am able to get students thinking and talking about issues. They love to debate and it does my heart good to hear them working things out for themselves. I know that the big push is for highly qualified math, science, and technology teachers, but let’s not forget that if they can’t read, they can’t be successful in math, science, or technology. There are problems in the public school system, I’ll not deny that, but most are caused by two things: NCLB and the break-down of the American family.
NCLB is a real headache for most teachers. While teachers as a whole want students to be successful, the system is broken. We are buried in paperwork that has nothing to do with instruction and feel pressure to teach to the test. This year I had 11 ESOL students (English Speakers of Other Languages) whose primary language is Spanish. They spoke Spanish when they were with their friends and Spanish is the only language spoken at home. Now, I ask you, how can these kids ever pass a standardized state test, written only in English using test language? The answer…they can’t. Their failing scores are included in the school’s grade, which brings down the overall performance report for that school. It also brought down my performance scores because 12% of my kids had no chance of passing. Things like this are what make a teacher feel hopeless. And it’s one reason that merit pay is a complicated issue. I must say that Obama has some good ideas; however, we must be careful when laying out the criteria for teacher recognition. For instance, rather than basing a teacher’s worthiness of receiving merit pay on student state test scores alone, professional development activities and coursework should be recognized. We are required, and rightly so, to participate in continuing education classes in order to retain our license. Why not include the fact that I shell out $4,500 of my own money a year so that I can be a better teacher in the assessment of my performance? How about teachers working in the inner city? I think they might appreciate combat pay in some cases! (I knew a teacher once who had a panic closet in his classroom so that he’d have a safe place to go when the riots broke out.) It’s a very complicated issue. And as far as leaving kids behind, well…
You know the expression, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.” Well, teachers can teach their students all day long but they can’t force them to learn. We can’t force them to care. We can’t force them to think about their futures, especially when so many of them don’t believe they have one. Last year I had 140 students and I was shocked by the number of them who were in the foster care system or being raised by a grandparent because they had no parents. For some, mom or dad had died and the remaining parent just couldn’t “deal” with their kids. For others, mom was in jail, or dad was in jail, or dad beat the crap out of Billy and he was removed from the home. Or maybe, just maybe, Susie is simply rotten. There really are those kids out there. They might have the best parents in the world, but something is missing inside. Try teaching that kid to understand literature or write an essay, or give a flip about the state test, I dare you. Then be judged on how well you are doing your job. The fact of the matter is we (teachers) need parents to stay on top of their kids, make sure the homework is done, bother to look at the reports cards, teach them manners, and for crying out loud be parents, not buddies with their children!
Are there lazy teachers? Of course. Are most teachers lazy? Not in my experience. Some people think that because we have summers off we get paid for doing nothing. Again, most teachers I know spend a lot of time over the summer getting things ready for next year. I, along with many of my colleagues, will teach different classes next year. That means that I have to work now on lesson plans for the beginning of the new academic year. In addition to that, I will begin working on my Masters in Education in September, and in December, for about 9 weeks, I will take a state required ESOL class, paid for by myself and completed on my own time. Furthermore, during the year I will be required to take one or two day mini-classes on a regular basis and attend weekly department meetings after work, along with meetings during the regular school day (interrupting my teaching time) to develop education plans for kids with special needs. Are you breathless yet? And I bring home less than five and a quarter a week. Yeah…it’s the money.
I found this interesting fact on the NEA website:
“Nationally, the average turnover for all teachers is 17 percent, and in urban school districts specifically, the number jumps to 20 percent, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. The National Commission on Teaching and America’s Future proffers starker numbers, estimating that one-third of all new teachers leave after three years, and 46 percent are gone within five years [emphasis added].
Teaching is not for weaklings or the faint of heart. In August, because of budget cuts, I can look forward to at least 30 students in my classes six periods a day. That’s a minimum of 180 9th and 10th graders. Before I was a teacher I thought that it must be a pretty cushy job. Lots of holidays and the summers off; what more could you ask for? Since I’ve been in the “game” I’ve learned that if not for the down time we would never last. I’ve only been at it for five years and it is the most rewarding, exhausting, and devastating (because of the heartache) job I could have ever imagined having. How many more years will I last? Time will tell.

My Parents Were Both Teachers
Jake W Monday, June 29th at 10:47PM EDT (link)And conservatives as well.
My Dad taught British Literature for 30 years before retiring from the profession in 1995. My Mom just completed her 30th year as a Speech Pathologist. She is currently employed with the Cobb County, GA, school system.
I know my Mom has had many of the same experiences that you have. The school she spends most of her time at is attended by a lot of poorer families. In grades, academic performace, ethnic make up, and many other ways, it is not much different from the inner city Atlanta schools not far down the road.
Anyways, many of the students there do not have much desire to learn what they are taught, despite the best efforts by many teachers. Some of the students there are also enrolled in ESOL classes, as the Hispanic population in the school’s district is also high.
Of course, Obama was overwhelmingly the favorite candidate among much of the students and teachers there during the last election.
From what I can tell from her experiences, the home life of each student has a substantial effect on how they perform in school. Many of the students in my Mom’s school come from single parent homes. Some aren’t even raised bny their parents but another close relative or foster parents because the student’s biological parents were unfit. So coming from a family where both parents are present and are responsible adults usually means their children will be responsible students in school.
You and my Mom seem very much alike in your respective experiences.
Keep at your work, and don’t give up. My Mom has for thirty years, and she has no intention of quitting soon.
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this is like a whine fest
mom2oneson Monday, June 29th at 11:15PM EDT (link)You should either teach in a private school or get out of teaching. Work at home should not be required with the amount of time you have with your students each day.
I expected you to post on this one mom2one
pilgrim Monday, June 29th at 11:36PM EDT (link)From reading a lot of your previous posts-I just knew you’d post. When I read this diary I got a slightly different impression than whine fest. I got the impression of somebody who can look in a mirror and see a conservative instead of seeing a caricature of the public school teacher union member. She just doesn’t like the stereotype that some people have about people who are teachers.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
I don't agree with the stereotypes
mom2oneson Monday, June 29th at 11:53PM EDT (link)but could you imagine a nurse or physician listing out their continuing education requirements and writing that their pay should be based on that and not their performance? I disagree with the criticism of parents staying on top of work at home. There should be no work assigned at home. Thje poster is upset that parents aren’t doing the teacher’s job. I also disagree with the low expectations she has because a students home life is bad or they are ESL studnets. If teachers are counting on parents to teach at home, then the children with a poor home life will not measure up. They should be learning in the classroom with nothing to do at home. Also grandparents are often the most “involved” guardians, just because a kids parents are MIA doesn’t mean they are doomed academically.
kowalski
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 12:48AM EDT (link)“I know that the big push is for highly qualified math, science, and technology teachers, but let’s not forget that if they can’t read, they can’t be successful in math, science, or technology. There are problems in the public school system, I’ll not deny that, but most are caused by two things: NCLB and the break-down of the American family. ”
How does illiterate skip to home life? The blame should be on the school and teachers if the children can’t read. They students that are native to this country have been there for ten years already. There is no reason why they have not learned to read except the schools and teachers do not want them to be literate. Instead of putting the responsibility on the previous teachers, the method of teaching reading and curriculum choice, the jump goes to family life and NCLB. (Parts of NCLB has helped in *some* areas because it brought more attention to intensive phonics. I’m not for NCLB btw but it would be unfair not to point that out. I know the criticisim is with other parts of it.)
wordarepower I’m not sure why the number of kids being raised by grandparents or the system suprised you, but except to see those numbers go up with this economy. You are going to see more and more kids that are sleeping on a couch at a relatives house. I don’t know where you could find a public school with primarily two parent families. Most kids even with both parents deal with two households. A private school or a public charter virtual school is where you will find more two biological parent type of families.
Teachers can't teach a kid to read if the kid doesn't want to read
LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Thursday, July 2nd at 12:03PM EDT (link)There’s this thing called personal responsibility. Some people, whether for good or bad reasons, don’t learn to read easily. Most kids under age 13 or so pick up reading their native spoken language easily on their own, simply by learning basic phonics and sounding out words. Those who can’t learn this way because of dyslexia or other learning disabilities can be helped to learn by teachers, but mostly they themselves need to want to learn. That motivation is what is missing. And motivation is one of those things teachers aren’t allowed to teach, because it goes to the nature of man, families, civics, man’s rights and duties to other men and to God, and the truth about human lives (including real history), and is both religious in nature and also goes outside the approved history curriculum.
And then there are the kids who can’t learn to read and won’t. They shouldn’t be in school. There should be things they can do to survive and thrive in life, but thanks to the utopianism of educators that is a truth that cannot be spoken.
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basic phonics and sounding out words.
mom2oneson Thursday, July 2nd at 1:23PM EDT (link)That is the issue. They aren’t taught intensive phonics. I’m saying the school system, the curriculum, how some teachers teach reading creates most of the reading problems and illiteracy. When we talk about the kids home life, the socioeconomic status, the schools being bad, dad in prison (I’m not denying any of things are important but that isn’t the big huge issue) we get away from the rubber meets the road problem. I don’t know how to articulate but even with a bad home life and past traumas kids still have a brain and are always learning, they can learn how to read.
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I’m not denying the other things about motivation but I think a lot of it is a cycle. If someone else give a d*mn and takes time to start from a apple b bell c cat d dog e elephant and can show a tiny bit of patience until it clicks for the other person they really change that whole motivation as far as reading. Sure it’s easier to do with a young child that has never had a negative learning experience but with an older kid or adult that is really jaded from these idiot methods and experienced failure and embarrassment it will be harder to get passed that but it is possible. The nice thing about reading is it’s a nice pat on the back, they do it and they get some positive feedback from that accomplishment either from reading themselves or from a test scores that go form D or F to A lol. Even if someone wants an applied type of career they have to learn this basics of reading even to get through these votech programs at community college. That level of reading anyone can do even someone with some mild impairments but they have to be taught with a good method.
I grew up in a city and I’ve life in projects as an adult, I know all about apathy and laziness and just sheer irresponsibility and the victims of that and I don’t know the answer to that type of motivation about being a good person and responsible citizen but I do know that on a personal level people can be motivated to read and it’s very easy to teach them.
I think democrats and republicans forget that people heave healthy amazing brains that the Lord gave to them. We put too much on other stuff.
I did...
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 7:33AM EDT (link)my first four years of teaching. It was in a small charter school, still public, but a lot different. There were only 110 students, 6 though 8 grade, but the pressures were the same, if not greater.
I don’t want to get out of teaching; teaching is what I love.
Working at home should not be required with the amount of time I have with my students each day? 45 minutes! If I give them time to do all of their homework, when exactly do I teach?
charter school
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 8:53AM EDT (link)I wrote public charter virtual school which is like one of those online schools that is a public school. (Sometimes they are called Utah Virtual Academy, Connections, __(name of state) Virtual Academy) Many homeschooling parents switch to that. Private schools and homeschooling is the only places I’ve seen lots of two biological parent families.
I don’t know what your classroom is like (I know some schools are like a zoo where nothing can get done) but it sounds like you are able to have quiet if you are doing things like watching the election. Forty-five minutes for one subject or six hours a day is more enough time to spend doing school work. To answer to your questions, I would teach for a few minutes and have them read or write independently the rest of the time. The only exception would be higher level math they may need closer to 90 minutes a day to finish a book with 140 -160 lessons every year once they start algebra and 120 minutes once they start advanced math. A math teacher wouldn’t have control over this, but I think in a public school something else should be cut out to give them time to do it.
no coffee yet
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 8:55AM EDT (link)I hope you can make out what I was writing!
I've been told
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 9:20AM EDT (link)that I come across as strong and in control, so I am able to maintain discipline in my classroom. Sometimes I think I missed my real “calling” as an actress because, I must admit, I have to fake strength and confidence sometimes when I’m really being challenged by a “precious snowflake.”
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree about the homework issue, and that’s okay
lol
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 9:56AM EDT (link)at precious snowflake! They are all little angels!!!
Most of the strong, confident people I know will admit they are faking too!
nessa Wednesday, July 1st at 11:10AM EDT (link)I’ve executed and witnessed some academy award winning performances!
A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Allow me to apologize now for future rants when I throw you under the bus along with your less dedicated union supporters. keep doing what you love!!
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Jake and Pilgrim caught the spirit
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 7:11AM EDT (link)of my diary. Somtimes people get really emotional/defensive when they read something that touches a nerve.
“Mom,” your mindset that kids should have no homework is so off base! Studies show that students need time to practice what they’ve learned during the day. I’m not talking about 5 hours worth, but a couple of hours for a high school student is warranted. Remember, we only have students for 45 minutes a day, unless they come in for tutoring (which is available 4-5 days a week, though many who need it most don’t come).
I at no time implied that parents or guardians should teach their kids, but they should make sure homework is done. One more thing…parents should read to their children from the time they are born to instill a love of reading and learning. If “mom” doesn’t think that’s important, or that a lack of reading in the home doesn’t contribute to the ever increasing illiteracy rate in America, she is sadly mistaken.
I think you have misunderstood mom2one's POV
pilgrim Tuesday, June 30th at 7:36AM EDT (link)I have read a lot of her posts, and defended her from attacks on occasion. She is a strong advocate for home schooling, and she has done this for her own son. I cautioned her from stereotyping all public school teachers, and she replied she also did not like stereotyping.
One beef she has with public schools is with textbooks that are used in them. I’m sure she does not blame you for that. You and her may agree more than you disagree. You and her just need to understand where each of you are coming from.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
thanks pilgrim :) nt
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 9:39AM EDT (link)pilgrim
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 10:01AM EDT (link)I read your comment this morning and saw the diary was in response to the stereotypes. You made it click.
reading
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 9:38AM EDT (link)I think the problem with reading is that schools don’t use intensive phonics to teach reading when the kids are in lower grades. Almost any child that is not impaired could learn to read above grade level with intensive phonics in a few months regardless if they were ever read to.
I get annoyed with the read to your preschooler and parents read to your kids campaigns when they go so far to say that literacy is dependent on it. I think that is nice but the child reading successfully is not dependent on it.
The big issue is intensive phonics, but another negative factor once children know how to read is electronic screens. I think they really can hinder a kid from delveoping a love for reading and study.
I don’t mean from your diary but IRL I see so much talk and drama about reading and it’s like nobody mentions the real issue. We had an article in our local paper a few months ago about the low literacy rate here and she gave all these solutions even so far as home visits for infants. Never once did she say, lets use ___(intensive phonics curriculum) in 1st - 3rd grades.
wordsarepower
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 8:12AM EDT (link)I apologize for writing it’s a whinefest. That was wrong. I see now you were listing these things out against a stereotype. I’m going to reply to the homework and reading part and family part but I wanted to apologize to you. I see the context of what you were writing. Thank you for not attacking me back.
I'm not an attacker (or whiner) by nature :)
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 8:39AM EDT (link)I look forward to your thoughts on homework, reading, etc. I think we’ll have similar feelings about textbooks.
I have a friend who has been home schooling her three kids. Hey, more power to her, and you! I don’t think it would have worked for me when my daughter was in school, but if it works for you (and many others) go for it! Sometimes the public school is so bad that it is the best solution.
best solution
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 9:07AM EDT (link)That is my argument for it especially when we bring up the DC School vouchers and the kids being “forced” back into the public schools. I say take them out, let them learn independently if necessary. There are so many school in a box curriculums that are excellent and even public libraries that they can utilitze. My big argument with most people here is that the child learning basic skills isn’t dependent on the parent’s educational level or even the parent/guardian teaching them the material. I say the child can learn independently especially with all of the audio and print resources that are available.
I agree!
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 9:18AM EDT (link)My school has a pretty good, comprehensive curriculum, but I do spend a lot of time searching the net and gleaning wonderful lessons for my students. Sadly, our school library is pathetic, and it’s a real struggle to teach them how to use the system, but I do what I can.
Students can and do learn independently in some cases. When I was teaching at the charter school we had eight students who took most of their classes on-line in a virtual school “experiment” in the district. While a couple of them were very successful, the majority of them didn’t have the work ethic to keep up with assignments and they ended up going to the public school.
The biggest gripe I have with my regular public school experience is that teachers are questioned when their failure rate is too high. It’s as though the administrators are hinting that we should pass students that aren’t ready to move on to keep the failure rate low.
I refuse to pass a student who hasn’t succeeded in my class. I could lose my job because of it. I can live with that.
the system is bad
mom2oneson Tuesday, June 30th at 10:49AM EDT (link)Good for you for not lying to keep your job.
For the virtual school that is a good point about a lack of work ethic. I think a lot of parents confuse maybe raw intelligence with discipline and a work ethic. It’s great that junior is bright but much of functioning in life is just getting things done and getting them done on time. That is one thing I like about pets and plants it gives my son responsibilities. I wish we lived on a farm because there is more opportunity for them to have things to keep up with. I keep him enrolled in a reading course every year. The first year it was clear that he did not have the skill of turning something (book report) in under a deadline. I am so glad I enrolled him, I did it for the content but I am glad I was able to catch that before he was older.
Wordsarepower, as a parent, I am sympathetic with you.
penguin2 Tuesday, June 30th at 8:50AM EDT (link)there are many sides to the issue of education, or should I say variables affecting the educational process. Just wanted to share some thoughts from a parental perspective.
My children went to parochial school through 8th gr. All of the time they were in school, my husband and I felt like we were going to school. There was no way my kids would have been as successful as they were, without the intense, supportive help they received from us. The point: the amount of knowledge that the kids today have to master is significantly greater than when we were in school. We felt like the kids were in school all day and evening.
My kids went to public high school. As you noted, significant number of broken and or dysfunctional families. At the end of the school day, huge numbers of kids walked out without bookbags or books. As you can guess, that won’t help a student to be successful. Thus the students lack of diligence and desire to be educated is going to adversely affect the outcome in a classroom and for a teacher. Test scores should only be part of the evaluation process for teachers, and in some classes, maybe not at all. When students and their families are passively sabotaging the education process, everyone loses. But that is what happens when a society values political correctness over achievement. Lowering standards vs. challenging for higher achievement, etc.
I admire you, the challenges for teaching today are greater than ever. You are not only up against children/family problems, but fighting the society at large who has done away with discipline, expectation and respect.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
Benjamin Franklin
Amen and Amen!
wordsarepower Tuesday, June 30th at 9:09AM EDT (link)Thanks for the support.
Political correctness is killing our education system. If everyone is a “winner” then how can we rightfully fail anyone’s child?
When my daughter was in school I made sure that I knew what homework she had, due dates for projects, etc. I was present in the school on a regular basis, probably to the annoyance of many. She was class Valedictorian and I’d like to believe that her dad and I had a little something to do with that
you have my support - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Tuesday, June 30th at 8:12PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
About teacher's pay
Cheryl Wednesday, July 1st at 1:28AM EDT (link)I’ve been a loan officer for more than 15 years, most recently I worked for a mortgage lender and we made loans in 49 states (excluded WVA). The differences in pay for educators just blew me away. Here in CA teachers in rural schools make more than in say the Oakland school district (not that they’re exactly worth more salary, but there’s an obvious cost of living difference). It’s that whole tenure thing I guess. The disparity between starting educators and 5 plus years on the job is crazy. Also, I saw a lot of administrators who make damn near $200k a year.
I saw an application for a school principal back in 1994 who made over $130k; the school had less than 200 students.
There’s something really wrong here.
I agree.
wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 9:23AM EDT (link)Here in Florida, after five years of teaching, I only make about $600 a year more (before taxes) than I did on year 1. Our new contract makes new teachers wait two years before they get a $400 raise and I have to wait two years to get a $450 raise. One county south of where I live salaries are a couple of thousand dollars a year higher. It’s ridiculous. Cost of living has to come into play, but you’re right about the huge differences across the country.
Also, we work on an annual contract. We can be let go at any time for any reason, or no reason at all. In these times there is no security in being a teacher, at least here.
Administrator salaries are really up there! But I’ll tell you what…I wouldn’t have their job. At my high school we have four assistant principals and between the paper work and discipline issues they deal with they never stop. Sometimes, by the end of the day their hair is, literally, standing straight up they are so frazzled. The principal, on the other hand, is MIA a lot, and she makes upwards of $170,000!
You watched that inauguration in your classroom?
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 11:24AM EDT (link)Oh please. I think it’s a pretty good story here, but THAT little factoid poisons me for you.
What was historic about it?
Huh?
What, exactly?
Oh, that would be his race, I suppose. And I am sick to death of race-conscious whites AND blacks. Screw everybody, dead, fictional, or alive, that voted for him (or against him) because of his race.
Now that little Marxist SOB is busy setting up a fiefdom of unaccountable henchmen (his little band of ‘czars’ while his congress is passing laws that wreck the economy (on a historical level) and take away freedoms of Americans (again, on a historical level).
It is good that you sometimes fight the good fight. But you really crapped a football with that one.
Carthago delenda est
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I'm sorry you are offended...
wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 12:25PM EDT (link)but I would have wanted my students to watch the inauguration not matter who won. No matter my personal opionio about the man,15 and 16-year-olds need to be included in the process; after all, they will be making some pretty important decisions in the very near future. Whether you like it or not, the fact that we now have a president who is not a WASP is historical.
BTW, I always fight the good fight…I just choose not to name call or make crude remarks when I do it. Take a breath.
don't worry about what offends me
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 12:44PM EDT (link)You didn’t merely say that you let your kids watch it. You fairly launched into “charge of the light brigade”:
I figured “Climb Every Mountain” was next.
You suit yourself. I think you have some good ideas, and I think you have some exceedingly misguided and naive ideas, especially as it pertains to your own conservatism and that of your fellow teachers. But you are welcome to it. Your profession is a very challenging one. I was a HS math teacher for 4 years, and got out when I just had my fill of (a) administrators who don’t do a damned thing to enforce even a modicum of classroom discipline, and (b) parents who think their kids can do no wrong.
I also think the NEA is Satan incarnate. In terms of the damage they do to the country as a union, I think they exceed even the reach of the UAW.
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Good grief...
wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 1:17PM EDT (link)So I get moved when kids are moved. That doesn’t make me wishy washy politically. It seems to me that you are upset about more than just the fact that I allowed my students to view an inauguration.
How do you know if I’m naive regarding my conservatism? Or my fellow teacher’s conservatism? Frankly, I don’t even know many of the teachers in my school because I was teaching out of a portable classroom a block away from the main building! And, I might add, you would be hard pressed to find a more conservative person than me. Liberals and moderate Republicans would consider me a gun carrying, red-neck, judgemental, intolerant, bigot! Neither do I endorse the NEA or it’s liberal positions, but Satan incarnate? Really? Though I do believe that Satan uses them to further his agenda to destroy people.
I’m sorry you only lasted four years on the battlefield of education. It sounds like you had a terrible time. I’m going to continue fighting, for a while anyway.
Once again, you ascribe to me
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 2:20PM EDT (link)emotions that are not indicated.I am not ‘upset’, nor am I ‘offended’, and as earlier indicated, it does not matter, in terms of the discussion, whether I am or not. For the record, I am deeply, horrifically cynical.
You seem to have made a fine impression on everybody here but me, so I would not get all worked up. Now I am ascribing emotions to you to step past whatever points you might be making - see how enjoyable it is to get marginalized? Savor it.
My particular beef with you revolves around the fact that you think you are conservative, yet you were moved (positively) because your black students were moved at the fact that a black man became president. These kids are viewing the political world through the prism of race, and they appear to have viewed Obama’s electoral victory as a racial success, and not as a milestone for the country.
That is a wrong-headed view, a decidedly class-conscious, race-conscious, anti-conservative point of view. And you were moved by it.
For the record, for a large percentage of my students, I was their favorite teacher they ever had - and this, a high school math teacher. It was not a terrible experience by any stretch. I just was not a natural at bureaucracy, and toeing the party line.
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mom2oneson Wednesday, July 1st at 2:39PM EDT (link)Do you think maybe it wasn’t due to race? I cry sometimes when I see kids or young adults that achieve an award. Just seeing the headlines about the spelling bee lol makes me cry. Even at the pinewood derby it makes me cry seeing how much pride the kids have about their cars..especially the ones that the kids actually did themselves.
No
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 3:39PM EDT (link)It was completely about race. If we are talking about the kids.
I am on occasion moved by historic events too. The Miracle on ice in 1980 was magnificent, both in terms of the underdog-beats-unbeatables, and in terms of the Free Nations vs Soviet Bloc thing as well - a get all misty when watching the end of that movie.
But I don’t equate good historical events with bad ones. It does not matter a flip what color our president is. Those who *do* care, I have a problem with. Those who enable those who do care, I have a problem with them calling themselves conservative.
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EPU, wordsarepower has impeccable conservative creds.
janis Wednesday, July 1st at 2:52PM EDT (link)She has raised to adulthood a very talented young woman who is lauded both here and elsewhere as a rising star in the conservative movement. Said young woman has attributed her beliefs to those she was raised with. Say what you will, but this woman walks the talk.
can't argue with that janis :-)
mom2oneson Wednesday, July 1st at 3:24PM EDT (link)EPU has good points but you are absolutely right.
It's nice to have conservative credentials
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 3:51PM EDT (link)But like the guy with a tough-guy reputation, once in awhile you gotta prove it. The criticism I am levying is valid. It is an embarrassment for an actual conservative to hail the election of a black president as some kind of historical accomplishment, purely because he is black. To get all misty-eyed, like it’s the climactic moment of The Notebook or something. Just because many people, both black and white, think it’s so, does not make it so.
When America gets colorblind to the point where a president’s race is one of those incidentals, like “President Jones jogs, plays the trumpet, and he’s black”, THEN we will have passed some significant milestone, something worthy of MLK Jr’s “I Have a Dream” speech. This that we are seeing now, it’s not colorblind, it’s just more of the same we get from a certain side of the political spectrum that is not called “the right”.
I’m the kind of guy who actually *would* knock the battery off of Robert Conrad’s shoulder. And if this lady is all that in terms of conservative street cred, she can prove it. I don’t hate or or despise her, but this is a bone of contention.
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I get what you are saying, EPU
pilgrim Wednesday, July 1st at 4:11PM EDT (link)So many, especially in the African-American communities, do not get it, yet. They don’t get that the war is over, and they won. Somebody, I don’t now remember who, once said that the proof of equality in ML baseball management did not reveal itself when Frank Robinson was hired as a baseball GM, but revealed itself when he was fired as a baseball GM. Some day I believe they will get it.
It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge
By that reasoning, pilgrim, will we have finally
janis Wednesday, July 1st at 4:14PM EDT (link)become color-blind when we have managed to impeach a black president?
How about let's settle for defeating his party in 2010 and hin in 2012! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 1st at 7:51PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
EPU, I understand where you're coming from,
janis Wednesday, July 1st at 4:23PM EDT (link)and if I didn’t firmly believe what I said about this poster, I wouldn’t have made the remark defending her. She is a teacher and she cares about her students. Apparently she has the ability to put herself in their shoes and see this event through their eyes, and I have no doubt that many of us would be moved as well had we been there.
Perhaps we will move a whole lot closer to being truly color-blind when the wretched effects of Destructor’s policies are felt throughout every neighborhood. Gonna be awful tough to continue to feel misty-eyed about somebody that just cut your old age Social Security check, made sure your utility rates skyrocketed, and then encouraged your bad old self to die and quit using up resources.
My sister was a teacher of 11th and 12th graders for 25 years. She has no love or respect for Obama, but I know she would have had empathy for her black students’ pride in this event. Doesn’t mean she backs the notion of affirmative action either, but she cared about her students and looked for ways to get them involved in the history of this country.
I guess time will tell
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 4:58PM EDT (link)This particular thing is one of those “things” with me. I had great success as a teacher in part because I made people stand or fall on their own merits. It’s when parents undermined that, and insisted on special treatment for their kids, that I failed (I never caved, but kids belonging to those parents were usually not going to ever give me credence and be taught by me). I learned to basically bypass excessively PC administration (which is to say *all* administration) by creating my own fiefdom (along with one other teacher) and imposing our own disciplinary measures, backed by a student court that was more ruthless than we were.
But I got sick to death of kids that wanted crap handed to them because they were part of some disadvantaged group, or even worse, by the supposedly “good” students who thought that because they were upper crust, I had to put up with their diva crap. We did not even HAVE homework to speak of - we did it in class - and calculators were not allowed. My kids came out of my classes (FOM, Alg 1, etc) and entered the *next* higher math classes actually ready for them, which made me virtuallly unique, since I commonly had to catch them up on about 3 grade levels.
I was hard and firm, fun-loving if the class allowed it, and loved. And I didn’t sell out one bit to political correctness. I also did not hang out with the other teachers, who by and large disliked me.
It doesn’t bother me alot that people do that empathy thing (cater to race-based politics), but it bothers the crap out of me when they do that, and call themselves conservatives, when that is so utterly contrary to the conservative DNA.
But we’ll see. I don’t feel like contending this to the ends of the earth.
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This good ole white boy from SC was moved to tears when Obama won the
Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 1st at 7:54PM EDT (link)SC dem primary and even when he gave the Inaugural as this former dem till 2000 is proud of the progress we have made as a state and a nation on the issue of race and can well understand the pride of blacks of any age to see the first black elected President.
Clearly most whites have achieved King’s dream of colorblindness. It is time for blacks to do the same.
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and there will be plenty more tears to come
kyle8 Wednesday, July 1st at 8:07PM EDT (link)no doubt
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
LOL! and amen, as is true of all liberal dem presidents! - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine Wednesday, July 1st at 8:25PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
The issue is civic institutions, not personalities
civil_truth Wednesday, July 1st at 12:36PM EDT (link)The inauguration of any elected official into the Office of the Presidency is an historic event as it continued a 200+ year line of peaceful transfer of power -and thus certainly most appropriate for a high school class to watch. Especially given the rarity in human history of institutions able to support such as history.
This has nothing to do with what you or I think about the person whom a majority of our fellow-voters misguidedly elected to that official. Nor the fact that his election, in my view, puts the continued existence of the U.S. as a free nation into extreme peril and gravely threatens our democratic system of governance.
And hopefully seeing the artifice and discussing the event will get the students to perhaps examine poltiical events and speeches in the future with some level of critical thinking.
And Rightly So!
Show them what you like, the key is encouraging their own independent thoughts and ideas
nessa Wednesday, July 1st at 1:24PM EDT (link)It is always interesting when I challenge my daughter to express her thoughts and opinions, global warming and the environment are our favorite subject of late. She enjoys the power to make me slaver and rant that the phrase “ooohh, the poor polar bears” envokes. I will not stand for her to simply spout sound bites, she has to come up with her own conclusions. It’s taken a couple years but she has found the evidence of algore’s hypocracy for herself.
It doesn’t require a philosopher to see through the lefts smoke screens but it does require independent thought.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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Neil Stevens Wednesday, July 1st at 2:22PM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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Any inauguration is historic
JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, July 1st at 5:15PM EDT (link)As long as the USA still shows the world what a peaceful transition of power is, it’s historic, and kids need to see this — and to realize how unique this is in the history of humankind.
Personally, the swearing in of Obama turned my stomach about as much as watching the twin towers fall did. But both were defining events of my life, albeit not in a good way. I’ll always remember both days, just as I will the day Kennedy was shot and Reagan was shot.
And God willing, I’ll get another day to remember — the day Obama is run out of the White House.
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson
Oops!
wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 12:31PM EDT (link)I meant “opinion” - line 2
Civil Truth..
wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 1:24PM EDT (link)Thanks! You are a voice of reason.
One of the initiation rites of the n00bs here
E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, July 1st at 5:26PM EDT (link)is remembering to use ‘Reply To This’.
We don’t see eye to eye, but welcome aboard. And expect to be kidded when you forget ‘Reply To This’.
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wordsarepower Wednesday, July 1st at 6:08PM EDT (link)it wouldn’t work.
Janis said it best when she said that I was just putting myself in my student’s shoes. Honestly, I was heartsick inside. I saw it coming but was still devastated when it actually happened. I guess I was still holding out hope that in the end he wouldn’t win.
I believe that we are living in the end times, and this election and what’s already resulted from it only strengthens my belief. We are in a downward spiral, circling the bowl if you will. I’m going to keep fighting, praying, and talking to everyone on RS. I can take criticism, so don’t be afraid to tell me how you really feel
lol
My experience in similar to yours Wordsarepower
kyle8 Wednesday, July 1st at 8:11PM EDT (link)I teach also, and I have not seen the almost insane caricature of the education system some conservatives paint.
I have seen some brainwashing, particularly with all the eco and recycling stuff. But nothing too overt.
Of course there is the caveat that I teach in Texas, which is very conservative in the first place.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Don't blame NCLB for kids not being able to read English
Finrod Thursday, July 2nd at 2:20PM EDT (link)If you have kids in your class that can’t read enough English to be able to pass a standardized test, whether or not English is their first or second language, then that means that your school system has failed them, not NCLB. NCLB is just the messenger. Do you think that those kids deserve a high school diploma when they don’t even have a working grasp of the English language? How are they going to be able to survive let alone thrive out in the real world without it? They’ll be stuck in a Spanish ghetto flipping burgers or doing day labor for the rest of their lives.
You should be directing your anger towards NCLB instead towards the primary schools in your system. They’re the ones that failed.
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According the the ESOL instructor...
wordsarepower Thursday, July 2nd at 4:38PM EDT (link)at my school, test language is different than language found in short stories, text books, etc. By that I mean that it doesn’t read/translate like other kinds of text. I worked very closely with this instructor trying to help my ESOL students succeed in my class. Most of them did pass, but I am required by law to make certain accommodations for them. They generally had easier work than the rest of the students. Is that fair? I don’t know.
And, fyi, in Florida students don’t receive a diploma if they can’t pass the state test.; they receive a certificate of completion.
I had a couple of ESOL students who probably will end up flipping burgers for the rest of their lives. They were in 10th grade and had only been in this country for a year or two. It’s tough on these kids, but those with the parental support and encouragement at home can and do succeed. And just like kids born and raised in the USA there are ESOL kids who just don’t care and don’t try.
Is everything wrong with NCLB? Of course not. All of the teachers I’ve met want their students to succeed, but because of NCLB teachers and schools feel pressure to move kids along even if they aren’t ready. Did I do that? No. I didn’t get called on the carpet because of it, but I’ve heard tell about teachers who get called in to the principal’s office to explain why so many students are failing. (It couldn’t possibly be the student’s fault :)) Then they are asked what they can do to change the situation! I would have an answer for her! I won’t pass kids on who can’t succeed at the next level. It might cost me my job, but I can live with that.