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Romney’s “That’s a nutty idea, Pierre” moment

The Social Security exchange between Romney and Perry in the debate tonight crystallizes the fault line in the Republican party: the play-it-safe establishment versus the conservative populist tell-it-like-it-is wings.

It reminded me of when in a 1987 debate, George HW Bush decided to call Pete DuPont’s idea of social security choice “a nutty idea”. “That’s a nutty idea Pierre” George said of DuPont’s plan to allow young people to opt out of social security.
From Nov 1987 New York times:

In Houston, Mr. Bush branded as a ”nutty idea” and ”dumb” the proposal by the former Delaware Governor to create an option to the Social Security System. Mr. du Pont contends such an optional retirement system is needed to assure that Social Security remains solvent in the 21st century and to assure benefits to the ”baby boom” generation now in its 30?s and 40?s.

”It’s not nutty, it’s not dumb, George,” Mr. du Pont has been declaring in recent days. ”It’s a way that young people can save for the future, it’s a way that Social Security can be saved and it’s one of those ideas that someone running for President ought to be putting forth to meet a real concern around the kitchen table for millions of American families across the country.”

Boy, George sure put THAT nut in his place, eh! Only 20 years later, his own son, George W Bush, stumbled trying to sell a reform package not too different from Pete DuPont’s ‘nutty idea’. The idea remains stillborn.

Since the time of Eisenhower, the Republicans have fought a half-hearted battle to fix or change what is at heart an old fashioned, out-of-step Ponzi Scheme. Social Security ‘works’ because anyone locked into a lifetime of taxes will demand their money ‘back’. And then some, if Congress is in the mood.

Attempts to fix this system have foundered because of Democrats demagoging the issue, cowardly politicians (like GHWB and Romney) and a populace stuck in a system that is unchangeable due to the weight of its own inertia and its demographic and actuarial scheme. The very Ponzi-ness of the scheme makes it hard to reform.

Romney tonight called this system a success, not a failure. Politically it is very successful, but economically, Romney should know better.

Just think how better off we might be if 20 years ago Pierre’s “nutty idea” of fixing social security was tried. We might not be in the terrible mess we are.

Here is what the Trustees of Social Security and Medicare are saying in 2011:

“Social Security expenditures exceeded the program’s non-interest income in 2010 for the first time since 1983.

“The financial conditions of the Social Security and Medicare programs remain challenging. Projected long-run program costs for both Medicare and Social Security are not sustainable under currently scheduled financing, and will require legislative modifications if disruptive consequences for beneficiaries and taxpayers are to be avoided.

“The long-run financial challenges facing Social Security and Medicare should be addressed soon.”

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/index.html

So, alas, not just Pete DuPont, but Rick Perry is right. The status quo is not acceptable. The Ponzi Scheme is edging closer to the abyss. If we do not make changes, and make them soon, the system will collapse and the effects will be wrenching – huge tax increases, lower benefits or both. Or worse. Look at Greece for the limits of govt debt and public sector burdens.

Romney has done far worse than Bush did in 1988. Not only is he actively opposing what is in fact a correct characterization (“Ponzi Scheme”) he doubled-down by calling the system sound AND implying casting doubts on the system would make Perry unelectable.

Romney adviser Stuart Stevens exulted over what he called a politically suicidal moment by Perry, emailing to POLITICO:

“He has lost. No federal candidate has ever won on the Perry program to kill Social Security. Never has. Never will.”

Romney has sent a very BAD signal catering to the liberal media – he will NOT have the guts to take on real Social Security reform. He has undercut GOP reform attempts. He will use phony Democrat talking points (“kill Social Security”) to attack those who will. It’s a reminder of Romney’s ad against the flat tax in the mid 1990s.

The bottom line is this: We have been waiting for a ‘conservative’ moment, where we could actually fix the serious problems of the liberal welfare state. In 1988, we blew it when we elected a non-conservative who failed to advance any real conservative agenda items and even broke his promise not to raise taxes. He became a one-termer.

In 2012, we have a HUGE mountain to climb, to reverse the worse 4 years in American governance since … a long time. We need bold conservative leaders who are willing to be bold enough to say the politically incorrect things and propose serious conservative reforms that will truly make a difference. Romney’s “That’s a nutty idea Pierre” moment was an indication that, on entitlements at least, he’ll stick to the pale pastels instead of the bold conservative colors.

To Counter Romney’s advisor: Romney has lost. No federal candidate has ever won on the Romney program to be another George HW Bush.

COMMENTS

  • lastgopinillinois

    on social security, calling it what it really is; a ponzi scheme, in one breath, and calling for reform in the next breath.
    As far back as the early seventies, I have been in favor of phasing out the system entirely which could be done in around 60 years or so.
    allowing people to “opt-out” (which I would have preferred to have had the ability to do when I first went into the work force) only prolongs the agony of keeping the failed system afloat longer.
    It seems like the issue is so toxic to much of the public (unless all that is manufactured soundbites I am hearing), it’s no wonder politicians run away from it.
    Congratulations to Perry for having the balls to call it what it is. I for one am sick of the distortion and political correctness.
    Now, lets RELOAD !

    • pttx333

      as he usually is. Though he appeared exhausted after traveling all over the state since he left SC to attend to all of the many fires here in Texas, he still did pretty well. He has been all over tv with the fire victims, doing fly-overs, etc. then flew to CA today.

      He does stand up and tell it like it is. And the Rick Perry that I know is the one who looked right at the moronic moderators and explained how it works with executions in Texas and why. Even here at home all by myself, I stood up and cheered. What you see is what you get – he does have the cajones.

      RELOAD, indeed!

      • onemovoter

        By using a term that gets people talking and mostly agreeing with the statement. Even democrats and liberals are now reluctantly agreeing that it’s true that SS is a ponzi scheme.

        Once you get a majority of people agreeing with you, it’s no longer a negative liability, but a positive strength on the SS issue. That is how a true leader is. That is why the political elites will always get it wrong. They think they are leading when in truth they are just following the pack. When the pack is lead by a leader, they will find themselves wrong on what the pack wants, when it ends up being what the leader wants.

        I think the Washington Post wrote an article on Perry today saying that he has a natural ability to lead by finding the right people to do a job and letting them do it. Reagan was the same way, which gives me high hopes that Perry will be a good president like Reagan was.

        • pttx333

          Perry is a LEADER, natural born. Nothing contrived, and it shows. I was telling rightwingmom earlier that if anyone wants to know more about Perry, just point them to Gus in “Lonesome Dove” brilliantly portrayed by Robert Duval. I know probably the whole world has seen “Lonesome Dove” and what a hero Gus was. All of the men and women (even the feminist types) loved Gus. That is Rick Perry – a man’s man who will take no prisoners but still come out with the white hat at the end.

          I am retired and on SS, but I absolutely agree with the the ponzi scheme description – that is all it is. I paid into it for years and years only because it was mandatory and there was no other choice. He needs to stick to his guns on this one, and I believe that he will. The dems can just get over themselves. I believe that millions of people, yes millions, have now realized that the dems will lie, steal, or whatever to gain more power and feather their own nests.

          I can’t believe the WaPo had a positive article about Perry! Natural-born leaders do exactly what their article said, and that is what Perry does. When did all of this micro-managing begin anyway? But like you, I do believe we have another Reagan in the wings, and whoever doesn’t like it can get the he!! out of the way!

          Thanks for the info!

          • onemovoter

            Via HotAir who wrote up their own take on it all. Very good stuff.

            http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/07/that-perry-sure-acts-like-a-leader-says-the-washington-post/

            That Perry sure acts like a leader says the Washington Post

          • pttx333

            I’m absolutely stunned that such a column would be in the WaPo, but I’m happy about it. Obviously, whether they want to or not, they see what I see, what you see, and that is that Perry is a gifted LEADER.

            I was reading a few of the comments below the article, and one sticks out in my mind. Some of those trolls are hilarious without intending to be. She said: “Perry is petty.” Isn’t that just brilliant? Really a classic argument to sway people. LOL

            Thanks for the link, it made the rest of the day for me!

  • lastgopinillinois

    Newt for his defense of all HIS contenders on the stage. What a Class-Act he can be. And he never hesitates or fumbles for the right words.
    If ONLY he hadnt devolved into such a moderate.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    I seem to recall this exchange. DuPont was my guy back then. Awesome, awesome reportage on this. Kudos!

  • chbroussard

    benefits those who get in at the top. The later entries are the ones that better beware, Same case with Social Security. When there are fewer people putting money in than there are taking it out, somewhere down the road the money is going to run out, and we’re already pretty close to the end of that road. I hope that there are other seniors out there like me who realize that Gov. Perry was speaking the cold, hard truth and not fall for the scare tactics.

  • perry4prez

    This is why I am so angry at George W Bush. We all thought he was going to be a true conservative and would STOP THE SPENDING but instead he created more entitlements. The Federal Government should not be in the business of passing unconstitutional programs. All states should be able to opt out of any social programs including social security. Individual counties used to be allowed to opt out of social security until the practice was halted in violation of the 10th Amendment. Better still would be not passing the programs in the first place.

    • olsmithie

      that my biggest reservation when Geo 43 was running was that he was Geo 41′s son.

      Regards

  • RealQuiet

    I thought this was the defining moment of the debate and it could be that Mitt Romney and his campaign might have really shot themselves in the foot. Senator Johnson of Wisconsin in his campaign with Russ Finegold actually ran a response ad to Russ Finegold’s social security attacks this past election. His response? Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, the government has wasted trillions of your dollars and there is no more money. The voters chose Johnson by a solid margin and booted Finegold out in a reliably blue state.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    That to me is telling. He is bathed in the establishment conventional wisdom on this.

    Sure, the Democrat gain some advantage at the margins by medi-scaring etc. But they have run that play SO MANY TIMES that most people KNOW the score. They want the honesty not the BS. And we know we HAVE TO FIX IT.

    Thanks for endorsing the diary.

  • mine

    Let’s see how the seniors react before concluding it was Romney who was the fool. I will be interested in reading these posts if Perry has to backtrack. I can see a lot of “clarification” coming on this.

    I had to laugh at Romney’s line that Perry claim to be responsible for the jobs in Texas is like Gore claiming to have invented the internet. Governments don’t make jobs (except bureacrats), they stand in the way of business creating jobs.

    I think it is now a Romney and Perry race now. I think that is a shame because my favorites are Bachman and Cain. But I’m happy with all the candidates. All would make an excellent President especially in comparison to that donkey Obama.

  • Matthew Morris

    That to me is telling. He is bathed in the establishment conventional wisdom on this.

    That, or he is willing to throw Perry under the SocSecurity Bus because it can be his killer issue to win with (since this issue the media will help him with)

    Nevermind the seriousness of the issue. Or the matter of integrity. Or principles. Or convictions.

    What’s funny is, this moment/exchange caught me by surprise. The fact that he was taking the line of the Ruling Class was pretty sickening. I guess like they say, “You never know what you’re gonna get with Mitt!”

  • onemovoter

    Perry can even bring up the 3 counties that went private before congress closed the loophole in 1983 because word was getting out and EVERYONE in the US would have scrambled to do the same thing.

    If I remember right, didn’t congress have to “fix” SS by raising the SS % up a lot? I know there were several times during the 80′s that they had to do that.

    I also think Perry at some point could say that if politicians moved the eligible retire date for SS to an age closer to “life expectancy” that people will be getting barely anything before they croak, just like it was when SS started.

    End the end I think this could play to both young people and older ones concerned about their “grandkids”.

  • silentcal2012

    What others are saying:

    Bachmann lauds senior safety net:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/09/bachmann-lauds-seniors-safety-net/

    The ideas man Newt tells Perry SS is a fact:

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/09/7690442-gingrich-knocks-perry-says-social-security-is-a-fact?ocid=twitter

    Rudy says Perry should have explained himself better:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63111.html

    Palin says there is no need to frighten people:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/10/sarah-palin-rick-perry_n_956811.html