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Rick Santorum: Yes, he is a true conservative

I’ve found myself defending Santorum from the claims that Santorum is some phony conservative – a ‘neo-con’ and a ‘big Government conservative’ – and in the process of researching found that, not only is Rick Santorum the conservative I believed he was, but that he has fiscal and economic bona fides that should make small-Government conservatives quite willing to support him.

Part of the attacks on Santorum, by making Santorum part of some Bushian plot to spending wildly, sadly repeats the Democrat talking points by blaming Bush for “the huge debt our nation now faces” as if somehow Bush was the worst drunken sailor of spending, ignoring the fact that Democrats created the last $5 TRILLION in new debt since 2006 (after Santorum left office, btw).

If we want to vet Santorum for real and not just throw talking points … let’s go to the record. The record will show that Santorum was and is a solid, mainstream conservative Congressman and Senator. In the 1990s, Santorum was a part of the Gingrich-led Congress that balanced the budget. And in 2002 to 2006 the budget deficit went to $250 billion – high but nothing like the level under Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Claims that Santorum is a big-government conservative are simply contrary to his full record and his conservative agenda as a candidate for President, where he wants to repeal Obamacare, cap spending at 18% and follow the Ryan roadmap and pass the BBA.

One source is Club for Growth, who give excellent summaries of where candidate stand and how they acted on economic and fiscal issues. Key points on Santorum:

Santorum has consistently supported broad-based tax cuts and opposed tax increases either by sponsoring key legislation or by casting votes on relevant bills.  Some high profile votes include:

  • Voted NO on the Clinton tax hike in 1993
  • Voted YES on the capital gains tax cut in 1997
  • Voted NO on a cigarette tax hike in 1998
  • Voted YES on repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax in 1999
  • Voted YES on the 2001 Bush tax cuts
  • Voted YES to repeal the Death Tax in 2002
  • Voted YES to the 2003 Bush tax cuts
  • Voted YES to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2006

On spending:

On spending, Santorum has a mixed record and showed clear signs of varying his votes based on the election calendar.  In the 1990s, when he was only a freshman Senator, he was a leading author on the bill that completely overhauled the country’s welfare system.   He also voted for the Freedom to Farm Act in 1996 that started the process of ending direct farm subsidies.   When Congress decided that it couldn’t live up to that promise, it voted to re-establish the subsidies in 2002 with the Farm Security Act, a bill that Santorum rightly opposed.   He also voted for a balanced budget amendment and a line-item veto in 1995.

More recently, when he was out of Congress, Santorum opposed TARP , the stimulus , the auto bailout, and the Fannie-Freddie bailout.

Club for Growth notes he deviations and issues on big-spending ticket items under Bush, including No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D, which Bush got most Congressional Republicans to support. They note his solid support for school choice, for Social Security entitlement reform, and some ‘mixed bag’ items in regulations: He voted NO on the oppressive McCain-Feingold bill in 2002. They also note with interest this:

One of those exceptions came in 2009, in the special election for Congress in New York’s 23rd district.  Santorum was the second high profile potential presidential candidate (Sarah Palin was the first) to endorse Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over liberal Republican Dede Scozzafava.  This showed leadership for the limited government cause because of the timing of the endorsement, coming before establishment Republicans had figured out that Scozzafava was a losing candidate.

This is interesting because Newt Gingrich went a different way and endorsed the non-conservative Scozzafava. Club for Growth summarizes thusly:

On the whole, Rick Santorum’s record on economic issues in the U.S. Senate was above average.  More precisely, it was quite strong in some areas and quite weak in others.  He has a strong record on taxes, and his leadership on welfare reform and Social Security was exemplary.  But his record also contains several very weak spots, including his active support of wasteful spending earmarks, his penchant for trade protectionism, and his willingness to support large government expansions like the Medicare prescription drug bill and the 2005 Highway Bill.

I would add that the deviations from conservative positions were consistent with supporting his consituents interests.

Another source is VoteSmart. It shows a 100% prolife position. His National Taxpayer rating is 76%. ACU ratings in the 80-90% range.Some other positions:

2006 FreedomWorks – Positions 83%
2005 Americans for Tax Reform – Positions 95%
2005 FreedomWorks – Positions 63%
2005 National Taxpayers Union – Positions 69%
2004 Americans for Tax Reform – Positions 95%
2004 American Shareholders Association – Positions 90%
2004 National Taxpayers Union – Positions 83%

Here are his ratings from when he was in Congress:

American Conservative Union — 88%
National Right to Life Committee — 100%
Americans for Tax Reform — 95%
National Tax Limitation Committee — 92%
U.S. Chamber of Commerce — 88%
League of Private Property Voters — 94%

Now remember, this is Santorum’s House ratings, in a DEMOCRAT district. How many Republicans in Democrat areas vote this conservative? Kirk? Snowe?  That’s conviction!  Santorum is NOT a ‘big government conservative’ but an across-the-board mainstream conservative with a solidly conservative voting record, albeit marred with the support for earmarks and some spending bills that many Republicans in Bush eara fell prey to.

Yet another source that looks at Santorum’s record is Jen Rubin, who likewise absolves Santorum of the phony claim that he is a big-government conservative:

“While in Iowa, Texas Gov. Rick Perry tried to begin a line of attack on Rick Santorum claiming that the former Pennsylvania senator is a big-government conservative. That attack seems poorly thought through (shocking, I know from such a meticulous campaign) for several reasons.

First, Santorum is to the right of Perry in some important ways. Santorum opposed the Troubled Assets Relief Program; Perry wrote a letter on the day of the Senate vote urging Congress to pass legislation to avert a meltdown. Santorum, as we saw in the debates, is likewise to the right of Perry (and Newt Gingrich, for that matter) on immigration.

Indeed, Santorum’s supposed deviations from conservative orthodoxy are similar those of his rivals. He voted for earmarks and highway funds. Gov. Perry took the money. Santorum voted for Medicare Part D; Gingrich lobbied for it, and Perry said in a debate that he wouldn’t repeal it.”

“And finally, Santorum has put together an aggressive spending reduction plan. He’s for the balanced-budget amendment. He’s embraced Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare reform plan. He’s in favor of Social Security reform, against energy subsidies, for privatizing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and in favor of repealing Obamacare. The guy is no liberal when it comes to spending taxpayer money. Is he to the right of Gingrich? Yes. To the left of Ron Paul? Yes. But so are most GOP voters.”

 

Where Santorum deviated from the conservative line, like his vote on NAFTA and his support for earmarks, he was doing the exceptional thing, and  those deviations were in most cases catering to his constituents. But UNLIKE most Northeast Republicans, that ‘catering’ did not extend to abandoning conservative principles again and again. They’ve been the exception to the rule that Congressman and Senator Rick Santorum held. With his support for lower taxes, prolife and profamily policies, conservative Judges, for balanced budgets and entitlement reform, against McCain-Feingold, for school choice, against TARP and Frank-Dodd.  Rick Santorum has  had a solid and mostly consistent conservative voting record.

Santorum further has a solid and conservative agenda for President. Romney timidly talks of getting spending maybe down to 20% of GDP. Rick Santorum fully supports the Republican balanced budget amendment that caps spending at 18% of GDP. He wants lower tax rates for all, going to a 10%/28% two tier tax rate and lowering corporate tax rates.

While Gingrich criticized the Ryan roadmap, Santorum embraced it. Newt supported Medicare Part D, supported at one time healthcare mandates, and supported all the Bush programs that conservatives object to in Santorum’s voting record.  Romney has gone further of course, embracing not just TARP, but healthcare mandates and failing to even fully criticize the Obama stimulus spending.  Only Gingrich or Santorum will wage a campaign that fully challenges Obama’s whole agenda and actually works to repeal it. Newt has pegged Mitt Romney rightly as a Massachusetts moderate, but Newt is not without flys in his ointment either, from global warming to embracing Hillary, Pelosi and Al Sharpton (!) at various times in attempts to ‘reach across’ bipartisanly.

The bottom line is that between Newt, Santorum, and Romney .. Santorum is the one who is most fiscally conservative and who will have the most fiscally conservative administration as President.

Both Newt and Santorum are conservative. Just not perfect conservatives. For those who say that Santorum is not a ‘true conservative’, I would argue simply that if an 85% ACU rating and leadership on conservative issues in Congress for almost 2 decades is not enough, you will NEVER find a ‘true conservative’ in the Presidential field.

For the rest of us without that fine a filter, yes, Rick Santorum is a ‘true conservative’. Conservatives will be happy with his SCOTUS picks, his support of our military, his support for life, his tax reform and entitlement reforms, his pro-energy policies, his economic growth agenda, his fiscally responsible budgets, and his appeal to get America working again.

COMMENTS

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Here’s what I found on Santorum’s budget plans …

    As part of his 2012 spending and economic plan, Senator Santorum proposed a balanced budget with a spending cap, a reduction in non-defense spending, and a spending level freeze.

    Commit to cut $5 trillion of federal spending within 5 years.
    Implement Strong America Now reform through Lean Six Sigma management process as a key engine for cutting government waste and improving efficiency.
    Immediately reduce federal (non-defense discretionary spending) to 2008 levels through across the board spending cuts.
    Freeze defense spending levels for 5 years and reject automatic cuts.
    Freeze spending levels for social programs for 5 years such as Medicaid, Housing, Education, Job Training, and Food Stamps, time limit restrictions, and block grant to the States like in Welfare Reform.
    Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution capping government spending at 18% of GDP so that Congress and the President will need to balance the budget like Governors are required to do.

    • aesthete

      Right now, government spending hovers around ~21-22% of our GDP. If Rick Santorum wants to freeze spending on our social programs, increase spending on defense, get us into a war with Iran, and has no apparent intention of cutting non-discretionary spending beyond the typical canard of “cutting waste, fraud, and abuse” (heh), then the likelyhood of achieving an 18% GDP budget under Santorum is about as likely as Atlantis re-emerging from the sea in 2012.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        in FY 2011. Rick Santorum wants to cut it to 18% of GDP and supports the cut, cap and balance plan to get there. This is a dramatic shrinkage in government’s burden. Contrary to your assertions that he only wants a freeze, Santorum’s proposal to roll back domestic distretionary 2008 levels would cut hundreds of billions in excess spending that Obama and Pelosi created.
        Santorum wants to turn Medicaid from an entitlement back to a state block grant.

        Santorum wants to AVOID a war with Iran, which is why he wants to stop them from getting nukes BEFORE they threaten war.

        We know this much, Romney wont even ATTEMPT to cut government this much, but instead touted much tinier cuts.

        • aesthete

          beyond that Santorum is a moron if he thinks he can freeze/increase the relevant 80% of government responsible for the deficit, and get an 18% GDP budget. Well, either that or he thinks his erstwhile supporters are. (BTW, ~21-22% is for normal times; 25% is factoring in TARP and some other one-time spending. Still, I guess if you’re going with 25% as your baseline, cutting spending to 18% is even more of an impossibility.)

          As far as Iran goes, Santorum has specifically stated that he would bomb the country, and that if that didn’t work, he would invade. That sounds like war to me.

          • aesthete

            How in Hades does Santorum get to 2008 discretionary spending levels without reducing outlays for entitlements — something he’s promised he won’t do? See, we didn’t *have* an 18% GDP budget in 2008, and our population since then has gotten bigger, older, and poorer — recession accounts for the last one. Our GDP has had horrible growth over the course of the Obama Presidency, so you can’t expect GDP increases to pick up the slack there. You *also* won’t get a balanced budget even with 18% GDP; not with this economy — I dunno if Santorum has noticed, but our tax receipts over these years have been 15-16% GDP, not 18%. Oops. Santorum is just engaging in shameless pandering; throwing a number up in the air with absolutely no backing in real life or what he proposes in his campaign, and hoping that it will stick.

            While I’m in a curmudgeonly mood, I’d like to say that the “rolling back discretionary spending to 2008″ crap is one of the most patently partisan and offensive moronic talking points I’ve seen in a while, as it assumes that 1) spending and trends in 2008 (Bush’s last year) were sustainable, and that our population and demographics are the same then as they are now.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            1. “How in Hades does Santorum get to 2008 discretionary spending levels without reducing outlays for entitlements” discretionary is a separate bucket from ‘entitlements’, thats how. So a cut to discretionary and a ‘freeze’ on entitlements are consistent and consistent with deficit cutting. Discretionary spending under Obama zoomed to over $1.2 TRILLION and is the main reason for high current deficits. Longer term, the main reason for outyear deficits will be entitlements. Solution: cut discretionary spending NOW, It is no hard to find literally hundreds of billions to cut. JUST CUT ALL THE SPENDING OBAMA ADDED. sencod step: freeze the entitlement spending growth so it doesnt swallow the whole budget in the next 10 years.
            2. “I?d like to say that the ?rolling back discretionary spending to 2008? crap is one of the most patently partisan and offensive moronic talking points” Actually rolling back to 2008 is a brilliant proposal and one some Congressional conservatives were pushing until rolled by leadership precisely BECAUSE it is real spending cuts but acheivable ones. Bush’s last year the spending was $2.5 trillion, under Obama it went up to $3.7 trillion. If you want to believe all the added spending done by Obama CANT be cut back, then your complaints are pointless, you are simply asserting we cant do cap, cap and balance and the rest of conservative agenda. The rollback to 2008 levels was first proposed by Rep Jordan and the RSC:

            http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/20/house-gop-conservatives-set-to-unveil-2-5-trillion-in-deep-spending-cuts/
            “ordan?s bill, which will have a companion bill introduced in the Senate by Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican, would impose deep and broad cuts across the federal government. It includes both budget-wide cuts on non-defense discretionary spending back to 2006 levels and proposes the elimination or drastic reduction of more than 50 government programs.

            3. Since entitlement spending is growing near double digits, even a ‘freeze’ will cut into the projected deficit by hundreds of billions. this happens in the out years … AND IS PRECISELY IN THE RYAN ROADMAP THAT SANTORUM ENDORSES.

            4. “I dunno if Santorum has noticed, but our tax receipts over these years have been 15-16% GDP, not 18%. Oops.” No oops. There has been no GOP plan – not Ron Paul, nobody, with a more aggressive spending cut plan than getting to 18%/GDP ASAP. Nobody is saying cut to 15% of GDP right away. Since current spending is 25% of GDP, that means a near 10% of GDP deficit today. ITS ONE REASON WHY WE CANNOT ACCEPT ROMNEY’S TIMID GOALS of getting to 20% of GDP ‘over time’… a 3% santorum deficit is better than a 5% Romney deficit is better than a 10% Obama deficit. Growth the economy by 20% and you can close the gap simply by freezing spending. we need to be more aggressive in cutting spending. Santorum is.

            Your critique of Santorum is really a critique of the Cut, Cap and Balance plan, attacks on conservative GOP Congressional proposals that mirror what Santorum proposes, and mocks the whole idea of achieving bold fiscally conservative goals. As such, you are arguing not against Santorum but against fiscal conservatism in Congress as a whole. your way off-base.

          • aesthete

            1) Yeah, like I said, what does Rick Santorum want to cut? Last I heard, he was defending every federal outlay under the Sun, from foreign aid to ethanol subsidies. Rand Paul’s plan for discretionary (by far the most radical one presented) only cuts a little under 50% of non-discretionary spending. It was strongly opposed by Santorum. 1/2 of 20% is 10%, and Rick ain’t gonna meet that mark, if Rand Paul didn’t. ~60% of discretionary spending is defense-based, which Santorum already pledged he wouldn’t cut and which he will probably increase, given public statements about China and Iran. The other half is the stuff that, when asked specifically about, Santorum has largely stated support for, or averred on (see subsidies and foreign aid). Again, the population is older, larger, and poorer: much of our discretionary spending is proportional to these variables. Considering that this promise is coming from one of the bigger spenders and most unrepentant voices for “compassionate conservatism” over the past few years, rather than someone with credibility (like DeMint), I’m doubtful.

            2) It’s offensive because it’s a weak talking point that is easily rebutted by noting that lots of discretionary military spending from the Iraq War that wasn’t counted as such was added to the discretionary budget in 2009, and because the bulk of the increase in 2009 was due to TARP. IOW, most of the discretionary increase from 80-09 is due to actions from the Bush administration. I hope I don’t have to explain why it’d be stupid to have a talking point designed to extoll Republican prudence be demolished by what is seen by many as its worst departure from same.

            It’s stupid because it’s arbitrary — the course we were on in 2008 was reckless and unsustainable, and there was nothing particularly important or impressive about fiscal sanity in that year. It’s about as important from a budgetary standpoint as basing our spending on what happened during the Year of the Dragon.

            3) Actually, you’re wrong: the Ryan Roadmap proposes a 5-year freeze to non-defense discretionary spending, not to any of the major entitlements. Indeed, no reform promises less spending on entitlements in the coming years: only a reduction of the unsustainable growth in same. I grok that Rick Santorum’s not, either, but if there aren’t enough cuts to discretionary (and there won’t be), and he already promised that the military won’t see cuts, then the general “spending freeze” will have to take its toll on entitlements. Not. Going. To. Happen. Even those Heritage or Cato approved reforms that conservatives love (privatization, HSAs, etc) do not promise steady spending from year to year; rather, they promise slower growth.

            4) “Oops” because 18% GDP budgets coupled with a balanced budget amendment means that somewhere along the way, revenues will need to be reconciled with them expenditures. One of two things happens: either we will, in fact, be forced to spend less than 18% GDP due to the amendment (highly doubtful), or it’s just one more part of the Constitution that Rick Santorum uses to wipe his nether-regions with. It’s not like anyone but those icky conservatives and libertarians will complain (and even the “reasonable” among those will find some way to justify it). “Oops” in this context is the noise that happens when an immovable revenue stream meets an unstoppable budget. I would ask *which* version of the BBA Santorum supports, but it’s really irrelevant, as I’ve shown above.

          • JSobieski

            We reinforce that paradigm shift by eliminating redunancies and exploiting revenue synergies . . . and we can also ask Santa for a really large present!

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            #1 “Last I heard, he was defending every federal outlay under the Sun” baloney .Look at his healthcare plans for 1. Repeal Obamacare alone is over $1 trillion in spending in 10 years. When Santorum says “Commit to cut $5 trillion of federal spending within 5 years.” he means it because he just has to dust off GOP Congressional plans that Obama refused to go along with, and Santorum has endorsed those plans. He likely would take a lot of Rand Pauls ideas, Tom Coburn’s ideas, and the RSC budget ideas to get to $5 trillion.

            As for specifics, you are just WRONG – from his website:
            “Freeze pay for non-defense related federal employees for four years, cut workforce by 10% with no compensatory increase in contract workforce, and phase out defined benefit plans for newer workers.
            Eliminate all energy subsidies and most agriculture subsidies within four years.
            Eliminate funding for Planned Parenthood and use half of the dollars to support adoption instead.
            Cut EPA resources for job killing regulations and return focus to commonsense conservation and safe and clean air and water.
            Cut in half the number of State Department USAID employees and US funding for United Nations programs.
            Eliminate funding for implementation of Dodd/Frank regulatory burdens.
            Eliminate funding for implementation of ObamaCare.
            Cut funding for National Labor Relations Board for decision preventing airplane factory in South Carolina.
            Eliminating funding for United Nations? agencies which oppose America?s interests and promote abortion and cut the US contribution to the UN in half.
            Phase out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac within five years.
            “Sell unproductive and wasteful federal properties.
            Transition Team will review all spending cut proposals and restructuring reforms of the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute, and the Simpson-Bowles Commission for additional savings.”
            http://www.ricksantorum.com/spending-cuts-and-entitlements-reform

            #2 – Wrong. TARP spending was temporary and the stimulus was supposed to be the same but the Democrats turned it into a permanent increase. So why cant we rollback the $300 billion in additional domestic discretionary spending and spending Obama re-allocated as ‘entitlements to hide even more discretionary spending (and lock it in)? The proposals have been made and scored via RSC budget proposals. Total 2012 spending is fully a trillion higher than 2008 levels. And dont make DoD the scapegoat, DoD spending is likely going down by $1 trillion in next 10 years according to the ‘scores’, with real troop reductions and real
            #3 – “Indeed, no reform promises less spending on entitlements in the coming years:” Now you are arguing a strawman. I told you already that ‘freeze’ was the most anybody was doing on entitlements, and that is ‘enough’ to eventually get control of it – its the high growth in it that will kill us. So what’s your point? Santorum isnt proposing spending cuts that nobody else is proposing either. What he did in 2005 was support SocSec reform and what he IS doing now is supporting the most free market oriented healthcare reform.
            #4 – Wrong. We can do the math, 18% is higher than 15%, ok, but BBA implementation is phased in over time, and if you get to 18% and keep govt spending below economic growht, you get a path to balance over time.
            Which BBA? “Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution capping government spending at 18% of GDP so that Congress and the President will need to balance the budget like Governors are required to do.”
            NB. it CAPS spending at 18%, but doesnt prevent it going below that level, if needed for balance.

          • mikeymike143

            The alliance of tea partiers and social conservatives will make Rick Santorum the GOP presidential nominee. Both groups overwhelmingly support Santorum. And new polling in South Carolina and Florida backs that up.

            http://libertynews.com/2012/01/06/breaking-rick-santorum-dominates-tea-party-vote/

            Grassfire Nation, the parent company of Liberty News and the Patriot Action Network, conducted a survey with tea party voters in Florida and South Carolina.

            The top three candidates were:

            SOUTH CAROLINA

            1. Rick Santorum ? 46%
            2. Newt Gingrich ? 23.6%
            3. Mitt Romney ? 12.6%

            FLORIDA

            1. Rick Santorum ? 42%
            2. Newt Gingrich ? 26.3%
            3. Mitt Romney ? 15.2%

            The Grassfire Nation press release makes some interesting points.

            ?These results show that Santorum?s Iowa win is already having huge ramifications and has re-shaped the GOP presidential race,? says Steve Elliott of Grassfire Nation, which conducted the poll by surveying its members in these two states between January 4-5. ?If these results hold, Romney will not be able to consolidate conservative support and Santorum will likely be the clear ?anti-Romney? candidate in a two-man race coming out of South Carolina and Florida,? says Elliott.

            Other findings:

            Nutjob Ron Paul overwhelmingly wins the tea party vote for ?least favorite? candidate (41% in SC, 47% FL).

            The survey is statistically valid for the specific audience of Grassfire Nation team members in South Carolina and Florida. More than 92% of those surveyed said they are ?actively part of? or ?identify closely with? the Tea Party movement, making this survey an excellent measure of Tea Party support.

            http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2012/01/06/new-polling-for-south-carolina-and-florida-shows-that-rick-santorum-overwhemingly-has-the-support-of-tea-party-voters/

          • aesthete

            1) Bullcrap. If Santorum wouldn’t even attempt to do any of that stuff as Senator, what makes you think he’ll act any differently if he’s President? Santorum was a great friend to the ethanol folks, and an able participant in restoring ag subsidies to their operational capacity during the Bush years. He was also one of the greatest proponents of both foreign aid in general and aid in Africa in specific back when compassionate conservatism was in the upswing. That’s half of the list you cited. Besides cutting Planned Parenthood and (maybe) EPA defunding, I don’t see any precedent in Santorum’s record for the rest.

            2) If/when that DoD reduction happens, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. In the real world, those expenditures have been going up, and probably will continue that trend under a Santorum administration — given his goals and criticism of said decrease in DoD spending. As to TARP increase being made the new normal under Dems… that’s true, but it’s immaterial to my point that it’s bad politics, and that there was nothing particularly special about 2008 as a year, such that emphasis should be made to meet that benchmark as opposed to others. (This isn’t really a critique of Santorum; just a general complaint about that bit of gimmickry.)

            3) You failed to quote the relevant part of my missive: the *fact* that all current plans for reform of major entitlements still entail an *increase*, rather than a *freeze*, on entitlement spending. This makes Santorum’s promise to maintain a spending freeze highly improbable even under the best of circumstances and most committed of Presidents; under a President with a spending record as chequered as Santorum’s, it’s pretty much an impossibility (even assuming good faith on his part).

            4) There are several BBAs, all with different exemptions and caveats. Most have exemptions for national defense (understandable), but some others have exemptions for anticipated low growth in GDP, entitlements, and others. Most do not have enforcement mechanisms when a balanced budget is not proferred or adhered to. Given enough caveats and exemptions, a BBA becomes as useful for the purposes of controlling spending as a chastity belt lying dormant in a whorehouse. I have no idea what type of BBA Santorum endorses, but I suspect it would be one of the more toothless proposals, given the constraints I noted above.

          • JSobieski

            it was quite timid. For some reason, people emphasized how “cuts” were phony in Boehner 1.0 and 2.0 without realizing that the same phony definition of cuts was in CCB. A true freeze in spending would be scored as more than $6T in cuts, while still adding lots to our debt.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Agree that we could do more – for example, Coburn’s $9 billion, the RSC budget and some others. Cut Cap and Balance was the compromise House GOP position. But Cut Cap and Balance is bold enough to get 80% of GOP House on board, alas, TOO bold for wimpy Senate GOP. It’s bold enough to cut the deficit by more than half and take us on a path to a government back to 18% of GDP.

            I would argue that ‘timid’ is relative. If you want timid look at what we ended up doing, a lame super-committee that did nothing and now we have a nothing-burger in 2012 spending and a totally missed oppty. Cut Cap and Balance would be monumentally better.

            My point wrt Santorum is that Santorum’s proposal are as bold and bolder than anyone else running for President. The critique has been that Santorum is a big spender, and my rebuttal is not that he is perfect but that his record and his proposals are definitely to the right of Romney, more fiscally conservative on spending and taxes than Romney, and at least as bold as what Gingrich and others (Huntsman, Perry etc.) are putting forward.

            Sure we could cut more in spending, but I havent seen more in the way of specific spending cuts from other candidates.

            (Btw, any ‘cut’ will be ‘phony’ because it is off the Obama massive spending baseline, but understand that those cuts are real enough in the sense that if obama was reelected and got a Democrat Congress back, yes we WOULD be spending $45 trillion in the next 10 years.

            Also, you are correct that a 10-year plan that ‘cuts spending’ will still add to our debt, but Obama has dug us such a big hole that we cannot climb out in a single year; its not politically feasible.

          • JSobieski

            In the context of CCB, the issue of “cuts” vs. cuts was never brought up.

            But in the context of Boehner 1.0 and 2.0, it was.

            This served to exaggerate the differences between CCN and Boehner 2.0.

            Not sure if CCB was worth a shutdown.

          • thirstyboots

            Even some democrats are willing to vote for Cut Cap and Balance. It’s very easy to support CCB because there is no express commitment to real, explicit, cuts.

            It’s very easy to support cuts in abstract, like CCB does. It’s like supporting cuts on “abuse and waste”.

            What’s really tough is to propose concrete cuts, in concrete programs. Because that’s when a political price starts being paid.

  • Michael_Corleone

    Seriously – do you really think another inarticulate Texan has a chance to win the White House so soon after another inarticulate Texan just left?

    Please, I implore you, go to cspan and watch a Santorum campaign event. You will leave inspired. Perry has no ability to connect the way Santorum does. And I am in no mood to defend another Republican candidate who can’t speak — ig you want Republicans to be taken seriously, we need to put up someone you can communicate his ideas in a persuasive manner.

    Also, we need to think strategy. Obama will only lose this election if working class whites abandon him in numbers similar to 2010. Who do you think best attracts these Rust Belt voters – a corporate executive from Masachusetts, a Texas governor, or a former PA Senator from a working class steel town?

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      I care little for the slick talking people if they still cannot convince me they would do something to change Washington. Santorum is not the guy most think he is, and we are about to see what the early states feel about the real Santorum.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      So you would rather an “articulate” ex senator who really never was conservative on many issues, to a supposedly inarticulate very successful and very conservative governor?

      By the way I put articulate in quotes because Perry gives great speeches and is great on one on one interviews.

      I suppose if all you care about are sound bites you might be fooled into thinking Santorum has anything to offer.

      You say that he comes from a working class steel town, well that is one strike against him, he has already shown a hostility to free trade.

      Free trade is about the only good thing we have left in our economy. If you want to see it really go into another great depression, then lets start a trade war.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        “Please, I implore you, go to cspan and watch a Santorum campaign event. You will leave inspired.”

        How is this ‘insipid’?

        Fact is, we have several candidates who ARE conservative and who can articulate the conservative message. Santorum is one of them. Newt is another.

        Neither is without faults. But what is truly ‘insipid’ is attacking one viable conservatives in the race in hopes of getting back a candidate whose race is effectively over.

        Attack these guys and you will get … Romney.

        I pointed out Santorum’s record to debunk the baloney that Santorum has nothing to offer conservatives. Strong on taxes, life, judges, supports cut, cap and balance, and will go to work to reduce regs and get America back to work. I’m tired of the fallacy that because he has some votes and positions a conservative might disagree with, that it discounts his overall record. That fallacy leads us to brush aside good candidates (It’s one reason Perry fell to single digits, so its folly for Perry supporters to use that line of thinking.)

        And BTW, if you think growing up in a working class steel town is somehow a disqualifier, jeez, that is exactly the kind of background we need in a candidate to win Ohio, MI, WI, IN, PA, IL, MO etc. It will play a lot better than Romney’s 1% roots.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          I would rather someone who was poll driven than someone who was driven by an instinct to use the power of big government to push an agenda, even if it is a conservative one.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            To each his own, but this fallacious statement …

            “an instinct to use the power of big government to push an agenda, even if it is a conservative one.” …

            aside from being akin to Newt’s anti-Ryan roadmap gaffe …

            begs the question of why you’d take the guy who supports state-level nanny-statist healthcare mandates over the guy who has the most free-market oriented healthcare policy proposals of the top 3 candidates…

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/01/06/is-rick-santorum-a-conservative-health-care-champion/

            You are letting biases cloud your judgement of Santorum, more harshly than his record and his platform as candidate.

            On the signature Obama policy blunder – Obamacare – we need a clear and bold contrast – not the guy who pioneered the Obamacare prototype, Romneycare.

            I dont see right-wing nannystatism in Santorum’s healthcare policies, I see a solution that gets us OUT of the mess of Govt over-involvement:

            http://www.ricksantorum.com/repeal-and-replace-obamacare-patient-centered-healthcare

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            mark my words, My instincts have rarely been wrong about a candidate. IF somehow Santorum were elected he would be like G W Bush all over again, but worse.

            If Romney is elected I can see him getting a big reduction in the growth of government because of his managerial experience and not doing anything too controversial or risky in the area of foreign policy or in trying to enact any sort of new big project.

            And that is exactly what we need right now, someone who will just manage and not try to do much of anything. I am sick and tired of crusaders on both sides, This left/right see-saw is killing us.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Iowa speech convinced me that Santorum is both more articulate and more conservative than GWB would be.

            My take is that Romney is the smarter version of GWB.

            Santorum is very different, because he is a genuine conservative – an ideologue even – in a way that the Bush clan never were. It’s the very reason the establishment like Romney over the rest. He’s a status quo guy. Yes, if you want a weathervane who will cave like a typical RINO at the first hint of pressure from the NYTimes editorial board, Romney’s your guy.

            Santorum has been taking the worst and most vile cr*p (literally) from the left for years. He hasnt crumpled. Santorum may do things you dont like now and then, but will stand firm for what he (and we ) believe in. That includes his signature point that this election is about freedom.

          • onemovoter

            belies your claim that Santorum is a rock steady conservative.

            “On spending, Santorum has a mixed record and showed clear signs of varying his votes based on the election calendar.” This is the hallmark of a politician to do what he has to in order to get re-elected. The problem Santorum had in his 2006 election bid, is that people couldn’t tell the difference between him and his Democratic opponent. That is why he lost in a landslide.

            The weather vane analogy applies to both Santorum and Romney. No thanks, we don’t need either.

            Here’s some other history to be mindful of. The only legislator to be elected to President is BHO. EVER. All of our previous Presidents have been either, Governors, military leaders, or once a long time business leader. So far we know how terrible a legislator has been.

            There are 3 running who are/have been governors. One is a one time loser from Mass. The other from Utah is running as a central leftist for some odd reason, and then a successful 3 term gov from Texas, the second largest state. Perry also happens to be the most compliant with the constitution compared to the others in his beliefs, as well as very conservative.

            Santorum was at the bottom until he bought the endorsement of a religious leader in Iowa, along with the false media narrative that brought on his boost in the polls. It wasn’t his campaigning that did it.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    but her that turned out oh so good now didn’t it. Santorum is a paid lobbyist as well; he made over a million last year lobbying. And how about Earmarks, how does he defend that, oh by saying that is what congress is supposed to do, That?s odd, that is what Nancy Pelosi would say, Do we have to now sit back and say we no longer get to be mad at Obama and Nancy for spending all that money, or are we different.

    I suspect Santorum got lucky in Iowa because he shot up before he could be vetted. Now he will be hit from every side, and he will not have the money to hit back. That is what will end Santorum.

    Plus, you will not win many people over to your way of thinking by insulting their positions in candidates. Perry supporters know all too well what Santorum has done, we are a informed bunch, and that is why we support Rick Perry, we know his record. Nice try though.

    My limited argument will be posted at noon tomorrow; it would be better or bring the debate there because I am to tire after a long night of homework, writing a paper on Judicial activism.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      As a Texan, I too know Perry’s record and would be fine with supporting him, if he was the alternative to Romney.

      At this point, Perry is at 4% nationally and will be 5th or 6th in NH. He’s not a viable candidate IMHO. If you want to wait until SC to get convinced of that, fine, but Santorum and Newt are remaining viable conservatives in the race and attacking them at this point is no different than disqualifying Perry over Gardasil, in-state illegal alien tuition etc. and only helps Romney.

    • quill67

      No, 90% is not enough. A conservative must agree with me 100% of the time and even though conservatives disagree about some issues 20% of the time, he must agree with all of us at the same time! So in those cases, he should support both positions! We need a 120% conservative!

      My point is no one is perfect. Pick the issues that are most important to you. For me it is national defense, health care, and immigration.

      Perry is strong on all three.
      Santorum is strong on all three.
      Gingrich is strong on all three.
      Romney is strong on two of three. (Healthcare is the deal killer for me)

      In fact, in terms of health care, I find myself the most in agreement with Santorum who advocates more direct paying for health care without government or third party payers.

      In terms of border, I agree more with Gingrich than Perry. Perry opposes a wall. Gingrich supports it but with reasonable process for those already here. A wall is important not because it will be 100% effective. Perry is correct that a 10 foot fence increases the business for 12 foot ladder companies. But it is an important symbol that we will not let our border go unguarded.

    • quill67

      No, 90% is not enough. A conservative must agree with me 100% of the time and even though conservatives disagree about some issues 20% of the time, he must agree with all of us at the same time! So in those cases, he should support both positions! We need a 120% conservative!

      My point is no one is perfect. Pick the issues that are most important to you. For me it is national defense, health care, and immigration.

      Perry is strong on all three.
      Santorum is strong on all three.
      Gingrich is strong on all three.
      Romney is strong on two of three. (Healthcare is the deal killer for me)

      In fact, in terms of health care, I find myself the most in agreement with Santorum who advocates more direct paying for health care without government or third party payers.

      In terms of border, I agree more with Gingrich than Perry. Perry opposes a wall. Gingrich supports it but with reasonable process for those already here. A wall is important not because it will be 100% effective. Perry is correct that a 10 foot fence increases the business for 12 foot ladder companies. But it is an important symbol that we will not let our border go unguarded.

      • tngal

        Healthcare is certainly a biggee as is a strong defense. But, the immigration issue is my number one. Which is not to say abortion, gun rights, and other social issues are not important I’d like the full scope of the illegal immigration problem get addressed first. Not just the border control part of it. None of them are as strong on the illegal issue as I, but I believe Santorum is the strongest on that one. Bachmann always pushed for repeal of the healthcare law. Would still love to see that go away.

        At the start of this campaign season, I read an article which proclaimed social issues were not going to be a big factor this election. That’s bull. The only thing distinguishing us from democrats is where we stand on social issues. And where each republican candidate stands on a given social issue is what separates him from the pack.

        Still torn on our remaining candidates. Still miss Cain. (heh)

  • kamiller42

    It pulls just the best parts about Santorum from various sources and ignores the critical parts. For example, read Club for Growth’s entire report. It also avoid citing sites which are not so Santorum friendly, like Tax Foundation. Tax Foundation gives Santorum a D+, the lowest grade in the list of candidates.
    http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/27849.html

  • salj

    I don’t like his anti-christian values.

  • renny

    I do not entirely understand why Perry gotten less traction than Cain once did, and he has the most job-creation and executive experience to offer, but if Santorum can take the nomination from Mitt, I will support Santorum, although I know many in PA who do not view him favorably.

    The MSM is going to kill any conservative on religion: Mitt on Latter Day Saints (radical cult), Santorum (anti-abortion Catholic nut), yadda, so we may as well be prepared for the bloodbath.

  • ftedoy

    Is anyone familiar with the ranking system at http://www.voteview.com/is_john_kerry_a_liberal.htm ?

    Scroll down a couple paragraphs and you will see a list of rankings from liberal to conservative based on roll call votes of elected members of Congress.

    For reference, a few entries at the convservative end of the spectrum are:
    #2674 Rick Santorum score= .329
    #2893 Newt Gingrich score= .384
    #3243 Jim DeMint score= .559
    #3294 Jesse Helms score= .658
    #3310 Tom Coburn score= .744
    #3320 Ron Paul score= .882

    Amazingly, Ron Paul tops the list.
    I’ve had trouble drilling down to see how particular role call votes were weighted/scored.
    Please reply if anyone figures it out.